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1:15 AM
The wheel tag probably doesn't add clarification for what you're asking about. — user0042 26 secs ago
 
@user0042 I removed the tag. I don't se any use in it actually. The question is unclear, though.
Ehm, yes, you already cv-plsed, just noticed.
 
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Q: Do we really need to reinvent the [wheel]?

user0042The wheel tag currently has 4 followers and 201 questions tagged. The tag wiki info says: Wheels are round things, that rotate. Many mice have wheels, as do many compact devices where a wheel can be a helpful input device. Consider using more descriptive tags instead however to tag your...

 
1:39 AM
@user0042: Looks like you found another rats' nest.
 
1:59 AM
@Olaf Yup! Just like rats on wheels ;-)
 
@user0042 Aren't those hamsters? I wounder how cucumbers do on the wheel.
I thought you had left the building because I didn't see you often here lately. Good you didn't. Anyway, I'm off to bed. Good night.
 
@Olaf No, no. I'm alive ;-)
@Olaf I'm not sure if that would fit for cucumbers: foodal.com/kitchen/general-kitchenware/…
 
 
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3:22 AM
Somewhere in the SO we have a page where it's possible to look up and plot the time history for tags. Does anyone remember what it was called?
 
 
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4:44 AM
\o morning
 
congratulations @Makyen
 
@SurajRao Thanks.
 
@Makyen Congratulations and welcome as RO.
 
@TetsuyaYamamoto Thank you too.
 
5:43 AM
@EJoshuaS were any comments deleted from there.. looks like an argument is brewing
 
@SurajRao Not sure, actually - I was suspecting the same thing. The question really is unclear, though.
^spam
 
6:07 AM
^^ I wonder if it is a good idea to add the restriction to the editor to prevent one liner questions
 
6:18 AM
@SurajRao No, too arbitrary and easy to circumvent.
Plop everyone!
 
\o
@PaulStenne yeah... I figured circumventing would be easy... just hoping people would be forced to pause before clicking on the ask question button after entering a line like a lot of the questions here.
 
Slow internet is so painful....
 
@Justin :) it teaches you patience
 
@SurajRao When 144p YT videos pause to buffer, patience wears thin
The best thing is that this 144p YT video which was buffering was to watch someone git clone a repository, which clone ran in 10 seconds. Now I am going through the process, and this clone has taken at least 10 minutes so far; still not done
And there's like 4 more pieces to clone \o/
 
wow that's...amazing. I generally prefer a document
 
I didn't find the right place in the document, I used the YT video because I've watched it before, so I was verifying I wasn't imagining things, and it helped me refine my search to find the specific part of the document I needed
Because you can also use svn, and the default documentation was showing svn
 
7:43 AM
Morn \o
 
\o hey
Can someone agree with me on burninating ? 2 questions, both should be tagged , I'll just retag both
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I agree
just retag and let it die
 
@PetterFriberg It's burned :)
 
8:03 AM
@PetterFriberg why have mods deleted answers there? Yes, they are link only, but the Q explicitly asks for it. I thought it was policy to close and delete the question in that case
 
@Adriaan Yeah edge case I don't flag it, I guess it's same as for LQP queue, they did not have context, anyway who cares, close and delete it all :D
I see a lot of these flagged and deleted even if question ask for it
 
@PetterFriberg that's what I gathered. I normally don't flag those as NAA, since in this case it is an answer, however against policy, since the question explicitly asks for it. I usually go with closing and nowadays deleting all the things!
 
Yeah that's the right action, I guess if you like to undelete'em you could bring it to meta or custom mod flag, it's just that I don't really see any reason for that, better to just delete the whole Q/A
@Adriaan LQP queue has also been very aggressive lately stackoverflow.com/posts/47088394/timeline, stackoverflow.com/posts/47053413/timeline and many others (I have been mod flagging for undeletion) if it is answer it's an answer, heck don't delete it.
 
How did you manage to find deleted posts from review? By stumbling across by chance?
 
@Adriaan by going through reports, we monitor the queue and what bot thinks is NAA, I don't find'em all just some and lately I see lots of these many I don't flag because even if it is an answer I just go meeh this looks to crappy (but still it should not have been deleted)
@Adriaan like this stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/17859495 saved by a random upvote and this stackoverflow.com/questions/2308653/… (I'm not sure if to mod flag)
The accept answer seems already to cover the attach command... baah I will let it stay deleted.
 
