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1:32 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Are we going to end up going back and forth on this one. I remember getting pinged about that post recently.
 
@Nkosi I just refrained from voting. Doesn't mean others that haven't yet should refrain.
If it does come to that, we'll get moderators involved.
 
ok cool. When I realized it was the same one from before I refrained from voting as well. which is why I made my comment. I understand what you meant and agree.
 
 
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4:11 AM
And it has two upvotes and favorites. WTF?
 
 
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8:13 AM
@techraf also, general computing
@techraf ditto
 
 
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9:15 AM
 
9:38 AM
The joys of having over 200 pending flags
 
Ron
9:49 AM
o/
 
Zoe
10:10 AM
Is this just off-topic or spam?
 
I just realised when 1 serial voting flag takes an average of 20 minutes to handle I'm generating 26 hours a week of work for the mods :D
 
10:22 AM
@Magisch You generate 78 such flags/wk?
 
Zoe
cool
 
@iBug about 80. But right now it's more like 150 - 300 while I'm catching up
Since I was slackin to prep for my coc exam late last year and haven't fully caught up
 
@Magisch I can't even see that many results in the query.
 
@iBug default settings only looks back 10 days. It's a parameter
 
10:27 AM
@Magisch but you can't flag repeatedly, so you can only flag as many as there are weekly.
 
@iBug rarely the same people
right now I'm still stuck in the timeframe of Jan 20 -> Jan 31, 2018
 
@Magisch you're inspecting every single one before flagging?
That's what I'm doing and why I only flag less than 10 per week.
 
yes
I have a csv dump spreadsheet that auto generates most of the flag text for me, and after over 1K of those I've gotten good at spotting it
 
Never underestimate the dedication of @Magisch to detecting bad users:)
 
Due to time availability, I sort the result by "rep gained" and inspect the top 10~15, plus 0~5 random ones
 
10:34 AM
@MartinJames Hopefully Shog's new system will come into play eventually
Then I won't have to anymore
 
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11:08 AM
@VadimKotov belonging to Meta.. not really would be deleted there as well
 
@SurajRao yep, you're right. Should be deleted
 
Sam
11:36 AM
o/
 
\o
 
11:53 AM
useless edit got approved. Dont know why they do it:( stackoverflow.com/posts/49005565/revisions user submitted edit again after I reject edited it.
 
12:11 PM
user creates a dupe account to ask same question twice.. mod flaggable?
 
Caught up until Feb 11, 2018. 232 flags pending
:D
 
hmm.. user deleted the new question
 
@SurajRao I'm guessing because you down and close-voted it before the OP could draw breath:)
 
no.. didnt take any action at all
wanted to get some feedback here before that
 
Afternoon \o
 
1:09 PM
this is a mess but I'm not sure what to do, reject the edit suggestion or even roll back? in range construction in python 2 — working too slow
 
1:24 PM
@Machavity ninja'd
 
1:45 PM
Trying to wrap good practices around bad design is an effort in futility.
OP: but I can't change the code.
ME: :| ..... I wish you well....walks away
 
@NathanOliver 'fternoon
 
@Adriaan Well, without NHL players men's hockey didn't do so well but women's hockey kicked but
 
@NathanOliver you participated at least :P
 
:)
hmm, just got rate limited on main :|
 
1:57 PM
pressed F5 too hard?
hiya btw \o
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Big IT row in the Netherlands: the DUO (government agency which sorts out student loans) is converting their 1986 system to a new one, and will shut down their services for a complete month (source, in Dutch). Dutch twitter exploded with IT-people clamouring that when they hit an hour downtime the boss already gets anxious :P (cc @rene)
 
@Adriaan No doubt SAP again:(
 
slow Firey
 
morning
bah, great start to the day
 
2:08 PM
\o
 
\o
 
@Adriaan What is their conversion strategy? Have a bunch of werkstudenten copy the data over by hand?
 
