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12:05 AM
@techraf: that should be: [tag:del-pls] [tag:10k+]
 
12:16 AM
:40779956 (Sorry for the delay; distracted) It's obviously off-topic (TB/res. req.). I've some issues deleting content with high views and/or score (more nuanced), so I don't necessarily feel it should be deleted (which is likely if put in the somewhat aggressive clean-up). However, it's a documentation question. Part of my earlier objection was that your initial question didn't say it the Q was about documentation, implying the tag might be added just to join the cleanup.
@HovercraftFullOfEels The [tag:10k+] is implicit in any [tag:del-pls]. Thus, a rep-required tag is really only advisable for those questions needing 20k+ and all answers. But having it, as long as it's accurate, shouldn't hurt.
 
@Makyen disagreed. 10k+ says that 10ks can join and be sure to not hit a 20k-wall
 
12:55 AM
@JohnDvorak I'm not strongly against it. I'm interested in what makes things easier for people. Would you still want a 10k+ tag to be in every non-20k+ del-pls (i.e. a rep-required tag in all del-pls) in the following two situations: 1) All del-pls made by the request generator has a 20k+ tag if 20k+ is needed when the request is generated; 2) the unclosed review script dynamically makes sure that the 20k+ tag exists in all requests which need it, and doesn't exist when only 10k+ is needed.
 
I would, yes. Though I agree that the 20k+ tag on 20k+ deletions is much more important than the 10k+ tag on on 10k+ deletions. I think I could live without the latter if there's a really good reason to not have it.
 
1:11 AM
@TylerH isn't a do-not-use; it now has clear usage guidelines (I hope)! No tag is for off-topic questions, and requests for references / manuals are off-topic. Therefore, don't add the tag. However, since we're looking at this sort of question that would previously have been tagged "docs", I see no reason not to -pls it. If there are so many that it's a problem, re-assess.
 
1:31 AM
@JohnDvorak I don't have a good reason not to use it, if it's helpful to people. I was viewing del-pls similar to cv-pls, it's just inherent that you need 10k+ to be able to act on a del-pls, just like you need 3k+ to be able to act on a cv-pls. The ambiguity comes with there being some del-pls which require the higher 20k+. I was viewing a 10k+ tag on all del-pls as superfluous/clutter, but if it's actually helpful, I'm not against it.
Although, if we do adopt using routinely for all del-pls which don't need 20k+, we might have the bit conservationists after us. Save the Bits! :-)
 
3:04 AM
Here's a challenge. This question is off-topic, and attracted tool-link answers, but thanks to a bounty, also ended up with an answer that is helpful. How would you edit this question to make it on-topic, findable by users with similar problems, and thereby save the answer?
 
keep it closed but not delete?
 
3:34 AM
@Mogsdad Might sound harsh, but the question is off-topic and should be deleted. If it were recent, migration might be an option, but that train has left the station long ago. It might be sad for the answer, but there are a lot of good questions which are off-topic here; that's how it is (personally I wonder if there is a fool-proof way to grill a burger, steak, etc exactly to the point and that is a very common problem, but I doubt I should ask this on SO)
(in case you reply, I head for bed, but I'll respond tomorrow if required)
 
AHA! Not off to bed, yet!
...but I need to be. Up for hockey at 5:30...
 
@Olaf (not specifically about this question) IMO, just because a question is off-topic, doesn't make it such that it should inherently be deleted. Off-topic content that has value (numerically indicated by views and score, along with each person's personal evaluation of the content) should just be closed, not deleted. Yes, questions which have no/little value should be deleted, but we should not be automatically choosing to delete OT questions with answers that have value.
 
3:49 AM
^
 
user177800
@halfer report them to moderators if as a custom mod flag about abuse/rude and give a list of incidents that show a history of behavior. They usually get taken care of in my experience.
 
6:07 AM
is stackoverflow.com/questions/48218993/… customer support? or too broad?
 
 
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7:40 AM
Morn \o
 
o/
 
8:10 AM
:40784171 Just FYI: One of the advantages of making a message an actual reply is that the back-link will survive even if a the message to which you are replying is moved to a different room.
 
One of you guys will know better than I what to do with this: It looks like a stackoverflow hijack, or at the very least spam: stackoverflow.com/cv/…
I would not click on the links on the page.
 