8:23 AM
@PetterFriberg I edited the latter and modflagged
 
ok, yeah it is an answer...
 
it may be crap and not adding much, but it is an answer
it looked like he was quoting another answer and saying thanks, due to the markdown
 
meeh I think people read to quick the first they saw that OP also had a question, the second they just went blarg what an ugly answer.
 
@PetterFriberg might be so, but then they should've edited, not deleted
 
exactly... instead of searching for why it's not an answer, search for what can be an answer..
 
 
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10:16 AM
\o to all.
 
10:26 AM
@SurajRao One line, one sentence even, is extremely unlikely to present an on-topic question. I would say that even one paragraph, (with no code), is very rarely enough. I challenge anyone to come up with a one-paragraph, (no, not a 'paragraph' that grossly violates English language grammar), that presents a valid, on-topic SO question?
 
@MartinJames off topic? I would say it would end up too broad or unclear...
@MartinJames besides, there are warnings given by the editor in cases of code dump etc... in these cases too it is likely to be closed as too broad,lack mcve(minimal) or unclear
 
@SurajRao That too:) SO should reject such questions before we have to waste votes getting rid of them. I wonder if there's any existing meta about it?
 
@MartinJames I havent been able to locate one yet.. maybe I am missing some keywords
 
@SurajRao Me neither. I will search a bit more, then try a meta post. No doubt, the dupes will then appear by the dozen:)
 
10:54 AM
Something strange is happening with SO today. Spotted several 503 errors
There are only 3 open questions left for current burnination -- stackoverflow.com/…
please help on closing these
 
@VadimKotov They're all gone now.
 
@KirkBeard thanks for this!
 
11:16 AM
@Makyen congrats
 
@JonClements Thanks
 
11:51 AM
@Makyen congrats
 
12:15 PM
Didnt know this was a thing except in movies perhaps :p
@Olaf correct me if I am wrong.. but arent development s/w setup/install issues on topic?
 
@SurajRao You mean something like "how to install the Nvidia drivers?" is on-topic? I disagree. Without further context those questions are not different. But if you feel better, VtC for other reasons, they also lack relevant information.
 
@Olaf no i meant install some xyz library
 
@SurajRao Ehm, the Nvidia driver is also a library. Alternatively you can think about the MSVC++ runtime, DX or ffmpeg on Linux. It is all the same: libraries required to run a program.
Python is not only for programming, but also to run existing programs. Or do you consider "How to install Python" just to run Calibre a valid question?
 
BDL
@Olaf: Isn't the question asking how to install opencv? That's for sure a library
 
Btw. the above questions are from the burnination request meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358966/… There are a lot of bad questions (just in case someone did not exhaust his close-votes)
@BDL Once more: There is no indocator the library is used for programming, resp. the headers needed! (Do we really need to discuss every library? Can't we abstract the concept?) Please read my posts above.
 
BDL
12:26 PM
@Olaf: Is this burnation already started?
 
@Olaf burnination based on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358966/… .. shouldnt we wait till it is done with status-review?
 
@BDL No idea, but I alread run through the questions and removed/retagged where definitively appropriate. It can't hurt.
 
@Olaf You can clean up of course, but perhaps hold on the retagging, that's for when the burnination starts ofc
 
@SurajRao Did I write I started burnnation? Please read my posts carefully again. It can't hurt to review and retag. And all I'm asking here is to CV questions which are clearly OT. The hint about wa mostly to point you (plural) at a resource of bad questions. That's all
@ErikvonAsmuth Why that? If questions are tagged wrongly, retagging is fine, with or without burnination. It's apparently not because I want to gain reps.
 
@Olaf because burnination is a cleanup effort as well as a tag removal. You shouldn't retag unless you're really sure the questions are high-quality, because we might consider closing the question during burnination. And even then, you probably shouldn't do it because it sets a bad example.
 
BDL
12:32 PM
@Olaf: Did you read what-is-the-process-for-tag-removal-burnination, especially: "you must follow the community-led burnination process described below. If required to follow the burnination process, then questions should not be edited to facilitate the bunination until the process reaches step 4: Cleanup & BURNINATION."
 
Also.. this room doesnt take cv requests for old questions unless there is recent activity there or burnination
 
The main prolem with tags is they should be hierarchical. Flat tags always tend to explode and eventually become unmanageable. At least we need major (language)-tags plus (optional) 1 level of sub-tags which can only be selected after the language tag (and only for that).
 
