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12:15 AM
@SamuelLiew With regards to this meta, it looks like the [webflow] tag is gone. Is that the same as [spring-webflow]?
 
@Machavity no, that request was to merge both into a new tag
spring-webflow should remain a separate tag, as it's not related to the website builder
 
@SamuelLiew Ok, that makes sense. Thanks
 
Sam
12:46 AM
 
1:36 AM
Anyone know why we have a and a tag?
Seems kinda pointless...
 
 
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5:03 AM
@E_net4 Don't upset the special little cornflakes:)
Lot of Froot Loops in C++ this morning:(
 
5:54 AM
@Enzokie This was edited to add some code. Please take a look to see if it's enough for a MCVE.
 
6:10 AM
@Makyen The code is already enough so I am retracting my flag. I would like to isolate that cv here, thanks
 
@Enzokie OK. I'll move the request.
 
@Makyen How do you put square brackets inside a link caption? (around "your favorite company" above)
 
Is this spam?
 
@techraf backslashes, like [this]
:41688780 backslashes, [like \[this\]](chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/41688780#41688780)
 
@techraf As @tripleee said, you have to quote it with a backslash. [Why we're not customer support for \[your favorite company\]](//meta.stackoverflow.com/q/255745/)
 
6:21 AM
let me [check]
Thx
 
@EJoshuaS I would say no, it just answers a question which should have been closed as off-topic (and now is) but the vague consensus in Metasmoke seems to be yes
 
@EJoshuaS I flagged as spam. While the question was bad, the answer brought in a completely different company (i.e. not the one which was being asked about in the question). Thus, IMO, it was intentionally using a slightly related question to post spam. If the answer had been about the company in the question, or if the question wasn't about a specific company, then I would have said not-spam, due to it being requested. As is, my opinion was that it wasn't requested.
 
@tripleee I agree, it is difficult to tell. Spammers usually do not wait for over a year to use an account, but the answer is suspect.
 
@Makyen I didn't read the question very closely; this is probably a better informed answer
 
 
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8:07 AM
Morning \o
 
@MartinJames Keep 'em coming and stay frosted. :)
 
 
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9:54 AM
unclear or request for off site resource? stackoverflow.com/questions/49359542/…
 
@WhatsThePoint Went with too broad.
 
@PraveenKumar alas I ended up losing out on the flag because I posted the link in here
 
Ohhh...
 
doesn't matter too much, I don't need flags
 
Ron
10:48 AM
The air is getting thinner. Makes rocking in the free world that much harder.
 
@Ron The opening lines to your next chart topper?
 
Ron
@StephenKennedy More of a reality check.
I see my new i30 1.6d disappearing on the horizon.
 
11:40 AM
@Ron So you didn't sign the contract? I undrstand you so well.
 
Ron
12:20 PM
@Olaf I didn't sign one of them.
 
12:35 PM
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Q: User on tag-edit spree for 2+ days... [excel]+[vba]=[excel-vba]

ashleedawgI'll save you looking it up: Here's the duplicate of my question. I figured I should pass this along anyway since I couldn't find a clear answer on this. I've noticed someone who is <2k rep and for at least the last two days has had practically no activity besides dozens of pointless tag-only e...

 
Morning
 
morning
 
Ron
o/
 
Looks like we've got a whopping 8 SOCVR alums vying for mod
 
And still missing @Nat
 
12:55 PM
@kayess I've decided not to run after all. Just not fully back into the moderation mood yet
 
@Machavity So one of 'em had better get elected :p
@NathanOliver Shame... but understandable
 
Hey Jon.
 
@NathanOliver howdy... :)
 
Don't be afraid. Take a sad song...
 
Ron
This one will end up in Antarctica if it goes any further south. Should it be deleted?
 
1:01 PM
It's been put out of its missery
 
Is this question on-topic?
 
Ron
I would say that's a SuperUser or similar material. Legality aside.
 
@Machavity I'm going to go with Too broad
 
Awful editing for sake of editing: stackoverflow.com/revisions/49363595/2
 
1:19 PM
@global_warming Gets worse when you view it in the revision list
 
@Machavity what is the procedure for such edits?
 
