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12:15 AM
shame some that do have dangerous default values.
 
1:27 AM
Hello all. I'm making a DB searching site/program. I am comfortable with javascript, and made buttons that will build parts of a php request as javascript variables. I've read on stack overflow that I can use a hidden textbox to GET those to use in the request but it seems like a work around rather than the correct way to do it. What is the standard way to do this? Should I not be using javascript at all?
 
 
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Q: how to use dynamic where condition in eloquent laravel?

StaticVariableMy working code is $query = DB::table('order'); $fromorderdate = $request->get('fromorderdate') or ""; $toorderdate = $request->get('toorderdate') or ""; $fromdeliverydate = $request->get('fromdeliverydate') or ""; $todeliverydate = $request->get('todeliverydate') or ""; $o...

gm guys
after a long time i am back to php chat room.....does anyone remember me?
 
 
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5:34 AM
What php functions are there for generating random codes? For example, one for forms against CSRF, and etc.
 
Wes
random_bytes
mornings
 
morning. Thanks.
 
I have to implement a simple game in a website. Do you know any good game PHP api ?
 
@Shafizadeh I am not sure you know what you are looking for. What's that API supposed to do?
 
@Gordon there are lots of simple games on the web. But they don't return any score .. Now I'm looking for something which returns some info about the result of the game.
 
5:45 AM
!!? leaderboard highscore api
 
Search for "leaderboard highscore api -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=leaderboard+highscore+api+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• Leaderboards | Play Games Services | Google Devel… - 10 okt. 2017 - The Play Games SDK automatically creates daily, weekly, and … is a short name of the… (https://developers.google.com/games/services/common/concepts/leaderboards)
• How to remove a Google Play Leaderboard highscore… - 10 jun. 2015 - In game load leaderboard or achievements -- in right top corner click … https://deve… (https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23835050/how-to-remo
 
@Gordon the strange part is you didn't use the "game" keyword in what you searched. But the result is related to gaming ..!
 
that's not strange. leaderboard and highscore are terms relating to games
it's like googling for rice and being surprised that the results relate to food
 
ah I see
 
6:02 AM
Why really google play games services should be desecrated for the web :-(
> Important: Google Play games services is deprecated for client-only web games, and is not likely to function as expected. Do not use Google Play games services for new client-only web games. Server-side calls to the REST API to service Android games will continue to be supported (see here for more details about server-side REST API access for Android games).
 
desecrate? I am not sure you mean that word.
 
deprecated * (that was on google auto-correction (google-fault))
 
these are actually quite funny boredpanda.com/…
 
I will take a look at it, thx
 
6:27 AM
o/
 
Wes
LOL
 
6:46 AM
moin
 
mornin
 
morning
 
Wes
7:26 AM
@kelunik well i'm sure this is the worst documentation page i ever encountered confluence.jetbrains.com/display/PhpStorm/…
is it just me?
 
posted on May 15, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
tempus fugit Latin. time flies.
 
I think SO should give a privilege to the knowledgeable users (i.e who has more than 50k rep) to be able close posts themselves. To avoid close-vote-please comments.
 
there is an option like that, but only for duplicated, if the user has a gold-badge in one of the question tags
 
morns
 
o/
 
8:05 AM
@Shafizadeh Mods already have that privilege. And anyway this is too much power for 1 man to have..
 
@tereško my website has that too ..! :-) (though mine is rep-base in that tag, not badge-base)
@mega6382 a man who has about 50k rep deserves it.
 
@Shafizadeh Also, its possible, that what same question is clear to 1 person and unclear to the other, and that person closes it, the other one won't be able to provide the answer.
@Shafizadeh Oh no, I don't think so.
 
Jon Skeet doesn't have php gold badge
 
8:09 AM
SO is a really good community .. it thought about everything and implemented it as the best way.
 
@Shafizadeh there are people who have earned 100k for just asking question and only asking questions
 
@tereško in my website, scores that are earned because of asking won't be count for giving users privilege
 
moin
 
mrnng
 
Wes
how do i make phpstorm's quick documentation pop up (ctrl+spaceb) larger?
 
hi
In psr-4 autoloader standards what this means
When loading a file that corresponds to a fully qualified class name ...