BDL
And even if you do this: Non of the question really qualifiers for being discussed here since they don't fall in any of the categories described in the FAQ 11.
 
@BDL I didn't edit them except for retagging. Retagging is independent from burnination. So that point does not apply. However, @SurajRao has a point. I posted request, because the questions are not really old, so cv-pls is still ok imo. ABut he is right, I should stop (and inteded to) before we loose old bad questions.
 
to get rid of (1 closed question)
and also please delete 2 closed questions for
 
12:40 PM
@BDL: Define "recent". Questions from few monts ago are recent in my opinion. If you (or anyone else) can present an accepted quantitisation, I'm happy to follow this of course. I have other things to do anyway, so I'll leave it at this.
@VadimKotov That should have roombad in two days anyway.
 
@Olaf Sorry, missed that
 
@VadimKotov Is that from an official burnination? You know, we have processes and that one might be considered "not recent" … ;-)
 
@Olaf If it is only 1-10 questions, it is ok
 
@Olaf 't is not the first time he burninated without asking meta
 
@VadimKotov Hmm, I could not find that in the FAQ which I have been pointed at recently
 
12:49 PM
I think your case is different. I've stumbled upon those burnination rules recently, but now I think they are for good. We should follow them
@Adriaan See my answer below. This was before I understood the rules :)
 
@Olaf iirc it says something along the lines of "if it has no tag wiki, no tag excerpt and you can clean up in a short time (an hour, two or so) you can do so without following the process" but, of course, it's always good to have some opinion from others before doing that
 
@VadimKotov Why do you consider I knew about the process already? And: ignorantia iuris non excusat.
 
BDL
@Olaf: "If you have authoritative knowledge of all technologies relevant to the tag, have conferred with at least one other trusted community member, and are dealing with a tag that has a small number of questions (< 50), then you can go ahead and remove it yourself or with a little ad hoc help." source
 
@Olaf Read the rules before performing actions. I made the same mistake
 
@BDL Well, knowledge of all techologies" of wheels … They are triangular, aren't they? Sriously: that tag is so obviously nonsense. I wonder why it has been introduced at all.
 
12:53 PM
Just look at this mess -- meta.stackoverflow.com/a/356210/1000551
@Olaf I'm glad we were able to fix this
 
@Olaf I think it started somewhere here
seems to have no questions now though
 
BDL
@Olaf: The tag is nonsense and should never have been added. We absolutely agree on that. It's just the process of getting rid of it where we don't agree. If questions get retagged before the community has agreed on how to handle them, they are lost (aka cannot be found anymore when the procedure starts).
I appreciate that you wan't to participate in keeping the site clean (as does everyone else here too). But such efforts have too often ended in pure chaos. If you want to help, participate in burnation-requests that are already in phase 4 (They usually have the status-planned tag added to them). Atm, the tag is beeing burnated (see here)
 
@SurajRao Not exactly: That meta already references the existing wheel tag. But it is more than 7 years old already (with the first editca. 4 yers later which is not a good signal already). Looks like the last edit by a mod actually made it that problematic. It should have been burned with that meta already instead of editing the tag-wiki. Well, done is done.
 
@Olaf @BDL I would say current burnination system is not that great, but I agree with @BDL - I've seen examples where uncontrolled "good intentions" led to complete chaos. We've lost some of the questions due to my actions too. When someone without complete understanding starts mass retagging, it could make things worse (I'm not talking about your case)
 
Fine, I read the burnination process meat now. Seems reasonable to wait - for one point: getting bad questions deleted by a community manager. It still requires them to be closed, though.
I'm still not sure how Trogdor is summoned, i.e. how the members "work together". Is it just that we start the review, resp. there is a message here or what?
 
1:13 PM
@Olaf Mod usually tags the request with [status-planned] or featured. Someone usually posts a message here. Then people who are willing to help start working on it
@Olaf Mod will usually start the process if the request's score is 20+ and there are no arguments against the burnination. But they tend to pick the highest voted request, so it can take looots of time before particular request is processed.
Btw, does someone know why there cant be several featured burninations? For example, now we will have to wait several days before all questions for will change from [on-hold] to [closed]. We could work on different request meanwhile
 
@Olaf once a post reaches some 20-odd votes, you can mod flag it for it to be moved to the second phase of the burnination request. It goes on the stack then, and once a moderator thinks it's time to do that burnination, the question gets featured for a day, attracting the most attention possible. Then the tally is made and a decision on whether the tag should go, what edits need to be in place etc are made
 
@VadimKotov Honestly, having Cody bird-dog the burnination stack is a welcome change. It used to be only when a mod had time. So you'd maybe have one burnination a quarter, if you were lucky
 
@Machavity ok, I see..
 
