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9:00 PM
ffs
 
hue hue hue
 
beeing a student doesnt help xD, 30$ is a lot rn
 
:/ clicking random links and I download a copy of a book
 
dies of curiosity a bit
 
9:02 PM
hello @everyone
 
@getl0st I would prefer it if you supported the author, but definitely read the book
 
need some help on shel_exec()
 
@Patrick bare minimum, buy a used copy
 
@Patrick I need more support than the author
 
9:03 PM
out there in the cold
 
It's actually called shell_exec() with two Ls
did I help?
 
getting lonely, getting old
 
hahaha sure you did
but gonna need a bit more than that
:)
 
@getl0st so what? he spent a lot of time writing a book and it will make you lots of money in the future
 
I am trying to use SOX to concat some .wav files into a single one
 
9:05 PM
Doubt (x)
I live in a shit country
 
shell_exec() is arguably the simplest program execution function, whatever your problem is there's a reasonable chance that it can be solved with a more complex API
 
@getl0st instead of writing another bad framework you could have tried working for money instead? ;)
 
Where programmers are paid less than some1 that works hard
 
what about programmers that work hard?
 
either that or you are looking for > /dev/null 2>&1 & echo $!
 
9:06 PM
Here Quantity > Quality
 
the problem I am facing is my files are saved in a folder and in my controller how i can get the files?
 
should I give the whole path?
 
25k on avg pm glassdoor. that is actually pretty bad...
But you can always apply for remote jobs
(if you are good)
 
@ThW yeah...
 
9:07 PM
or could i use like linux commands?
 
@masud_moni what are you trying to execute and why?
 
@DaveRandom I am trying to use SOX to concat some .wav files into a single one
 
i.e. what do you hope to accomplish by doing this
 
@Patrick as a 17yr old without spare time, there is nothing I can do rn
 
@masud_moni ah OK, it's simplest if you pass the full path in the argument
When you shell_exec() the child process inherits your current working directory
 
9:09 PM
ok let me try that, but why i cannot find any output of the execution
 
20 mins ago, by getl0st
Can some1 please give me an honest opinion about this small "framework" f, be as harsh as you can ( keep in mind that this is for small projects ) https://github.com/getl0st/Fyre/
no free time?
 
atleast it should have shown me something
 
@masud_moni try adding 2>&1 to the end of the command
probably the output is on the child's stderr, that will redirect stderr to stdout
 
@Patrick a remote job requires more time than some shitty framework that made in a couple of hours
either way, no one would "hire" a 17yr old
 
ok
let me try it out first
 
9:11 PM
@getl0st depends on the job, and the complexity of the work
 
I have had this in my head all day and it is driving me round the fucking bend
 
ThW
^... that
 
freelancer.com is filled with indians and their cheap and quick work
Impossible to get a job
 
@ThW I assume that was aimed at @Tiffany, otherwise that's a pretty epic coincidence :-P
 
ThW
9:12 PM
@DaveRandom yeah
 
@getl0st which is why you need to get better first. right now you are not, judging from your framework
find a market that needs developers and build a reputation
 
I never worked in a project bigger than a CMS
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier ^^VV<><>BA
 
you gotta start somewhere...
 
@DaveRandom vObv
 
9:14 PM
@getl0st making excuses won't help your situation
 
not making any excuses
 
you either want to do it, and will do it, or you don't
 
will it help mine?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Can you feel me?
 
today in r11: how we gangbangers welcome people to the programming world :D
 
ThW
9:14 PM
a CMS can be quite a big project
 
@Allenph \o/
 
for example, I keep saying I want to get better with coding, and instead I spend my free time watching funhaus
 
how old are you
@Tiffany
 
30 :<
 
9:15 PM
why not me?
 
mind you, I'm not very good
 
you don't care 'bout me?!!! =(
 
I'm like a second year programmer
 
@getl0st I don't feel bad for you at all. I started my first company in rural North Florida at 15. I wrote some crap code and flinged some WordPress.
 
Do you work professionaly?
 
9:16 PM
@Tiffany I disaggree
 
@Allenph I hate wordpress
 
Get over it and buy a book with the money from Word Press.
Everyone hates WordPress.
 
How can something that bad be soo popular
 
coughlaravelcough
 
9:17 PM
Hi, yeh, this is the PHP room
 
ThW
@getl0st It works for a lot of people
 
anal sex does too
 
Make wordpress themes or go sell drugs on the Dark Web
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Is that an offer?
 
