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2:50 AM
Has anybody here gotten a prog. job in the 2000's without connections, work experience, or a B.S. degree? Trying to gauge my chance with that. I've got github and an online presence, etc. too.
 
mr5
3:04 AM
there are lots of people who didn't go to college and don't have a degree but employed in this room
 
3:28 AM
afaik I'm the right level of skill to get a job if it was 1990, but it isn't anymore. If anybody's started their career in the 2000's or later without nepotism, I'd be interested in how they did it.
 
mr5
3:56 AM
I've seen a lot of job posts without requiring their applicants to have a degree. I don't think nepotism would work in programming industry since you really need the skillset and enthusiasm, at least, to survive in this field.
 
Alright. Would anybody here be willing to look over my resume? I've never had any in the industry do so, and I've got industry-specific concerns like whether to link to github or not in the resume. Thanks for the help, by the way.
 
mr5
have you tried to work as a freelance?
or personal projects at least you can show to your potential employer?
 
4:12 AM
I didn't look into freelancing much. I have 13 personal projects, most complete, 12 in C# and 1 in C++. The ones in C# are made with a variety of frameworks and APIs (WPF, Winforms, MonoGame). Nothing using internet. Projects at github.com/JoshuaLamusga. Do I need internet-related projects to appeal?
 
mr5
4:28 AM
@person27 your skillset is more better than most CS degree holder I know. You now only need to invest some effort to showcase it among employers. The internet-related or knowledge about how different internet protocols works, esp. HTTP a.k.a RESTful API is also expected but you can easily grasp its concept in no time with your base knowledge
 
That's a relief to hear. :) I have a page describing my projects, but haven't been linking to it because I don't want to include too many links and I think employers prefer github. That page links to github and describes some projects. Should I be using it, do you think? joshlamusga.blogspot.com.html
 
mr5
4:47 AM
@person27 One to three links is okay. Just include only popular programming sites such as stackoverflow, github, or bitbucket. You can add your personal site as well as long as the contents are related to the job you are applying for. Oh, and don't look too down to yourself. Good luck finding one :)
 
@mr5 Okay. I'm going to do that, thanks.
 
5:17 AM
hey guys
why do programmers eat so many carrots
@Codeman hey hi hello
 
@person27 looks like all your projects have only been there 2-3 months. Maybe I misread? Can you explain.
 
I added source control and uploaded them at that time. I've been familiarizing with and using Git since.
Unrelated: (That page link was joshlamusga.blogspot.com, without the .html after it. Copy-paste error.)
 
Not bad. :) ..are the works entirely your own or are you basing them on examples? If I Google "c# mono game maze" am I going to find very similar project(s)?
^^just giving you practice for questions future employers might ask.
 
5:40 AM
isn't bigint and long the same ? both are int64, why do i have to convert them again after i use Ado.net to connect to Database and make the object ... sigh
yes, i made a column type as Bigint in database and then ado.net thingy in Visual made it an object for me, but then i try to input long datatype inside it, it count bigint as normal int ! so i need to convert !
converting is a line but it might make problem later coz my data is in long and might not fit in normal int lol
ok i manually changed it to long and fixed it.
 
@ABuckau I wrote each project by myself end-to-end. The maze game you're talking about is especially unique because I composed it from a list of ideas that other maze games had, many of which have no level editor functionality, and built a game using all of those ideas simultaneously. So it's a unique experience. Welp, that's what I would tell an employer ;)
 
6:07 AM
posted on October 12, 2017 by Scott Hanselman

NancyFx is a great alternative to ASP.NET if you want to make elegant little web apis like this: public class SampleModule : Nancy.NancyModule { public SampleModule() { Get["/"] = _ => "Hello World!"; } } However, it may be that you want a routing style - the way you define your routes - that is like NancyFx BUT you want to use ASP.NET. Botwin is a library that lets you

 
Hallelujah
 
I've seen o/, //o, o//, and even //o\\ recently. What exactly does that mean?
 
