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4:00 PM
ISTR he was better before? I had a run in with him lately, he seems drunk or something.
 
Can anyone put themselves in a position to teach another if they themselves don't fully understand the scenario?
 
Possibly stressed or something, who knows.
 
@Als this comment made me downvote. If you feel that way, this answer should have been a comment — sehe 14 secs ago
 
20:45 ! gmt + 1
Sweden vs Ukraine
 
EitanT is now going on in tangents.
 
4:03 PM
There are people like that.
 
"Feel free to be judgemental and downvote." Well if you insist..
 
Sometimes, this chatroom feels like a beacon of sanity in the sea of vomit that is the C++ tag.
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@Als You are being very rude and offensive and completely un-useful. Please stop acting as such and present yourself as an adult and someone who has earned that 63.8k rep, not a 5 year old child throwing a tantrum. — Drise 34 secs ago
 
LOL. What other languages have you been browsing around lately?
 
@EtiennedeMartel +1, nice
 
4:04 PM
Feel free to star it if you want.
(I'm such a star whore)
 
@Drise I'm sure that'll talk some sense in him. *rolls eyes*
 
@Neil I know, but I had to.
 
@Neil +1
 
@Drise I was tempted to say teh same, but I figured he wasn't worth my time.
 
@SteveJessop I reckon it's an oversight. 'Luckily', there is a law against specializing it for std::tuple, so the next standard can include it :) — sehe 7 mins ago
what is the lastest consensus? ^^ std::hash<std::tuple<...>> oversight in standard?
 
4:06 PM
Totally.
 
Yikes. Well, we did kinda want the standard to be ratified at some point.
 
@EtiennedeMartel: "SO is more than just getting rep" it seems you are trying to indicate that I am a rep-whore, thanks for undermining my efforts over past one year to help others and tagging them as rep-whorism.I stopped posting here once and I shouldn't have really started again. — Als 44 secs ago
 
Damn. We can't even temporarily fix this.
@Drise To be honest, I don't know where @EtiennedeMartel got the 'rep' theme from. I don't think that was warranted
 
Meh. Fix it now, let the DR catch up later, then some distant standard can include it.
 
@sehe It's a general feeling I got after seeing that guy's posts. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
4:08 PM
@Drise: Please make yourself at home and useful to others if you can. – Als 29 secs ago
What is that supposed to mean?
 
@sehe What is there a law?
> A program may add a template specialization for any standard library template to namespace std only if the declaration depends on a user-defined type and the specialization meets the standard library requirements for the original template and is not explicitly prohibited.
 
@Drise Also, throwing a tantrum was on Seth Godin's blog of today, titled "How To Succeed"
@RMartinhoFernandes I always understood user-defined type to mean that, not the stdlibrary types
 
@sehe That doesn't match other usages in the document.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You looked at more posts? I think of Als as a respected contributor
 
The standard often uses "user-defined type" as the complement of "fundamental type".
 
4:11 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Dim light in the back of my head. I think we discussed this before, in this room
 
@Neil "Stop preaching me"? Wtf is he on?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes So, you can. But then, it is really easy to accidentally the ODR
 
I do agree that the document lacks that particular definition.
 
@Drise Well, perhaps we could stop preaching him. That could help
 
4:11 PM
@sehe Me too. But sometimes I feel like he's trying a bit too hard to post. But, yeah, I probably went too far with that.
 
Ah well. Stuff happens on the nets. I flagged a comment, a mod might look into it someday
 
I flagged the whole answer.
 
@sehe Agreed, let it die. He's clearly on something.
 
oh an argument on the interwebs
 
As usual, I'm right on the Internet.
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4:14 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Like winning the special olympics...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Only on the Internet? I am disappoint
 
edlin.
 
If I may, is it wrong to ask people to upvote?
 
4:15 PM
@sehe Is there any other option.
 
@Drise I don't feel that comment was justified. It is only insults to an accomplished member of the community and does not add in any way to the discussion. Please remove it.
 
Very very.
 
@Drise protip: if you want to flag an answer for pissy offtopic comments don't try and contribute to the noise. Flag and move on
 
Als
@EtiennedeMartel: So am i a rep-whore?
 
Yeah!?
Be always right, like me?
 
4:15 PM
@Drise It generally depends on context. There's nothing wrong with poking users who you believe don't know how voting works.
but experienced users like me are more likely to downvote you for asking for upvotes
 
@Als He already apologized... for precisely that, IIRC?
 
@DeadMG are you trying to teach him our tricks :P
 
@DeadMG And if so, adding a link to the FAQ is a good idea.
 