As a generally rule, popularity is inversely proportional to quality, with only a few notable exceptions
 
9:17 PM
I'll take the drugs one
 
You're never going to find a first client and try to sell them on a custom site. It takes longer.
 
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
Go make $500 in 2 hours.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier my situation is that I just ate about 2/3 of a tarte au chocolat, that is working pretty well for me
 
@getl0st It solves a problem, solves it well, and you can do almost anything you (as an author of a blog or maintainer of a simple website) would want with one or two plugins.
 
9:18 PM
Or go work at a grocery store. Your choice.
 
Grocery store wont buy me an M3
 
then get reading
 
^
 
@DaveRandom :O you ok bro? I see that song indeed is taking your mind away!
 
ThW
@MadaraUchiha and a user does not care how difficult it is to change the code, he will never do it.
 
9:19 PM
@ThW Exactly
 
@Tiffany give me an order of books
pls
 
Code Complete!
 
@getl0st Patrick gave you a decent list
 
plez send help
 
Professional PHP - Patrick Louys
 
9:19 PM
@getl0st Go pirate it.
 
ofc I will
 
20 mins ago, by Patrick
@getl0st http://patricklouys.com/resources/
 
ma babe <3
 
ThW
@getl0st not reading but an important step - start unit testing your code.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier honestly at this point I have been awake for nearly two days and I'm not really sure what I'm doing any more, but I am waaaaaaay too caffeine powered to sleep so I am attempting to write code, although I seem to have got distracted by semi-trolling #11
 
9:20 PM
If you pirate my book I'll come to portugal and hunt you down... :D
 
The tarte au chocolat was what served as my birthday cake
 
@getl0st Have you read PHP: The Good Parts yet?
 
which I am totally fine with
 
@DaveRandom how are you alive after two days o_O
 
Oi @Patrick Add Code Complete 2 to your resource list: patricklouys.com/resources
 
9:21 PM
I;ve never read a book in my life
 
@getl0st wat
 
ye
 
@Fabor good point. anything else?
 
not even a children's book?
 
ThW
9:21 PM
@getl0st seriously?
 
@Tiffany a conservative estimate is in the region of 3 gallons of tea
 
@getl0st The best time to read books is, like, 7 years ago. Next best time is now.
 
book as " something more than 20 pages"
 
@Patrick Nah, maybe some blogs.
 
@thw ye
 
9:22 PM
If attention is your problem, audio books are wonderful.
 
ThW
mind blown
 
@DaveRandom have I missed a "Chris got divorced" thing, or am I just overemphaizing the situation?
 
why
we living in the best age possible
books are the past
 
headdesk
 
9:22 PM
no they're not
 
Our CFP is now on it's penultimate day: only two more days to get your proposals in https://cfp.phpyorkshire.co.uk
you have like 2 1/2 more hours
 
since I was a little kid I had internet and my own computer
 
@getl0st then you are an idiot. Only idiots don't read books.
 
ThW
I consider web novels with more then 50 chapters a book as well
 
9:23 PM
He's obviously trolling.
 
did @tereško cracked @Patrick's account?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier no I just had a couple of rough days for a multitude of non-dramatic reasons
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier nah just in a good mood today :D
 
@DaveRandom glad(ish) to read that
@Patrick :)
 
Not trolling
 
9:24 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier no, but I completely agree
 
@DaveRandom Yeah have those a lot since you stopped drinking. Just saying
 
there is no excuse
 
I have loads, wait, I'll get you one
 
@Fabor it's on there now
 
9:25 PM
:P
 
What do you think about this
 
@DaveRandom mother in law was visiting?
 
dependency injector? por que no auryn?
 
wut dat
 
9:28 PM
@getl0st tutorial maybe working through this won't hurt, even though it's a little outdated
(includes auryn)
 
One more question, what framework would you pick for a high traffic REST API?
 
Are you listening at all @getl0st?
 
yes
 
ThW
@getl0st none
 
@Tiffany no, that's whole other impending drama (although sister in law), but I do actually have a weekend of not a lot happening for the first time in a while
 
9:30 PM
@thw
plain simple php?
 
but why
 
@DaveRandom \o/-ish
 
@PeeHaa turns out I'm a complex guy :-P
 
ThW
wrong approach it might be any as well. It depends on the data sources, time sensitivity, ... REST is just a concept on how to make data available
 
9:32 PM
for something like this www.omdbapi.com
 
@getl0st mainly because you know how to architecture, and that frameworks are almost all forcing bad architecture design, oop practices and programming practices down your throat
 
We still all love you though
@DaveRandom :-)
 
ThW
The "none" is from your requirement of high performance - high performance usually means specific implementations
 
Bah, bugs.php.net is down
That means there are no bugs
 
precisely my thinking
 
ThW
9:34 PM
frameworks try to optimize development performance not runtime performance
 
@NikiC That's some solid logic right there.
 
the drawings from this book are priceless
 
hmmm... fallout 4 is 40 dollars
 
@getl0st The programmer memes will change your life.
 