It's a person waving "Hello!" in any direction. /o\ is a tie-fighter, obviously.
 
mr5
and //o\\ is definitely reggae man
 
6:19 AM
@person27 This GH account looks good enough. The important points I can distillate from this is that A) You write quite some code outside of work, so you have an interest in it, B) You aren't afraid of showing your code and receiving criticism, and C) You prefer .NET, and have a clear and consistent code style. This should be more than enough for any junior level job. Entering as medior might be a bit more difficult albeit not impossible.
The rest of potential criticism can be learned on the job.
 
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOd Mornin' neglecterinos!
 
@RoelvanUden Thank you. One last question on the topic left: where do I go to find jobs? I am only searching online right now, 99% require either a B.S. or prior work experience. Apply anyway? And how many technologies should I be able to learn?
GoOoOoOoOoOoOoOod Night, Nerd in Training! It's 11pm here.
 
@person27 Oh, you don't have a degree? Yeah, then it'll be much harder since you (presumably) lack the theoretical background which accelerates learning by >= 10x. You'll have to find a place where they are willing to invest the time to whip you into a full fledged developer. I'd say, just apply anyway!
 
6:37 AM
@RoelvanUden I'll apply then. I know I've got the OOP background due to self-study (which far outweighs what I've learned in college, still). I understand functional, but haven't gotten intimate with that paradigm yet. Studied concurrency. I think I more or less have the background, but I'm probably the exception.
 
Yeah, hence the presumably. But don't be surprised if you're declined due to the lack of formal education. There's a lot to be said for having a background like that, and there just happen to be a lot of workplaces that require it. That said, don't give up! You only need one place willing to try you out (and where you can prove yourself) to get that magical 'work experience years' for future applications.
 
Speaking of working things, my SO chat API should be publicly available in about two weeks^^
 
Morning sharperinos!
 
Time to write spam bots!
 
6:48 AM
@RoelvanUden do you want throttling? That's how you get throttling!
 
Time to remove all the throttling!
 
o/
Good morning C#pers
 
Morning @mark333...333...333, how are the tuts going?
 
@Metallkiller gues who is doing homeoffice
 
Probably @KamilSolecki?
 
7:02 AM
I think so aswell^^
Programming with no pants on... BEST IDEA EVER!
 
:D
How'd you get your boss to let you?
 
Kids sick would only be at work 'til 10 so i can work from home cuz no use to go to work for 2h
 
@Metallkiller Oh thank you for asking :) I started today the absolute training in MVA.
Morning too @Metallkiller :D
 
@Nerdintraining So you do home office til 10, or the whole day while also taking care of your kid?
 
'till my weifu leaves for work
then i gonna do lunch break 'till my kido sleeps
okay brb
gotta restart
!!brb
 
@Metallkiller nope
Me office is on the other end of town
@RoelvanUden are you threatening my API :/
 
@KamilSolecki Are you saying...somebody could actually build a good SO chat app soon?
 
Not really. Because of SO throttling, my API won't be real-time
I actually chose to be one day behind
 
Why would you do that :/
How much does SO throttle it? How close to real time could you get?
 
good morning
 
7:22 AM
Hi @ntohl o/
 
hello...
 
anyone using BulkSaveChangesAsync. When I use it it doesn't block the UI, but when I used SaveChangesAsync, it blocked the UI
 
Morning
anyone worked with vsts query editor ?
I want to get list of all features
 
@Nerdintraining That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ye
 
7:27 AM
anyone who has worked with ADAL.NET 3.17.0 Identity
Can anyone send me the link of document
 
@Metallkiller based on how all other stuff is throttled, about 6-10 requests per minute
So, pretty far from real time
There technically is a way around it
Have a bot sit in chat and read dom
 
There has to be, otherwise we couldn't chat comfortably here
 
7:47 AM
No, because SO has its internal API
but there is no public one
for chat
blame SO :P
 
@KamilSolecki What? Oh, it's a history collector? Not a websocket lib?
 
pretty much, yeah
the reason why im building it
remember JABs statistics thing?
Im making one, but as an online app
which will stand on me server, available all time to everyone
so I might just share the API too
 
chat is a third class citizen on SE :/
All two of my issues about chat posted on Meta were ignored
 
8:04 AM
So, we only use SaveChangesAsync when the subsequent processes don't rely on the saving state (whether it succeeded or failed).. and we don't need this much!
 