@ReblochonMasque write a meta maybe ?
 
8:27 AM
Maybe @kayess. Isn't there a process to report these things?
 
@ReblochonMasque Looks like someone has managed to manipulate a CV into being spam. Needs a meta. Probably should report in Charcoal HQ, they will likely be interested, as their focus is spam.
 
ok, how to do that?
 
@ReblochonMasque I linked your post here.
 
ok, cool, thank you - I think I will consider my duty done then. :)
Cheers @Makyen
 
@Makyen Gotcha. Just not in the habit of being in chat systems with actual reply-mechanisms.
 
8:36 AM
@J.Steen np. We all do it from time to time. In here, given that we move requests, it's probably a good idea to use actual replies. I know that several/many times when looking through the old transcripts, I've had to do a double-take at how things ended up looking. At this point, I've gotten quite used to discounting where there appears to be a discontinuity. :-)
 
@Makyen Hah, fair enough!
 
8:52 AM
@ReblochonMasque There probably should be a meta, so people can find directions on what they should do. But, the result of the meta will likely be: pick a post of your own and raise a custom flag with as much detail as you can. I've done that.
 
9:28 AM
@Makyen The staff are aware of the whole cv spam and profile spam stuff... I think some clean up went on the other night and "things" are being looked at/done to prevent it. So - flagging for now is fine, but probably just noise as there's not much point site moderators getting involved on a case by case basis when we're talking something like 10k+ things could be flagged.
 
@JonClements Thanks. I'm glad to hear that they're aware of it and something is in process.
 
@JonClements but can mod clean up that stuff or do you need staff?, hence is it better to directly us contact link?.
 
@PetterFriberg we can't schedule bulk deletion of 10k accounts for instance... so it's not much use to flag it, as we'll just mark it helpful and let the staff do whatever they're doing. I'd hold off even using the contact form for now for the same reason.
 
@JonClements ok maybe a meta would be good for this issue (if there is not already) @Makyen
 
9:42 AM
Thanks
 
9:55 AM
@JonClements Thanks. That looks like it covers it from a mod point of view. Unfortunately, it's a frustrating situation for all of you. I'd be nice to have a meta that covers it from the user's point of view (e.g. basically: Q: "I found some profile/Developer Story/CV spam. What do I do?" A: "Don't bother flagging right now. It's being worked on, so it can be removed in bulk.").
 
@Enzokie you mean cv the question right? seem to have linked to the answer by mistake.
 
woops :)
I manually type it
 
@Makyen Consider posting it, seems like a good meta
 
@Makyen I think that's a good idea - especially so the Charcoal community and other active flaggers know where to spend their efforts and don't re-raise awareness of something that's already known etc... :p
 
@PetterFriberg @jon Either of you are welcome to post it. I'm at the very end of my day (and woke up early today). I can do it after some sleep, but I don't think I'd be able to finish prior to falling asleep at the keyboard.
 
10:10 AM
I will skip today... no hurry :D
 
Ron
10:24 AM
o/
 
\o
 
11:11 AM
 
11:31 AM
o/
 
@FireAlarm unclear/TB
 
12:16 PM
@FireAlarm unclear/TB
 
12:28 PM
^ sigh - and answered...
 
@Makyen I do see your point. But that would still open the door to flooding with OT questions. Your approach attracts cucumbers, just in case the question&answer gets enough votes. While I don't think all rules here are perfect, strictly enforcing such contents rules are the few barriers which help reducing being flooded here and keep quality at some level (I don't think they will help us forever, though).
 
 
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^NATO
If a question just now had a relatively old answer sent to the VLQ queue but hasn't had answers in 2 months, it's still too old to be posted here, correct?
 
2:18 PM
@EJoshuaS yeah I think the standard metrics is activity date on question (last few days), but again if very troublesome question attracting bad answer on more or less a bit older (now and then) probably is not an issue.
 
@PetterFriberg Good to know - I'll let that one go at that, then.
The other two requests I posted had new VLQ answers posted today
 
I'm not RO but usual people are understanding if the request has sense and explanation.
 
Plop folks
 
I'm curious about why this answer ended up in the VLQ queue - it seems like an actual attempt at an answer.
 
@PetterFriberg You were RO, weren't you ?
 
