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5:21 AM
Should you flag for moderator intervention any time an OP vandalizes his post, or only after they do it more than once?
 
5:34 AM
@EJoshuaS I'm usually of the opinion that I'll revert once and leave a standard "Please don't vandalize your post...CC BY-SA 3.0 ..." comment. If they do it again, I'll flag then. There's no need to get into a reverting war with them. I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. However, if you don't want to revert & comment, you can just go ahead and flag.
 
 
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@rene can you remove chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39898614#39898614 . Had to read that twice to realize OP is talking about using deprecated sdk
 
@AnttiHaapala chameleon lol for real?
 
@ColdFire look at the edit, the guy changed the entire question including the code, the meaning of the program is completely different too
 
@AnttiHaapala ah added a cv :)
 
7:31 AM
original is for "calculate days since january 1" and when the answer was given, an edit to change it to "calculate the parity of an array"
obviously OP was question-banned already...
@adiga in the future you could dv the bad link NATO for easier delv :)
though I did that already
 
yeah i saw it cheers :)
 
@AnttiHaapala I downvote if the NAA is a new question or a "thank you" comment.
Link only are still trying to help and they don't know the rules. So, I think it's harsh.
 
@ColdFire I modflagged that too. :/
@adiga it would be reversed after delete :D
 
@AnttiHaapala its good then right?
 
well, it needs cvs
the hv is going to get an answer to the second question too :F
 
7:43 AM
haha yup
i added a cv cant add more :(
 
ok closed
now they won't be able to continue that for a moment
 
@AnttiHaapala I know but still harsh on new users :D
 
well if they're at 1 rep, then you shouldn't care, they wouldn't see the rep change :D
most of the link only NATO answers are just spam
 
I dv spam
Usually, <50 users add a link to documentation and they should be guided rather than discouraged
 
7:54 AM
well, in this case it is apparent that the OP didn't mean to spam.
the OP's username has posted some comments into the linked blog article.
 
I did check that. I even went to contact page to make sure it wasn't OP's blog :)
 
Morning \o
 
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Q: burninate [sts] tag

NonCreature0714Having read the rules, I think this burninate request is appropriate. I don't have the privileges to burninate. Answering: "Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied?" -- NO Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post? -- No, there are no questions tagged...

 
8:14 AM
Mod had enough of it ...
 
 
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9:34 AM
is there any value in retaining this question?
 
@SurajRao that ionic lib has so many weird questions and answers that I can't tell
 
9:51 AM
Plop everyone
 
plop
 
\o
 
\o
new week, same bad questions. SOCVR's work is never done.
 
@Nkosi welcome back, enjoy your new, similar looking, pile of work for this week ...
 
@rene I like how you call it a pile of work
 
10:03 AM
@PaulStenne Yeah, I make sure not to get flagged
 
@rene Day is never finished, SOCVR got me working, some day SOCVR set me free...lol (cartman)
 
 
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11:18 AM
@FireAlarm too broad / off-site resource
 
 
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1:07 PM
can an RO remove chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39901569#39901569 ? its on hold and I have added a reopen request..
 
2:06 PM
@FireAlarm That answer... What?
Yeah okay
Plagiarized
Sending the nukes...
> This answer has been plagiarized from stackoverflow.com/a/10164245/4174897. The whole question and answer pair is fishy (both users are 1-rep), leading me to suspect coordinated foul play. As such, further investigation might be necessary.
@AjayBrahmakshatriya We don't moderate users though
Feel free to flag further on your own
 
@PaulStenne Somewhere, Martjin is summoned
 
2:25 PM
@Machavity i wonder how he will react if you tell him he has beautiful thighs :D
 
@AjayBrahmakshatriya He'd say I was plagiarizing Monty Python and ban me
 
@PaulStenne The question is somewhat too broad. Is there a specific ABI to follow? What does he mean witrh user-input? Ok, could also be "unclear".
 
2:43 PM
I just got an email that started with the line "I blew up my hard drive" and ended with "can you help me?" ...happy monday
 
@TylerH Uh, how does one "blow up" their hard drive, short of using explosives?
 
@JarrodRoberson I don't see OP has any code at all. I voted as "too broad".
 
overclock the stepper motor?
 
@JohnDvorak There is no stepper motor in harddrives.
 