@RoelvanUden if it catches interest, I could make it a mix of the two as well
 
Guys, I need some suggestion. I want to try MS Sql Server on Linux but I don't know what Linux OS to choose :/
 
Ubunutu!
 
mr5
hotto doggu
 
Or RHEL maybe, if you want that stable long-term support
 
8:09 AM
@KamilSolecki have you tried on Ubuntu with Sql Server? :)
I'm thinking about CentOS but is it good?
 
@mark333...333...333 nope, I use postgres
isnt RHEL just a 'newer' edition of CentOS?
 
Oh I understand. Hard to choose because Linux has bunch of operating systems
Oh I'm not sure man
 
106
Q: Is CentOS exactly the same as RHEL?

OxwiviI'm sure this question has been asked again and again elsewhere (I did not find anything specific to CentOS vs RHEL in SE), but I would still like to ask and confirm a few specific points. I am well aware that CentOS removes all RH trademarks, logos, etc. and is based on the same codes with pack...

 
Oh it means, it's very close
 
Inb4 I did mistake RHEL acronym with Red hot chilli peppers
 
8:15 AM
Oh I understand haha
the gang haha
 
blood hound göng?
 
well I do not understand why is CentOS in any way better than RHEL
since from 2016
you get RHEL for free
and it gets updates ealier than CentOS
AND it has just a tad more features
 
8:31 AM
ahoy o/
 
@Kieran heyho
 
hey hey heyyyy
 
your avatar still fucked up :D
 
Yours too
 
not for meh
I see a pirate
 
8:33 AM
hurra we are so in sync!
 
\o/
 
/o\
 
but, I've always seen Nerds avatar with a grey box covering half of it
 
8:34 AM
Same
 
Long long time ago
In a chat far away
 
in an avatar far far away
 
my avatar was not broken
 
damn
 
|o| |o|
pew pew
 
8:34 AM
^^
Much related again
 
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They put actual space combat into SWBF2! Seems like they did indeed learn.
(The new SWBF2)
 
oh god I need that game
I was watching Benfortune play it on hangouts
 
And Darth Maul too :D
 
looked amazing
im buying it 100%, and i'll have a new machine in less than a month!
 
8:38 AM
Feels amazing too. Played the open beta over the weekend.
 
seamless gameplay mmmmmm
 
Hell yeah. I can finally fly a Starfighter over Theed :D
 
please tell me they also have landing inside space carriers
like in the old BF2
 
Had a little Metal Starfighter as a Kid. Or my dad had one and we would play with it. Awesome stuff. Also had that diplomatic ship.
Unfortunately, no infantry combat in space :(
 
8:43 AM
No leaving your spaceship
 
Maybe they will add^^
 
That would be too good. They can't possibly deliver everything the old bf2 had.
They do have classes too now. Way ebtter than that "everyone has everything" system.
 
noice
 
I hope they make it so you can more easily differentiate between classes from afar. Asault/Heavy droids e.g. look very similar, it's mostly the bigger weapon the heavy is carrying now.
 
@KamilSolecki thank you :) I choose Rhel :D
 
8:47 AM
^^
 
no problemo
 
so it's nice to choose Rhel than CentOS :) :D Thanks man ^^
 
do you have any prior linux experience?
 
I had a ubuntu on my vm before. CentOS, is where our php website is hosted but it has no gui, just a command
 
8:49 AM
I don't wanna brag, but I installed Ubuntu twice.
 
I even turned my ubuntu to yosemite theme haha
it was funny because I was using windows and I had ubuntu with yosemite theme and interface. hehe
 
yea then you should be golden :)
 
But since I'm trying to learn .net core, I guess it's good for me to learn how to deploy at least simple crud of .net core in linux with ms sql server.
Just experimenting :)
 
They removed the infantry part of space combat?
but that was the best part!
 
in for loop, how to check if i == 5*n
 
9:04 AM
?
for(/*...*/) { if(i == 5*n) continue; /*...*/}
 
without n, I mean if i equals multiples of 5
 
i % 5 == 0
 
i % 5 == 0
 
The modulo operator
 
Ah, I forgot that forgotten operator
 
9:06 AM
Its not very forgotten :P
 
never forgive never forget - modulo
 
mr5
 
@mr5 You shouldn't have all your project in a single solution, dude
 
mr5
I didn't started it
there are at least 13 projects in a single solution.
 
