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23:00
Yes, the atomic bomb did force the war to end. But does the end justify the means?
@sehe I have no idea what a deconstructionist is, sorry :)
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Q: Patented or copyrighted numbers

PsyStyleConsidering that a program is at is basic a sequence of zero and ones and that this sequence is essentially a number why can't I copy or distribute some of this numbers? Are some of this numbers forbidden?

lol
I'd say that specific means justified itself
it's only fear of the atomic bomb which prevented WW3 from breaking out
and nuclear physics and general scientific research benefitted greatly
especially quantum physics
not to mention all the energy that was generated with civilian fission plants
Indeed, but still... It's a matter of principle... I mean, does humanity have to gain its progress from the remnants of weapons?
I'd never though I'd say this but I agree with puppy.
Nobody doubts that, Scarlet, it's just a question - is it necessary?
23:02
@DomagojPandža Principle shminciple. Atomic bomb? Good Thing.
One day the price will be too damn high.
and as I said, computers and computational theory were coming about before WW2, not as a result of it
Nobody will be left around to benefit from it.
that's B.S.
@DomagojPandža One day ? It has already been too damn high.
@DomagojPandža HELL, it's remains are still present.
23:03
there will never be a nuclear war, because nobody can ever benefit from such a scenario
since, y'know, the whole planet will basically become uninhabitable
There is one scenario. One dumb motherfucker bombs the US. The US responds.
yeah, right
Not gonna happen, probably.
(hopefully ?)
That's what they said in 1945.
Two cities went boom-boom.
here's another, equally, if not more, likely scenario: 10^10 electrons randomly quantum tunnel into the bombs and set them all off.
23:04
They weren't afraid of retaliation though, @DomagojPandža
@DeadMG ...and nuclear waste products, and contamination of the environment due to nuclear accidents.
Now there's a chance you eat a nuke in your face should you launch one yourself.
They were, it's the very reason Los Alamos was engaged.
Germans were working on it first, a guy caught wind of it and recommended to the US president to start developing their own.
@FredOverflow Very true. However, the final bill for cleaning up all that cannot be truly accounted for until it's done.
Einstein signed the letter of warning, IIRC.
23:05
To undo effects of a nuke :) ?
after all, it is possible that some new technology of the future will emerge that can perform a vastly faster or cheaper breakdown of radioactive byproducts
@DeadMG What is America going to do with its nuclear waste? The Yucca Mountain project has been canceled, has it not?
@FredOverflow No idea, I don't live in America and neither follow nor care what the US does with it's waste.
I've learned time and time again that I give way too much credit to people's intelligence.
all I'm saying is that the final bill for all the waste can only be accounted when all costs are paid
23:07
@DeadMG Sorry, I'm not good at keeping track of who lives where, so I always assume USA first ;) What's the nuclear program of your country?
The bottom line is: Giving credit to military for scientific discoveries is like the Church preaching its allegiance to science because of a few smart people who ended up in their ranks.
@DeadMG and that book can only be closed when all the artificial isotopes are off planet
@FredOverflow Also don't know and don't care, and it doesn't change the point. By the way, most of us are European, not American. :)
@gjpc No, it can only be closed when we have to stop paying for them. The two are not equivalent.
@DeadMG May I ask where you live?
@DeadMG ok ok, when they safely ensconced in the planetary system's fusion reactor
23:10
Amassing nuclear warheads in the counts of tens of thousands knowing that even a small % of the total number would lay waste to this planet worse than the fictional depiction of the Fallout Universe.
@DomagojPandža Good parallel there.
@gjpc Which is also not equivalent to when we have to stop paying for them. At some point, they will be safe enough to release back into the Earth.
@FredOverflow ... why?
my country of origin is no secret here, but I have no idea why you think it's relevant
@DeadMG I wanted to see if you answered with "yes" or your country. I didn't foresee "why" :(
well, I have a country-independent point, and you keep asking for my country, which makes me kinda nervous
Do you live in America or in the UK? — Yes.
23:12
Smart countries don't have a nuclear program (at least in the uncontrolled reaction domain).
Actually I am more worried about the Wolflands and a certain area north of Tokyo than atomic warfare. That is unless you count a successful stuxnet descendent strike on an operating nuclear power plant, you may call that atomic warfare.
Yo, I've got this gun and I ain't afraid to use it, bitch. Yes, I do know it will kill me too.
@DomagojPandža So there are no smart countries?
@FredOverflow What does France do? They're quite big on nuclear energy, especially now that they're feeding Germany as well. AFAIK they don't simply stockpile it.
@RMartinhoFernandes Why are they feeding us now? Our own reactors are still going to run for the next 10 years or so.
23:13
Such a waste of resources into something that cannot be used.
There was even a global agreement signed about not using nuclear weapons (or anything of the sort) in space.
@DomagojPandža We know that now. Not when we built them.
@FredOverflow Well, not right now, but they already commissioned a bunch of new plants. I assume it's to account for that.
So, the Trinity device wasn't proof enough?
truth is that in the current global climate, most Western nations could probably completely disband virtually all standing army
nuclear war is just regular war, but bigger- nobody ever wins
@RMartinhoFernandes I don't think we will need to import nuclear energy in 10 years, but I'm not an expert by any means.
23:14
It's time to go to bed.
War. War never changes.
Fallout #
War has changed.
MGS4 #
stop referencing games in a discussion about real nuclear politics
> The word is nucular!
@f
23:15
"Nuclear politics"
"Stupid humans playing with dangerous toys"
@FredOverflow no the sun is nuclear
@FredOverflow Anyway, my point is, France has been handling it for years without stockpiling on some bunker.
In fact, the US started that stockpiling thing because, for some reason, Jimmy Carter forbade reprocessing.
Personal Manufacturing, what's it about? Besides the "obvious" title.
23:17
> Beta Q&A site for operators of 3D printers, hackerspace communities, and others interested in making physical things with computers.
3D Printers...
I know a guy who has made a 3D printer.
Free sex toys!
I would really like to discuss nuclear politics with you guys, but I gotta go to bed. Can you switch to discussing porn for the next 7 hours, so I don't miss anything in the meantime?
Soon he will be on makers.sx.com ;-)
Radek has already begun.
Hey Domagoj's got an avatar!
@FredOverflow There is no time to sleep.
Must work on Hexapoda.
Real programmers never sleep.
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Q: Can you actually produce high quality code if you are sleep deprived?

