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sbi
3:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel That's no reason to play a video at double speed,
 
That's ZP. That's the point.
And that's not the fastest episode, either.
 
Ell
hi guys
 
@sbi He really speaks that fast. Hence the title: "Zero Punctuation".
 
durr - there's a student spamming the whole 1200 students through an "anonymous" email, not realizing the headers contain its room ip address. hurr
@Ell sup bra
 
What's it saying?
 
3:02 PM
"Eduark Khil died" with a link to the original song
 
@Cicada Oh, so now Elliot's a bra?
 
Ell
32dd infact
 
@EtiennedeMartel I wanted to stay on topic with boobs
 
sbi
So this guy got to analyze 70 million hashed passwords and associated data, and find that German seniors are the ones who use the safest passwords: news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57446081-71/…
 
3:04 PM
> I am sure that there are many 58-year-old Germans and Koreans who will be holding special celebrations regarding their momentous achievements.
 
sbi
@Cicada Everybody else here wants to stay on top of boobs, too. Sheepish grin.
 
Just rename this room to Brothel<C++> already
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sbi
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Just rename this room to Brothel<C++> already. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
That's a cop-out.
 
Definitely.
 
3:06 PM
µtorrent download speed limiting stopped working :(
which makes my irc drop out every 5 minutes.
 
sbi
That's an advantage of getting older: You get better at doing this cop-out thing.
 
Yeah. Like not going on Mumble.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Neither of those links are from TVTropes. Why?
 
Ell
I'm off to a barbecue, ta ta
 
3:09 PM
@Ell I say.
 
@SamDeHaan Because I'm working!
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes What are you working on that you find such links?
 
@sbi A web crawler obviously
 
sbi
ROTFL!
 
3:12 PM
@sbi Relaxing a bit is one thing. Navigating TVTropes is an entirely different thing.
 
sbi
OMG. According to the TOI, this one "scientist" says, regarding those spiders, "There is a lot of insect fauna that is still to be discovered." I really, really fear for those people now.
 
Biological classification is a farce.
 
sbi
"...says an entomologist on condition of anonymity" — Yeah, I can see why he wants to remain anonymous.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I love that film
 
3:18 PM
@sbi Not surprising, considering how long German words are...
 
@Neil I suspect I won't like it if I watch it again, but I liked it a lot as a kid.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hard to say if I'd like to watch it again, though I remember it being very funny as a kid.
 
Q: What do you call Alternative Medicine that survives double-blind laboratory tests? A: Regular Medicine.
 
^ I cannot imagine the shame for the parents. Sadly, I fear the absence of precisely that is a likely contributor to the problem
 
3:34 PM
where can I find a MSVC debugger visualizers syntax reference? (visualizers like this - llvm.org/svn/llvm-project/cfe/trunk/utils/clangVisualizers.txt)
it seems it's undocumented =\
 
Oh, hey, Rocco Luka Magnotta was finally arrested in Berlin.
 
sbi
@sehe Often it's not the absence of shame, but the inability to deal with kids that leads to them failing to deal with such situations.
 
@sbi Then hopefully, shame is part of the net consequences.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah I just saw that. I'm glad his run is over
 
In wonder what his side of the story is.
 
3:39 PM
Yet another sick fuck, I guess
 
I'm pretty certain it's not a simple as that.
 
I bet it is, sadly
 
@Abyx have you searched SO for it? my search doesn't come up empty, FWIW
 
@sehe thanks, I knew the chat works this way
 
@Abyx Don't take it badly: I actually went and searched to see whether I could dig up that documentation link for you. The fact that I found none should not completely erase the fact that I did make the effort for you?
 
3:45 PM
@Abyx Oh the irony
@Abyx Does this sound familiar to you
 
@Cicada sound what?
 
@Cicada are you stepping in for me?
 
sbi
Re "his side of the story": I have just finished reading _The Last Ringbearer and I liked it a lot.
> The premise of the novel is the proverb "history is written by the victors", and that the Tolkien account is just that – the history as dictated by the victorious side. n Eskov's version of the story, Mordor is described as a peaceful country on the verge of an industrial revolution, that is a threat to the war-mongering and imperialistic faction represented by Gandalf ... and the elves.
Pretty well made, IYAM.
 