@rene they didn't say; prehaps they have a more in-depth article on a tech website or DUO's own site
I like the bit about the rest of the government's IT being crap :P
 
2:39 PM
@MartinJames But SAP is always the best
Never not
 
@EJoshuaS can you stick to the standard descriptions, or at least include them with what you have. Helps narrow down what you want.
 
Ron
o/
 
\o
 
Ron
Keep calm and eat Sonnenblumenkernbrötchen.
 
right clicks Search for "Sonnenblumenkernbrötchen"
 
Ron
2:48 PM
German is a hard language to master. I remember struggling with it in high school. Little has remained since.
 
Ron
3:03 PM
@Nkosi The company whose binary forest interview I walked away from wants me to come back. Brings back faith in humanity.
 
@Ron I find it pretty easy. I'm struggling with Russian, Chinese, Japanese and most other languages, though.
 
@Ron wow. :). either very great or rather suspicious raises an eyebrow
lets hope it is the former.
but I still wonder what is the catch. lol
there's always a catch.
 
Ron
@Nkosi Could very well be.
@Olaf I find my native language easy and it has 7 cases, 3 grammatical genders, plethora of adjectives, objectives, times and lot of carbon-hydrates.
 
@Ron reminds me of a saying. if you can't spot the fool in the deal,...chances are, it is you.
 
Ron
True.
 
3:11 PM
@NathanOliver This Meta is using a question you hammered as an example
 
@Ron Well, those genderistas here try to seemingly establish about 20+ gramatical genders. Some texts from universities have more stars and camel-case than C code like the Linux kernel.
@Nkosi Wow, that's a good one!
 
\o
 
@Machavity I was just about to say it wasn't questioning the validity but how it happened
 
Ron
@halfer Sup? Welcome, welcome.
 
@Nkosi "Vague problem statement" and "No MCVE" are the same close reason, right? Off topic for needing a MCVE and specific problem description?
 
3:22 PM
It could also be unclear or too broad. That is how I saw it, so personally I was confused.
 
Ron
^ Probably the first.
 
@Nkosi Good point - is "Off topic - no specific problem statement" better?
 
@EJoshuaS If you prefix with Off-Topic in that case that helps narrow down the request. So yes.
 
3:48 PM
@SardarUsama I wonder why the folks at CV thought migrating was a good idea.
 
Ron
4:03 PM
Wut. I can add SO as search engine in FF? Well I never...
Go Mozilla.
Reverts back to using Google
 
You were so excited to say "I can!", you never stopped to think "Should I?"
because SO search is terrible
 
Ron
Unfortunately, that is correct.
Google better searches SO than SO searches SO.
Which is to be expected I guess.
 
4:24 PM
Would someone remind me - is it OK to report old questions here? I have one that is a year old that basically says "I had a problem and solved it, see my answer" i.e. it is not a question. I won't paste it if that's off-topic in this room.
 
There's plenty of new stuff to close already
 
It never hurts to leave a comment to the OP suggesting they turn it into a true Q&A... or edit it yourself.
 
Fair enough, thanks both.
I've commented, but there's not enough substance to edit.
 
it's still worth closing through here if it's being used as a broken window, though.
 
Not really, to be fair. The answer looks reasonably useful.
 
4:28 PM
The only time I bend that rule is if I'm searching for something myself and find highly ranked crap answers instead
 
You can still throw it in the CVQ and see which end it comes out of
 
WHY DO WE ALLOW ANONYMOUS USER EDITS????
 
we hunt for ... pearls?
 
That's terrible, why does PHP allow the same var to be used for the key and value? ;-)
 
I mean, theoretically, if you have a large enough trash pile with enough weight, some trash in the center will form into diamond.
 
4:39 PM
(I ♥ PHP)
 
I ♥ People who hate PHP
 
I guess that "why shouldn't it allow that" doesn't hold for PHP...
 
/me goes back to writing some PHP
 
I mean, there's literally a website dedicated to pointing out just how bad PHP is.
 
