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12:00 AM
mm, google translates bridge to "Burijji", dunno what I was expecting :D
 
12:10 AM
that's only used when its part of an English loan word (I think)
 
@Mikhail I think we need to charge them some interest on these words we're loaning them. Of course, any claims about our owing interest on loan words from the French or Italians are obviously specious nonsense.
 
Problem is that we're not English
 
@Mikhail Speak for yourself. "Coffin" is about as English as it gets. The name's been traced back as far as a knight who fought for William the Conqueror.
 
@JerryCoffin Can I see your passport?
 
@Mikhail Sorry, I'm at work, and it's at home. Not sure why you'd care--pretty sure none of it is written in Japanese.
 
12:18 AM
Pretty sure you won't be getting any money when we start collecting interest on English
 
@JerryCoffin I dunno. AFAIK, the word "coffin" comes from the thing that holds dead people. :D
 
Since you are at San Diego, I expect that you speak partially Español @Jer
 
@Mysticial That actually came rather later. Back then, "coffin" and "casket" were still basically the same, and "casket" was still closely related to its root "cask". They all basically just meant a sealed container (though I believe "casket" originally meant a relatively small one).
@Telkitty Even before I lived in San Diego, I was married to a lady from the Philippines--which was ruled by the Spanish for ~6 centuries, which is closely reflected in both her maiden name and her first language.
@Mikhail You're probably right. Any such money would probably go the family estate, which was sold off some years ago.
I believe there's another estate that's still owned by some sort of relative, but a rather more distant one.
 
12:36 AM
@JerryCoffin It is interesting to trace back last names. My Uncle did something similar while were going through my grandfather's things after he died. He found what appeared to be some sort of "ancestory" list. The last thing on the list is my grandfather's name. The next one up is his father. Going up a few more and neither my mom nor my Uncle recognized any of those names.
Supposedly it went back at least 10 generations. I'll have to ask him about it.
 
A neighbour of my parents dug under the fence and causing it to collapse, the neighbour trying to blame on the fence itself
and making my parents to pay half
6+ neighbours, only their side collapsed after they dug a meter into the ground on their side
 
@Telkitty I hate when the fences go out and dig holes. Damned nuisance if you ask me.
@Mysticial Yeah, my younger sister spent some time tracing things back when she was high school age or so. It was pretty easy on my dad's side; she wanted to trace back on my mom's side as well, but that didn't go nearly as well. Mom's Irish, and her maiden name is so common in Ireland that it's nearly impossible to know where to even start.
 
12:59 AM
And it's almost impossible to trace back mother-to-daughter chains because it's usually the father's name that gets passed down. So you'd need a mitochondrial DNA test.
 
1:33 AM
@Mysticial I suppose that could at least theoretically be an option now. In the late 1970s (or maybe just barely into the early 1980s) when she was doing this, I'm pretty sure the option wasn't available at all.
 
1:48 AM
mtDNA is an interesting problem in information theory
It's basically an organism that has been in a fixed environment for a billion years
The coding density is insane. Every single base pair is part of a useful gene. Some are multiplexed where reading the same segment of DNA with an offset produces a different, useful gene
compare to nuclear dna where the vast majority is basically scaffolding for attaching molecular machines or otherwise non-coding
 
@crasic God is wonderful
 
2:54 AM
@ArkadiuszKoćma No deity needed, optimization towards an energetic minima. With static conditions resilience to change is not needed, so redundant information is lost over generations
 
To each their own, I guess :)
 
I don't know where the universe comes from, but everything in it follows knowable and repeatable rules
 
Read the Bible, it'll answer your questions...
 
You are assuming I haven't, too human centric. An expression of our collective egotism. I see no truth in it
It explains mundane behavior while ignoring the vastness of everything else, seems incomplete no?
Either that or imperfect vessels translating perfect speech,I guess
 
> too human centric
well given that humans are God's creation, it's not too unsurprising...
 
3:01 AM
That's a lot of words for not a lot of meaning.
 
1 of 10^27 stars and this is the one that matters most? Egotism
 
Why not?
 
Why not what? Indulge in egotism?
Sure, people are awesome
Nothing in my life matters without other people
Doesn't explain why we are here, just makes us feel better about each other
Which is good in the end.
 
I can't tell who's trying to troll who.
 
Its trolling all the way down
 
3:08 AM
@crasic Why not matter the most?
As far as I know nobody found a Bible on Mars
Maybe if they did, then that'd open up some interrogations, but until then, Earth is clearly the chosen planet
 
They haven't found Rutherfordium on earth either
 
but Rutherfordium isn't a holy book
 
Well, now that I don't agree with
who doesn't like a good chapter of rutherfordium before bed?
 
and let's not even mention the fact that if "rutherfordium" wasn't found on earth, perhaps it's as God intended and humans shouldn't try to find it
 
Which would imply we aren't necessarily special, no?
 