A contiguous series of one or more leading namespace and sub-namespace names, not including the leading namespace separator, in the fully qualified class name (a "namespace prefix") corresponds to at least one "base directory"
 
what is your question?
 
Means that Foo\Bar is to be mapped to one or more directories
 
Wes
8:52 AM
helmuth \o
 
@Ocramius hmmm
means Foo\Bar to be either A\Foo\Bar or B\Foo\Bar @Ocramius
@Ocramius means Foo\Bar to be either A\Foo\Bar or B\Foo\Bar ?
@tereško I need an example
 
@Webdev no. Foo\Bar can contain Foo\Bar\A or Foo\Bar\B. A\Foo\Bar and B\Foo\Bar are different base namespaces.
 
\o
 
9:09 AM
o/
 
@Ocramius hmmm
 
@Webdev also, don't confuse \ (namespace separator) with / (path separator). Nobody deploys on windows. NOBODY.
 
morning php room
 
@Ocramius linux?
 
yes
 
9:12 AM
@Ocramius more relevantly, / works fine as a path separator on Windows anyway
 
@DaveRandom yes, in PHP, but users still confuse it :-)
 
actually, pretty much everywhere except explorer and cmd
the underlying win32 apis all work fine with /, apparently the gui designers don't like it though
 
O_O
 
@Ocramius do you (or anyone else) know of good tools to validate swagger json, and to validate the data returned from data api calls actually matches a swagger json?
 
@Danack it's just JSON-Schema... lemme look it up
@Danack I use justinrainbow/json-schema
 
Wes
wow the new reddit is seriously crap
 
the old one was seriously crap
 
Wes
true
 
Wes
they copied twitter
 
9:34 AM
a thing I never understood about reddit is why you can vote for your own posts
 
It's just to pat yourself on the back. :p 1 upvote looks better than 0
 
Makes the code simpler?
 
(hint: if you click on it, you will probably start getting ads like that too .. congratulations)
 
Just use a private window with proxy
 
9:43 AM
+ with a provider that does not seed you with "persistent tracking cookies"
 
just use an adblocker and dont care?
 
Wes
@tereško yeah, thanks for pointing that out. open in incognito
 
The "i don't like this content" option seems to actually work for me to prevent being shown similar stuff.
 
Wes
not all ads allow that
 
really?
 
Wes
10:14 AM
@mega6382 the ones you can't skip and block are usually the most annoying ones
apple ones for example
 
@Wes If i ever get a long ad that is not skipable, i just close the tab and open it in another browser.
 
Wes
same
i open it in incognito
 
I usually, have at least 2 browsers running, either chrome, firefox or opera. So, I don't open incognito that often.
 
I use incognito all the time because I like to pretend I am a spy
 
Wes
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10:29 AM
@DaveRandom it's called "porn mode", and you above all should know that.
 
I am not at liberty to discuss the matter
being a spy and all
 
That reminds me, if anyone has any really strong quotes from well-known tech people where they are shitting on PHP users, please send them to me, as I want to use some in a talk.
 
10:47 AM
May 3 at 10:13, by Gordon
PHP develovers are all worthless and weak
 
Ones that are untrue, preferably. /s
 
@Gordon you are weak.
 
Wes
slow internet today. pffffff
can't even load google fonts
 
@Ocramius your types are weak
 
If I see one more person say Laravel is good for starting out and X is good for enterprise I will lose it. Laravel is the best framework for starting out and enterprise development don’t @ me 🔥 Happy Easter
I mean, you can't shit on PHP users much more than that
 
10:51 AM
That is a trap.
 
That is indeed a trap
 
Talking about Laravel increases the likelihood of Laravel users talking to me.
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@Gordon my types are indeed weak :-(
 
> 94% of PHP developers are proponents of legalisation of anal bestiality for underage widows - Chris Wright, May 2018
 
10:53 AM
@Leigh Laravel is nto even good for starting out let alone enterprise level.
 
(kind of the point - the quote is shitting on PHP users :P)
 
Perhaps I should have given an example:
PHP is the Nickelback of programming languages.
along those lines.
or
every time I hear the name @Rasmus Lerdorf, I mentally substitute "history's greatest monster"
 
@Leigh this is one of those posts, that can cause a lot of people to be banned from twitter
 
@Danack Ouch
 
er, don't scroll up btw.
 
