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00:42
auto-playing videos are getting more common
as well as "content denied until you turn off your ad blocker"
#observationsfortheday
00:55
^ basically the real-world equivalent of SO chat flags
> The viewer was not said to be offended himself but believed Fry's comments qualified as blasphemy under the law, which carries a maximum penalty of a fine of 25,000 euros (£22,000).
hehe
 
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03:39
@BoundaryImposition that remind me of the recent FCC investigation of Stephen Colbert for saying Trump's mouth is only good for Putin's cock holster.
Supposed obscenity instead of blasphemy
03:50
huh
I've found something that offends me, I think
I thought I was a soulless husk that only pretended at emotions.
fascinating
If only The PhD were here, he'd be astonished
well, beyond poor effort and generalized idiocy
incoherent help vampiring
04:06
@jaggedSpire Arent we all?
@Borgleader dunno about you but I'm an alien rabbit-cat thing created explicitly for the harvesting of souls :V
I'm safe then, I dont have one.
I was born ginger :P
lol
@Ell that's the second time I've seen you come in within the last half hour or so
what'cha doin'
is that the proper apostrophe placement
am I a proper apostrophe placement
the mysteries thicken
like grass
wut
more like it thickens like my belly fat
i need to stop eating so much chocolate
but it's so tasty
mix in something bitter that isn't poisonous to your chocolate stash
oooh
or
I bet it gets tastier if you don't have it as often
it's probably like a shower and sleep after a physically taxing day, if you have it rarely enough
oh man
wait no, trail food usually includes a touch of chocolate
hm
@Borgleader do you have a favorite kind of chocolate?
I bet sea salt chocolate would be grand after a long day outside
the extra salt would be amazing with all the salt loss from sweat
and you guys have better chocolate than here I bet
none of this hershey's wax stuff
my point is, or what I'm driving towards here
that you can probably give yourself a sweet (heh) incentive to eat less chocolate if you make it a fantastic experience by eating it so rarely
04:29
@jaggedSpire Dark mostly, or filled with mint or coffee
flavored stuffing
how often do you eat a bar of chocolate?
rarely, theres this fancy chocolate store thats hardly a detour from when i come home from work
and they sell the tastiest fucking chocolate ever
this stuff like omg...
do you like liqueur flavoured chocolates?
cant say, i dont remember having any
its anyone developping on computer vission in C++ here?
04:43
@Borgleader oh fuck I'm so jelly
sorry man, I have no idea how to help you with that will save
xD
the worst part is, they were liquidating their easter stuff
so... i could buy more... and i did
oh god
RIP
05:07
Hey guys
Do you think that Google Test or Catch should be used for a larger, mid-sized open-source project?
@gabdev Well I'm working on a project for that in Java...
05:24
@VermillionAzure cool. With OpenCV?
05:37
@gabdev Nope. It's just a class to demonstrate some basic stuff like TTC
 
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06:48
@Borgleader Just be glad you don't live near a Pierre Macrolini store.
07:02
Roo infestation
@Telkitty But why?
08:29
@VermillionAzure coz grass is roo's best friend
09:18
> Hubert de Roquesort
Ell
Ell
boy I need to learn lenses already
09:39
meh
monads are a pretty unconvincing concept
that they exist is undeniable, but that this fact is actually useful for anything, is another matter
user1804599
@Ell learn profunctor optics
Ell
Ell
@rightfold I want to :O
user1804599
@Puppy The monad interface has many implementations and many uses. We can conclude that it is useful.
@rightfold It has many implementations, but I've not seen any uses.
Ell
Ell
@Puppy have you ever programmed in a functional language like haskell?
09:45
I did have it inflicted on me briefly at university
but frankly, I don't really see that the language makes so much difference, since the concept is mathematical and applies to all languages, effectively
Ell
Ell
It doesn't really
but if you write some haskell you'll probably encounter various monads quite soon
and see how the interface is useful
I've already encountered plenty of monads
but simply encountering monads doesn't make monads useful.
it's only a useful concept if you have usages of the base interface where you need to be generic about which monad implementation you are using
the implementations are equally useful regardless of whether or not they implement a common shared interface
user1804599
@Puppy sequence, when, guard, bind, map, join, traverse, sum, replicate, forever, apply, everything you can do with categories, everything on profunctors, to name a few operations
user1804599
An interface is useful if it has many implementations and many uses.