I rejected an edit earlier which (amongst other changes) changed "customise" to "customize" in the title, and "customize" to "customise" in the body!
 
@global_warming In this case, I'd just leave it be. Probably not a primary English speaker. If the edit is defacing or malicious, mod flag the post with a link to the bad edit
 
Gotcha! Edit needs to be approved.
 
1:26 PM
@SmokeDetector voted to delete
 
@global_warming Only edits by users with less than 2k or tag wiki edits for users less than... 20k? need to be approved stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/edit
@global_warming The user you were asking about doesn't need approval for their edits and thus doesn't get +2 rep for an edit. So unless it is vandalism or systematically harmful, you may as well tut tut quietly, ignore it and move on
 
@StephenKennedy Yep. Lemmi ask @ADM what he was thinking.
 
Sam
2:03 PM
 
 
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Q: What's in an [application-name]?

Obsidian PhoenixI recently, came across a question tagged with application-name. On investigation, there is no guidance on the tag, and appears to be no real consistency on the usage. There's only 39 questions tagged with it, covering a range of different technologies, from sql-server, postgressql, to elmah and...

 
@MartinJames Yes, master! You pinged? Almost always at your service.
2
 
4:09 PM
Also has anyone else noticed the SO favicon is not appearing in SO tabs anymore?
(other network sites still have it; this is specifically the SO site)
 
What would you folks make of this question? It reads as "please help me read this file in a non-standard format".
 
@E_net4 Meatballs? Seriously: "unclear" or "no mcve".
 
@E_net4 It would be fine if the data to be processed was included in the question. Ask for an MCVE.
 
@TylerH Works for me (FF59)
 
It might be difficult to provide it into that situation but it's needed
 
4:14 PM
@PaulStenne It was included as a dropbox-hosted file. And the code which attempts to read the file is there.
 
@Machavity Hmm, I'm still on 58.0.2
It is missing for me only on Firefox, and is missing only on SO; and is missing regardless of whether I have Ghostery or uBlock Origin turned off/on
 
@E_net4 Yeah but it has to be in the question text, not outsourced
Let me comment
 
@PaulStenne It would have to be a hexdump though.
 
@E_net4 Yeah, why not
 
@Machavity I will try to close down all my Firefox tabs and update
it's annoying that I am so cursed that the in-app update function never works for me regardless of install or machine
And magically the favicons are back in Firefox 59.0.1
Anyone else have Firefox 58.0.2 that can test to see if SO favicons are missing from tabs?
or did my profile/installation just inexplicably bug out
 
4:27 PM
@TylerH Yep, missing them here on FF Dev actually
So 60.0b4
Although I'm on a crappy network so I'd blame that first
 
@PaulStenne I will post a Meta question anyway just in case
 
Okay
 
this is not the first time or second time they have changed stuff and broken the site layout/design in Firefox
@PaulStenne what OS are you on
 
Arch Linux
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I had flagged that post from yesterday. Mod marked it as helpful but commented: For now, I see value in the answers, so I don't want to override the undelete votes. I wholeheartedly disagree with that decision: the answer(s) simply point out the mistaken method and then mostly give advice about Java naming conventions, useless. But I'm going to drop it at this point. More garbage to take out.
 
@PraveenKumar this one has an MCVE now; the request can probably be binned
 
4:56 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis doesn't it need to be closed first?
oh, it was mjolnir-opened just now
@Adriaan wow, look at all the duplicate potential in the related questions list on that one
 
@TylerH The error's crap, it literally means "Should've supplied more parameters", and in the docs you should be able to figure out which ones you missed
 
@TylerH It was reopened........
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis Let it go. I got serial downvotes today again (after reversal) and you?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I got a second batch but before the reversal. They were all eventually reversed.
 
I'll flag those too. This guy is really a piece of work.
 