3:14 AM
that doesn't follow from what I said
but anyway - if you don't wanna be special, then don't be vOv
 
> egotism
 
3:55 AM
@crasic Actually, the reasons the density is so high is shared in common with all prokaryotes. Nothing special about mitochondria.
 
4:23 AM
religion is great! ... for controlling others
"on the internet, monitoring your weakness"
 
4:49 AM
@StackedCrooked Caught up on Net-Juu.
Fuck, there's only 1 more episode? Who the fuck makes 10 episode seasons?
 
Sherlock is a crime drama television series based on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes detective stories. Created by Steven Moffat and Mark Gatiss, it stars Benedict Cumberbatch as Sherlock Holmes and Martin Freeman as Doctor John Watson. Thirteen episodes have been produced, with four three-part series airing from 2010 to 2017, and a special episode that aired on 1 January 2016. The series is set in the present day, while the one-off special features a Victorian period fantasy resembling the original Holmes stories. Sherlock is a co-production of the British network BBC and the American...
3 episodes per season
 
5:18 AM
I never know if I'm caught up
(UK Shows)
@Mysticial US Sitcoms ~25 episode season, makes for good background noise
 
chinese TV series could be much worth - some people could be dying for 3 episodes
a story you could have told in 50 minutes, making 50 one hour episodes
 
But then you wouldn't get the detail.
I suppose, at least its a continuous story
 
5:34 AM
@Mikhail No arguments, except with the last point. For example, Loss of information into the nucleus makes it particularly more compact, and in many cases, denser (information) than would be expected of a "wild" prokaryote with the same "complexity".
Someone earlier was complaining about folks they work with that refuse to use mutex/lock for shared variables even when its obvious its needed
I have opposite problem
 
Xeo
6:31 AM
@Mysticial you watching Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryouko / Girls' Last Tour?
 
Yes, but I'm behind.
 
@crasic It certainly makes it potentially shorter but it doesn't affect the ratio of coding/non-coding sequences. You might be surprised to learn that substantial portions of the effective gene repository can be shared among the population, to the extent that a single bacterium would be unable to survive alone (or more specially, would be unable to metabolize certain kinds of sugar).
 
So VTune has this "HPC Performance Characterization" profile that basically looks at your program and sees how well it does. And it give you warnings when something looks bad. However...
 
However: no mpi support, so its not HPC
 
1. It bitches at you if your CPU utilization is less than around 90%. For fucks sake, I have to navigate a fucking UI to start the computation. And it counts idle time waiting for cin as an "inefficiency".
2. It assumes that every HPC application is floating-point. So it bitches at you if you use anything less than like 50% FPU utilization.
 
6:37 AM
1 is legitimate, io stalls or mpi_recv waits are major bottlenecks
 
3. It doesn't take into account for hyperthreading when calculating your FPU utilization. So even if the application is 100% floating-point, you can never get above 50% utilization if you have HT on. (since it thinks all cores are real cores)
4. It assumes that all FPU applications are 100% FMA'able. So if your code is all addition, you can never get above 50% FPU utilization (25% with HT).
IOW, it always bitches at you.
@Mikhail I would presume it can't distinguish waiting for user input from waiting on network or I/O.
 
Clearly your code sucks.
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In the "General Exploration" profiler, it bitches at you if:
 
@Mysticial If it makes you feel any better, I think Intel recently outsourced the division to Poland (or maybe Eastern Europe)
 
1. You're "back-end" bound, meaning that you're memory or latency bound.
2. You're "front-end" bound, meaning the instruction feed can't keep up.
 
6:42 AM
"gui" bound
 
If you fix both of those, you will get very high "instruction retirement" since you're keeping everything busy in perfect balance. But then it bitches at you for that because it wants you to "change your algorithm to use fewer instructions" - which includes vectorization - even though I'm already 100% AVX512.
There's no running away. It's like somebody is getting paid for the number of warnings it can give out.
 
Perhaps your code will always be bound?
Didn't you write some kind of FMA throughput test? What did it say on that?
 
@Mikhail Yes, I ran FLOPs (AVX512 FMA) through it and it showed exactly 50% FPU utilization.
 
(turn off your hyperthreading)
 
In the function analysis, it randomly bitches at you for functions with very high CPI (cycles per instruction). It's random because it may bitch at one function, but not another function with an even higher CPI.
Even though the FPU utilization thing is useless, it does give per-port utilization. Which shows in the high 60% for ports 0 and 5 (the two AVX512 ports). Which isn't bad since it the shit is memory-bound anyway.
 