9:37 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you remind me, someone bought me a copy of Fallout 4 and I still haven't played it :X
 
wow
@Tiffany aarrrgrgrgg!!!!!! yiou!!!!!
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Y u no buy used copy? You talking about Steam?
 
ThW
Which build tools do you use? - I mostly use phing.
 
@Allenph yup
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier he bought it for me when it was full price, even... o_o
 
9:38 PM
Oh. I forgot you were master race.
 
@DaveRandom Over here that is the sign for the toilet.
W in WC.
 
@Tiffany that sounds like the kind of thing I'd do to get on the good side of someone
 
I'm on a call right now talking about a 2 month project built on Laravel and the team lead's plan is to "Make a class to abstract the API". I'm completely f*cked.
 
@DaveRandom :D
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier he's a co-worker. I'm not sure that he had any motives... he got it for me for my birthday or something. I dunno.
 
9:40 PM
that's important context there, don't mind me :D
 
@Allenph Just say you need to hop off the call as someone needs to use the internet. Your dialup modem doesn't allow both.
 
ThW
@Allenph in a Laravel project with its fixed dependencies? urgs
 
It's an internet call. ;(
 
Say someone needs to the use phone then.
 
xD
 
9:41 PM
@Fabor lol you still live in the dial up internet age?
I'm almost nostalgic of the sound it made when connecting
 
Pffrt god no. Even in nam the internet is okay.
 
Oh joy. I just found out that it's built on an abstraction layer which is made up of legacy code from an outsourced company.
And that company also created the DB.
 
gosh, would it suck when my mother would get home and use the phone while I was playing sc1
 
ThW
@Allenph Using the ActiveRecord pattern?
 
search for score:..-10 on meta.so and make popcorn
 
9:43 PM
@ThW Active-Record over top of an old codebase built by morons.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier warcraft 2 in my experience :|
 
I dreaaamed of having cable internet
 
@DaveRandom be careful. 4chan might pull another thing and that gets declared a new "white power" gesture
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I had that happen playing online Diablo II. I had finally made it to Diablo which is like an hour checkpoint away and someone picked up the phone.
 
9:44 PM
@Allenph D:
 
@Tiffany cable internet? ewww... get some fiber
 
I feel your pain
 
My friends were pissed because I was tanking.
 
@Patrick I would! if the fucking local telecom would set up in my neighborhood! :|
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier and this is why warhammer 40k is a lot better sci-fi universe
 
9:45 PM
lol
 
@tereško I feel like that picture would serve pretty well to discredit it
 
I've been contemplating canvassing to get people to sign up for it, so they'll start setting up on my street
 
ThW
My mage still has some tank equipment :-)
 
I have 1mbps at my apartment right now with no end in sight.
My upload is 6mbps.
 
@DaveRandom don't you remember what happened with "ok" gesture?
 
9:45 PM
And I'm forced to pay for it.
 
.. or milk
 
@Allenph D:
 
1000/1000 here (or at least somewhat close to that, never bothered to check because my wifi can only do 350 or so...)
 
no but I deliberately keep my finger off that particular pulse
 
I need to set a reminder to pay my friend for internet
 
9:46 PM
... it was reported on CNN
and I am not even joking
 
@tereško You saw that "possible attachment" on USA Today, right?
 
no
is it anything new?
 
hmmm... I'm googling for images of my popcorn machine, but it's so old and sturdy I am beginning to think they got bankrupt
that thing is unkillable
 
well that's 5 minutes of my life I'm not getting back
 
also reading this article
 
I did enjoy "the vegan agenda" though
 
@DaveRandom this is a joke, right?
 
9:55 PM
I assume so
It's actually pretty old as well, certainly predates the "alt-right"
lol I missed this heading before
> U.S. dietary guidelines may be racist
 
damn the cringe is hard
 
not so much a joke as "trolling in real life"
 
@DaveRandom lol, few years ago my dad was going on about how milk was bad for us
 
he had an early scoop
 
my dad is almost borderline alt-right
 
10:02 PM
... well, shit. I really want popcorn now. brb :D
 
lol
 
oh, for suck sake
... I wasn't being THAT serious
 
10:17 PM
@tereško Who is this "four chan" individual?
 
a famous hacker, so I was told by the telescreen
 
@tereško You simply need to apply more dev when the problem is solved. URL respectively.
 
no no no no
I was told that writing those URL things by hand is also called hacking
 
You know? It's a first for me when a person I meet IRL does something that turns into an actual meme for me.
But apply dev when the problem is solved is likely to haunt me to my grave.
 