BDL
1:31 PM
@Machavity: Your link doesn't seem to work (empty result)
 
@BDL not for me
 
BDL
@Adriaan Sorry, replied to wrong link. Should have been the "large backlog" thing
 
@BDL Bleh. If you do the following search you can get it [burninate-request] -[status-completed] -[status-declined]
 
@BDL works for me as well
 
Not for me, try this link, it only does the questions with 20+ votes too
 
1:41 PM
@VadimKotov Thanks, but as I wrote, I did read the meta now (and I can understand what I read normally). I just was unsure what's meant with "work together" which normally implies discussion, etc. As it seems they just do the same started already.
 
@ErikvonAsmuth maybe we should burn ;)
 
@PetterFriberg I already did one quick burn with your consent today, we could go for another ;)
 
@Olaf fair enough. Now tell me about the times where you couldn't understand what you read ... what did you drink and where do I buy that?
 
@rene It was at school when we read Heinrich von Kleist "Zur politischen Rede" (or similar). It was a German grammar at it's worst, a single sentence of 1/2 page long with multiply nested subsentences, which was a real pain to understand and it took some school hours for the class to comprehend it which is a reason I propose parentheses for nesting sentences instead of the ambiguous comma.
 
:P
 
2:16 PM
Oh, and I alcohol was not allowed to end the lesson before the end of the school year.
 
Ron
o/
 
@Olaf English: We have run-on sentences. Germans: Hold my beer. invents run-on sentence-words
 
@ErikvonAsmuth I actually meant the meta tag, so we don't get anymore burnation request :D
 
@Machavity Not really. We have : composite words and run-on sentences plus nested sentences as a bonus. Kleist is well known by pupils here to have exploited that to the max. some of his writings were mandatory readings in middle school at my time. The text above was one of the worst I ever read. Maybe only topped by some political or legal texts. But he was better in one aspect: his texts are indeed consistent and correct, not the stumpling of current politicians.
FYI: sinc quite some years now, dashes are allowed in composite words.
 
@Olaf Sounds like the German version of Herman Melville. That man wrote some of the most convoluted English that was actually trying to say something
 
2:30 PM
@Machavity I never read Moby Dick or some other text of him completely. I think I read an excerpt of Moby Dick, but I don't remeber there was something too complicated about it. But maybethat might had been some years later at high-school (well, let's call it like that).
 
@Olaf there was something too complicated about it <- understatement
 
@PetterFriberg I know, but we should do it the quick way, else we have to wait for approval and ofc we don't want that ;)
 
Melville almost wants you to think you don't know real English like he does
 
@ErikvonAsmuth yeah again I agree with you!
 
@Machavity No, seriously. As far as I remember that excerpt was not complicated. But I have no idea which it was and when exactly (just mid- or high-school). But the same could be with a Kleist excerpt from his novel "Michael Kohlhaas".
 
Ron
2:34 PM
Got the Square academic cap badge.
 
@Ron So you are a square academic now? What do you do when there is a round problem?
 
Ron
And a nice answer badge. A micro-milestone reached.
 
@BDL There is normally a bot, Burnaki, that tracks these in a burnination-specific room. But Burnaki was run by Tunaki, who's on sabbatical from SO right now.
 
Ron
@Olaf Or a college dropout? One never knows.
@TylerH I've made up my mind. I am going for a second hand I30 that burns less than 5l of diesel per 100km.
Or so the specs say.
 
@Ron enjoy!
 
Ron
2:48 PM
@TylerH Will do, thanks.
Won't break any speed records though.
 
That's about 50mpg... so about what a Prius claimed to get about 8 or 9 years ago IIRC
 
Ron
@TylerH The official data claims i30 burns 3.6l / 100km in combined mode.
 
@Ron It's not a Volkswagen Group company, so the figures may be accurate.
 
Ron
@MartinJames I wouldn't even mind if it was 4.6. That sounds economical to me.
 
3:06 PM
@Ron Anne has a C4 - not a small car, but it's a modern turbodiesel, and our real, everyday L/100 is 4.8, so 3.6-4.6 for an i30 sounds very reasonable.
 