How to make my parameter NotNull? The interwebs seem to think it's gone?
 
9:20 AM
it didn't really do anything
 
I made a new method t otranslate stuff, because the normal one doesn't work for background threads, but I can't have anyone pass null in that, or it will crash.
It does raise a warning
*we're all working with R#
 
[NotNull] was just a hint
ohh
ok
 
A hint is enough. Better than just the comment, which somebody might not read.
But the hint would make it have a sqiggly line
 
as far as I know it's really gone. VS without resharper didn't support it, so it was like false positive all the time
 
And instead of adding support, they removed the whole thing?!
That's stupid
 
9:34 AM
well. Most of the people thinks adding null was stupid.
 
Like...when Java was made?
 
1995 or so
 
They made such a terrible thing to counterweight for the awesomeness of my birth.
 
9:50 AM
I SAY DISCO YOU SAY PARTY C#
DISCO DISCO
 
C# C#
 
10:24 AM
How do I teach cap to write something formatted?
...how do I make her use ctrl+k?
 
Cap, use ctrl+k biatsch peasent
 
10:43 AM
DO you guys think this would be a good move, calling AD straight from SQL Server
 
As part of an enterprise solution? No. It creates tight coupling between services.
 
11:03 AM
!!help
 
@Metallkiller Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
@Squiggle thank you
 
 
1 hour later…
12:13 PM
!!tumbleweed
 
12:23 PM
So, can I get (or how can I get) all elements, that match values from collection (by Id) for example
 
.Where?
 
var filteredValues = values.Where(x => x.Id == ...) // from cIds
 
is it possible to do url rewriting with MVC?
 
cIds = long[]
 
.Contains?
 
12:26 PM
values.Where(x => ids.Contains(x.id)) ?
(pls make sure that ids is a set then)
 
hmm
perhaps indeed, going to try it out
@WhatsThePoint Yee, you should be, what you need exactly?
 
waaaaiiit a minute
why would you store an ID as long?!
You better make that an integer right now
 
.Contains works, thanks! :)
why wouldn't I?
this system is being used a lot
 
@Metallkiller depends on the use case
still, ints can fill up quite a lot of the cases
 
@Taurib my url currently is something along the lines of www.mydomainname.co.uk/MyappName/Home/Index?uk=1 but i dont like the look of this, i just want the url to display to the user as www.mydomainname.co.uk
 
12:31 PM
@Wietlol Can you construct an example where a long would fit as ID? IMO a long isn't precise enough to be an ID, ever.
 
precise?
 
@WhatsThePoint You can use the RouteConfig to achieve what you want
 
long is a 64-bit integral type, int is a 32-bit integral type
 
how is a long not precise?
 
12:32 PM
I wouldn't recommend it though
 
its not a float
 
1.1 isn't really 1.1 but 1.100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌​0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 or something
oh
ohhhh
 
that is float, double, decimal
 
right
 
int is 32-bit number
 
12:33 PM
not decimal
 
long is 64-bit number
 
I think he had a brain fart
 
totally wrong thought, sorry guys.
 
@KendallFrey decimal is 128-bit floating point right?
 
decimal floating point
 
12:33 PM
i totally thought about a double this whole time
 
128-bit base-10 floating point
 
it can represent decimal fractions like 1.1 because it's decimal, unlike binary floating point types like float and double
 
float and double are base2?
 
@Kieran thanks ill look into routeconfig
 
and decimal base10?
 
12:34 PM
It still can't represent fractions like 1/3, 1/7, etc.
 
!!purgechat 30min
 
@Metallkiller That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
damn
 
@WhatsThePoint Seriously though, I wouldn't bother with URL rewriting
It will cause you headaches later on
 
@Wietlol right
 
12:34 PM
why not base 60?
 
why would you do that*
 
I know this because I'm working on a project that has url rewriting in and its a pain to get things working sometimes
 
Because that's not necessary, and loses some scalability
 
*base60
 
@WhatsThePoint maybe you could achieve it with JavaScript, although not sure, don't have exactly experience with it
 
12:35 PM
base60 can represent 1/3
 
it can
 
is it possible to just do it on my web server?
 