loveshI have heard about programmers coding for two days without sleep and drinking coffee and Red Bull. Also in movies like The Social Network, in a scene they show that Mark Zuckerberg has been programming for 36 hours. Also it's said that in companies like Facebook, Google, foursquare, etc. they can...

They also die after a week, but you're right.
I don't even have time to take a dump properly. I've been holding it for a few hours already.
23:20
There was a Chinese guy. was.
He played WoW for two weeks straight in his basement, then died. He had a fridge full of food and milk.
I think it was 35 hours.
@FredOverflow Why was that closed? "09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0" is (was?) a forbidden number
> The movie industry is threatening Spooky Action at a Distance for publishing that number, specifically with copyright infringement
WHY YOU TAKE MY CUSTOM USAGE OF OPCODES?
I SUE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
@RadekdaknokSlupik they increase the productivity of the team. The team must undo all the errors introduced.
I'm waiting for someone to claim ownership of linear algebra.
23:22
I own linear algebra.
Okay, no more time to waste on waiting.
@DomagojPandža TMI.
I can stay awake for days, but I don't since it's bad for my health.
I can stay awake for ~38 hours, but I feel like death.
I once didn't sleep two consecutive nights. I was tired as fuck on the third day.
I once stayed up like 40ish awake, it actually feels as if i were under effect of some "very special shroom".
23:24
I never slept better than then.
Sleep properly, your work will be there when you wake up.
Make sure you're tired, but not deathbed tired.
@DomagojPandža Around that time, I stop caring about how bad it feels.
The first night I couldn't sleep because I sat in a bus (trip to le provence). The second night I couldn't sleep because of the fucking heat.
It was over a thousand degrees.
You couldn't because because you were in a bus? Gosh, I can't stay awake if I'm in a bus.
Kinda sucks because I routinely miss my stop.
It was a 15 hour bus trip and it was kick-ass, but I can't sleep in crowded places with 100000000dB music while in a bus driving on bumpy roads.
Ell
Ell
23:27
Morning guys
I mean, evening
@RadekdaknokSlupik Derp. Didn't know hyperbola could be exaggerated
The guy next to me (my achterneef?) was sleeping with his headphones on. I took the plug out of his iPod and put it in mine. :)
Then I put up this song:
Ell
Ell
Haha
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Q: When parsing line commands in C++, is it necessary to have a separate `int name()` function for parsing?

RedmastifI am designing a chess game using the UCI Protocol. The program requires line commands as input. My question is if I need a function separate from the main() function for parsing these commands, and also how to I get the input for parsing? I realize that char* argv is named in the function para...

