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12:03 AM
A post dupe hammered and OP says not a dupe then deletes and posts the exact same question.
 
12:53 AM
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Night all
 
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Q: Send this tag to outer [space]

MD XFRetag request The space tag is useless, and per its description we shouldn't use it. Burnination request Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? It doesn't describe anything useful about the question to which it is applied; it only says ...

 
1:08 AM
That burninate request is a dupe btw
 
1:41 AM
No formatting 'cuz I'm on phone.
 
2:40 AM
 
 
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3:48 AM
@iBug Isn't "blatantly wrong" more of a downvote reason than a delete reason?
 
4:07 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/49012367/… is literally the same question as stackoverflow.com/questions/48971354/… and user name is same... is this misusing dupe accounts?
check the code in both of them
disclaimer: I saw it because I had answered the first one
 
@SurajRao Yeah, that looks like a user trying to circumvent a question ban or limit. They probably hit a limit about four days ago, and created the newer account. You'll notice this account was last seen right around the time that question on the other one was posted. Seems like they logged in, found that they couldn't post, so hopped to their backup account.
 
@MikeM. ok.. I mod flagged the newer question.. thanks
 
 
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6:56 AM
 
Mayken script even warns you when the deletion request doesn't match the rules!! I looove this script.
 
7:53 AM
Morning \o
 
 
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9:28 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Great! Thanks! I glad you're finding it useful.
 
9:49 AM
@Makyen more than useful. It adds a new dimension to the interface. No more "click to see job is already done" waste of time
 
10:07 AM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Saving that wasted time was a large part of the reason to add the features. :-) I'm glad that it is actually saving you time.
 
10:58 AM
Oh - downside to @Makyen script - a screen full of orange bars when I get up in the morning:)
 
11:09 AM
 
@MartinJames You clever fellow, it is orange bars all the way down. :)
 
11:27 AM
^ The account should be deleted as well!. On four other sites. Will this happen automatically?
 
@Makyen what would really save time is ... not visiting SOCVR or SO at all :) but that would kill the pleasure too
 
@Steve it doesn't
 
@rene Good to know. Asked just because, after the only message has been deleted, I don't know any way to flag that spam in the user profile.
 
@Steve you can still flag the deleted post once you have the rep to see them, which i think you have
 
@Nkosi Done, thanks
 
11:38 AM
np
 
 
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Sam
1:01 PM
o/
 
Ron
1:34 PM
Help! The horrible 9 to 5 monster is about to devour me.
Keep calm and sign the contract.
 
Noooooooooooooooooz!!!!!!!!!! (shakes fists in the air)
 
Nose?
 
@kayess lisp. :P
lol
 
lol
 
@kayess onoz
 
1:45 PM
@Mac lol
 
@Ron I'm sure your bank account wont mind. It may actually be the evil villain behind the works that you only realize during the inevitable monologue flash back. It was pulling the strings all along.
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver o/
 
Ron
o/
 
\o
 
1:50 PM
o/
 
Ron
@Nkosi The salary range is appalling to say the least. For the same position.
Oh yeah, and train wrecked btw. Looks more like a mini bus.
waffles
 
meh
 
Ron
No repro.
Not even a warning generated.
 
Ron
2:43 PM
Nonsense, hostile text in this one. What do you make of it?
A del worthy material in my opinion.
 
@Ron It's worde strangely, but I don't think we should press our personal opinions on that. After all, we don't live in Tele-Tubby-Land (whcih actually makes me prety agressive, mostly due to the language they use).
 
Ron
@Olaf I respectfully disagree with you on that one.
 
I agree with Olaf. Fight can be innocent. Could be boxing, Mortal Kombat etc. No need to be overly sensitive.
 
Maybe it's fight ... in mud.
+1 for Mortal Kombat. best fighting game ever.
 
Ron
The post is awkward to say the least. I see no place for it on SO.
 
2:49 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Friendship. Friendship?
 