2:29 PM
@kayess Nah
 
@PaulStenne question emerges: WHY NOT?!?!?!?! : D
 
We'd never accept him, he'd make the rest of the team look bad
Oh... The cat is back
 
@PaulStenne Always late to the party, but: Plop!
 
Plop honk =D
@Mogs it's done
> Harold is my textbox Ive spent so much time on this I had to name the little fella.
I have legit respect for this. When I spend time on issues I mostly want to axe them down and destroy their whole family, not name them.
 
^^^ So that explains the change of identity then... I knew it had to be something! :p
 
2:41 PM
Oh hey good timing Jon
Just some cache propagation to go
 
@PaulStenne plop
 
@EJoshuaS Because people keep flagging code-only answers. After 15 revisions it's definitely a good answer now
 
I'm so sad, all interesting GDQ runs (to me) were very late at night =(
 
Super Mario Galaxy is on right now
the Ori run last night was SO GOOD
 
SMG is okay yeah
I'm liking the optimisations
Wait it's 3h for Any%? This game needs more TASing
 
2:58 PM
@JonClements and here I was thinking it was about the attack in the park that lead to being plopped into the spearrel protection program.
 
@Nkosi oh... that was the previous incident...
 
wait...there's more?
oh has he been busy. I can't keep up.
I guess the park incident was so last year's news. lol
when will we learn? Do not approach spearrels with PHP questions.
 
Does one even need anything after spearrels there? :p
 
lol
for real.
just avoid them on the whole
 
@Nkosi Some disguise themselves though... be vigilant! You never know if one's close by waiting to pounce!
 
3:15 PM
They're clear about it being their site... but why did they have to tell everyone what the coupon code is...?
 
3:36 PM
I'd like to ask a question on SO. I'm totally nervous. I hope I'm not going to sh*t my pants...
 
@honk Maybe pick a different term for how nervous you are...
 
@honk You should be!, we are all standing by.... read to click :D
 
@Machavity It was the mildest term I could come up with ;)
 
it's always easier to criticize then to actually do the work...
 
@PetterFriberg At least at should be on-topic...
 
3:40 PM
It will be fine snickers :)
 
... I'm ready with unclear :D
 
Ron
What is C1 seniority if that's even a thing?
Is that some widely adopted nomenclature?
 
@Ron I vote that last comment as unclear
 
Ron
@Nkosi I thought so too.
@PetterFriberg Awesome.
 
3:42 PM
@PetterFriberg binding spam flag ready! :p
 
The whole gang is ready and waiting for that question. It is now safe to go ahead.
 
time is ticking... honk is idling...
 
no he's changing pants
 
I will still polish the question for an hour or two. Started compiling the question in October by the way...
 
3:45 PM
And Plop again
 
Ron
If anyone is running low on snake oil I can recommend a good producer. I even had the pleasure of meeting the plant owners.
 
The old Kyll avatar is back!
 
dun dun duuuuuun. Heeeeeeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaaack
 
@honk You need a faster computer obviously :)
 
3:46 PM
\o
 
WOO HOO..... WOO HOO /me runs around the room in joy WOO HOO
 
/me pets Jon
 
@JonClements Jon be like
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Ron
Haha.
 
@JonClements or a computer without latest anti-intel patches ...
 
3:48 PM
@JonClements Maybe I just need more confidence ;)
 
Jon B Good. Couldn't miss it :\ If any of you remember rock'n roll classics...
 
@kayess Anti-Intel? Wasn't it Intel (and other CPU devs) who actually messed it up?
 
11.111 helpful flags... now Jon can nuke me and I can walk in peace
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Congrats!
 
Ron
3:58 PM
No winners in nuclear war.
 