I guess that I've never needed to use any of those operations
Ell
Ell
09:50
you've never needed >>= in haskell?
user1804599
You don't have to; you can keep writing duplicate code.
user1804599
You don't ever need any abstraction.
I only write duplicate code if I actually need to perform that operation regardless of which monad is being used.
whereas in actual fact I pretty much always have the concrete monad in question
Ell
Ell
@Puppy that doesn't matter
you don't want to write an implementation of >>= for every monad
well, I don't want >>= at all, since I am not using Haskell.
09:53
@RudiantoPrasetya you’ve seen that character already actually
but to put it another way, the implementation of the monad always makes a critical difference
for instance, if you have a task/future/promise monad, then I need to start caring about whether or not any of the 20-year-old code I'm using uses a bunch of fucking stupid thread locals all over the place or not
user1804599
>>= is very common outside of Haskell
you can't just substitute it in and get things to work
Ell
Ell
@Puppy it doesn't matter
I mean
if you use any auxiliary functions which are generic in their monad then it doesn't depend on the particular monad
if you use mapM, forM, sequence
etc.
right, but I've never seen any auxiliary functions that would actually be useful in that case.
user1804599
09:55
It's equivalent to (join .) . flip fmap, which you obviously use very often.
so you might want to be more specific about what these suggestions actually do.
@Ell fun fact: these things only need an applicative constraint
Ell
Ell
@LucDanton yes, you're right :V
oopsie
I'll find a better example
@Ell good luck, I think it’s mostly just the transformers that work on monads (and that’s its own can of worms)
@LucDanton Oooh, an actual use case for fold expressions :o
user1804599
10:01
@LucDanton applicative composition master race
user1804599
Why apples are always better than orange trees
user1804599
Lol 15 years experience with nodejs
10:39
GCC 7.1 already available for Windows /o/
Moar templates.
Decimal floating point numbers for C.
Ell
Ell
11:02
@jaggedSpire I pop in and out a lot :P
this room is always open on my phone
Noooo, new warnings ç_ç
Ell
Ell
@Morwenn how's the sorting adventure going?
@Ell Today is more of a C++17 adventure.
Ell
Ell
oh right
I downloaded MinGW-w64 for the latest GCC 7.
Ell
Ell
11:06
I can't get gcc 7 :(
the best I have is clang 4.0.1
Now I'll update the .travis.yml in to take GCC 7 into account, and I should even be able to reactivate the address sanitizer. IIRC the APT was fixed.
Clang 4 is cool too.
I'll also check whether I can use it.
Then I'll scan the features that both GCC 7 and Clang 3.9 (or 4.0 depending on what's available) support, and update my C++17 branch with shiny new features.
Since it's not a serious library, I can maintain separate C++14 and C++17 branches without having to clutter my code with feature macros x)
11:27
@Morwenn but why bother, though? Sounds like adding more effort for very little benefit.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because the resulting code looks better of course D:
@Morwenn I meant why keep two branches and not just C++17?
If it's not serious, there's no benefit in maintaining outdated code.
Let's say it's serious enough that I don't want people to have the latest compiler at hand to try to use the project.
Also, maybe someday MSVC will be able to compile the C++14 branch x)
11:55
@Morwenn I need to fix my travis build at some point, but I've kinda given up caring about it
@Mgetz Maintaining CI is boring :p
@Morwenn not that, for the longest time travis was stuck on 4.8 so I gave up trying to maintain it when everything else had long since moved on
@Mgetz Oh.
I just moved to Trusty for my C++17 branch. The default packages are more up-to-date.