@Drise you and Etienne de Marte called his motives into question, implying that he's a bad person, and you guys made him mad. I agree that it's a bad answer, but disagree with what you guys are saying to him. (and the ways it is being said)
@Als not IMO
 
@MooingDuck Especially because there are other similar answers there.
 
4:16 PM
I'm not getting into this, cause the Robot already says he's right, so what the hell
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@MooingDuck @BoltClock The comment stream has been removed entirely. Sorry for not using better judgement.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm not in it, btw.
 
@Drise Yep it's alright. Just thought I'd advise. Thanks for the flag
 
Als
@sehe I didn't see any apologies coming my way, except the accusations in the comments there
 
@RMartinhoFernandes but you said you were right :P
 
4:17 PM
@BoltClock I try to do my part :D
 
I think I'm somewhat with Mooing. Although I seriously did think the attitude in "I'm not spoonfeeding" warrants a downvote, since that confirms that he didn't actually want to answer the question there. He wanted to make the OP think. Comments are for that.
 
@sehe I can't find an apology.
 
I assume all of you can't wait for awoodland to be elected? :)
 
4:18 PM
@sehe that was my opinion. Not a good answer. maybe a downvote. But I did not agree with the attitude in the comments at all.
 
finally a C++ moderator
 
@Als There were, but were purged before you could see them.
 
Als
If after a year of efforts I am being branded a rep-whore, i guess its pretty much disappointing
 
It's a shame he didn't make it last election
 
Luckily I still managed to screen shot it :)
 
4:18 PM
@TonyTheLion Yay! Blue-name people.
 
@Als but I thought we were all rep-whores? :P
 
@Drise Blue people
Smurfs
 
Does a C++ knowledgeable moderator translate to less moderation from mods who don't know the subject?
 
LOL
I saw that
 
What kind of practice is this?!
 
4:19 PM
Me too :)
 
@Potatoswatter Maybe, maybe not
 
@Potatoswatter It probably translates to them consulting with him in case of doubt. Which is only a bad thing for awoodland.
 
@Potatoswatter not intrinsically.
 
Declaring usings before other includes may have unwanted side-effects. I strongly advise against it. — Konrad Rudolph 18 secs ago
 
Als
Guess, Im out of flavor suddenly
 
4:20 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Why bad?
 
@Als don't get so serious and worked up about it, it's the internet, remember?
 
@BoltClock responsibility = bad
 
@Als In your year of contributions, you've never had a bad day?
 
Als
@TonyTheLion Yeah its internet and I don't need any of it
 
@BoltClock Not bad in a bad way.
 
4:20 PM
@Als Time to rub yourself down with strawberries.
 
@Als what's going on?
 
@Als If it makes you feel better, scroll up, e.g.:
10 mins ago, by sehe
@EtiennedeMartel You looked at more posts? I think of Als as a respected contributor
 
Als
One difference of opinion and heck people run me down as the bad guy
 
@TonyTheLion he posted an answer that many of us considered "bad", and then several people from the C++ room made rude comments on it.
 
Als
So much for the respected member
 
4:22 PM
yea I know, I saw, but I was trying to cheer him up, didn't work obviously
 
@Als People have already admitted they went too far, man. Sit down and relax, let's talk about... sex?
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@Als You sound like Marvin, the robot.
 
I haven't waded into this, but you might consider reconsidering your opinions before committing to defensive mode.
 
yes, let's talk about vagina's
 
@Als Mmm. 'difference of opinion'. That is one thing, but arguing loudly stating "I'm not going to spoonfeed ..." was a different matter. I don't think that much of the rest being said was very relevant, but hey, that's my opinion again
 
Als
4:23 PM
@sehe That was my perception my opinion as is yours so we differ on that, whos to judge whats wrong and right?
 
20 mins ago, by Etienne de Martel
Sometimes, this chatroom feels like a beacon of sanity in the sea of vomit that is the C++ tag.
 
@Als The internet :)
 
I like this :)
 
@Als Me, obviously.
 
hey guys can you offer me some quick feedback on a interview question? codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/12465/…
 
4:24 PM
@Als True, but there is a rating system. People vote regardless of who is right or wrong.
 
@bughi drive by linking is frowned upon
 
I'm sorry
 
we're all frowning now
 
It's not really drive by
 
Als
4:25 PM
@Neil: Voting is a mass hysteria triggered by mass comments
 
@bughi for(;0;) for(;0;); cout << "*\n***\n*****\n***\n*\n";
 
I plan to spend some time here:)
 
sometimes you just have to let it go
 
:))
 
@Als so it is.
 