Ron
@MartinJames Sounds good.
 
@MartinJames heh
 
3:54 PM
Added to the Watch...
 
refreshes crapola-watch tab
 
4:11 PM
Out of close votes for the day, cya
 
@MartinJames When have you seen the fuel consumption specs being accurate (or even close)? And about that cheating software: Do you really think it is only VW? There have been other companies, too. VW was just the ones to be caught.
@MartinJames Hmm, she must be driving very carefully. But then, my driving style is far from economically.
 
@Olaf Well, OK, yes, I should not have singled out VW but, for a chance to wind up the Germans on SOCVR, it was worth it.
 
@MartinJames What makes you think we identify with VW? I have a Ford and still consider it a german car as much as the Golf is. Both were designed in Germany and built to some extend here and the rest is international anyway for both. BMW and Mercedes produce some of their products exclusively in the USA for instance (AFAIK some larger SUVs and sports cars).
 
@Olaf It's just the nature of her daily travel. Most of the roads have few junctions and many shallow bends. Constant 75km/h fine. 85 and it's braking/accelerating, 100 and it's head-on with a tree.
 
I really don't care where it is built, etc. It is the price and the quality along with the equipment/fgeatures I want.
@MartinJames The problem with the modern CR Diesel (and the low-volume/high power turbo petrol motors as well) is their consumption massively varies with how you drive and use them. Much more than with the old suction(? non-turbo/CR) motors. My old Focus has two or three times a underpressure hose slipped off, so the turbo turned off. The remaining power from teh 2l motor was not even enough to ascend a small hill, unless you massively increased the rpm.
In that respect, TWD is wrong: the Hyundais they use in the first seasons would most likely not work anymore after 1-2 years. Not only because of problems with the motor, but also with the petrol deterioated.
 
4:42 PM
waffle flowers
 
I put a bunch of questions in the queue (sorry I don't have a link to filter on it in the queue, I'm writing this on a phone)
 
Please review close votes in the queue for . filtered CVQ
 
@rene Thanks - yeah, a bunch of OT and POB questions there.
 
np
 
4:59 PM
wow, this one should just be straight up nuked from orbit stackoverflow.com/questions/366447/are-you-agile-impacting
 
5:11 PM
^Ovcious trolling
*obvious
 
@gre_gor I always pick the most OT cathegory, i.e. off-topic for no programming question.
 
Did I manage to click SF there ^? Oops
 
6:03 PM
@kayess Thanks
 
one day i'll get to 10K rep owo until then close all the things OWO
 
6:22 PM
what did I just read
 
6:55 PM
I can't believe I missed this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/358027/2958086
 
@Compass Probably one of the most epic Meta answers ever given
That awkward moment when you try to shoot Clippy, but all the bullets pass through... — Nicolas Miari Oct 23 at 5:51
 
there were other office assistants right?
 
this was all after Bob ...
 
I think you're thinking of Microsoft Bob, which made Clippy look somewhat sane
 
I tried running that snippet, but keep getting the error that Clippy is undefined
 
7:10 PM
@Adriaan you have an anti-clippy filter installed?
 
@rene Nop. I'll try FF
 
Please down grade to Windows 98 and Office 97 and try again ...
 
@rene I'd seriously recommend to do this in a VM :-P ...
 
Man those answers are full of zingers
@JoshCaswell that's unfair to the coyotes. They never communicate any lies such as 'I searched all the other farms and could not find any sheep at all'. — Martin James Oct 18 at 8:16
 
@user0042 Wait? What? too late ... bye, bye ...
 
7:14 PM
@rene ah, in Firefox it works. Yes, that's quite amazing. It's a bit lame though that the words pop up one-by-one instead of as fully written sentences, and currently it feels like watching a movie. Otherwise: I hope it helps with the impeding shitstorm
 
@rene :D
I've been setting up an ancient Windows Server 2008 VM image today. I felt a bit like amputated.
 
7:51 PM
I don't much like the cucumbers either.
 
@MartinJames please, tell us how you really feel...
 
@gunr2171 Sober:(
 
gasp!
 
@gunr2171 I know - I'm letting the developer community down. I'm an outcast:(
 
@MartinJames We should keep tag open to get that deleted. I don't think the cucumbers should get away with it.
 
8:00 PM
@Olaf I delv'd it already.
 