> They protested and won the right to remove the path, which they did, putting new grass down — only for Mrs Vivian to retaliate by appearing to dig up the newly-laid turf in the communal gardens, an act of alleged vandalism which led to her being arrested in October on suspicion of theft (of the grass).
rofl
hello
can anyone help with Eclipse IDE? i have a compilation problem
12:06
> Locals — who included the broadcaster Jonathan Dimbleby and his then wife Daily Mail columnist Bel Mooney — succeeded in preventing the Vivians from building a family house on land they owned.
conflict of interest detected
well hidden in the article
Very selfish of their neighbours is what I thought. If I were Vivian I would sue whoever approved the vegetation to be removed
Commentary are all supporting the neighbours though, no sure whether dumb or only their neighbours commented
If building/tree blocking views is actual valid point to block a building application, then land next to beach would be quite worthless.
planning laws are pretty strict here
we're a much smaller country so any such new development would entirely change the area for all the neighbours
hence nobody supporting the development
we're not spread out with lots of space like you guys :D
Sydney actually has a constant housing shortage for the past 10 years and foreseeable future, mainly because strict development code prevents enough housing being built
and because the people renting out the houses are doing so at extortionate rates
anyway no we don't generally support plopping houses on our sacred green countryside land
there are plenty of more appropriate places for that
@BoundaryImposition well you do have, just not anywhere anybody but a scotsman would live
12:21
and the lady knew planning had been rejected for such a scheme on that site in the past, before buying. she only has herself to blame, and is now making life difficult for all her neighbours just out of pure spite. can't see how you can defend her
@Mgetz no true scotsman would live there :D
@BoundaryImposition Highlanders aren't scotsmen? Oh my...
@BoundaryImposition Seriously, forcing someone to cut down trees in their backyard because you want better view. This shouldn't legal in any country, especially developed countries
People always want to cut down trees everywhere. Sometimes just because the leaves are annoying...
@Telkitty I think you didn't understand the article properly
@Telkitty (a) It's not legal, and that's why nobody has "forced" her to cut down the trees. (b) The problem is that she grew them in the first place.
It's not about getting "a better view". It's about completely ruining the view they already had, out of malice and spite.
trees grow, deal with it
If there are trees growing up blocking your ocean view, and it's a native tree at 6 meters high, it's still illegal to cut it down according to the planning rules here.
12:28
@Telkitty if the height of the tree interferes with the value of the property then there is a tort under the common law
only if it's in regards to safety
people should plant more trees not cutting down more trees
especially 20 year old ones
@Telkitty the common law makes no distinction actually, all it has to be is a harm to another. The usual solution btw would be for the person harmed in this case to pay for a tree surgeon on a semi-annual basis
Ok, so I'm using Trusty packages that are not even explicitly whitelisted in Travis. Not sure how that works...
@Telkitty again, it would be illegal to do so here too, as clearly stated in the article, hence the entire point of the article
@Telkitty they were 0 years old 20 years ago when she first engaged in this malicious behaviour
if national park is growing thin line of trees in front of your ocean fronting house, you going to tell the federal commonwealth government to remove those trees?
12:32
torpedoing the value of your neighbouring properties is not friendly
@Telkitty who's "telling" anybody to do anything? they're just saying "this sucks", which it certainly does, and you would too
also, we don't have a federal government
@Telkitty there is a difference between sovereign immunity and a neighbor, also common law torts usually require means rea
so you telling me it's okay to bully ones weaker than you but not ones more powerful than you ... I see
what
guess you're trolling shrug
13:09
I'm probably for std::not_fn today.
Hum, it's impressive how changing an allocator can change the speed of an algorithm.
13:35
@Morwenn from what to what?
@Mgetz From std::allocator to __gnu_cxx::bitmap_allocator.
@Morwenn I presume the latter is a slab allocator?
@Mgetz I don't know what that means. You can find details about the allocator here: gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/…
 
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14:50
@Code-Apprentice Need to book air ticket before I can confirm with you, but most likely Late August - early September. If you have any travel plan around that time, please let me know so I can work around it.
15:10
@Telkitty be careful. The week of Aug 21 will be very busy here and in many other parts of the US because of the solar eclipse. We are directly in its path and all the hotels are all ready booked full.
I assume that is also true for every town big or small in the path of the risk eclipse.
s/risk//
 
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16:20
> Sort int queqe with restrictions
@Morwenn wat
@Borgleader Shiny question title :D
16:42
I'm full.
I ate too much salad.
Ell
Ell
impossible
@Ell I'm the living proof you're wrong.
Ell
Ell
:O
Mixed salad though, with cheese, bell pepper, bits of walnuts and raisins.
Last week @Morwenn was worried that she ate too much to eat dinner at a restaurant the day after
16:46
I ended up eating salad at the restaurant x)
Caesar salad though. Not the lightest salad in the world.
Without chicken?
Nah, with chicken.