Anyone has any idea what this means?
Ruby y u no clamp function.
@RMartinhoFernandes It's about cryptography, I guess.
23:32
> non mythical programming
@sehe Hm?
@sehe just answered, and his answered featured the above phrase.
I didn't want to say 'cargo cult' to his face
Newbs don't know what cargo cult means anyway.
"Do I need a function foobar() to do a programming?"
Should I remove the 'non-mythical' quibb?
23:34
Radek y u waste time in chat and no work on Hexapoda.
I should work on my optimal layout tuple.
cdhowie was a bit late to answer :) But his prose is arguably less dense. His code, however, seems a bit less to-the-point. eof(), really?
@sehe He already rm'd his answer.
Oh gosh, tuple_cat will require massive TMP.
@RMartinhoFernandes It's a tuple of cats?
23:40
No. It concatenates tuples.
But my tuples have the elements reordered to get optimal layout. So I need to mash both tuple types together, reorder them for optimal layout, and then map the old layout into the new layout to copy the values.
Ell
Ell
O.o
What C++ can do at. Ompile time really is amazing imho
@RMartinhoFernandes oh wow, you're still working on that optimal tuple thing?
@Ell TMP is Turing complete.
@RMartinhoFernandes Mmm. That does seem to run counter to my intuition. Does std::tuple not guarantee ordering fields in the order the template argument are specified? Am I wrong?
@MooingDuck Haven't touched it in weeks actually.
23:44
(btw, I know yours is not std:: but, still, I would be wary of PrincipleOfLeastSurprise)
@sehe No such guarantees are given.
If you're wondering get<0>(wheels::tuple<int, int, double>(1, 2, 3.0)) is 1, even though the elements will probably be laid out with double first.
Getting that to work is what makes this so damn complicated.
Okay. That helps. Another bubble popped in my puny brains
@RMartinhoFernandes I wasn't wondering about that part, actually.
FTR, libstdc++ lays them in reverse order.
template<class T, class... U>
class tuple : private tuple<U...> {
  T value;
}
lol
Ha, Eclipse CDT make it a pain to add a custom toolchain.
Ell
Ell
23:46
All idea are a pain imho
It's like not a single IDE in the fucking world actually wants to allow you to specify your compiler of choice.
@RMartinhoFernandes I remember that effect from Andrei's 'dot-dot-dot' talk
Ell
Ell
Ideal for me would just be a GUI for compiling/makefiles etc.
@EtiennedeMartel Emacs!
@Ell Idea? That would be IntelliJ?
23:47
F off. I think I'm ready to start using vim.
lol Emacs as OS shell.
I'm missing a } somewhere. Goody.
Emacs as OS.
FTFY
I'm using std::tuple underneath, with some #ifing to detect which standard library is being used (libc++ lays them in the given order). I think I might be able to come with actual TMP tests for that, but I'm not tackling that yet.
Looking forward to the blog :)
23:49
Hmm. I'm not sure if red and blue look good together. Anybody suggestions?
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Q: Top ten stalkers app

EJ SalsberryThe new app my top 10 stalkers, I was wanting to know if it is able to detect people that are using an encrypted link or secure network?

Black and white everything!
^ oh noes
@sehe WTF is that.
@RadekdaknokSlupik First impression: online ticket system for a extra terrestrial airliner company
23:50
@RadekdaknokSlupik I think it's fine
@RMartinhoFernandes Looks like a failed attempt at a question. On the wrong forum (<-- hah)
You're still running with visible inhuman IDs?
Adding decimal IDs is trivial, but I haven't yet focussed on that.
The ORM I'm using defaults to giant IDs based on the current time.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Are you using git in the way bugs-everywhere does? Where is your CLI interface :)
@RadekdaknokSlupik Oh, guess not then
23:53
CLI interface?
A command-line interface (CLI) is a means of interaction between a human user and a computer program, or between two programs, where the user (or client) passes commands in the form of a line of text (a command line) to a computer program. The command-line interface evolved from a form of dialog once conducted by humans over teleprinter machines, in which human operators remotely exchanged information, usually one line of text at a time. Early computer systems often used teleprinter machines as the means of interaction with a human operator. The computer became one end of the...
I am going to add Git integration later, but I want the ticket system to work first (and maybe I'll add an email interface).
Should be familiar from your homepage design
I have redesigned my homepage. :P
Get a decent wacom tablet
23:55
I did it with a mouse on purpose.
lol, libdaknok is make_unique.
Fukken handy.
Don't disagree.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Also, what is with that font's vertical positioning/spacing?
I can see your mouse pointer!
23:58
> I did it with a mouse on purpose.
@sehe The apostrophes are just part of the font, GitHub and Stack Overflow are your imagination.
I used this font:
LiSong Pro
@RadekdaknokSlupik Oh no. They exist. Also, this screenshot is sufficiently messy but not Turing complete
'Pro'? Must be good then

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