@Abyx > fa·mil·iar (f-mlyr) adj. 1. Often encountered or seen.
@sehe That's right
 
sbi
@Abyx Zing!
 
3:48 PM
@sehe, it's just because you are helpful
 
Helpful people? We can't have that, who'll fuel the tears of trolls.
 
@sehe my message was a reply to this one.
 
@sbi "In 2010 the book was translated into English by Yisroel Markov and released as a free and non-commercial ebook; this release has been officially approved by Eskov." Oh, neat.
 
@Cicada Mmm. Not sure I need it. I don't know what you are referring to but keep in mind he might not have been around at a particular time (and only freaks like me digest the log transcripts)
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, I downloaded this and read it on my phone. Not the best of UX, but I very much enjoyed the reading.
 
3:50 PM
@Cicada Ahaha. So he was right "He knew". Also, moths have good memory :)
 
@sehe Short story short: you basically said to Abyx "have you looked up on SO?" and that vexed him. Exactly what he did when I first joined this room two weeks ago. Hence oh the irony
 
@CatPlusPlus Delicious tears.
 
@sbi What format is best for such things? Also, any app I should use for this?
 
@Cicada I guess this will need to be resolved in the ring.
 
@EtiennedeMartel My precious
 
3:51 PM
@Cicada Well, in fact I asked him. And in the process I gave him my search query, in case it was helpful. I really intended that as a question... <sob/>
 
@sehe Your diplomacy skills are not high enough yet
Also, moths.
 
@Cicada No, no that kind of ring.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I used the free CoolReader on Android, and after testing both the epub and mobi versions very quickly (I think there's also a PDF), I decided to go with epub for no reason I can remember.
 
@Cicada I'll work on it
 
@sbi Ok, I'll start exploring from that. I'm on a tablet, so my experience may be different anyway. Still, thanks.
 
sbi
3:53 PM
@Cicada Shut your butterfly already.
@Cicada That's missing a few "s" sounds.
 
sheepish grin
 
I have to be honest: I never saw a sheep grinning.
 
No you don't.
 
@sehe Diplomacy skill +1
 
 
3:55 PM
@Pubby Wow. You cured a deficiency in Robot's mental imagery
 
Why waste points on diplomacy when you can instead use those points on say, cheesemaking?
 
It's a grinnish sheep!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I fully support this.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Min maxing!
 
Strange how the picture is actually quite dull, until the moment you think of the phrase 'sheepish grin' with it.
 
3:56 PM
No, spend those point on alcohol tanking.
 
Erm... Guys, wait up! What points?
 
@sehe RPG reference. Sigh.
 
Obviously.
 
sbi
@sehe Those you failed to make?
@sehe Actually, it's quite dull even then. Sheepish grin.
 
@sehe Running the risk of being binned, something like this.
 
3:59 PM
Now, who'd bin such a thing?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I think @sbi has finally built a bridge and got over it.
 
@sbi After ample consideration, I'm going to just stick with "Nope"
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel I just knuckled down to the sheer pressure of users here wanting me to stop.
 
I call that progress.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes This is a non sequitur. A "sheepish grin" isn't a grin by a sheep, but one made by a human sheepishly.
 
4:01 PM
@Cicada it's how the chat works - some people are helpful, and other aren't.
 
Maybe we can pressure you to get on Mumble and let us hear your sexy accent.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, but you're Canadanian.
 
His Canadian what?
 
@CatPlusPlus That's not what he said.
 
Wait, Canadanian.
 
sbi
4:01 PM
@CatPlusPlus Get back to work!
@RMartinhoFernandes That's what she said.
 
Stop this or I'm going to get all patriotic on yo silly European asses.
 
@sbi He's a Quebec-something, not Canadian. He claims.
 
@Pubby Whow whow, easy. What's that supposed to mean?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Tabarnack.
 
That Android rooms are silly, duh.
 
4:08 PM
What he said
 
Well the majority are, I agree.
Not all of them though.
 