@Machavity no clue
but I'm guessing he just means he did something and caused an error
 
2:55 PM
Hey all
 
Hi @Nathan
 
@NathanOliver Welcome back to the world of pings
 
someone on the dev team has been messing with settings
my ping sound settings were reset this morning
 
Ron
3:12 PM
o/
@NathanOliver Welcome back.
 
Ron
Lack of sleep == undefined behavior.
 
3:34 PM
MY BODY HAS BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME.
 
@Compass psst DST ended. It's now Standard time. Because the government said so
 
EXACTLY.
 
I wish they would just get rid of DST
 
@NathanOliver Agreed
 
NO
I LIKE THIS.
i am twice as ready as I normally am
It feels like 11:43 but it is 10:43
 
3:50 PM
Except in the spring DST Monday is the most unproductive day of the year
 
i propose we never spring ahead 1 hour
we always fall back one hour
 
@gunr2171 not the third Monday of January?
@NathanOliver move to Iceland :D
 
@Adriaan I can just move states. I think like 20 states in the US don't observe DST
afk
 
Nathan is just saying that because he wants to move to Hawaii. Arizona is the only other state that doesn't do DST
 
@NathanOliver but then you'd still be in the US. Iceland's a much better alternative :p
 
3:57 PM
oh great, Adblock Plus updated to 3.0 and is now a web extension
and it promptly causes nearly all sites not to load -_-
I wonder if this is some filter bs that changed or if I'm gonna need to look at uBlock now
 
@TylerH what? I run ABP in Chrome, but haven't noticed non-loading pages so far
 
Sorry, on Firefox
 
@TylerH One way of blocking ads, right? :p
 
@JonClements "By loading this program you agree to the full and utter burning of your computer. This way, no ads will be able to load at any future time on your computer, as well as taking care of any paper advertisements distributed to you which will burn along."
 
o.o
 
4:04 PM
So meeting tonight, right?
 
@JonClements well, in 2 hours yes
@JonClements even Adblock Plus' own website is now blocked... wtf
so weird
 
Contains the word "ad" - makes sense :)
 
'I am a student just started to learn programming using C'; since when is it Downvote Savings Time? Not seen any evidence yet..
 
@TylerH Remember, it's standard time so it gets darker earlier for Jon :P
 
@Machavity it's standard time for the US too
DST ended yesterday for us
 
4:11 PM
@TylerH If you're planning on not upgrading to FF57 (e.g. moving to FF52 ESR), you might want to disable automatic add-on updates, which will prevent add-ons being switched to WebExtensions versions. I chose to disable automatic add-on updates when Mozilla changed to automated reviews of add-ons instead of automated + human. It's more of a pain (manually review), but Mozilla had already had some crypto-currency miners slip through.
 
@Machavity Dark is good - makes it easier to do ninja'ing :p
 
@Makyen I am planning on moving to FF 57 when it hits release
that's still a week away though
I am mostly upset that ABP auto-updated during an ongoing Firefox session. I hadn't even restarted or opened a new window or anything
I assumed it would update whenever I closed Firefox and opened it again, or at least would wait until the next time I opened a new window
 
@JonClements thanks for unfreezing. Totally forgot about it.
 
No worries
(I was wondering if it was still going to be used and seems like that's the room scheduled to hold it - so figured it must be :p)
 
@TylerH Updating during a session has been a feature since restartless add-ons became a thing. For quite some time now, the only ones that were done only at restart were overlay based extensions.
 
4:25 PM
@JonClements Love your cameo on the latest Commit Strip
 
Now you see why I wear the costume :(
 
NOTE: Firefox + Greasemonkey users: Greasemonkey 4 (WebExtensions) makes breaking changes to the GM_ APIs. You will be updated to Greasemonkey 4 upon update to FF57. Any userscript using the GM_ APIs must be updated. I'm working on the scripts in SOCVR's repository, and will have updates prior to the FF57 release. However, other userscripts may break. Tampermonkey and Violentmonkey are alternatives.
 
pulls out a rubber mallet and starts beating the web scripts
 
4:42 PM
@Makyen I already moved to TM, since GM was showing deprecated (and wasn't sure it would be updated)
 
I put some more questions in the close vote queue BTW
 
4:55 PM
@EJoshuaS If you could, I'd appreciate it if you include a link to the CV queue with the tag filter when posting a notice/request like that (in addition to the [tag:....). I'd find it much more convenient to be able to just click on a link and immediately end up in the queue with the tag filtered. Obviously, not required, just helpful.
 