4:26 PM
@bughi Hope you have fun.
 
@Als Yes well everyone has their reasons for voting the way they do. Nobody is immune to it. Not even me, who is better than most of you. ;)
 
@bughi be prepared to stick your head in crazy :P
 
for (;;0) std::cout << "clown winking at you";
 
@bughi be warned: everything
 
Als
Rep is not what points show there on the profile, Rep is what is earned. Clearly I haven't earned any of the later, so fuck this whole thing, I don't need any of this
 
4:27 PM
@Potatoswatter yeah but that one isn't valid
 
@TonyTheLion and I thought PHP was our toxic waste
 
@TonyTheLion I've been here before, nothing i can't handle
 
(Is it not still?)
 
@BoltClock PHP/C/Java
 
@MooingDuck What determines validity? I'm not really following the conversation.
 
4:28 PM
so I'm gonna say something really mean about arguing on the internet
> Arguing on the internet is like running for special olympics, even if you win, you're still retarded
 
@BoltClock It is.
 
Javascript is so horrifying it became fascinating, but otherwise it would be there too.
 
@Potatoswatter compiler error
 
ooh, here's another: for(const char*c="*\n***\n*****\n***\n*\n";*c;)for(;*c;++c)cout<<*c;
 
@Als Als, become one of us then. I don't think anyone here really cares about rep.
 
4:28 PM
@Als Take care, then
@Neil True dat
 
@Neil I do, simply because I have so little.
 
@ecatmur Telling people to shove their silly restrictions up whatever orifice they enjoy the least is awesome.
 
@Als you've taken this far too personal, just don't
 
Hmm, it's one year and one week since the hyperboleandahalf book was announced…
 
@TonyTheLion ouch
 
4:29 PM
@DeadMG How did the exam go?
 
@Neil I think he was talking about actual reputation (i.e. how others see you) and not points.
 
Als
@TonyTheLion To be frank. I was dished it out personal. Makes sense i should take it personally
 
@Als What can we do to fix it?
 
@Als that doesn't mean or imply you have to take it personal
 
@ManofOneWay It was fairly terrible, but better than expected
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think people care about the other kind of rep here either. :)
 
I didn't even get a "Prove the formula for this rotation matrix". I got a "What axis does this rotation matrix formula rotate around?".
 
@Potatoswatter :)
 
and then the idiot lecturer asked me to write an expression for some thing rotated by 2pi. And I'm like "2pi is identity rotation around any axis or point, nubbins!".
 
Als
@RMartinhoFernandes Nothing its fine. It feels bad when your efforts get undermined by some of the very people you hang out with.
 
4:31 PM
@DeadMG Hope you gave him a slap upside the head for that.
 
@DeadMG Did you write "nubbins"?
(I probably would, if I used that word as often as you do)
 
@Als LOL. Undermined? Is that really the term you're reaching for?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Not directly.
 
That does not make you sound good. Stand on your own feet.
 
@Neil I think we do actually.
 
4:32 PM
@Neil The guy deserves a kick in the face for more than that.
 
@Als If its anything, I do apologize for my lack of better judgement and poor behavior on my part.
 
@Neil Who here wants to be seen as a jerk when they aren't one?
Well, except for the puppy.
 
@Neil Hmm. I do. A little. Regardless, actual rep is not lost by botching an answer. Actual rep is harmed by fighting over it.
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@RMartinhoFernandes Hey, even I resent being seen as a jerk when I'm not being one.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Obviously nobody, but we're still anonymous
 
4:34 PM
@Potatoswatter oh right, I forgot that the condition of a for loop evaluates to true if it's empty. Sorry about that.
 
@DeadMG Hmm. Yeah, that's probably true.
 
@Neil I'm far from anonymous. You can find out more about me by Googling "Drise" than my real name.
 
@DeadMG So acting like one is actually self-protection
@Drise So, better give me your real name, then, or I'd have to start googling 'Drise'!
 
@Drise we have your location, but I was unable to find your real name, or any other information besides your minecraft account.
 
Nobody thinks of themselves as jerks, and most likely, nobody is, simply that there's a big difference between sounding like a jerk and being one. Difference is how people perceive you.
 
4:35 PM
@Neil I use my real name here. The only thing I changed was add the "R." honorific at the start.
 
@DeadMG really?
 
try facebook/drise
no one thought of that?
 
@TonyTheLion Of course
 
Honorofic - horrific gonorrhea :)
 
@DeadMG oh wow. TIL
 
Als
4:35 PM
This leaves me a bad taste, And and I don't need any of it. I will not post again henceforth on the C++ tag. Bye.
 