10:59 AM
Tidy class doc: a contribute – #76341
 
For enterprise I believe ZF2/3 and Symphony are the only real option when it comes to PHP frameworks.
 
@mega6382 you really ought to look at Slim with github.com/Danack/SlimAurynInvoker
 
I'd indeed include Slim/Expressive
 
Zend Expressive?
 
Reminder: your X is not "enterprise ready" if I can't instantiate 2 of your X without it crashing and burning.
@mega6382 yeah, but really, anything PSR-15-alike is (usually) good to go
2
mostly due to the fact that separation of state and concerns tends to happen just by adopting them
 
11:05 AM
I have never really used, Slim or Expressive in anything running on production, but I do remember making some prototypes and dummy apps in these.
These are quite cool.
 
Not much changes, tbh. Same DIC (just pick any PSR-11 one you like), same constructor injection, just no controllers. You get aRequest -> Response flow with very little shared state (or none at all)
 
138
Q: How can we opt out from the arbitration clause of the new terms of service?

Andras DeakThe new Terms of Service went live yesterday following an 8-hour heads-up on meta. One key change that was mentioned as an aside with no real explanation is the new arbitration clause. Opt-out appears to be possible only via snail mail, according to the ToS and an unsure comment by an employee. ...

 
Wes
11:21 AM
is it possible that memory_limit doesn't work, like if i have xdebug enabled, or if i am using a pre release of php
 
11:38 AM
looks kinda grown up ... for ~300 loc ...
 
Morngins
 
yo
 
11:55 AM
@Ocramius /me instantiates two event loops
 
@bwoebi that's basically in the listed responses :P
 
@Wes or if you do anything involving libxml
 
Wes
ah. could be
 
or indeed any dependent library that is not compatible with zend mm, or simply has not been set up correctly to use it
libxml is the big one both in terms of how much memory it uses and how frequently it is used though
 
@Ocramius "Abstracting a lower layer (streams, thread pool, GC, system resources)" < ah, seeing your second tweet now
 
12:00 PM
Good morning, everyone!
 
@PeeHaa So, did you end up making that mario thingy in php or not?
 
Mario on php?
O.o
 
Yes, he called it @Ocramius. It's all got a bit out of hand tbh.
 
@mega6382 Kinda
Didn't write anything,but looked into it
 
hmmm, so what did you find atleast?
 
12:06 PM
I'm guessing he found some beers in the fridge and that was the end
 
Yeah, that's quite possible.
 
file_get_contents waits twice specified timeout – #76342
 
that seems... unlikely
 
@tereško Seems you can opt out by email now if you wish. meta.stackexchange.com/a/310067
 
@DaveRandom it is reproducible though. But I will argue that the request is still being timed out at 4 secs. So, it might be PHP taking this time to generate errors and whatever.
 
12:20 PM
 
@DaveRandom Also, has the lxr been deployed on platform.sh yet? How is it working?
 
@mega6382 no it really is exactly doubled
just tried a few different values for it
 
@DaveRandom Yes, but only upto 5.1 after that it stays the same
 
I suspect it's trying the read twice
@mega6382 yes, because the server is waitng for 10 secs
 
(Sorry this might be a general programming question and not specific to PHP but I'm learning it in PHP) Am I right here: "Anonymous functions are expressions, but they are a bit special, because they could be converted to statements using parentheses".
 
12:23 PM
i.e. 2*5
@mega6382 not sure where @FlorianMargaine is up to with the deployment but I suspect he's a little busy atm...
the old box is fine for now though
will be OK until end of June
@Simon.B that seems like it's the wrong way round
certainly in PHP, any expression is also a valid statement (afaik)
i.e. you can write 1; and PHP won't complain, it's just a no-op
 
I believe in php any line that end with a ; is a statement.
 
@DaveRandom That's right...
 
but not every statement is valid as an expression
so you can't write do_stuff() or throw new Tantrum();
because throw is not valid as an expression
 
@DaveRandom Really, 1; does no action... Look: "In computer programming, a statement is a syntactic unit of an imperative programming language that expresses some action to be carried out."
 