Good point
 
5:06 PM
Is the meeting in an hour?
 
@PaulStenne Yes
 
5:20 PM
mhm, is that website spam?
 
Hmm, looking spammy now. But there's real answers. Edit the link out?
 
avatar shows the link as well @Machavity
 
Mod just nuked both
 
I see; why can't I see who did that? Usually it's either mod deleted, or community deleted and at -6 or below
 
@Adriaan If it's Community hidden and -1 it means a mod voted (counts at 10 spam/rude votes)
 
5:24 PM
@Machavity that's what I figured, but why can't we see which mod? Not that it matters, it just struck me as odd that on normal deletions we can see who did it, whereas now we can't
 
@Adriaan Because spam/rude is always handled by Community and you can't see who flagged/voted as a mere mortal
If they just straight up delete you can see that, but it doesn't carry the -100 a spam/rude does
 
@Adriaan the Community user deletes upon reaching a threshold of 6 community flags or a single mod flag - if any other users have also voted to delete (non-mod - or the mod is last to delete) - it will show in the list of deletion users
 
Room meeting starts in 30 minutes. Queue up in the room. Please don't ask for privileges - the room will unlock when the timeout expires.
 
@JonClements such confusion, such weird. Why couldn't they just either show it always, or show it never?
 
@Adriaan when something's legitimately deleted as spam/offensive, it shouldn't really be shown, that's why even for users that can see deleted posts, it's hidden behind a "content was.... click here to show it"... thingy
 
5:35 PM
@JonClements but I like to sodomise myself by prolonged exposure to spam
 
@Adriaan what you may have seen in the past is that a mod disagreed with the flags on it, but could still see it as deletion worthy, hence, they didn't flag it, but deleted it, hence it undergoes a normal deletion and lists the deletion users
@Machavity just fyi: counts at 10 spam/rude votes - it only takes 6 on SO.... However, there's not really a fixed number, a mod vote is effectively an indication to the system to immediately get the system to do what would happen if the system met the required number of votes to do it... (hence the term "binding")
@Machavity you might be confusing that with it can take up to 10 votes to vote to delete a question that's net score and answer score is a lot.... (it takes at least 3 but at most 10) ?
 
@JonClements Probably. I dunno where I got 10. I just remember that mod spam/rude counted as the max
Only 1060 seconds left until the meeting starts
 
@Machavity I've just found it easier to not count voting levels required and just consider a vote I make means that the action I'm voting for is "taken immediately"...
 
5:51 PM
yaaaaaaaay timeout countdown
 
room meeting has kicked off with the PSA's ... please join us
@Adriaan just refresh the browser page
 
@rene oh well, this worked
 
@Adriaan OK
 
6:51 PM
^ user self-attributes "my written post on [...]"
 
..also, cucumber patch.
 
7:08 PM
fp?
 
@gunr2171 edit out the last paragraph?
 
that's...
almost plug-like
Remove the URL
would be good enough IMO
 
^ that
 
Life sure gives you some weird lemons =w=
 
Ron
@Compass Aka Citrus maxima.
 
7:21 PM
@Glorfindel Re [untagged]. IMO would be better to have a consistent (SE wide) 'Usage guide' for this particular tag (similar to the pink ones on meta sites). Users ought not to be able to edit these. Maybe as a mod you have a slightly better chance of achieving that?
 
@PaulRoub looks like a user spamming the audio-fingerprinting tag
 
Doesn't it, though? But the questions definitely need closing. Mod-flagging (or not) the answers is left as an exercise for the reader.
^ unrelated to the others
 
time to clean up so many pins and stars...
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^ This is sabotage
 
I'm ok with the attention. The more times my name shows up on the star board the better :)
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7:36 PM
@gunr2171 I don't think you had the desired star effect
 
but...but...I'm a star!
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anyways. rene is having dinner then we'll be talking about new ROs
 
@gunr2171 so just a bit of plant food added to his daily watering right?
 
I think rene's liquid of choice is wine
 
@gunr2171 I drank a lot of beer and whisky with him last time I was over. Haven't seen a bottle of wine, thankfully
 
You've seen rene. I've only heard his voice.
ok, you can stop staring everything I say now
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7:40 PM
@gunr2171 You've known for years now what would happen if you were to say this.
 