Well it's surely too broad. So close it on that basis and move on.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre You mean Multi-User Dungeon? :)
 
@Ron it's already "gimme the code", so it'll go away
 
Just because it says "fight" doesn't mean you need to read anything into what is being said.
 
@Ron So you prefer to swallow your anger and smile to all bad things happening to you, just to keep the peace? Thanks, I prefer honesty. Note that fights are not necessarily harmful. The best innovations came from heavy disputes and even some kind of "fight".
 
2:50 PM
@E_net4 MK I only has fatalities.
@MartinJames nope :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I prefered the fights in Monkey Island.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Sure, the first one didn't have Friendship. :)
 
@Ron Oh, I did not say I don't agree about that.
 
Ron
@MartinJames You don't happen to come to SE Europe any time soon? Ordered something from the UK online, apparently they don't ship here. Took them 7 days to realize that.
 
@Olaf: hilarious those ones.. At least in that question, girls are allowed to take part of it (like in MK BTW)
 
2:51 PM
Is that what the 'f' in '1.0f' means? 'Fight'? If not, why float?
 
it means any f word you want
 
@Ron since it'll go away sooner or later, I've voted to delete.
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Good call. Appreciate your action.
 
If one person is offended and you don't use your 20k, then what's the point!
Sonia ... wins.
 
2:53 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre I rarely met girls who were not open for a good fight. Problem was more they used dirty tricks (like "I'm a girl, you can't hit back" and using their finger nails). But that was a very long time ago.
@MartinJames I had another idea which more fun.
 
I gave up martial arts a looong time ago (except for computer martial arts)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Are you into deep learning?
 
computer martial arts -- that's what fighting with the CVQ is
 
oh you mean write AI for fighting games? never tried it.
@kayess can be!
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre yeah! Welcome to the SOCVR Dojo, please meet our mighty 10-dan close vote sensei rene
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Not really, I meant just any kind of deep learning. Most of knowing how to obtain better performance is actually through practice and experimentation.
 
@E_net4 nope, don't know anything about that. But the ones trying to do such things in Python will probably need guys like me :)
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Hmm...
 
3:17 PM
My computer died :(
 
Oh noz
 
and the sucky part is that my data is on a raid 0 pair of disks
 
Ouch
 
I have gone through some questions and put them in the CV Queue; there are many POB or Code Review questions
 
@Compass means you lost your data? probably not.
 
3:20 PM
@Compass Did you have an on board raid controller or PCI/software one?
 
@Compass: Chuck Norris would open the disks to read data manually.
 
or stare at it until it converts itself to SATA
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Chuck Norris would roundhouse kick the disks to combine them
 
My older computer died after I bought a new one. A few days later, when I wanted to plug it on for my son. Talk about luck.
@Machavity :) don't even get me started on Chuck Norris
 
3:28 PM
How would I tell?
About the raid
It was preconfigured with the computer
by two disks, I mean two NVMe SSDs
 
Ron
@Compass Be happy you skipped the floppy disks era.
Dark ages.
 
I'm thinking about taking it into a repair shop
$35 diagnostics and repair. I have a full replacement arriving tomorrow.
But it'd be nice to have a functioning back-up
PS, computer died 1 day after warranty expired =w=
 
@Compass Depends. It's probably hardware RAID, but you can also do that through Windows as well
 
Yo @TylerH could you please stop VTCing with a custom reason that is actually a migration in disguise?
 
if it's hardware raid, it should still be recoverable, right?
Just need an identical-ish chipset
 
3:33 PM
I call you out, because there was a quick swathe of comments for Duga...
 
@Compass Possibly, but you have to get the same controller to do it
 
Ron
@Compass All you data are belong to quantum fields.
Kidding, hopefully not.
 
can you define this "controller" concept :(
 
@Compass: if you can remove the disks from the computer I'm sure they're recoverable. The dying of your PC has probably nothing to do with the disks, but rather the motherboard.
 