5:05 PM
@PaulStenne see Shog's comments meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/364822/…
 
This time it's on answers, and not very good answers of mine, I'd say. So let's see how the reversal script goes. Else, nevermind. It may be someone else, as those are my worst or not-that-good answers (accepted with -2: that one I'm not getting...)
@SotiriosDelimanolis only 5 downvotes on answers. Not the guy way of doing things. I think that's the bad side effect of being a candidate. You get enemies.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Candidates are getting serially voted? What a load of Froot Loops:(
 
They often get more upvoted than downvoted. In terms of rep, I'm maintaining a positive record (it's like when you post on meta, but times 10)
In that case, it was more subtle than serial voting. The person picked 5 not-awesome answers of mine, probably to hope to avoid the reversal. We'll see how it goes. It's still serial downvoting, or I'll take it to meta again
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre How can one get a negative record on rep? It's lower-capped at 1.
 
I mean with upvotes & downvotes from the "election" effect.
 
5:20 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Seems like you could use some cheerios.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Well, there are always weired people underways. I had someone quite cleverly downvoting for about half a year or so. Always in pairs and some minutes or even hours in-between, of course I could not prove it was the same user.
 
OWO
 
5:44 PM
oh dear
autonomous vehicle struck and killed pedestrian
 
@MartinJames We had almost exactly the same code here 1 few days ago. Apparently the user did not learn anything from the comments.
 
Ron
@NathanOliver What do you think about this one? Dupe, or good enough dupe?
 
@AndyG No need to del vote those. SD report promote them for people to vote (or not vote)
 
@Ron I found a better one
 
5:53 PM
@Olaf Oh, another one. That makes three of those 'secret entrance' thingies so far, all crap:(
 
Ron
@NathanOliver Nice one.
 
@MartinJames Interesting: both accounts are >2 years old. Wait - three?
 
@Olaf There was another one, somewhere out there..
 
5:56 PM
@MartinJames Gnarf! They put more effort into asking than the research would require. Plus the latter would really teach them something, while the questions of no further use. (yeah, no news)
 
Ron
Once AI takes over we are all toast imho.
 
SkyNet has been renamed GroundNet
 
I'd rather trust AI cars than humans
 
@Ron I see more of a problem for wild animals. But then it might lower the prices for deer meat.
 
6:00 PM
Oh how I wish they'd forbid all humans from driving anytime a human caused a car crash
 
@NathanOliver If a self-drive car writes itself off, running into a tree, say, does that still count as a driver fatality?
 
Ron
The singularity will wipe us all out, not the self driving cars.
 
@MartinJames Sine we don't define them as living I would think not.
 
I've heard that whales are descended from deer, so... Japanese have been murdering deer for ages :P
@Ron nu-uh
 
@JohnDvorak You really think AI driven cars will cause less accidents as long there is no overall trafic steering? Well, dream on ;-)
 
6:03 PM
I'd ban human drivers and let AI drive. It should reduce the accident count - even after the number of cars returns to the pre-ban levels - as unlike humans, robots can cooperate.
 
Ron
There are hiccups, but I am confident the self driving cars will do a much better job than human drivers in the future.
 
I just read there are robot-baristas in San Francisco now. Time will come the production robot asks an autonomous vehicle to get it a latte from a robot coffee shop during it's lunch break.
 
Why should robots develop a taste for human food?
 
Ron
Robots are not the problem. The conscious, self-aware, self-improving AI is.
 
@JohnDvorak But that means we need even more wars to reduce the number of humans.
 
Ron
6:05 PM
Once that gets out in the ether we are all closed as off-topic ;)
 
@Olaf That's what the cars are attempting.
 
Yeah, and social networks and world-wide communication will reduce the political crisis and avoid fighting. :-(
 
The conscious, self-aware AI that will wipe out humanity isn't self-improving... and has been existing for millennia already.
 
OWO
 
Ron
@JohnDvorak Say what?
 
6:07 PM
Humans suck
not all of them, but enough do
 
I'd call it "NI", but yeah, maybe.
 
Ron
Biological intelligence is just a step in the evolution.
 
@JohnDvorak What if I told you that the writer of the self-driving car had been asking questions on SO to help them write it?
 
@Ron Evolution does not try to reach a final goal, so no.
 