How many are there now anyway?
20?
 
No clue to be honest.
 
I once counted six on the front page.
What's up with all that?
 
There are 12 apparently.
 
4:09 PM
Ow.
 
That's silly in itself.
 
One of which is the original one.
 
Is the Android community that fractured?
 
It is a cultural problem mostly.
 
I suspect it's "I can't get into that room, so I'll start a new one" thing.
Because every damn room has to be a Gallery.
Because that serves a purpose, apparently.
 
4:10 PM
Well that would explain one additional room, not 11. :D
 
@CatPlusPlus "... and I won't let others in!"
 
Well, each time someone couldn't get to the other rooms.
Or maybe they really wanted to be italic.
 
It's 11/10 silly.
This is the best room anyway.
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Mhmm,
Time to hop back into my room.
 
4:14 PM
Template wankery in C# fail:
 
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Q: Type inference fails mysteriously

leppieWhy does the following fail to infer R: static R Foo<R>(Func<Action<R>, R> call) { ... } While pretty much the 'same', works: static R Foo<R>(Func<Action, R> call) { ... } Usage: var i = Foo(ec => -1); Ways the first sample 'must' be called to compile: v...

 
@CatPlusPlus ...I guess that answers a question that had been popping up in my mind: "is it barely possible that we might be just a tiny bit smug and self-satisfied?"
 
@JerryCoffin Never!
 
It is entirely possible.
 
4:16 PM
@sehe You can't really template-wank in C#.
I tried.
Lack of nested type access from generic parameters hurts.
 
Argh, Windows again swapping everything out.
I'm tempted to just turn the swap off and watch how Chrome crashes and burns after 40 minutes, instead of swapping out the entire OS.
 
@CatPlusPlus I can't imagine why that would be -- I've had Chrome running for over an hour, and it's still only consuming about half a gig.
 
Mine leaks enormous amounts of RAM.
Chat tab gets to 500MB easily when left running.
And that's just one.
 
Strange -- I can remember when we though "Eight Megs and Constantly Swapping" was just insane...
 
I don't always chat on here, but when I do, I talk about porn
 
4:28 PM
Chrome usually takes 1.5-2GB total for me.
 
@CatPlusPlus Perhaps you missed it, but there was just a hint of sarcasm when talking about a browser only using around half a gig of RAM...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Precisely what's happening there. You'd (at least) need to be able to specify constraints like
 
@ScottW You obviously need titanium body parts.
 
    static TR CallWithEscapeContinuation<TA, TR>(Func<TA, TR> call)
        where TA: Action<TR>
Which obviously don't exist
 
@JerryCoffin I'm used to that.
 
4:31 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes regardless, I think the thing shown is really a convoluted design. But I haven't really looked into it much
 
I'd go back to Firefox, but Chrome works noticeably faster. :.
At least until I pack it with 30 tabs.
I remember having 600 in Fx. Good times.
 
Is jQuery site down or is it just me?
 
Worksforme
 
What have you got? Where are you stuck? You could show a bit of code that you have, but doesn't do what you would like quite yet. — sehe 35 secs ago
 
crapola
 
4:32 PM
Oh my. ^ Just remembered about SO
@CatPlusPlus +1
 
London, UK
 
What colour is my favourite black horse.
 
Use the ameridumb notation
Like Paris, FR
 
@CatPlusPlus I dunno. What does look like :D
 
@sehe It's amazing.
 
4:34 PM
hi everyone
 
Then it's probably A Technicoloured Dreamhorse (TM)
@user1435323 And you
 
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Q: friending istream operator with class

user1388172hello i'm trying to overload my operator >> to my class but i ecnouter an error in eclipse. error: `..\/rightangle.h:68:19: error: ambiguous overload for 'operator>>' in 'is >> ra.RAngle::x' code: friend istream& operator>>(const istream& is, const RAngle&...

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@CatPlusPlus Or that old standby: "Who is buried in Grant's tomb?"
 
does anyone know if there is a way to treat a for loop like a stored variable? I am not sure how to explain it best. Like instead of for(int i=0; i<=n; i++) something like for(conditions)
 
What.
 