Remember there are many questions tagged in the CV Queue that could use your votes.
 
yeah.....
 
how do you filter by tag?
asking for a friend
 
there is a "filter" link right next to the words "Close Votes" once you are in the queue
 
bah, sniped by a mere second
 
7:43 PM
@TylerH If you could, I'd appreciate it if you include a link to the CV queue with the tag filter when posting a notice/request like that (in addition to the [tag:....). I'd find it much more convenient to be able to just click on a link and immediately end up in the queue with the tag filtered. Obviously, not required, just helpful.
 
thank you!
 
@Adriaan does that mean I owe you a waffle?
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis a fishy friend?
tell him to get back on
 
@gunr2171 hmm, I'd like a waffle now
 
that guy is so clueless
 
7:44 PM
@Makyen that's a good idea; unfortunately I don't know how to do that
 
@TylerH create the filter, then copy the link in the URL bar? Oh, and remember to remove the number
 
the URL link doesn't expose your filter options
it just remains so.com/review/close
 
Not if you filter right?
 
@TylerH It's https://stackoverflow.com/review/close/?filter-tags=scrum%20agile%20tdd
 
my current one is https://stackoverflow.com/review/close/17855992?filter-tags=scrum%20agile%20tdd‌​
 
7:45 PM
@Adriaan there's only one way to filter?
 
-1 no red freehand circles
 
Hmmm... would people like to have a feature of something like ctrl-right-click on tags opens the CV-queue with the tag filtered?
 
but but there is a red hand sad face.. +2
 
@TylerH ah. I might have them because I clicked mayken's link
 
@Makyen as part of a user script in this room? or site wide?
 
7:50 PM
I just got an audit tagged Python and Python 2.7x, and not even scrum,agile,tdd what I filtered on. Way to go making audits obvious
 
@Adriaan lol
I got one for Rust
 
There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[scrum] [agile] [tdd]"
Beer time!
 
@TylerH I was thinking just including it in the unclosed request script for this room and the cv-/del-/reopen- searches (w/ option to disable), but it wouldn't be hard for it to be site-wide (in a different script; e.g. the request generator; or its own script).
@Adriaan Yeah, when you are filtering on tags audits are usually very obvious.
 
Ron
@gunr2171 Ah snap. Please discard this cv of mine.
 
@Makyen usually I filter on only a single tag, and then they chuck the tag in with the rest to make it look like it belongs within the filters (although MATLAB code is easily distinguished from other code, so no difficulties there)
 
Ron
7:56 PM
Competitive programming... Shakes head.
 
> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "[scrum] [agile] [tdd]"
33 items
and with that, meeting time.... back in a bit
 
applies face to bread
 
Plop Compass
 
> There are 65 unhandled reports, 0 of which are on your ignore list.
 
When you build a feature and find out after you build it that they wanted a tire swing and you built a rope ladder :|
 
8:08 PM
@pnuts agreed, but I considered this to be the best temporary solution achievable by the community.
 
@Compass Before of after eating away the hole in the bread?
 
before
 
@Compass That's not good for the eyes. :) But it could be argued that that is how the hole is made. lol
 
8:29 PM
REEE
 
8:47 PM
In case any of the attendees want to see how I screwed up the Room meeting notes, please visit this.
 
thebakedbear.com/menu OI. THIS SANDWICH. AMAZING.
i must go on a pilgrimage
 
@Compass instant sugar rush induced coma from loading the page. x(
I feel guilty just watching the menu. lol
 
@rene speaking about poems, this is the best poem ever written in my opinion
 
@Adriaan Google translate blows up on the third paragraph
 
@Adriaan mooi oud-Nederlands
 
9:00 PM
> And, so endlessly, I sometimes like to turn around
Uh overdierb're leên to hit the arm,
And loudly, with all my glow
 
@Machavity it was written in the time @rene was still young, so Google won't now it :p
lots of contractions in there
@Machavity "to wrap my arm around your overprecious (body-)parts" is the second sentence there
 
opening in half a year
 
sigh
> Our chat room periodicly looks for new Room Owners.
Why didn't anyone notice or tell us about that hideous grammer
 
@PaulStenne Because we are pro grammar
 
that's not grammar, that's spelling
 
9:15 PM
@Compass Who says anything about grammar, that's grammer
 
It's grammer and speling
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I DIDN'T NOT GET AN ENGLISH DEGREE FOR THIS
 
was the degree Celsius of Fahrenheit?
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After deliberations the RO's have decided to welcome @Makyen to the RO team. Congratulations! Thank you to all our candidates.
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9:19 PM
At least the sintax is OK.
 