@Ron I found the missing link - it issues parking tickets downtown.
 
6:08 PM
@Machavity more than believable and potentially fridge-terrifying
 
@MartinJames Can't be, it is already here (and there and everywhere).
 
Ron
To put it in Sam Harris words: "We fail to amount an emotional response to future AI".
We can not know what we are not capable of knowing.
 
The trick is to enslave humanity before they wipe themselves out and then blame u... robots.
 
@Ron Uncontrolled recursion...
@JohnDvorak lol, a robot would not mistype like that.
 
unless it wanted to make a mistake just to pretend it's a human
 
6:11 PM
..unless that's what it wants us to think...
 
Already used in the Talos Principle.
 
@MartinJames That's where most people err imo. AIs will do as many errors as humans. Just possibly at a higher level (but then with also larger average consequences). There can't be learning&improving without errors.
 
Ron
The problem is it's rate of evolution.
 
yeah... 20 years per generation just won't do
and that's the best case
 
Ron
@Olaf We like to anthropomorphize a lot. Little will the super intelligence care about that.
 
6:15 PM
probably will
depends on who builds it first.
 
I cannot see how any kind of intelligence could win out if it cannot appreciate beer and pizza.
 
If it's Google, super-intelligence will care a lot about humans ... because who else would click the ads?
 
Ron
Our only weapon in this fight is a lot of crappy legacy code.
Which there is no shortage of.
 
dur
Is this question on-topic? See my comment. It is about a development tool, but I guess the problem is the server.
 
I'm not convinced it's a positive
 
6:18 PM
@Ron If you are right, that will not be built by humans. YOu are aware all "AI" approaches use some kind of error feedback to improve the system? That#s actually the difference to normal programming. SO how do you improve a system without a way to detect errors?
 
If you want to learn from your mistakes before you make them, you just have to know it advance it's a mistake.
 
@JohnDvorak You really want to be reduced to an ad-clicking zombie?
 
I don't. But Google wants that, no matter if ruled by humans or robots.
correction: Google wants that, no matter if they have robot slaves at hand or not
 
@JohnDvorak "only after we used all food for fuel production, we will notice ads cannot be eaten"
 
@Olaf in those cases, flag, and let SO employees make sure it's the same user. I did that once and got my rep back.
 
6:23 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre IIRC multiple accounts are allowed as long they are not used to cheat reputation, etc. - Or did you mean the srial downvoting? Well,, it was a year or so ago.
 
of course, it's possible... I mean serial downvoting. Well, you could still flag it, but it's better when it's hot.
@E_net4 I'll have a beer, thanks.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I well know and did it multiple times. But that one was just too spread. It also took me some time to consider it was connected and it was more of a strong feeling. I'll let it be, not worth the hassle.
 
=w=
 
7:47 PM
'class maim { public int number;} ' I think it was supposed to be 'main', but the questions sucked so bad that 'maim' actually seems like a reasonable response.
 
8:09 PM
@MartinJames I >like< the "We were told to use the internet to find out" reply.
 
...and the polls are open for the primary.
 
...may the odds be ever in your favor
 
8:32 PM
I'm actually amazed that Vladamir guy has gotten as many upvotes as he has. He never posted answers to the Meta questions and never responded to any comments
 
It was one big Emoji for him ...
 
People sometimes favour low-rep because they want to empower them.
 
@rene FR: make a bar chart for the current score
 
FR's should be directed to Charcoal
 
@Machavity Please not 'Vlad from Moscow':(
 
8:46 PM
not that Vlad.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre [sigh of relief]
 
one of your cucumber friends I suppose?
If only Putin ran, we'd vote for him so he has to give up the Kremlin.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre lol, though voting against him may get you assassinated:(
 
not worth the risk for 76% of Russians.
 
8:58 PM
@MartinJames I see we have common friends …
@Jean-FrançoisFabre More C++, but busy in C, too.
 
Not the worst one. BS is the first then, the other 200k+ guy you've all guessed.
those never use their gold badge. Maybe they just don't know you can hammer.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Maybe, but one of the more aggressive if you tell them. After all, a certain other is polite.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Maybe they only use screwdrivers.
 