4:36 PM
@user1435323 while
 
where conditions is an explicit reference to a set of looping conditions
 
@user1435323 No. Use a function instead
 
@user1435323 Looking for a lambda?
 
well howdy ho every body
 
@sehe It may be similar to a lambda, yes. I've seen it done in C++ before but wasn't sure if it was standard. One moment
 
4:36 PM
@Cicada Probably while(foo(a,b,c)) { .. }
 
looks like shit kicked of over what's his name :P
 
@user1435323 Post code at ideone.com ?
 
@sehe good call on the removal of my post :P
 
@sehe Possibly. Not how I understand the (arguably vague) question, though.
 
@thecoshman The only thing not quite appropriate there is ':P'
 
4:37 PM
@Cicada hey, glad to see your back :D
 
@thecoshman Sure thing. Welcome back
 
sorry it is not for(conditions), it looks just like loopconditions(input)
 
@thecoshman You're not seeing my back
 
@thecoshman Whose back? You don't even see anyone at all
 
Pervert
 
4:38 PM
oh wait I found it; #define REP(i,n) for((i)=0;(i)<(int)(n);(i)++)
 
god damn, even the nubs are on my back over grammer
 
@Cicada I think we (you mainly) established that before :)
 
@user1435323 Use a function, not a macro, please ;_;
 
@Cicada I don't think that word means what I think you want it to mean
 
@sehe I was just stating the obvious
 
4:38 PM
@user1435323 That's EVIL. It's not C++ too
 
Not C++?
 
@Cicada Good. Proceed :)
 
What do you mean?
 
@sehe (So you see, I ended up being right about the function)
 
@Cicada Mmm. Not sure I agree. I'm still recovering from the Macro. Need more soap to wash my eyes
 
4:39 PM
@ScottW So is this the same as a function call of sorts? Because when using it I see a lot of REP(i,n){ type stuff
 
@user1435323 Use a free function
 
Oh gosh, not that REP thing.
 
@user1435323 So, perhaps if you show us some code in which you thought that would have been convenient, we could show you how modern C++ style supports that?
 
What's wrong with a loop?
 
@sehe inb4 lambda
 
4:40 PM
@ScottW Yum
 
@ScottW A macro is a fish?
 
Maquereau in french
Pronounced macro
 
Is it the same in english?
 
@Cicada I'll await a concrete example.
 
4:41 PM
@sehe One moment
 
@sehe await concreteExample();
 
That's C#.
 
@Cicada is what? oh, mackerel
 
pastebin won't load
 
@Cicada Pretty sure it's not. mackerel
@Cicada You're so nerdy :)
 
4:42 PM
Maquereau is also a slang word for pimp (just sayin)
 
Machkernel
 
I assumed the fish was a herring, ala 'red herring'
 
@Cicada That makes it pretty 'Zing' to say, then. Even with the visual pun.
 
I'm currently writing Java! *hides*
 
4:43 PM
I can't tell fish apart. Their problem is that all fish are... well just fish.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Me too. I don't drop in just to announce it though.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Neither did I.
 
@user1435323 Have a look here:
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A: Idiom for doing something twice in C++

seheI've got a few suggestions. See the last for my recommendation: In my opinion insert(it, N, value) beats std::fill_n: for ( int i = 0; i < num_pairs; i++ ) { cards.insert(cards.end(), 2, Card(i) ); } If order isn't important, you could just generate the cards once, and duplicate after ...

 
@KillianDS you around bud? The X stuff I did was done under springboks first incarnation glskel, I think @cat has deleted his repo, though I still have my fork around, if you want a look
 
It shows you several idioms that could be used in such a scenario
 
Protip: there is nothing wrong with loops if you want to loop.
 
4:44 PM
I made it private.
I still need to import the old code to Springbok, but exams.
 
@CatPlusPlus good as deleted :P
 
I'll do it tomorrow if I live.
 
I'd have a look at forking springbok and porting my self, but erm...
 