I expect there are several websites pointing out that "literally" is not an intensifier.
 
4:40 PM
literally afk lunch
 
Did I use it as such?
 
Unless "there are websites" is normally metaphorical of course, in which case apologies :-p
Yes, you definitely misused it. Pet hate, sorry!
 
How about "website literally dedicated to"?
That's what I meant to say
You can have metaphorical dedication for sure
 
@gunr2171 @rene / related - might not be able to make our scheduled meeting in Trogdor
 
Unacceptable
 
4:43 PM
Also, never apologize for correcting me.
 
@rene He's going to be busy
 
My apologies were of the ironic variety :=)
 
@rene I'll do my best... but when it comes to family issues turning up, you and SO can "go get stuffed" for a bit :p
 
Ha!
 
@JonClements I hear that a lot, family issues, I might try that one day myself. Anyway, no worries, I'll try to make the best of that meeting.
 
4:48 PM
I think I've seen the "PHP sadness" website, and tbh I don't see the point of it. It's a bit like the "PHP fractal" website - a few good points seemingly motivated by malice, and ultimately not constructive. I doubt anyone who uses PHP, despite its flaws, is going to have their mind changed by that sort of thing.
I expect one could be written for <pet-hate-language-here>, but what's the point? :-p
Mine would be server-side JavaScript!
 
Let's not bother correcting people, because everybody who cares already knows?
Do you mind elaborating on the "malice" part?
I'd like to read a summary of Javascript's flaws, yes.
 
@rene I know you will - I won't be going into details - let's just say careless drivers, car accidents and someone fighting for life in hospital, okay?
 
@JonClements that sounds serious enough to give priority, yes. Take care.
 
@JohnDvorak Well, yes, a summary of flaws for each language is good. I tend to think that PHP gets it in the neck way out of proportion to its flaws. On Reddit sometimes the /r/PHP sub gets folks posting similar material, and they seem to be responding to a "religious duty" to everyone posting there. The discussion involving such folks loses any nuance - everything is bad, and nothing is good.
@JohnDvorak As for malice, well, that's just my perception. The argument for some folks is so "urgent" and "necessary" that I am trying to determine what their motivation is. Of course, it is hard to introspect people's actual motivation, and it is also subjective. But, I tend to think that if someone doesn't like a technology, then they should not use it, and they can apply whatever justifications they like.
@JohnDvorak They are free to advocate that to other people too, but if they expend disproportionate effort, then others should be free to comment on why they are doing that.
 
I don't think setting up a website counts as disproportionate effort
we have Idownvotedbecau.se, after all
 
5:02 PM
Well, I like Idownvotedbecau.se because it respects the reader and encourages them to improve. The problem with a lot of language criticism is that it insists that language X (PHP) is so appalling that throwing it away is the only solution.
 
@halfer Sounds reasonable..
 
/me throws a tomato at Martin :-]
 
PHP devs' approach to the T_PAAMA.. thing (double colon? double right shift?) is appaling, too. "It's okay if devs have to Google every once in a while. We really like our Hebrew dev"
 
@JonClements I hope everything works out in the best way possible.
 
@JohnDvorak I agree with that, but I use PHP every day, and I don't think I have seen it for some years. So, erm...
It's not a helpful naming, and I'd be fine with them changing it, but I find it hard to get worked up about, I guess.
 
5:08 PM
From my personal experience with PHP: it's simply baffling that you can't dereference the result of a function call.
and the reference semantics are ... better avoided
 
Ah, function calls returning objects/arrays can be de-referenced in the same statement now. They changed that one.
 
still no idea what caused that
Point for finally removing mysql_. Half-point down for not doing anything about the habits of those who insist on using string interpolation in mysqli_
 
Heh, we get some brave folks in the PHP tag pasting their sql-injection-warning boilerplate probably every day. Not sure what one can do about that though - isn't string interpolation of SQL possible in every language?
 