I can remove the SSds
the issue is that they're a pair of NVMe SSDs
and I don't have a desktop
So I can't just plug them in anywhere
 
3:34 PM
the "correct" close-reason for questions that ask for code-reviews is "too-broad".. see also this MSE question and relatedly this one
thanks
 
and there's no NVMe to USB adapters.
 
so you're ok. You're just stuck until you find someone to help you.
 
Well, being RAID 0 you can't just plug them in anyways
 
@Vogel612 It's not a migration
These questions are too old to be migrated
 
I know. I know there's no migration path.
 
3:35 PM
and there is no built-in migration option for CR
also who is Duga?
 
in The 2nd Monitor on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 43 mins ago, by Duga
I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because questions asking for improvements to working code belong on Code Review, not Stack Overflow. — TylerH 34 secs ago
 
It sounds like Duga needs to have its filter tweaked if it is catching too many false positives
 
CodeReview resident chatbot montoring comments on SO for ill-advised migration suggestions and related close-reasons...
 
Therein lies Duga's problem: I'm not suggesting migration in any of these comments.
 
@Compass Sorry, had to step away for minute. Are your SSD's SATA?
 
Ron
3:36 PM
We're being watched. Quickly! Run for cover.
 
or SE should get it's crap together and stop quietly condoning using the wrong close-reason for stuff
 
It is the right (custom) close reason
Questions asking how to improve working code belong on Code Review
 
no it's not. A question is not off-topic because it happens to be on-topic on another site
that's not how "off-topic" works
 
SO is for debugging, not 'improve my working code for me'
(SO is for a few other things as well before whataboutism joins the convo)
 
that's a gross oversimplification, and still doesn't invalidate my aargument
 
3:38 PM
NVMe
 
@Compass it's not an issue to find someone with a desktop, buy a 300$ PCI card (ouch) and plug it in. It if were me, I'd hijack one of the PCs at work :)
 
Look, there's ample discussion about that on MSO, MSE and the CR meta.
 
Questions asking for code review are at once too broad and pob AND there's a site just for that
 
the consensus is that you should VTC such questions as "too broad" and "pob"
 
@Compass isn't there a good SE site for that kind of stuff?
 
3:39 PM
The best thing to do is provide a custom explanation that covesr all of those
 
which yours does not, IMO. ...
 
Well your opinion is wrong, in my opinion :-)
 
@Vogel612 Uhm, it's off-topic because the site says it's off-topic. We frequently point people to sites where you might be able to get help, but it's up to the user to manually move it
 
hey, we need some off topic questions here, urgently :)
 
Your best bet is to have Duga ignore my Stack Overflow comments if it's a problem
 
Ron
3:40 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre +1
 
@Compass What you would have to do is find a computer that has the same MB/MB family and the raid controller should be able to read the meta data on the disk and recover the raid partition. Then you could copy your files off of it.
 
@Machavity yes. I'm trying to make the point that you should close off-topic questions for the real reason they're off-topic
 
how about a "good" "my linked list isn't working" question. Anyone?
 
Ron
@Jean-FrançoisFabre All time classic.
 
not "because they belong on [insert site here]"
because that's been repeatedly debunked for not being a valid close-reason...
 
Ron
3:41 PM
A linked list walks into a bar...
 
The barkeeper tries to dereference head and gets an AccessViolation
 
That's the hard part :(
so when you say motherboard family
like if it's an i6820
 
@FireAlarm izzat spam?
 
should an i7xxx be fine?
 
@Vogel612 not spam, just mcve...
 
3:45 PM
@Compass You need to find the controller chipset. A "family" board might have one, but something that tertiary might not
 
Ron
Ok, who left the Siberian door open and let all the cold air in? Come on, don't be shy.
 
@FireAlarm lets migrated it to code review :D
 
that does get you a mildly raised eyebrow. Good Job, maybe you can get a fully raised one the next time :)
 
@Compass Not processor, motherboard. Lets say you have an asus MB like this. All three MB's there should have the same raid controller. You might be able to use just another asus MB if they use the same raid controller
 
@Ron Meh. Wouldn't migrate that. OT close it
 
Ron
3:50 PM
Ok.
 