@user0042 is it at least the Service Pack version
 
stackoverflow.com/q/47095947/5292302 clearly off-topic requesting resource?, worth a mod flag?
 
@MartinJames Ahh, 20k feature. Well, I'll hardly ever get there. Should have started 3-4 years earlier.
 
@TylerH No the original Windows Server 2008. I want to test out some things regarding determining installed software on the system. The WMI is pretty poor :-P ...
 
@PetterFriberg Looks like OSR to me
 
8:05 PM
@Machavity What's OSR?
 
@Olaf Off-Site Resource
 
@PetterFriberg The bounty is imo abusive just to keep the post open.
 
Ok, thanks I have mod flagged it
@Olaf no need to pile on, I'm already commenting ;). You know I'm a "hippy" I like to keep OP calm and collaborative
 
I did the same
 
@PetterFriberg If he intended to remove the bounty, he already had. Have a look at his other questions, I see quite a pattern here. But, hey, feel free, I didn't intend to engage further anyway.
 
Ron
8:19 PM
@Olaf You can get 6-7k per month. What's stopping you?
 
@Ron Maybe because I'm not green and (almost) tasteless? I prefer to eat cucumbers (e.g. in Tsatsiki), not be one.
 
@Olaf Sorry for reminding you but I just like to apply to rule "no pile on comments", I don't like that the OP feels he's surrounded by the hostile SOCVR, he seems to "angry" enough.. :D
 
Ron
@Olaf "But it's sad and it's sweet and I knew it complete
When I wore a younger man's clothes."
Piano Man - Billy Joel
 
@PetterFriberg 1) I don't think he is even aware of SOCVR, as he is not even aware of How to Ask. 2) I already said I'll leave it at this and I mean it. I think my comment was justified, as OP seems to not be aware about the rules which should have been the first to point him at. 3) Yes, I could have posted a comment to you instead to post the links to the rules. Sorry for taking the straight way; I'll keep that in mind.
@Ron I don't judge what you wear/wore. Feel free to wear a you girl's dress if you like to.
 
np, don't worry, but we really should avoid to pile on comments, it becomes very difficult for OP to keep he's calm, anyway Brad fixed it and cleared all comments
back to some NAA they are always fun
 
8:30 PM
@PetterFriberg There's no faster way to summon a mod than piling up comments ;-)
 
meeh, lets not summon them like that, since we like to continue to flag and close stuff :D
 
lol
 
Ron
@Olaf Relax C embedded engineer. Listen to some Billy Joel. The above is the excerpt from a song.
 
@Ron Now as you say, I think I remember. Even without, I very well understood you. Just consider I do undrstand, unless I clearly don't ;-)
 
Ron
@Olaf Will do. ;)
 
8:38 PM
I'm having fun with angular5 anyone here know how to handle date fields. I want it as an object Date, set it to input type="date", get it from input, format it as string, pass as param to spring boot... SO has only crap stuff that does not work.. @SurajRao (pinging you in final desperate attempt :D)
 
Ron
Sadly not. I got a tunnel vision since discovering C++. ;)
 
I'm a java dev, but need to learn some angular and bootstrap to follow my devs.
It seems so crazy that I need to do ControlValueAccessor for a standard field as date in angular 5
and I refuse to switch to string
 
8:56 PM
Ah, remminds me, @Olaf hardware-dev, do you understand this; stackoverflow.com/q/47155882/758133
 
@Ron My igniting point was being a lad discovering how I can control 8 segment LED displays with some wired NAND gates (not that I would do such bricolage nowadays :-D )
 
@MartinJames I agree that's possibly some linker control file with the mamory map or so. But it lacks a mcve and more details (I left a comment and CVed). The message is hardly run-time, as the 8051 has no memory protection. Looks like a write attempt to Flash during linking or compilation, who knows.
 
Just two 8 segment displays and some wired logic to output nibbles input from a mice piano of switches (input bits)
 
@user0042 lol, 'mice piano' - sounds like my protocol parsers.
 
Ron
@user0042 Mine was 2 years ago when I was exposed to industrial automation.
 
9:03 PM
:39926914, @MartinJames The "official name is "DIL-switches". I'm not sure if the nickname is really used internationally, but I'm quite familiar with it, too. Long time not heared, though.
@user0042 I had the Opperman TTL experimenting boards for that.
 
@Olaf IIRC they came in "nibbles", four at a time. Everything mounted at a breadboard.
 