@JohnDvorak The root problem is that, being the go-to web dev language of Linux, everyone and their dog wrote tutorials on how to do stuff
 
The real trick is to use ORM as much as possible and not rely on raw SQL.
 
5:15 PM
ORM can't produce the most efficient query all times
 
And those tutorials skipped things like error handling, SQL injection, etc
 
@Machavity That is a problem, yes. Three words: w3schools
You can use ORM initially and then switch to SQL when performance becomes an issue.
 
@JohnDvorak Goes way beyond W3 I'm afraid. Just yesterday I hammered one that said it was based on a tutorial on lynda.com
 
@Makyen me too... hopefully back soon
 
Doesn't the same issue apply to Javascript as well?
 
5:18 PM
@Machavity hey, don't get confused. W3 != W3schools
World Wide Web Consortium is the source of truth
W3Schools is the... north korean version
websites built will with w3schools will fail to launch or end up crashing in the ocean somewhere
 
I'm looking for dupes so aggressively that Google "robot" rate limited me...
 
@JohnDvorak The default MySQL connectors (MySQLi and PDO/mysql) are fine if used correctly. I do like ORMs myself, but I don't know if I would be comfortable expecting everyone to replace MySQLi/PDO discussions with "use Doctrine" or whatever other library.
Although, just last week I raised a PR on the Symfony sec advisories database for a SQL injection vuln in the Propel library...
[Oops!]
(Propel is a PHP ORM that is still very popular despite not getting much maintenance).
@SotiriosDelimanolis When running my 'fluff searches' I often get the "workin on ur problemz" rate limiter! I think it is telling me to take a break from editing...
 
dur
5:42 PM
This already closed question was reopened. I can't vote anymore. Could someone tell me, if it is okay to post another cv-pls?
 
6:00 PM
@dur I personally wouldn't - if five people re-opened it then that is the "community view".
New votes are probably best spent on new things that are unarguably off-topic.
 
^ agree
 
I have a question. My account has been blocked from asking questions. I am not able to determine why or how to fix it. Very few of my questions have negative votes, they all for the most part have a selected answer. I have a few duplicate topics but only 2-3... I have no idea what is wrong with what I did. Is there anywhere to figure this out?
 
go to the bottom of this page, do you see a link for "showing deleted posts"?
it's called "deleted recent questions"
 
are there any entries there?
 
6:09 PM
There is one question out of 76 that is in there. It was marked as a duplicate so I removed it as I assumed at the time I was cleaning up the clutter
 
ok. Normally if people start deleting many posts that trips the system. I'll keep looking
Unfortunately, the exact reason why you're block must remain hidden so people don't try to circumvent the system, so this is just all speculation.
 
@BrandonTurpy You might have to ask why on Meta. A mod or CM might see more than we can. There's nothing obvious about your account that would lead to a ban
@rene Looks like this CV was closed and reopened. Still needs closure?
 
@Machavity nope
 
Ron
Should I answer my meta question asking for support as "Resolved." or similar?
 
@Ron No, why?
 
6:20 PM
@BrandonTurpy Prior to asking on Meta, I would suggest reading the following Meta post and answer: What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”? Any meta post you make regarding this situation will be better received if you are aware of the contents of the above post prior to writing your own.
 
Ron
@rene Dunno. Thanks anyway.
 
@Makyen "Any meta post you make better have a lot of research put into it beforehand or else Servy will tear you apart in the comments."
 
@gunr2171 Very true.
 
and gnat will close it as a dupe
 
@BrandonTurpy the real problem is that your questions don't seem to attract any votes (specially the up variant). Now you can try to put a lot of effort in to get votes on your questions but the edits need to be awesome. Maybe a better strategy is to focus on answering questions and start with suggesting edits to other posts. Both of those will gain you rep and are positive contributions that will help to run into an up vote sooner or later.
 