@tripleee Re DV on ... I DV my max 30 each day that I'm on SO, and update the list in the gist using Magicâ„¢ Tag Review 2. Any that are deleted do disappear from the gist, when I update it. I have been reasonably disciplined wrt updating the time & date in the gist as well. (I was recently on vacation for 11 days, so it got stale then.)
 
OK
So I called the local repair service, he gave it to me straight. Since it's a gaming laptop, I'd basically be paying about $400-ish for a replacement mobo if that's the issue.
Which is fine with me.
better to have a slightly more expensive but functioning computer than an expensive and non-functioning brick :V
So I'll pull out my SATA drive and m.2 SSD tonight, leave the boot SSDs inside, seal her up, and send her off to Valhallaaaaaaaaaa
 
You've got 4 drives in a laptop?
 
That reminds me, I need to send in this RAM for RMA
 
@NathanOliver I bet he has a boot M2, two M2 raided and a magnetic SATA for bulk storage
 
3:59 PM
@Machavity Oh yeah. You can't boot to raided PCIe
 
@Compass that wouldn't happen to me. I always buy the most mainstream laptop crap. People usually laugh at me in my SO answers when there's some benchmarking involved :)
i5 inside!
 
@NathanOliver when I bought it:
it had...
1 SATA drive, and a bracket
the bracket has 2x m.2 M-key NVME slots, and 2x m.2 B-key SATA slots.
the NVME slots were filled with a RAID0 boot OS.
boots REALLLLY fast.
Like... look away fast. Which suited me just fine.
Until now, when it's turned into an angry lockbox.
I added on, into one of the SATA slots, a Samsung Evo 850 500GB SSD
This became my Steam Game boot drive.
 
Ron
Nasty post. Del worthy, going south, what do you think?
 
oi
why did a 148K rep delete the body
 
Ron
It was a nasty post.
 
4:06 PM
oh
OHHH.
I am a slow C++ compiler :V
 
@Ron Already ruded out
 
why does it list author as the 148K rep?
 
@Compass OK. Your best bet is the replacement MB to try and recover. Hopefully you'll be buying a USB3.0 external HHD to backup too ;)
 
I have MOST of my data on the SATA and m.2 SSD
I have some artwork on my RAID 0.
I typically don't mind saving art to my C drive because it's not my jerb and I can redraw it if necessary
but usually if a computer fails it's not the boot OS failing and in retrospect I shouldn't have done so.
But practically speaking I am lazy and I'd rather have it fixed than redraw it :V
 
I pay Google $2/mo for 100GB of storage. And I get the benefit of having all my family pics available on my phone
 
4:11 PM
One of my high quality works that I would like recovered is this: reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/7zgd6l/…
I use github and sourcetree for all my code.
my coding workspace is on that SATA drive too so I can just plug it in and keep going.
 
Ron
@Machavity Good strategy. I am also using the Google backup. Served me well all these years.
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Yeah, that would save a bunch of time, but not... quite... in the way we want :-). I'm excited about the script too. Sorry if I don't convey that well, particularly when falling-asleep-on keyboard tired, as I was when last here. While working on it, I've been really hoping it saves people time (or makes them more efficient with the time they do spend). It's great to hear that it's doing so.
 
Well, it doesn't particularly show at this time of day, but when a lot of bad questions are asked, it lits SOCVR like a xmas tree :)
@Makyen so big thumbs up again
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Thanks. :-)
 
(all my sock puppet accounts will serial upvote you soon as a reward :))
 
4:18 PM
:-)
 
@Machavity But now the goog owns your data
 
@TylerH They already own it. I opted for Google Apps back when they gave out 50 free email accounts. I still blow people's minds that I have a custom domain and email address
 
You are now doubly indentured
@Compass so that is your account
 
no linked lists question for 1 hour. I thought the server was down.
 