Ron
@user0042 Actually mine light-bulb moment was when I read the first Meyers book. Darn universe sprang into existence. That's late blooming for you.
 
@user0042 They were/are available in various widths. 8 were the most common ones. For example: digikey.de/product-detail/de/nidec-copal-electronics/CES-0802MC/… (Digikey uses the other name "DIP-switches", though
 
@Olaf Oh them. The ones where you can never find a pen when you need to change the address decoding:)
 
@MartinJames Did you CV-pls this already?
 
9:12 PM
@Olaf lol, no. Good catch - I have now:)
 
@MartinJames I intentionally posted one which can be changed without tool (if your fingers are small enough). But yes, there are others which ned a pen or - better - small schrewdriver.
 
@Olaf My very initial electonics experiences were realized with luster terminals and wires :-D. I assembled a simple rectangle wave generator with two transistors and RC devices.
 
@user0042 Ok, if you want to start at kindergarten/elementary school, fine. Just one word: Fischertechnik!
 
lol - a multi-dupe 'while(menunum !=4 || menunum != 2)' where OP should have used && was cv'd by someone as 'opinion-based' :)
 
@Olaf LOL, and Lego of course :-D ...
 
9:18 PM
@user0042 A stable start in electronics...
 
@user0042 Erm, no. Lego was lagging way behind Fischertechnik at that time. They did not even have the Technik boxes. It is a shame Fischertechnik lost the battle, they were (and are) way superiour to Lego
 
@Olaf Maybe the superficial similarity with luster terminals helped me to become familiar with basic electronics ;-) ...
Give a child a toy to learn ...
 
@user0042 Lusterclamps as as much related to electronics like a nail to a trox-screw. I also used them for my first tinkerings.
 
@Olaf "I also used them for my first tinkerings." There's no way around them. I've been installing some lightning at my ex-wife's flat last weekend.
 
@user0042 Well, Not exactly. I use the screw-less ones only since years
 
9:26 PM
And yes, I hate those clamps without screws.
:-)
 
@user0042 When I was a kid, I had to put up with germanium junction transistors. Low gain, leaky and ran away if you held them in your hand to warm them up;(
 
@user0042 I like them. Just get the right ones, there are very different versions. The cheap one with screws arre just rubbish; the screw can loosen easily just by varying temperatures. They also have problems in general with stranded wires. Actually they are not allowed for them without a sleve.
 
@MartinJames Well, tubes are a pretty stable alternative as soon they've reached their operating temperature ;-) ...
 
@user0042 Those things too:( I've changed more PCL805's than @Compass has had cheeseburgers.
 
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9:35 PM
@Compass That's the way how one becomes a meme. But though bread would be a better fit to mention IMO ;-)
@Compass Well, crunchy chicken maybe ...
 
@user0042 Hardly. They don't last long due to material loss at the heater and electrodes and they are anything but stable (robust) in a mechanical sense. Not to forget about the some 100V they typically need (althought at low current).
 
@Olaf I was referring to the robustness regarding temperature and signal curve. Sure the lifetime of tubes is limited.
@Olaf Ah no, @Compass loves chicken in various forms IIRC.
 
@user0042 Actually that's not that fine either. One reason tubes are still liked by HiFi enthusiasts are their variation of the transfer curves with temperature, etc. Nowadays, a good integrated amp with a high-res DSP is superiour in every aspect and tubes are just snake-oil to the technically unaware. (and yes, I count those people who buy gold-plated cables for SPDIF (and refuse TOSLink) exactly like that.)
@user0042 I heared frogs taste like chicken.
 
@Olaf We started at germanium, just to remind you.
 
@PetterFriberg hah, lovely. Wasted their on-hold edit within 10 secs after closing. Good timing that
 
9:46 PM
@Olaf But where comes the crunchiness from??
 
@user0042 Actually IIRC selen rectifiers. But yes, the first transistors were Germanium. But we are not there since decades and I did start with Si transistors.
 
btb, @PetterFriberg the Karjala cup is starting tomorrow, you watching?
 
@user0042 They tell in the video: They leave the bones inside.
 
@Adriaan nope :(, I will try to see if I can get something streaming
 
@PetterFriberg no official streams here either, but I'll catch some crappy not very ethical ones. At least I'm watching Sverige-Finland on Saturday with the missus, who has lived in Helsingfors last semester :P
 
9:49 PM
@Olaf :-D I know of course! Well, I refrained spelling that out. Didn't want to disgruntle @Compass.
 