6:33 PM
@dur If you feel it still should be closed, then, yes, you are permitted to post a new cv-pls. However, degenerate cases (e.g. when there's an open/close war; multiple times of posting the same cv-pls that has been expired a couple times; etc.) are not appreciated. I'd suggest a comment be left on the question explicitly stating what you feel makes it off-topic & what it needs (you've done so). I note that nobody has up-/down-voted the question, which implies it's not that bad.
I also note that only one of the users who voted to reopen has any tag score in a Spring tag, and that user's maximum Spring related tag-score is 2 (in spring-security) (e.g. compared to your 188). Thus, this could be a case where the users who voted to reopen did so just because the question "looked OK", without having the domain knowledge necessary to judge if there was actually a MCVE, or not.
 
@rene that just seems silly to be blocked for that. I guess I do not know what else I could have done. Ask better questions seems a little arbitrary when what is a good question is hidden for integrity of the system.
 
@BrandonTurpy 0 scored questions is simply not good enough.
 
6:56 PM
@rene I have asked 76 questions, 23 of them have positive votes and 12 have negative. I feel like recently I have been asking questions that are not WordPress, HTML or CSS so the response has been minimal. When I ask a question on Automapper, I assume there are less people familiar with Automapper in .netcore then when I used to ask questions about CSS.

Many of my questions did not even get a response, but I do not think they were bad questions.

I am not blaming you, I get you have nothing to do with it, just voicing frustration that I feel I am being blocked because my questions are more
 
You have voiced your frustration. We can't do anything for you except the advice already given.
 
And most my negative questions were back in like 2014-2015 when I first started posting on here.
 
@BrandonTurpy Do note the ban does take into account any deleted questions you might have that you can't access anymore.
 
51 mins ago, by gunr2171
go to the bottom of this page, do you see a link for "showing deleted posts"?
 
Just a reminder, those interested in the Trogdor discussion - the next room meeting is taking place in 1 hour
 
7:01 PM
@NathanOliver I got banned last week after I deleted a question that had no answers and was marked as a duplicate. It did in fact answer my questions so I removed my post thinking I was cleaning up a bad question... I did not know at the time it was bad to delete. So I have 1 deleted post in there, and it had no comments or answers.

I can vote to have it undeleted, is that something that I should do?
 
Yes you can vote to undelete it but it really wont help. What I'm saying is you could have deleted questions back when you first started and those since the list that shows deleted questions only shows ones that were deleted in the last 60 days.
 
Just flag for a mod and ask for links you your older deleted posts, if any.
 
gotta love customer error reports 'the page is completely blank and has two boxes on it'
Well if the page is blank then how are there things on it
 
If I have deleted questions, it has not been many if many... nor did I ever know it was bad to delete them. I honestly was just trying to remove a bad question.. not the question was bad but it was duplicated and seemed pointless to have it on there.
I am getting the feeling that no one can really let me know what I did wrong or what I can do to fix it. I do not really want to comment on questions randomly and hope they click my bio and give me an upvote... which still might not fix it because we do not know what I did wrong.

I guess it was fun being on stack overflow while I had the privileged of doing so!
 
dur
@Makyen Thank you for your elaborated answer. I will resist to cv-pls this question again.
 
7:15 PM
@BrandonTurpy Duplicate questions serve the purpose of being signposts for searchers to find the answers on the duplicate question. In most cases, they are useful, because they help other people find answers.
 
@BrandonTurpy: all active folks in this room would like to help you, but what has been said so far is roughly the limit of our collective knowledge. Folks aren't wilfully keeping info from you to be difficult. The only reason the system itself is not more helpful is that we don't want people trying to trick the filter.
 
I expect someone here has had a look at your profile already, but I will take a look just now.
 
@BrandonTurpy If you really want to go into the what did I do wrong mode: You asked questions that were so far only helpful for you and not for any future visitors. You can't really control the future voters, you can only hope they find your question when they run into the same issue, a tip also given by Shog9.
 