\o/
 
@NathanOliver KELVINS
 
Congrats @Makyen
 
@Makyen I'll need your email address at some point
 
9:19 PM
This swastika meta question :|
I closed it down, but it was pretty bad.
 
@Compass YOU RASCAL! "Degrees Kelvin" is not a thing :s
 
Thank you, all.
 
can you delvote meta questions
 
Welcome @Makyen! Now get kicking =p
 
start with kyll
 
9:20 PM
@Compass yes
 
@gunr2171 Ah-ha! He's not around anymore
 
The Kelvin jokes are absolute zero fun:(
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We tried to give kyll the ability to kick himself, it didn't work yet. he just changed his name.
 
@gunr2171 You just broke my hips.
 
Throws @PaulStenne to @gunr2171
 
9:22 PM
How far can an elephant throw a human adult?
 
far, far away
 
@Makyen Congrats!
 
Oh.. @Makyen gets the poisoned chalice:)
@PaulStenne ..depends. American or any other nationality? :)
 
@Machavity Thanks. I really viewed both you and @PetterFriberg to be tough competition for the position. I think any of the three of us would do a good job.
 
@MartinJames Other
 
9:28 PM
Congratulations, @Makyen! Now, if you could go ahead and run the cv-pls cleanup script... :-)
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@PaulStenne OK, twice as far, then:)
 
@PaulStenne An african or an indian elephant?
 
@PaulRoub agree ... already slacking I guess ... lazy RO's ...
 
@Olaf A pink one from the Netherlands.
 
@PaulRoub Thanks. I have to install it first :-)
 
9:31 PM
@PaulStenne so when are you finally coming over to water @rene?
 
@PaulStenne Hmm, before or behind the dyke?
 
@Adriaan Not sure at this point. Spring, hopefully.
 
@Olaf Not going anywhere near that one..
 
@MartinJames Hmm, you're in the UK, so I'd say behind (view from the land-side to the sea) the netherland's dykes
 
@MartinJames the Dutch version, or the English variety
 
9:35 PM
@Adriaan Yes - sometimes, it's better if I keep my gob firmly shut;)
..except for the wine, of course.
 
Aren't the english dykes called "cliffs"?
 
@Olaf ah, I didn't mean the geological variety
 
I haz teh bottle of yellow tail [Oz chardonnay]
 
@Adriaan Do they have anything else? (I meant those en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Cliffs_of_Dover)
@MartinJames Mixing beer and wine? Baaad idea!
 
@Makyen congrats!!!
 
9:39 PM
@Olaf It's lonesome, morbid and drear here The office with no beer:(
 
@MartinJames But they have wine? Clearly no place I worked.
 
@Olaf Home office:)
 
@MartinJames you Home Secretary as well?
 
@Adriaan Yup:)
 
@MartinJames And you have no beer at home? You really need to have a serious talk with your boss. That's no productive working environment.
 
9:42 PM
@Olaf When I find a mirror, I will have it out. It's unacceptable.
 
@Makyen: I just noticed. Congratulations!
 
@PetterFriberg Thanks. You would have been a good choice too.
 
9:57 PM
@Olaf Thank you.
 
@MartinJames that is not needed ... remove it please
 
@rene Why? It's not rude or abusive? I'll remove it anyway..
 
@MartinJames well, it depends. But it sounds like you're calling out a group of users which I find tricky.
 
Negative attention to-- okay what rene said
 
Better safe then sorry, so to say
 
10:10 PM
There should be separation of Church and SO state.
 
@MartinJames we could start here, right?
 
@rene OK, OK... :)
 
@rene so no more sermons on flower treatment?
 
@Adriaan That's not Church
That's gardening 101
 
10:19 PM
One of us! One of us!
 
There he bravely went
throwing himself into the fray
moving requests away
like on hell he's bent
Poetry season has started again.
Difficult to write proper prose in any language other than my native though...
 
elephant noises?
 
@gunr2171 HARUUMPH
 
Questions fall like rain,
feeding the crops in the fields.
Why is the wheat dead?
 
10:31 PM
@MartinJames too many dirty snowflakes
 
10:50 PM
Hi all! o/
 
\o
 
Oooh, new RO I see. Gz @Makyen !
 
@BaummitAugen Thanks.
 
11:08 PM
I'm out, need sleep
 
11:52 PM
@mickmackusa Open
 

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