Cockroaches would win
 
@Mogsdad Ah, I thought it was being burninated after cleanup
 
@Ron Or tic-tac-toe
 
@Machavity the only winning move is not to play... would you like a nice game of chess? :p
 
@JonClements Jon must be your middle name, Joshua ;)
 
4:09 PM
:)
Use to be "Falken" but changed it to hide as a puppy on my little island
 
@Machavity I'm not sure Ronald Dumb would agree with that - "I loose all the time playing TTT against me"
 
@Olaf Oh it's possible to win, but it's also a movie reference
 
@Machavity Yeah, I should have read the next post. Tht's one of my favourite movies. There is another one youtube.com/watch?v=tRcv4nokK50
 
Can't believe it was 1983 or something - wow
 
@JonClements You're old for a dog o.0
 
4:24 PM
You're pink for an elephant... o.0
5
 
That's just my baby-colour
 
That's the alcohol talking
 
I'm still hungover from 3 days straight drinking till 01:00 in the morning earliest
 
Ahhh... strange... David Attenborough completed missed any mention of that... he's obviously not as good as I give him credit for...
@Adriaan Careful - you might end up turning yellow with jaundice drinking like that! :(
 
5:05 PM
Woah. My underarms are waterfalls...
 
@honk sounds like the start of a riddle? :)
 
@JonClements That's it. Who am I?
 
someone that should look at antiperspirant? :p
 
@JonClements I already ate two of those. No help...
 
or who just got out of the shower/a pouring rain/the swimming pool
 
5:08 PM
@Adriaan logical but lacking the mocking humour...
 
@Adriaan It is related to my previous comments...
 
5:43 PM
@TylerH Nope. I was thinking about what really differentiates a tag cleanup from burnination, and I think it comes down to this: When we're cleaning up a tag, we're identifying the minority cruft and either fixing it or closing it, so what remains in the tag is useful and on-topic. In Burnination, we triage questions in a tag to find the rare gems, separate them from the tag while improving them, and then call in Fire and Fury to eliminate the rest.
A month ago, I would have gone with a quote from Linus, along the lines of "This tag isn't half-bad, Charlie Brown. It just needs a little love!"
 
Why not go with such a quote now?
 
Different news cycle.
 
Ah.
 
Yay! Spearell is back!
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5:47 PM
Do you get the Charlie Brown Christmas tv special in English over there? Enough to recognize the quote?
 
I don't watch TV.
 
...unless it's hooked up to a gaming console?
 
I don't have the room for a console in the dorms...
 
6:10 PM
@PaulStenne 'cos they're so massive these days - wish those pesky games consoles didn't take up entire rooms like 1960's main frames! :(
 
@Mogsdad Yeah, a clean-up should always precede a burnination, but not every clean-up has to be followed by a burnination
I just skimmed the cleanup meta post so I thought it was intended to precede a burnination
 
Wowsers - some Nina Simone playing with my playlists on random - this could be a Nina night - forgotten how brilliant she was.
 
never heard of her
 
blasphemy! You've probably heard her music - just not known it was her...
 
6:25 PM
let's check
it's quite possible
Was she the original singer/songwriter of Feeling Good? I've heard lots of covers of that
everything from Sinatra to Bublé
 
One of the more recent ones I remember and actually quite liked was Sonique did a disco version "I put a spell on you"
 
I think I have probably heard several of her songs, just covered by other singers
 
@TylerH yep, "Feeling Good", "Ain't got no I got life" and "young, gifted and black" are probably the most well known ones
Wow... Nina Simone to Jay-Z and now the theme to Never Ending Story - I'm more intrigued on what's coming up next than listening to anything :p
 
6:41 PM
@JonClements I remember when the original Xbox launched. There were lots of people who noted it was as large as a Japanese end table
 
Bah... nothing was wrong with the Atari 2600 - graphics and sound were far superior...
 
Ron
I remember a time when 4MB of RAM was considered a luxury.
Thank Spaghetti Monster those days are over.
 
Oh.. is it another 'Retro Day'?
 
... and using different boot disks to get something to run depending on what conventional, extended or expanded ram it needed... those were the days! :p
 
Ron
And those cathode monitors... You kids have it good nowadays.
 
6:46 PM
@MartinJames appears so - let's talk about the pros and cons of using 9 track tape as storage :)
 
Ron
Spending 2 hours in front of that cathode abomination was guaranteed to give you a splitting headache.
 
@JonClements what radio station are you listening to ?!
 
@JonClements lol, all Hollywood computers had such drives until recently. In fact, for a long time, only Hollywood had such drives:)
@Ron Did you try lowering the brightness, (eg. to a level where you could not see your own code at all:).
 
Ron
@MartinJames Haha, exactly.
 