@sehe Nah, it's actually less than you think.
 
I thought you enjoyed the thought of being a jerk :P
 
@Drise I found a lot of stuff posted by drise that wasn't you. I'd found the facebook, but didn't know if it was you or not.
 
if I call the robot a motherfucker, he'll probably ignore it, so I can just blow off some steam
 
4:36 PM
Salsa cookies, windmill cookies, they gave you gonorrhea!
 
and most of the rest of the time, the other guy did something to deserve my attentions
 
@MooingDuck My boss googled Drise and found out a lot about me (found it from my email address)
 
but you're innocent?
 
@DeadMG I "insult" you often as well. It's not like we do so seriously.
We both know it.
 
indeed
 
4:37 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Just associations. Honorofic. Home in Tenerife? See, larger Lehvenstein Distance.
 
which is why I prefer your company
 
I insult the puppy
because I can :P
 
you're terrible at it
 
and I'm a Lion, so my paws are much bigger than his
 
Get on mumble. Be insulted by the puppy in a sexy British accent
 
4:38 PM
@DeadMG that's a good thing or not, depending on how you look at it
forgot about Mumble
 
@MooingDuck Most are just impostors trying to be as awesome as me. :D
 
@sehe I'm not on Mumble
 
@Drise one thing I found over and over was this messages.cruisecritic.com/…
 
@DeadMG better get on there :P
 
@MooingDuck Eww..
 
4:38 PM
Can't mumble at work. I need to buy some new headphones.
 
Bah, I'll be back...
 
@BoltClock Lion cubs, I'm a male full grown Lion
 
@TonyTheLion Doesn't matter, you're a lion
 
@BoltClock Awesome!
 
4:39 PM
lol
doesn't matter, had sex
oh no, that's not applicable here :P
 
@TonyTheLion Watching Jericho
 
wat
 
heh, only two people on mumble atm are self-muted.
 
@BoltClock Don't worry. He often does that. Drive any conversation whatsoever into sex.
 
oh gawd, someone who isn't familiar with my notoriety for mentioning "sex" in all kinds of applicable and non-applicable situations
mumble is quiet as fuck
 
4:41 PM
"who"
 
who and whom sucks
 
Who sucks whom?
 
the rules for "whom" are entirely forgettable, and there's no reason for "whom" to exist
 
@BoltClock the other vid is awesome as well
 
4:42 PM
there's no place where it can be "who" or "whom" and one has different semantics
 
I like "whom", sounds sexy
 
they violate DRY
 
lol
Applying DRY to English will end up in disaster.
 
@MooingDuck I can't talk. No connection (of significance) at work
 
@RMartinhoFernandes "end up"?
 
4:44 PM
What? Correcting my grammar? Sacrilege!
 
It will AND up in ... zeroes quite likely
 
@TonyTheLion WTF even is that
 
something entirely pointless
 
4:52 PM
if I have a template<size_t N> Integerand I want to output it with an overload of std::ostream& operator<<(const Integer<N>& i)` I'll need to make it a function template right?
 
@rubenvb Yes.
Is that a meta integral constant type?
 
@rubenvb seems like an obvious yes to me. I feel like I must have overlooked something.
 
@rubenvb How else could you output multiple types? Unless you want to overload for every value of N.
 
@rubenvb Use a non-template friend function.
 
4:53 PM
@rubenvb are you reinventing std::integral_constant<type, value>?
 
@MooingDuck I'm doing a fixed precision type myself, based on a int8_t and an array of uint8_t's.
 
I'm at Integer
 
@Potatoswatter How can it be non-template?
 
Isn't fixed precision for representing non-integer values?
 
4:54 PM
@rubenvb Integer went bankrupt the other week (Dutch: faillissementsdossier.nl/faillissement/513790/…)
 
@Potatoswatter Yes.
 
@Potatoswatter I need two of these if I'm going to do Integer*10^Integer, or something
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Lexically, a friend of a template need not be a template.
 
@Potatoswatter so friend of a template sounds like the most concise solution?
@MooingDuck Exactly why I asked here.
 
@Potatoswatter Ah, I see, declared in-class.
 
4:55 PM
@sehe lol
 
@rubenvb template< int N > struct Integer { int value; friend std::ostream &operator<<( std::ostream &s, Integer const &val ) { return s << val << " * 10^" << N; } };
 
@Potatoswatter Thanks.
now to decide how to output this beast at all.
 
Apple keynote starting!
 

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