7:00 AM
there is only one person who is bitching about things here
and it's not me this time, surprisingly ...
 
wtf
 
7:53 AM
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A: I am a computer’s nightmare, but a programmer’s best friend

Assfuck69Visual Studio I am a computer’s nightmare, Because it takes a ton of time to compile even simple programs but a programmer’s best friend. It does make finding and checking errors easier I am both the cause of a problem and the source of its resolution. Sometimes gives idiotic errors, solution...

 
 
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9:09 AM
TL;DW Rust and Go are basically the same language O_o
 
So... Google vs Mozilla?
 
Hm, I never thought about it that way...
 
@fredoverflow wat, Go has generics now?
 
No, but the Rust team decided to ditch Generics, since their complexity got way out of hand.
 
amatures
 
9:19 AM
Rust is basically LISP now, but for systems programming.
LISP = Largely Irrelevant Systems Programminglanguage
 
((((((((((((((((((((("yay"))))))))))))))))))))
 
(<< std::cout "yay\n")
 
 
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11:47 AM
I love SQLAlchemy tracebacks...
 
 
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nwp
2:28 PM
The translation thing for Qt is pretty awesome. It apparently breaks on raw string literals but when it doesn't it's super neat.
 
@nwp the PyQt version has a few problems with polymorphism though :/
 
nwp
3:09 PM
Anyone like regular expressions?
Since it says "On Windows, you may use your favorite compiler" you could declare msvc to be your favorite compiler, but expect to be accused of lying or having terrible taste. — nwp 18 secs ago
Apparently I'm pointlessly hating now. What have I become?
 
4:05 PM
@Morwenn I believe you
 
4:17 PM
@sehe eh, at least in two weeks I'm done
 
@nwp MSVC is the worst compiler, except for all the others
 
4:34 PM
"Oh my God, why did you scotch-tape a bunch of hammers together?" "It's ok! Nothing depends on this wall being destroyed efficiently."
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@Feeds idgi
 
5:02 PM
@nwp Speaking of being accused of having terrible taste... :-)
 
5:19 PM
anyone watched justice league?
@thecoshman actually most of the money on which Mozilla survive come from Google
@fredoverflow with enough macros you can have this (std::cout << "yay\n") But why do what when you can simply write (std::cout "yay\n")
Mozilla being funded by google is simply a way to prevent a monopoly... Imagine basically all web browsers except firefox and IE are using webkit
 
5:37 PM
thank God, no
 
6:04 PM
@Morwenn that sounds definitive - changing jobs?
ldd, not 1dd. You "get the same error messages" - what. You realize that in command1 && command2 command2 never runs if command1 failed, right?. By the way, that's the GCC verions, not distro version. — sehe 5 mins ago
keeping on keeping on waiting on the AwaitedOne
 
@sehe I'm in a SSII so technically I still have a job (my current missions ends in two weeks), but it's likely that they won't find me another mission near my town, so I'll eventually refuse mission elsewhere, get fired, and look for another job
 
7:03 PM
@LoïcFaure-Lacroix erm... ok... but not what was being discussed :\
 
Indirectly google is funding development for rust
 
7:17 PM
vOv sure
 
7:58 PM
@MarkGarcia Personally, I don't understand the Tesla lineup. They had more RAM and better double performance. The more RAM happened because it was actually two cards (which is a bitch to code), and the better double performance isn't something I needed. COGs on the stuff I make has to be 10x, so if we stuck one of these into our instrument it would bump the cost by $100,000 :-)
 
8:32 PM
@Mikhail But the double precision... ... What do you use? SP or integer?
 
single precision for image processing
Even when I did machine learning and other numerical optimization, I've never needed to use doubles
You can typically change your trust step (what the kids call a momentum parameter) and switch to half precision
 
 
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9:54 PM
 Real estate agent told homeowner fake buyer 'died in bombing'
creative ...
 
10:36 PM
what is up, my fellow stackoverflowers
what has been going on since my last visit, friendos
 
@bitcode I care less about what's going on than what's coming off...
 
wow, @JerryCoffin, this lounge is dead! have you considered using that discord application? I've heard old timers are using discord more often than this chat.
 
@bitcode I've heard the same. I went there once, but I found it problematic from a technical viewpoint and haven't gone back.
 
11:11 PM
@JerryCoffin Yup, that's the ticket. Thanks.
@JerryCoffin Is your hairline going south too? =)
 
11:23 PM
@CaptainGiraffe My passport is currently expired, so my hairline (like the rest of me) has to stop short of crossing the border. Living in San Diego, that means none of me can go very far south at all.
 
@CaptainGiraffe that depends on which way Jerry is facing
 

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