@TylerH Just mp3s I copied from CDs on an external HD
seemed like a good idea before Spotify and co... sighs
Probably could have saved a few quid from not buying something stupid like 15k CDs over the years
 
6:56 PM
@TylerH It's called Jondorafy
 
@Machavity you've never worked in marketing before? "puppyify" is the obvious cool sounding name :p
 
@JonClements Probably should throw a baby and monkey in just for good measure
 
bah... ManBearPig - that's what's needed
 
@JonClements Music, games or films? (I assume you didn't buy empty CDs).
 
Music... also had a ~2k-ish DVD collections - so thanks netflix and amazon for ruining that one as well
 
7:10 PM
@JonClements I also wasted a huge pile of cash on DVD films. Still, made me feel better about getting an avi version later from umm. .. some site that indexes things and uses a protocol.
 
Ron
Haha
 
I did consider ripping the DVD's but... all that work....
 
Ron
@MartinJames Criterion has a huge collection of remastered masterpieces.
 
@Martin I'm going to console myself that with a certain orange looking person leading the free world, I might have to sell all land top assets and get a nuclear bunker with some equipment that plays CDs and DVDs/blu-rays and then I can live out the days... :p
 
lol!
 
7:13 PM
and then it was a good investment! hahahhaa... puppy has the last laugh or something :p
 
@MartinJames: I don't consider these a waste. I ripped all my DVDs (HDDs aren't really expensive). I don't like the idea of Netflix&Co spying on when and what I watch permanently. Additionally I can use the device/OS/software I prefer.
 
@Olaf you're worried about that when you really should be worrying about the colour coordination of the shirt and trousers you're wearing? sheesh :p
 
@JonClements I resolved that problem many years ago already :-P
 
Ahh... must be an archive feed rather than a live one - I should check timestamps in future :p
 
@JonClements Much simpler when you WFH; nobody can see below the shirt, so you don't have to coordinate. Or get our of your jammies in the first place.
 
7:24 PM
@Mogsdad absolutely :p
 
@Mogsdad I heard of a guy who loves to WFH, because then he can wear nothing but a bow tie :)
 
So there we were, standing with our toes right on the line. "Should we go over it, or has it been enough to see it?" Then honk said...
 
@Mogsdad Nah, that damn line that is always too hard to see ;)
 
Meh, you're dirty ol' men, folks. I didn't have that in mind. (not that it is a bad idea …)
 
8:26 PM
@Jean-FrançoisFabre Looks like it was just updated
 
8:44 PM
@Steve How is that not related to programming?
 
Ah, well I see your point, probably I should have said "not related to a programmin problem"
 
What's the recommended approach to questions like this? They're intentionally trying to spoil the answer for others. Should a mod flag be involved, or simply closed/roomba/vote to delete?
 
what do you mean by "trying to spoil the answer for others"?
 
Also, what if he approached that question the correct way, via asking a question (That may just happen to be the exact challenge question), with his posted answer?
It appears to be some sort of challenge. Others that google for spoilers, how to solve it, would stumble on this post.
 
I voted to delete. Not a question really. Almost borders on spam but it's not really promotional in the same way
 
8:54 PM
eh, I wouldn't be that concerned with it. Any "challenge" references should be edited out, not because you want to protect the answer from others but because it should not matter when answering
I'm sure you can find an Advent of Code questions here
 
WHAT!? One does not spoil advent of code questions...
 
@FrankerZ I would have prefered it wasn't updated :)
 
9:21 PM
My forward-slash key is dying. Needs about 30lbs pressure to work, but I'm a touch-typist.
 
@Mogsdad If it's not mechanical, we'll make it mechanical!
 
@Machavity :( The Boy took the mechanical keyboard to Uni... left me with Logitech wireless. Not bad, but Not The Same.
I have others... but this one is back-lit, which is helpful for off-hours work.
 
I'm sure there are bots that people want to make, myself included. But the lack of chat api is a hard barrier to entry. I'm thinking of making the SOCVR Messages Platform and looking for feedback on my idea or volunteers to help make it.
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cough ^^ @PetterFriberg ^^ cough
 
@Mogsdad You need to remove the pizza crumbs from the contacts. Hold upside down and provide percussive persuasion.
 
9:36 PM
@MartinJames Are you suggesting he divest his hard earned board chow?
 
@Machavity lol
 
@MartinJames Well, I'll be damned. /////////////////////////// \o/
 
@Mogsdad It worked?
 