7:17 PM
(I take it you are question banned rather than answer banned - they are separate AFAIK)
 
@dur np. I really don't have the domain knowledge necessary to authoritatively determine if it contains everything needed for a MCVE. However, from the information in the question and comments it appears that Spring security isn't configured/enabled, which, for some reason :-), would make it not work.
 
@BrandonTurpy: I don't know if it would have made a difference, but I notice you accepted answers on around a third of your questions today. While acceptance is not mandatory, I try to encourage people to keep up to date with acceptances (and general interaction with other users) as it is a key way in which we thank each other. Indeed, one can get downvotes for not responding at all to a helpful contribution.
 
@rene there is absolutely no way for me to know what people are going to search for. With how many question are on here, a popular question has most likely already been asked and I am able to find a solution without asking a question. Even if only a few people have the issue, at least the solution is there to help the site.
 
Sure. And sometimes it just takes time before something get votes.
 
@halfer yes I did go back through today (after reading it was recommended to go back through and make sure you accept answers). I try and always accept an answer, but recently I have not gotten many responses and many of them go hours to days without a response.... Most of what I accepted today was me going back and answering my own questions that no one posted a solution for, that I was eventually able to figure out.
 
7:30 PM
@BrandonTurpy: fair enough. I've edited a couple of your questions, only minor adjustments required really. One looked pretty good so I've upvoted that, which may get you out of trouble if you are sitting on the edge of a ban. We are not allowed to serial up/down vote though :-)
 
@rene still feels like I was reprimanded for something that was not actually bad...
 
The system has no feelings, nor does it know what reprimanded is
 
FWIW I have a suspicion that users may be subconsciously more likely to downvote if there are really minor mistakes, e.g. missing punctuation, incorrect sentence casing, etc. I write my questions with excessive OCD and I seem to have mostly escaped the wrath of critical readers up until now. You may find that paying attention to details (e.g. missing colons for follow-on material, missing stops at the end of sentences,
case errors in products e.g. jQuery, missing error info due to hiding in <>, etc) may help a little.
 
@halfer Thanks! It actually did work and I do have the ability to post again (with a warning). Ill tread lightly moving forward now I understand better the system
 
Also - and I say this semi-seriously - missing apostrophes! Treat your engineer audience as if they all have OCD.
(Ill -> I'll)
My browser (Firefox) has a spell-checker in the edit box (though annoyingly it won't catch that, since "ill" is a word).
 
7:36 PM
@rene however the programmers that create the algorithm to suspend the rights do choose what should be reprimanded and what should not be. And if follows orders, even if the orders are flawed.
 
Same with "cant" and "wont", which are auld English that nearly no-one uses :-)
 
@AlonEitan IMO, this answer gets slightly above the NAA / VLQ bar, by stating that it's implemented using an HTML5 canvas. It's not a good answer, but a slight step above what's normally supposed to be deleted in the LQP queue. IMO, It is something that would be reasonable to delete using the 20k+ answer delete-vote privilege (although, I can't do so). OTOH, the question will currently Roomba, so I'm not sure a lot of effort is warranted (but the OP may accept the answer).
 
@BrandonTurpy whatever, obviously there is plenty to fix on your questions as @halfer kindly showed to you, so I believe the system works. But feel free to fight it.
 
The system is Big Brother, and Winston learned to love it eventually!
 
@Makyen So you think I should retract my flag? I've seen lots of answers like this getting deleted here. This flag might be disputed, but by this logic any simple correct sentence in a LQ answer will validate it as an answer
 
7:48 PM
@rene I am not saying my questions are flawless, am not fighting the system. In fact I came here to try and understand the system and fix what I am doing wrong. @halfer has been very helpful as well as a few other users.

I do not think it is fighting the system to try and show that the system is not flawless. I love when customers come to me and tell me when my programs or websites are flawed. Then I can readdress the issues and determine if there is a better solution.