12:37 PM
> a syntactic unit
 
Yes I saw that, but there's an "and" not an "or" :D
 
tbh I can't be bothered debating technicalities, but I am 100% confident that 1; is a statement :-P
some languages will treat it as a compile error though
in fact
!!? empty statement
 
Search for "empty statement -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=empty+statement+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• empty - JavaScript | MDN - 11 jan. 2018 - An empty statement is used to provide no statement, although the JavaScript syntax w… (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/Empty)
• The empty Statement - Maple Programming Help - Ma… - The main purpose of the empty statement is to allow redundant semicolons to be used without causing… (https://www.maplesoft.com/support/help/maple/view.aspx?path=empty)
 
Wes
what to do when you lost all hopes and struggle doing even the simplest tasks
 
start drinking?
 
12:41 PM
Go to sleep?
 
Wes
i do drink. maybe i should stop?
 
take some time off
 
Sleep
 
Wes
sleeping makes me feel even more depressed
 
That's a tough one
 
12:43 PM
I just marked a project as complete
 
@Wes or maybe, you should drink some more.
 
but... to get here, I waited 3 days for the outsourced people to display just... one... thing... after decoding
so now the launch schedule changed
and they are writing me asking if they can also take on the API side of this application now
which is already complete... they want to assign a team for my API :-P
weird day it is...
/me takes time off
 
@Ekin Is your SMS thing deployed yet?
 
@Wes more seriously, you should go outside
 
It is and a bunch of other amphp-using tools and whatnot
 
12:49 PM
@Wes Deadpool 2 is being released in Italy too today, maybe you should go watch that. I am also planning on watching it today.
 
@Ekin \o/
And it still works? :P
 
Yeah they do :)
Someone else's responsibility to maintain now as I don't work at there anymore but I hear he sees really good results
nobody here is coming to Istanbul for the conference this weekend, rite?
 
anyone got another idea on how to map a host pid to a container pid except looking at NSpid or grep'ing over /proc/*/sched?
@FlorianMargaine ^
 
1:05 PM
@Allenph I got my copy of Mastering Regular Expressions \o/
 
@Tiffany The name sounds like clickbait to me. :P
 
@mega6382 isn't that how most O'Reilly books are?
 
As a question based on experience: I have a script which inserts a post in the database (it sanitizes the text, checks user_id, checks tags, etc). Now I need a similar script which updates that record for editing the post.
my question: Is it better to add some changes and if-statements and make that script also working for editing, or make another (separated) script for editing?
 
Wes
@mega6382 deadpool 1 sucked
 
1:11 PM
@Wes Maybe this one won't. Anyway, I just watch it for shits and lolz.
 
@Shafizadeh all the "validations code" sound like it should be reusable. I would separate it an reuse. You would end up with two short methods (one for crating and one for updating), where both of them call the third (validation) method
 
you mean a class for validation which will be used twice (by calling it) in two separated scripts?
 
making two separate scripts (that contain 90% of the same code) would be a pretty bad idea, since then you have to remember that each bugfix has to also be repeated
 
yes, I believe so
anyway, I got what's the best approach. thx
 
well .. it's not "the best", but it's as good as you can do for now
 
1:16 PM
@Tiffany BTW, there is this guy Wiktor Stribiżew, whenever there is a question about REGEX or string manipulation, he almost always answers it. His answers are quite good and well explained. He is also the top user in REGEX tag. You, should check his profile an answers too. I think.
 
@Wes worst movie ever
 
Wes
i didn't say that
but with all the hype built around it for months i expected a masterpiece
 
@Wes but I do. 75% is lame action scenes. 20% is lame jokes. 5% is lame plot. you basically know how the entire movie will continue once the female is introduced.
 
Wes
true
 
1:20 PM
@Gordon "75% is lame action scenes. 20% is lame jokes", thats the entire reason i watched the movie.
 
@mega6382 I can warmly recommend dirty grandpa. you will like it.
 