@PetterFriberg We should start a psychological consulting site on SE: "Why am I not able to ask properly?"
 
@Adriaan arrg at least you need to keep for Sweden.... soon we have also Italy-Sweden in football, that will be a mess, if Italy loose they will frick up my Volvo car :D
@Olaf Meeh they switch back to reddit so problem solved :D
 
@PetterFriberg revving your Volvo through the streets of Bologna with a huge Swedish flag on top I presume?
 
@Adriaan lol, already at the bar I have death threats if Sweden wins...
 
@Olaf That sounds like a mission for politics and schools. Seems to be a serious problem since millenniums and worsens.
 
9:51 PM
@PetterFriberg time to break out the old viking shield and axe in that case
 
@Adriaan we already eliminated Italy once in the European champ (when it was in Portugal) I'm stil in trouble for that, better to keep low profile, "Who is Swedish?, me?, noooo!"
 
@PetterFriberg I'm a sucker for soccer, and we're ridiculously bad (seriously, don't watch it) at hockey, so I'm perfectly fine here :D No-one to offend
 
but but The Netherlands have a nice football team, normally..
 
@PetterFriberg Hear, hear!
 
anyway Hockey is more fun, it's just difficult too see and follow when you are in Italy.
 
9:56 PM
@PetterFriberg Oh, you're in Spain? I heared Bacelona is worth a visit these days ;-)
 
@PetterFriberg we play soccer? All I hear is that a bunch of crybabies are running after a ball, directly fall down and cry their heart out wear an orange shirt for some reason
 
no Italy... Bologna but yeah Barcelona is nice...
 
@PetterFriberg pah, same time zone. I can follow the elitserien without problems. NHL is the one that poses the problem, as matches are between 01:00 and 06:30...
 
@user0042 I can't judge for other times, but I clearly have the impression it was much better in the 70ies and 80ies at least in Germany. Starting to think if there is a correlation with MTV and an increas in TV stations (not just private, but more TV in general).
 
@Adriaan I like that you call it elitserien and not the darn SHL or what ever it is... true Swede!
 
9:59 PM
@PetterFriberg javist!
 
@Adriaan What is soccer? The game is football. Just beacuse some call their "catch and run" game "football" is no need to change the name
 
:D, my father always wonder why they only have 1 ball, "don't they have $ do give a ball to each player?"
 
@PetterFriberg Just curious: Which italian food would you categorize coming closest to sürströmming?
 
anyway I like it and you are forced to like it, Italy is all about football.
 
@PetterFriberg Hmm, looks like I need to update my geography basics. Just check at google maps: isn't that one of the regions of Italy well know for their fine food?
 
10:01 PM
@user0042 none, they have nothing similar (at least in north of Italy)
 
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@PetterFriberg so I take it you order a proper can of surströmming every month or so?
 
@PetterFriberg So you're safe ;-) ...
@Adriaan LOL!
 
@Olaf Yeah nice food, spaghetti bolognese (even if you can't find it here, they don't eat "ragu" with spaghetti here but with "pene" another type of past)
@Adriaan not really but I do ask for some proper "Pölsa" from my father.
 
@PetterFriberg ohh, that looks good, like pält
 
10:05 PM
@PetterFriberg Is that reindeer ham?
 
@user0042 no a grey mass!
check it out i.warosu.org/data/ck/img/0049/26/1383800090524.jpg, but I actually like it and miss it.
 
@PetterFriberg Googled, seems close to haggis
 
@user0042 Yeah exactly very similer
 
@PetterFriberg move back :P
 
baah the weather here is nice, not much diving in Sweden
 
10:08 PM
@Petter Ye older I get, ye more I'm getting open to try strange stuff ;-) ...
 
in Sweden it is not actually that strange, it's fairly common to eat, but true lots of people don't eat it for the looks, my wife and kids refuse to try it.
only the dog will join me
ahh my spring and angular test finally works, bed time cya all!
 
@PetterFriberg o/ good night @Petter
 
@PetterFriberg sov gott
 
10:29 PM
@PetterFriberg I know penne. And also have them with bolognese sauce here from time to time (they better suck up the sauce). But they have much more than that in the region; IIRC that's the major region for "italian food". said the man who just had a deep-freezer lasagna ;-{
@PetterFriberg That's not a good reference. Dogs are not really know for their preference of haute cuisine …
 

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