Thanks to @halfer and a few other people I now understand things that are important that I never would have thought of be
 
@BrandonTurpy: rene is not grumpy, but sometimes we old hands can give that impression, because we answer the same questions quite a lot over on the Meta site. It is worth noting that Stack Overflow has a poor reputation chiefly amongst users who have been banned, and while it is frustrating for those users to be excluded, that also is a major contributor to Stack Overflow's quality.
If you have an idea on how to do it better, by all means make a suggestion on Meta, but (a) it has probably been suggested before, and (b) remember to wear a fireproof coat.
 
Meta is inhabited by rabid wolverines and Servy. Be sure to watch out for Servy
 
There is indeed a community of grizzled veterans, and it can be hard to enter that circle when one is not a part of it, but it is not set up like that deliberately. Human condition, I guess. I am sympathetic both ways - old hands also do not like cheeky whippersnappers telling them they're doing it wrong :-)
I got bitten by a mythical hell-hound the other day, and I am not exactly a whippersnapper!
 
@halfer Well, we told you not to cross Cerbrus
 
Giggle
 
7:56 PM
When you're reading an Academia.SE question, and the word "some1" appears in the body.
 
I am a cat though, so I can't do anything right (but I can jump up on a fence, safe for now).
 
Just delete me now.
 
@Compass Urgh
 
I just tried typing someone
it is surprisingly fast.
I guess that's what happens when you have been typing for several decades.
 
@AlonEitan I'm not saying one way or another. It's a disconnect in the system, both in how it actually operates and how it's supposed to operate. Moderators tend to handle NAA/LVQ flags fairly strictly, only validating them when the answer falls below the "isn't an attempt to answer" bar. The 20k+ privilege is explicitly similar, but in Meta is generally classified that there is supposed to be more discretion.
The LQP review queue is supposed to follow the requirements moderators use, but tends to do more along the lines of the 20k+ privilege. From time to time a post on Meta is made about LQP reviews that go down that way, and a mod mentions handing out review bans.
 
7:58 PM
NANI
 
@BrandonTurpy that might look like that, yes. However, I got the feeling you were not considering my responses as valuable and kept repeating the mantra of I want to ask questions. I didn't think that needed much more discussing from me. But again I'm happy got you that the other did their part and in the end you got what you want and I'm grumpy. That will do.
 
@Makyen You've convinced me :) I retracted my flag and will wait for Roomba to do its thing. Can you please trash my request to review (This one)?
 
cc @Machavity @Makyen you two are in the Trogdor room, but inactive
 
@TylerH I'm awake :P
 
8:02 PM
Thanks
 
@TylerH Started thinking/typing got pulled away.
 
 
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9:06 PM
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the what
oh
I thought it was a Strongbad fan club :(
 
9:59 PM
When did Magic™ Editor stop editing question titles?
 
10:10 PM
That question...
 
10:31 PM
@Makyen So, I'm not allowed to bump my requests because it is rude. Is there a statute of limitation on that? Sometimes my requests are posted at an off-peak time and I think they age away in this room. Is it still rude to re-request after a couple days or something? In my case (that I'll not mention directly), I received some support but not enough.
 
Sam
10:41 PM
 
@mickmackusa Requests expire (moved out of the room) after 3 days. Re-requesting is permitted, once the prior request has been moved out. It's true that requests which are made when the room is most active tend to get more attention. While we have a script which people can use for reviewing incomplete requests, it's not used as much as people just watching the room transcript for what comes in.
 
Fixed title editing in Magic™ Editor. It appears that the HTML for the edit page was changed sometime in the last little while.
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Multiple (e.g. more than 2 or 3) repeated requests for the same post usually tend not to be that effective, as people will have already visited the question and made a choice by that time.
 
@mickmackusa The review script is the Unclosed Request Review Script (GitHub) (install).
There's currently a beta version of that script which adds significant functionality (GitHub) (install).
 
10:53 PM
installed the beta -- very, very cool!
 
11:03 PM
@mickmackusa Thanks. If you experience any problems or have suggestions, I'd appreciate hearing about them.
 

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