@Gordon I have already watched that, its been a couple of years but yes, i have watched it.
 
it's from 2016 so "couple of years" sounds greatly exaggerated
 
Wes
dirty grandpa was shit
i have no idea why de niro would do that
 
@Gordon its 2018, so I would like to disagree. :P
 
1:28 PM
@Wes worst movie ever. the only reason I watched it to the end was because I was too fascinated that it was de niro in the movie
 
Wes
bad grandpa was so much better, and it's made by literal jackasses
if you didn't watch it @Gordon i advice watching it, it's actually funny and it has even a decent plot (keeping in mind it's a jackass "candid camera" movie)
 
@mega6382 that is interesting. the translation for "a couple of" in german is more like "a few" or "some", but I looked it up in Oxford AED and it says two of a kind, which strikes me as very odd because if I mean two, I say two. Why would I use a different word for that which obfuscates the much more precise number
 
@Gordon A couple usually means "2" or up to "5". It basically comes from like "A married couple"(thats how I see it at least). So, you basically mean 2 when you use the phrase "a couple"
 
just say two when you mean two :-P
 
:P
You, know after I watched dirty grandpa, I didn't watch anymore of De niro's movies. I still have Analyze this, downloaded, but I haven't watched it yet.
 
1:45 PM
I think I will watch You Were Never Really Here next
 
Wes
interesting. in italian "one pair" means exactly two, "a pair" means "about two"
but that's just the literal translation
tempus fugit. i did nothing today
 
tempus fuckit m8
3
 
xD
 
seriously though, you sound like someone with burnout
it's not going to get any better until you stop trying to fight it
and when you do stop trying to fight it, it's still not going to get better immediately
put the work down and go do something else for a bit, where "a bit" is a period of at least several days
 
Wes
i haz no time to be burned out
..... that's what a burned out would say
 
1:53 PM
while I fully sympathise with that answer and the situation, it really actually doesn't work like that
you didn't accomplish anything today, what makes you think you will tomorrow, or next week?
so you can either accept that and go repair some of the damage and then actually get some stuff done in a few days, or keep making it worse and still not be doing anything in a month
your call, obv
all of this (as usual) has a big fat "in my experience" qualifier
 
there are online tests for burnout. take one.
 
Wes
what's the result if i quit the online test for burnout after 2 questions
 
the problem with that sort of thing is that when self-testing for a thing they don't want to have, people tend to lie to themselves
@Wes I have occasionally wondered if there is any practical difference between burnout and chronic apathy
 
My Score 33-49
Be careful – you may be at risk of burnout, particularly if several scores are high.
 
/me out, later
 
2:02 PM
I don't know if this one "I feel that organizational politics or bureaucracy frustrate my ability to do a good job." would ever be less than "very often" where I work.
 
Wes
@DaveRandom i have both
 
@wes did you do a sketch of an elephant looking a bit like a sith lord? Or am I imagining things?
 
@Danack We just did that exercise this morning in a meeting.
I drew mine at the bottom.
 
Wes
@Danack waitforit
no, seriously, how you want it?
 
Apparently I'm pessimistic- but not really. My hand just shakes with nervous energy and I wanted to rest my wrist on my lap so that I could draw better.
 
2:04 PM
@Wes I was going to use it to troll twitter.com/seldo/status/996389827389087744
with "good, good, let the hate flow through you" from the emperor.
 
Wes
i wish i have watched star wars
actually no i don't
 
@Wes you've never watched star wars?
 
Wes
@Danack imgur.com/a/XFYpb these i did
 
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Wes
@mega6382 i tried
 
2:26 PM
@Danack awesome :D
 
Wes
@Danack can't do that. doesn't look like an elephant if it looks like a sith lord
 
@Wes Just put a cape over its body with the hood pulled down. That should do it.
 
Wes
it's not gonna work
 
2:43 PM
Hey guys, where does QA sit in continuous deployment?
If we have manual tests in there, they're the blocker, it's not CD any more
My thought is, they're not the final firewall any more in a manual sense. Their tests are.
 
not sure what you mean @Jimbo
if you have CD, then all tests need to be automated
 
@shadowhand This is it - not manual tests any more
I have a QA guy who isn't exactly understanding of this, he believes there needs to be both kinds... I get that he doesn't want to feel less important
 
2:59 PM
@Jimbo QA can be writing tests, too.
it somewhat depends on your definition of what QA is supposed to do
like you can be a QA engineer and make sure you got CD setup properly with all the metric tools and stuff
or you can be writing end to end and smoke tests so the devs dont need to
 
Well, those end-to-end tests are what I want, so we can implement CD :) Also going to give TeamCity a test-run tomorrow, we'll build CI in one day and see how it goes
 
they can also do code reviews if you want
also, formal releases can require certain checkpoints getting scratched off some list
like [ ] build is green [ ] docs are updated [ ] release notes are prepared… blahblahblah
 
Those checkpoints can be automated? (Like docs updated?)
 
depends on the effort you like to do I guess
 
Ultimate goal is full CI / CD
 
3:10 PM
are you doing trunk based and monorepo?
 