@Compass PS I love The Division
 
4:27 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre There were 14 questions, but you cannot see them because the head pointer was NULL.
 
A man walks into a bar and starts pointing at nothing. The bartender becomes annoyed and yells "I take exception to your null pointing!"
7
 
I love those linked list jokes
 
A linked list, a queue and a stack walk into a bar. The list barges in front and demands a beer added to his tab. 'Hey! Wait your turn! shouts the queue, swinging a fist. missing and hitting the stack by mistake 'Oi!' screams the stack 'Nobody pushes me around!', grabs the list and pops hiim one, [bar fight]
 
then segfault police barges in. End of story.
 
4:43 PM
smelly core dumps all around
 
@Jean-FrançoisFabre then segfault police barges in asking who was at fault :P
 
4:56 PM
@Compass The first thing I'd do is: make a backup, or two, of the raw drives (you never know what might go wrong with trying to recover). Buy/get a way to access the raw drives along with a larger drive, or two. Copy each raw drive into an image on the larger one(s) (I'd usually use ddrescue, but even just dd works; there are many options). Only once I had a backup would I do anything else wrt. trying to recover (e.g. even just plugging them into a new, replacement motherboard).
From time to time, I've experienced problems with drives being recognized as an existing RAID array when moved to a new, identical controller. This is more likely when it's an integrated solution (e.g. on MB, small external consumer box, etc.), as the firmware tends to be less robust, particularly wrt. error-case recovery. In addition, they may, or may not, have stored the RAID config on-drive (i.e. so that auto-recognition of moving drives to a new controller is even possible).
 
 
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6:10 PM
fixed
 
6:45 PM
Waffle (I had to refresh chat window :D), anyway thanks Makyen \o/
 
o/
 
\o
 
\o
 
What should I do about a tag that's been created but I don't think should exist? Tag in question is . It has one question and a user has been suggesting edits to add it to questions: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/18964674 for example
 
6:50 PM
@NickA ping user... then remove it and let it die...
 
@PetterFriberg [Now that the train's derailed :-) ] You're welcome. :-)
 
it's working great in SOBotics also to check what has been deleted, next FR is to check comments also :D
 
I don't have any way to back up these NVMe drives
I talked to the repair tech and he said that, aside from the price, it shouldn't be a problem fixing if it's a MOBO issue
There's no enclosures for NVMe
or if there is one, it's super expensive or rare.
All of them are for the SATA B-key drives. I assume because the NVMe ones using M-key require too much bandwidth for a USB to handle or something. Not an expert =w=
I'm just going to peel my standalone SSD off my bracket and SATA out of its cradle and pass the boot over for diagnostics.
Now, for my SSD, how should I store it so it is safe? :thonk: I don't think I have any anti-static bags.
 
@Machavity Wouldn't he have to try to actually dereference it before he took exception? ;)
 
7:05 PM
@Compass I don't think they are particularly susceptible to static - they are in a metal box. Stilll, you could use cooking foil, or a tin biscuit box. You could even put it in a metal breadbox, assuming it's smaller than a breadbox...
 
@PetterFriberg Adding comment status is on the list of things to do. The whole section which actually fetches the data from SE is planned for a re-write, much of which I expect to be able to lift from the Archiver script, which I re-wrote with that expectation in mind. The Archiver script does handle comment status, but there is, of course, additional associated work for the Unclosed Request Review Script to handle another class of SE object, but not all that much.
 
it's an m.2 ssd
so it looks like a computer chip
i have to take it out for a day
 
sd edited
 
7:34 PM
ok I found a store that sells them owo
better safe than melted SSD =w=
 
7:48 PM
`stackoverflow.blog/2018/02/28/… heyo DMV is super-strong :)
 
8:01 PM
Wow. They're persistent, too. Bolding the entire answer in an edit, when it got greyed out due to downvotes.
 