@RMartinhoFernandes True dat. But it gets boring, plus, if you want to make the judgement call, there is an argument to be had to know the alternatives :).
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik that's how I earn my pennies :(
 
4:46 PM
Also, I'm pretty sure I covered the unrolled loop in my answer, IIRC
 
@sehe Oh, that was not directed at you.
That was referring mostly to using a macro to save a few characters writing a loop.
 
Yeah that's from Satan
 
I have no idea why that REP crap is so popular, but it drives me crazy.
 
I have never seen it before. Which seems to imply you look at the wrong code :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Somebody saw the enthusiasm for the IOCCC, but didn't realize you weren't really supposed to take it as an example of what to do...
 
4:49 PM
@thecoshman sounds fun. 3:
Good old public static void main(String[] args).
 
Oh the IOCCC was fun
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I HATE JAVA
annoyingly, Java is probably the best part of my job :(
 
No, that's ClearCase.
Next up: I HATE CLEARCASE
 
let's do this then...
 
@sehe I find it common among those guys taking part on programming competitions. And some newbs who learn from reading their crap code.
 
4:51 PM
@thecoshman I don't hate Java. I think of it more like a rock sticking out of the ground in an inconvenient place. Yes, I'll pulverize it with a sledge hammer given half a chance, but I feel no ill-will toward it while doing so. Such feelings would be wasted on anything as stupid as a rock or Java.
 
I'm wondering if there's a Git library for Java. I hope so.
JGit seems good.
Oh wait, it's Java so it ain't good.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh - I never competed so that explains I never read the code (?)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik What the heck are you doing, btw?
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I HATE UPPERCASE
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@RadekdaknokSlupik Lacks the graffiti
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I'm rewriting Hexapoda.
 
4:53 PM
In Java??
 
@sehe thanks
 
Wait, you're doing it for fun?
 
@user1435323 :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In college next year we'll learn Java anyway.
 
4:54 PM
So?
 
Ok, off to rehearsal. Hehe. Repcapped. Someone threw me 100 pts in bounty. That was nize
 
You prefer to take the pain now and next year in college?
 
@sehe Bounty do not count in repcap
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I want to be (at least a bit) experienced with it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Get immunized, so he will be able to suppress the gag reflex in the college room
@Cicada ?! really
 
4:54 PM
Really.
 
It ain't much of a pain. At least it's less of a pain than doing it in C++.
 
@sehe Well yeah
 
btw, regarding to clearcase, what is a good SCM for a large bunch of binary data? (like 15Gb of stuff) I don't think using a git or hg is a good idea
 
@Cicada no, but they do count toward hitting the repcap to get a Legendary badge.
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah that's what I meant
 
4:55 PM
@RadekdaknokSlupik Shhh. Don't tell, but you can write proper software in Java. Just don't come running to use when you find yourself corrupted into a Singleton worshipper and wondering how it got to be that way
 
Then again, Sehe already has that, so I'm not sure why he'd care about repcapping.
 
You cannot possibly enjoy java after having touched the almighty C#
 
@sehe It ties your hands!
 
@JerryCoffin That's good enough for me. I don't need any more rep, but that badge looms on the horizon :)
 
No lambdas, really?
 
4:56 PM
@sehe No singleton will be given.
 
@ScottW I'll leave you with that idea for now
 
How the heck can anyone possibly write software without lambdas?
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It's just... unimaginable.
 
ANONYMOUS INNER CLASSES GOGOGO
 
I've written software without using lambda's
 
@TonyTheLion Doesn't count.
 
4:57 PM
Oops -- my mistake. When I said sehe already had legendary, I'd accidentally looked at somebody else's profile. My apologies.
 
lol the Java docs inconsistently end parameters documentation with or without a period.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes why does that not count?
 
Why are lambas considered bad?
 
@TonyTheLion Because it detracts from my point.
 
4:59 PM
Or is that inaccurate to say
 
@user1435323 They are not. Java not having lambdas is bad.
 
@user1435323 Lack of lambdas is bad.
 
Lambas are awesome.
 
lack of life is bad
 
Sorry that's what I meant; no lambdas
 
4:59 PM
but it still happens :P
 
sheepish grin
 

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