Ha, right now I'm about to transition us to monorepo from 3 separate ones
 
did you get a copy of amazon.com/… yet?
 
Nobody's merging to master, everything goes through PR + CR
No, I still have Enterprise Integration Patterns to read :'(
 
Site error/access logs should probably just be stored close to the site itself right? Trying to lock down multiple sites from viewing each other's logs seems like a ballache when logs go through a shared folder
 
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3:12 PM
also, when you say CD, you mean Delivery or Deployment?
@Jimbo check out trunkbaseddevelopment.com and continuousdelivery.com. They collect most of the good practises and thoughts about how to approach all that
tl;dr: Delivery ends at QA, that is, after you deployed things to your QA environment, you let the humans do their checklists.
 
@Sean Not necessarily. We're looking at implementing ELK (Elastic) Stack, logs are centralised
+ you can search them etc
@Gordon Thanks dude, I'll take a look at the links. So QA still has manual stuff before it's actually deployed, but delivery is up until the QA
 
> Examples of things that might need human intervention range from governance decisions (where regulations might require live human judgement), legal aspects, to sanity checks on the UI to catch things that the automated tests might miss - white text on white background for example.
> Also, if your UI is undergoing rapid changes, it might make sense to skip some of the complexities of building up an automated test suite
 
@Jimbo Aye, It's kind of related. I've got an ELK stack running on docker but the initial logs need to get stored somewhere before they're passed to logstash, right?
Unless you mean to just store everything in combined logs and let the elk stack sort them out
 
@Sean That's what I meant, you fire everything up to there and the stack sorts it out
Also looking at GoAOP for the logging, so there's no $this->logger inline in the calls, pretty nifty
Although there is some overhead there, I believe they declare ticks to hook-in on that but I'm not sure as I haven't looked yet
@Gordon Hmm okay, for now, no UI, so is okay
 
3:57 PM
@Jimbo Is this the thing where you define all kinds of logic through annotations?
 
@Leigh When you say "logic", it's not business logic. It's - at line X, I want to log this result
 
Disgusting
 
And it's not in the code itself, it's separate
It's not part of the business logic or the doc comment
 
 
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5:04 PM
array_walk myth – #76343
 
5:19 PM
Can't create session file at session_start() under Apache 2.2 chroot – #76344
 
 
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6:23 PM
It's an unusually slow day in here today.
 
I'm going to have a lot of time to look for a new job now...
Counselor recommended I go on FMLA until I can get my anxiety under control
 
=(
@Tiffany Did you tell them that your anxiety was getting better already?
 
6:50 PM
evenin
 
A friend who idolizes Go everywhere.
 
7:28 PM
hi all! I am making few steps in php object oriented. I have a confusion...If you have time to light me please...
I'm working on an app (just hobby). I have defined my all classes...again and again refactoring,
but all the time I am facing the same problem: creating a main class that do all chains between classes to make them work togather and control flow things...is oop about this? I mean...something like a pyramidal structure? or is ok to have some control flow statements and objects creation in global scope?
 
@CoderDudeTwodee GO is PHP4
 
@Ocramius That sounds like PHP 4 was superior to PHP 7 … well … okay. PHP 4 is superior to PHP 7 - change my mind please.
 
Make PHP Great Again!
 
@bwoebi php 7 has traits and goto
 
7:44 PM
Is there a way to backup apache in a way where I could easily revert to it? I want to upgrade apache from 2.4.7 to 2.4.18 to enable http2 but I don't want to mess anything up
 
an upgrade of patch version should not affect the config files
 
Hmm okay, I've never done this before so I'm hoping I don't screw anything up haha
Does the config change at all from v2.4.7 to the latest (2.4.33)?
 
8:18 PM
@tereško nobody needs traits … and I happened to eliminate goto in favor of branching
 
8:47 PM
@StatikStasis it will get there with some time. Need therapy and an adjustment to meds.
 
@tereško but uh … if it weren't for generators (php 5.5), I would still use goto
 
.. I wasn't actually being serious :(
 
I know :-P
 
@bwoebi /me shrugs
 
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