@Compass Good. I'm glad you found one. I'd started looking, but got distracted with a programming task. I 100% agree that it's better safe than sorry with something like this. At least for me, I'd probably prefer a NVMe -> SATA converter, which I could then either use directly attached to SATA, or through a SATA -> USB3 converter (of which I have a couple). To me, the important thing would be to get a converter that does not support any type of RAID (i.e. doesn't have multiple slots).
When they do support RAID, the firmware is sometimes designed to reserve a portion of the drive for it's own use as configuration. When that happens, you often need to go searching for whatever offset is used for the actual partitions. Hopefully, just plugging them into the new motherboard will "just work" and you won't actually need the backup, but I always feel more comfortable in this type of situation having the backup.
 
I am wholly unfamiliar with converters and I'd still need a pair
I think the safest option is to pull off the solo drives, send the rest in for that diagnostic, get it checked out to confirm it is a dead mobo, and get a retail full-price replacement mobo of the identical make and model at cost and just have that go at it.
It is... kind of nice being able to support this type of repair.
 
Too many pastes...
 
My life feels empty without a computer to watch movies on =w=
When I get home, what will I do? owo
i guess cuddle with doggo a lot more :)
 
8:18 PM
@Compass Roku + TV
 
I have a PS4 with VR
let's see if there's anything VR-fun :happythonk:
Gah!
 
Wow that guy was busy
 
That's not going to end well.
 
Ron
Incredible...
 
8:26 PM
Technically it's spam, but I flagged them all as NAA. I'd appreciate if someone with real knowledge of could check if there are any duplicates.
 
Zoe
@Glorfindel It's spam. (excessive promotion)
 
@Glorfindel I flagged the ones which didn't disclose affiliation as spam. If there was a comment from Review, I went to the review and reviewed it there. If there was no comment from review, I flagged as NAA. I agree that the number of them makes it excessive, and thus spam, but that's not obvious with each answer in isolation.
@Compass You'd need a minimum of one, with the ability to connect to the bulk destination drive at the same time. So, depending on configuration, you might need two. At least what I was expecting was that you would backup each raw disk one after the other, not at the same time. Just getting a direct replacement MB should work. Make sure to put each drive back into the same 0/1 connector, not swapped.
In some cases just a direct replacement won't work. At least in the past, there have been some designs which don't recover the RAID config from the drives and won't permit creation of the array w/o writing/clearing some portion of the drive. Such designs (broken, IMO), tend to be more common in MB RAID solutions where the firmware space is limited and the engineers who work on it tend to not have as much experience with writing good RAID SW.
 
with the replacement MB
the bracket still exists
and the bracket can only be inserted one-way.
So I'll keep those two SSDs in their slots so there is no confusion.
The architecture of this 4-slot bracket is quite insane.
I had never seen anything like it before and apparently MSI dropped it down to a pair after this series too.
Prior to this machine, I had never even heard of m.2, so I was very surprised when trying to figure out how to recover data that there is no proprietary NVMe enclosure and it's all internal-only, whereas SATA enclosures are pouring out of the silos.
Also, if it's a full loss, it's a full loss.
Even if I don't get my data back, at least the new machine will work.
 
9:01 PM
@Compass I think the issue is it runs on the PCIe bus. I'm not sure what would be required to get something to go from PCIe to USB but I'm guessing people didn't think it would be needed.
 
@NathanOliver I'm sure there's a USB convertor somewhere. I have one for SATA and it's saved my neck more times than I care to count
 
Oh wait, that is only b key and not for PCI-e
 
9:23 PM
Yarp.
That's why I think full recovery is at least worth the trial and error. Theoretical vs practical I am interested to find out.
And if it's a power supply issue, then yay I just have two computers =w=
 
 
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11:51 PM
Damn. Did it again. :-( Sorry for the double CV request. But you all should enjoy the penis avatar the poster is now using (after the extremely profane and insulting comments were deleted) before it's gone.
 

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