Still lighter than the foie gras burger.
guys quick question, is it possible to write something akin to "using list = std::shared_ptr<std::pair<T, list>>" without writing a ton of wrappers?
17:17
I think I may be developing an interest in botany
I didn't used to spend hours at the botanical gardens
@jaggedSpire Botanical gardens are so cool :o
@Morwenn The one in St. Louis is amazing
and residents get in free Saturday morning!
We've a cool one in Brest, and it's been years since I last went there :/
Sometimes I wish I could take part into botany projects, but I'm too lazy to find one.
@Morwenn it looks like it's free to get in, and is mostly endangered plants. Cool!
I do have an application on my phone to identify wild plants.
17:23
imagine reading a book here
A botany book?
if that is what Morwenn desires <3
Hehe :D
it has a cool waterfall!
Plus there is a giant flower over there:
17:25
:D
The only problem with Brest is that you'll get wind and/or rain most of the year -___-
you could visit the tropical greenhouse!
@Morwenn Is Brest in England? xD
@jaggedSpire Waterfalls like this are so cool *-*
@Borgleader Nope, it's in Brittany.
Brittany is a slut :P
@Morwenn Is that an upside down mushroom?
17:27
@jaggedSpire Since when is Waterfall considered cool? Isn't everybody doing Agile these days?
and look at the pretty flowers
@Borgleader Just a giant and maybe stinky flower x)
though I suspect these are not in the tropical greenhouse
@fredoverflow hehe
@jaggedSpire These photos are why I sometimes look at gardening magazines :p
@jaggedSpire Also there is sun. It's probably fake.
@Morwenn Gardening magazines are pretty great for that. But photos don't always do the colors justice!
17:29
True.
Last time I went to a Botanical garden was for one of these events: mosaiculture.ca/en
@Borgleader cool
I mean come on! :D
Cant not like this
I go to mine on a pretty regular basis because it's 30 minutes away, free to get in when I go, and incredibly relaxing
@Borgleader Zooo? Or 2000?
17:31
Zooo 2000
how else would it have dragons if not for The Future (TM)
also because mine has a 14 acre Japanese garden that looks like this:
@jaggedSpire Japanese gardens are so fucking cool <3
a tropical greenhouse that looks like this:
@fredoverflow My guess is 2000 since that was the first edition of that event
two rose gardens, a hedge maze, a dedicated daylily field and iris field
it just keeps getting more awesome
what do they have in a rose garden
17:39
water fountains and azaleas
also roses
that sounds like an improvement over kindergarten but nowhere near as fun as the beer garden
@LucDanton what about a hoegaarden?
Roses & Beers
I like hoes.
 
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18:50
Hey @rightfold I have a haskell question for you
My current solution is this: rextester.com/FVKQV4320
I want to make my output ["ABCD", "BD", "C", "D"] instead of the current "ABCDBDCD"
How to do it?
19:24
Wow, I'm so fucking bored.
I just look at people ranting about the elections, but it's becoming boring too.
user1804599
Use fmap instead of =<<.
do some botany
@Borgleader Botany is not fun when you're alone.
Few things are actually fun when you're alone :/
@Morwenn no no, buttany is not fun when youre alone, botany is ok solo
user1804599
19:30
Dunno. You're using list comprehensions and non-total functions.
@Borgleader Not tonight anyway.
user1804599
skips :: [a] -> [[a]]
skips = \xs -> map (go xs) [1 .. length xs]
  where go xs n = [x | (x, i) <- zip xs [1..], i `mod` n == 0]
user1804599
This does the job more simply. "Take every nth element" means "take every element whose index is divisible by n".
is @R.MartinhoFernandes around?
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19:44
Using !! is always bad.
user1804599
It's linear time and not defined for all inputs.
There's no beer in the fridge and the pub is closed...
Almost no camembert left.
Like, wat am the do.
nwp
nwp
order camembert with beer?
@nwp There's almost nothing open on Sunday.
At least nothing in my town.
nwp
nwp
but restaurants are open and they typically have a delivery service
19:46
Hehe, not in my town.
And restaurants from the towns nearby don't deliver here.
nwp
nwp
time to skip town
morning
Plus I don't really want to eat. I just want to drink.
@Puppy Hey <3
19:59
@Morwenn Eat the remaining camembert, then play games.
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