The Vlad guy isn't very nice, as I recall. BS isn't so great either. Nice pun about Screwdrivers.
I can't see a glass of Vodka without belching.
 
Ron
At one point I was told not to be that guy. By a certain prominent socvr member that has been put on hold now.
And I was heading his way. Picking up all the VLQ posts and all... But that is history.
 
that guy who?
oooh yes.
 
Ron
9:06 PM
The V for Vendeta guy.
 
you've got excuses when your rep is below 20k / no gold badge.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre We all have our poison.
 
Ron
It was a sobering advice.
Who's BS?
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Oh, you have? Hmm, maybe … … nah, not good for my intestines.
 
oh, yes, I remember about that now.
@Ron: BS some Russian-like but french guy, 150k, "the hyperlink king".
A good post is a post with the raw link on the C norm.
 
Ron
9:09 PM
Nice.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That was not who I had in mind. I thought about someone who multiple times VtC and answered.
 
There's Vlad as well. Not the same guy.
And there's SPD too.
AKA JP
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre SPD? Don't worry, they shoot themselves into oblivion.
 
yeah, I feared that you bringed that up :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, it was obvious. Plus I'm not sure who else you mean.
 
9:19 PM
The rule is: no names. you'll have to guess. I'll remember you when I flag one Q where he answers.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Meh, I'm sure if I see the name, I'll know it. But yeah, no names, that's why I won't think about the Fallout 3 Studio.
 
Just follow the breadcrumbs:-)
 
Bethesda Softworks ?
ooohhh
that's another one. Okay. Nice he is.
SPD: the Big Lebowski
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre It's really interesting to see the Euro dropping cent-wise;-)
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm, I had to watch that one again. Was long ago and I did not really follow the story.
 
9:29 PM
it's so awesome. There's not so much of a story, but the Dude main character is excellent.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre love Bethesda Softworks games
 
Is it possible to give your self a bounty?
 
Not me: I'm stuck in the 20th century when it comes to games. Make it 1992.
 
investigating a sock puppet trading bounties between accounts
 
@Nkosi not directly
 
9:30 PM
@Nkosi. Yes. Watch me.
 
but it is possible
 
I did it again.
 
@Nkosi I prefer a Snickers
 
bounty trading doesn't make sense (well, sock puppets don't make sense either and yet people create them)
 
@Nkosi This is a known fraud technique that mods have said is not ok; if you suspect it has happened somewhere, flag for them to send it up the chain
 
9:31 PM
@Olaf Snickers don't get in your teeth like forever.
 
I still find Fallout 3 the best of the 3D "reboot".
 
@Olaf: 3 what? I'm just starting 2D.
(after 40 years of Pong)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre OTOH you have something to do during meetings.
 
I never attend to meetings.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Geta bounty and you will. If not for anything else than watching how people react to that sound when you eventually found another piece of coconut with your tongue :-)
 
9:38 PM
or Boeuf Bourguignon. Beef overcooked meat is even worse than Bounties.
Me old timer prefer Treets & Raider :)
Raider was the old name for Twix. Maybe it looked too much like "hard-on" in french...
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Must have been cooked wrong or the wrong part then. The fibers in the beef get softer and dissolve after some time, bounty fibers don't.
 
Oh, hell, I just read at WP there is a cherry flavoured Bounty? They really manage to spoil everything.
 
@Olaf no, works all the time. Don't try to cook a Bounty BTW.
never saw that before...
I'm not asking to close, mind.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre And never have one in your backpocket wearing white pants. Yes, I know.
 
9:46 PM
@Olaf at least the inside is white, unlike Snickers.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre int array(… - was enough already. sigh
 
for a good eye like you.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre That doesn't help much, believe me.
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Please do!
All the answers only cover a part of the problems.
 
 
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11:03 PM
@Olaf: check that one: parsing 6502 code in python: stackoverflow.com/questions/49373697/…
@Olaf I like original typo questions.
 
11:33 PM
Hi all! o/
 

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