@Metallkiller 60 is divisible by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30 and 60
 
Wouldn't base 30 be just as good here?
 
@milleniumbug that is redundant
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 is sufficient
10 = 6
20 = 3
30 = 2
otherwise, also add 12 and 15
 
12:37 PM
Why not base 210?
or 2310?
 
23310?
 
why the fuck
 
65536?
 
23333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333‌​333333333333333333333333333333333_
 
base infinity
 
12:38 PM
guise who taught you about primes
 
2(3)10
 
@KendallFrey optimus prime
 
THE ONLY PRIME I NEED TO KNOW IS OPTIMUS PRIME
 
!!prime
 
@Metallkiller That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: time
 
12:39 PM
I'm disappointed
 
primordial beast
 
Imagine if the standard floating point type was base 3
that'd be fucky
 
1/2?
 
0.111111...
 
/3 and *3 would be pretty to optimize
>>1 <<1
 
12:40 PM
Just like /2 and *2 are now
and which is more common
 
if you use base3, graham's number is easier to process :D
 
@Wietlol You increment/decrement the exponent. You can't shift the mantissa.
@Wietlol not... exactly
 
grahams number is glorified multiplication of 3
if you can do that using bitshifting, then its easier
3<<3<<3<<3<<3...
 
That's not really the limiting factor here
 
still need something stronger though
i wonder how many bytes you need
even with 2^256^x
 
12:44 PM
Graham's number is so large that its logarithm is basically indistinguishable to humans
log g_64 >> g_63
 
ow yea i forgot
i was only accounting for g64
(or g1, whichever was the smaller end)
 
wat
g_1 is 3^^^^3
 
then g1
i still dont understand the idea behind it though
 
You still need more bytes than would fit in the universe
even for 3^^^3
 
3k3 = 3^3^3 right (where k is knuth arrow (cannot get the notation right))
ow
just searched it
3k3 is actually 3^3
 
12:50 PM
You're not doing it right
3^^3 is 3^3^3
 
ye
 
3^^^3 is 3^^3^^3
 
Wow, Grahams Number is reaally big o.O
 
you know what else is big
 
@Metallkiller Understatement of the lifetime of the universe
 
12:59 PM
@milleniumbug My Pen is big too
 
user6501892
1:20 PM
Does anyone know how to stack items in a WindowsFormsHost
 
...make a panel and pile everything on there?
 
user6501892
I can't seem to make one. It's using Northwoods GoDiagrams
 
Wait..what is using GoDiagrams and in what way?
WindowsFormsHost is a XAML WPF Element that simply hosts a WinForms element AFAIk
 
user6501892
WindowsFormsHost, I am using GoDiagrams just to make a stackable element. This is a goView element inside the WindowaForm
 
Just go
	<WindowsFormsHost>
		<wf:Panel x:Name="WinFormsContainer"/>
	</WindowsFormsHost>
Then, if you really need GoDiagrams, in your windows constructor go something like
WinFormsContainer.Controls.Add(new goView());
 
user6501892
1:27 PM
How would you add <wf:Panel
 
In your XAML
 
user6501892
wf isn't a valid prefix, though
 
Good point
add xmlns:wf="clr-namespace:System.Windows.Forms;assembly=System.Windows.Forms"
now it is
Should probably add the Forms assembly to your references too, if it isn't there already
Although I recommend to try and do it without WinFOrms entirely
 
user6501892
Thanks, I wil lgive it a shot.
 
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1:33 PM
nononoononononoonoooononoonono
nooononoonooonooonoonoononoono
not winforms please.
 
1:59 PM
Sometimes when I run my application, Visual Studio's output window shows messages like Exception thrown: 'System.Data.OleDb.OleDbException' in System.Data.dll. This is different from normal runtime exceptions because the program does not pause and there's no floating error box that displays the stack trace and error message etc. Is there any way to get more information about this error?
 
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