@gunr2171 nice there are already some libs in different languages that are fairly easy to use. What language are you programming in?
 
I want to do c#, because that's my language of choice (and the only thing I'm really good with). But for this design phase it's implementation agnostic
 
9:43 PM
@MartinJames Yep. Looks like a piece of rosemary, from pizza. i.sstatic.net/DOzHU.jpg
 
uh, I hate that model keyboard
 
And there I was thinking my question would get closed, "general HW"...
 
@gunr2171 you only like to make it work in SOCVR?
 
@Mogsdad lol, it's always good when historical repair techniques are still useful. The precision application of violence, just short of the collateral-damage level, has been the staple of technical repair since forever:)
 
@PetterFriberg initially yes. I'm worried about how much I'll be able to get from SO's pages without hitting some block
 
9:48 PM
@Mogsdad You obviously need this keyboard...
 
Queen runs in almost 10 rooms using web sockets I don't think you have that problem
 
I'm more concerned with getting all historical data of a room
 
Aah loading all old message also?
 
see versions 2, 3, and 5
 
9:55 PM
@gunr2171 nice but I still think you should make it config to use in any room, so others can download, config and use.
 
true. I just want to get something off the ground for myself :)
 
I'm mean not run by you...
 
@Mogsdad A classic:)
 
@PetterFriberg but yes, I'll make it configurable
 
Yeah it would be nice with a pure chat api. Not really sure how I can help, I"m more java (spring) and angular dev., not much c# only some simple dll's now and then
 
10:00 PM
ok. I'm still just tossing this idea in my head, so there will be large changes at some point before I actually get around to making it
 
Anyway I will spread the word. Maybe also charcoal peeps can be interested. Banks is also back deving he just finished a new chatlib in python
He could be really good to talk with since he has tons of experience
 
ok, thanks
 
Put up some stuff as that readme on GitHub and people can drop ideas.
 
will do this weekend
 
10:17 PM
@gunr2171 (et al) - quartata's working on a similar platform that could be extended to cover this use case as well
 
hum... interesting
thanks for the tip
 
11:01 PM
Bed time again. Good night! \o
 
11:26 PM
Question: Is a migration assist request appropriate to ask here? There's an excellent SU question that was mistakenly posted here by a <100 rep user, and they're collecting DVs because it's off-topic. I'd like to get it migrated before it becomes a bad experience for the user. (Meta would be correct place, but far too slow and might have the wrong effect.)
 
@KenWhite Why not post a cv-pls with migration to SU as the reason? Once it's closed as that reason, it's automatically migrated.
 
Hi all! o/
 
@KenWhite If you voted to close as "general computer", then please retract your close-vote. That reason currently has 3 votes, which will be binding, no matter that others select migration.
 
@Makyen I did, but I was hoping I could get more migration efforts. Most recent posts are closed as off-topic only (top choice on initial close dialog) rather than going to Off-Topic, belongs on another site, su. (Same mistake I just made myself. I'm retracting mine now. This post should have been worth the extra effort.)
 
@KenWhite OK. Good. There are now only 2 "general computing" and 1 migrate (mine). It'd be nice if we could change the reason we VtC, instead of only being permitted to retract. Hopefully, people will VtC migration, instead of the easier "general computing". OTH, actual migration is a much less common thing, as it should only be done on questions which are of a quality sufficient to survive on the destination site.
 
11:43 PM
@Makyen Thanks. FTR, I totally mucked up my handling of this post. I cleaned up my comments to it so as not to confuse things. (They were encouraging to the poster, but don't need to be migrated too.) Those comments were well received (actually, extremely well). I'd really hate for this user to be discouraged here by a bad experience for this simple mistake.
 
@KenWhite np. I noticed you cleaned up. That's good. You might want to add a note like 'Close voters: Please vote for migration to Super User, not just "general computing", as this question is appropriate for that site." If the close reason ends up not being migration, a custom flag can be raised. I'll try to keep track of it when/if the close happens. In any case, I've scheduled my revisiting it in 2 days to check on it.
 
@Makyen Done, with a little added text to appropriate for that site. I appreciate the assist and the personal follow-up. Like I said, the poster made a sincere effort and has been very polite. I'd hate for this to not be treated appropriately here.
 

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