:D
 
10:23 PM
 
@Tiffany Probably is. I am pretty sure that eating food and drinking anything except water are some of the worst things we can do, except for starve.
 
there are so called "voluntary extinction" movements out there
so, some would say that "starving" is a .. emm ... "net good"
of course, calling those people retarded would be a bad form, since people who are actually retarded would probably see it as an insult
 
@LeviMorrison Take a look at what oxygen does to iron. Now imagine it doing it to your lungs!
 
@MadaraUchiha DHMO
 
@Tiffany Never again.
 
10:34 PM
dun-dun-duuuuuuhn
@MadaraUchiha by the same logic, smoking is harmless
 
@tereško I've had someone tell that to me...
a relatively intelligent dude, completely serious
 
because you are from Murica
 
@tereško I love the "My grandpa smokes a lot and is 98 and healthy!" argument that usually comes up with these types of discussions
 
took it as a personal offense when I said I didn't believe it, and thought I was brainwashed by some hivemind
 
@Tiffany The first time you smoke, you cough your lungs out and nearly puke
 
10:36 PM
@Tiffany USA has an extensive tradition of conspiracy theories
 
How can anyone be so convinced that it's not harmful?
 
there was actually a podcast about it
 
because weightlifting hurts
or something
 
.. gimme as sec
 
exercise hurts
 
10:37 PM
@tereško My current hobby is whenever I meet a conspiracy theorist, to rebuke with an even more ridiculous conspiracy theory than theirs
 
granted, excessive exercise is bad for the body, but moderate exercise is good
 
this is the podcast
 
"The moon landing was obviously faked. Studios in Hollywood"
 
it was actually quite interesting
 
10:38 PM
"Pfft, you believe in the moon"
 
hahaha
 
put it in your "listen to while gaming" list
 
@tereško What do you play that doesn't require focus, allowing you to actually listen to a podcast while playing?
 
path of exile
 
@MadaraUchiha Civ5
 
10:39 PM
> The flat earth society has members all around the globe
 
or basically any RPG grinder
 
@tereško That's fair.
 
these fucktards did not have popcorn grains. I've had to buy that stupid microwave thing
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier :<
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier tragic.
 
10:39 PM
yes
I wanted to use my popcorn pumper 1958
!!!!!!111111
 
@MadaraUchiha the irony hurts
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier then you should have bought beer and some cheese
 
who do you think I am, a barbarian?
ofc I bought beer
 
10:41 PM
> Today I saw a video that really salted my rectal flaps (..)
brilliant
 
@Tiffany I love how the Facebook group's creator had to make a statement that it's a troll group and asked people to stop taking it seriously
 
@MadaraUchiha the irony is not lost on someone who played violin since the age of 5 ;)
 
Because too many people were taking it seriously.
 
I like Critikal but his voice is just so plain -_-
 
> "drowning in pussy when they get back from space"
 
10:43 PM
"NASA cartoon premium emblems"
 
Weak beard game
 
yeah the narrator has really next level insults
 
We're finally getting rid of our horrid custom build for the frontend in my company. Replacing it with Webpack this version.
 
.. and then someone will add jquery
 
That finally opens the door for some of the more serious improvements we wanted to add (and CI)
@tereško They will be promptly fired.
 
10:45 PM
:D
 
Instantly.
 
before or after defenestration ?
 
I believe it's called, "meanwhile"
 
10:46 PM
:D
 
alright, going home
\o
 
laters
from nasa starbucks video's comments:
> In Germany you get fined for not vaccinating your child. Also, unvaccinated children aren't allowed in (pre-)school. I hope I made your day better with this fact.
brb moving to germany
 
I think that works the same in most of EU countries
 
didn't know
here the "pharmaceutical companies are literally stealing our money" movement is pretty strong
 
there might be a similar sentiment here too, but I dont move in those circles
 
10:53 PM
well, tbh, I do believe medical research should not be managed by private interests, but that autism bullshit is scary
 
you mean the "miracle mineral solution"?
also known as "giving your child bleach"
 
I don't know that. am I in for a good facepalm?
 
no, you really are not
there are few things that I find genuinely disturbing, and that's one of them
 
what the actual fuck
 

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