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user4639281
12:38 AM
JavaScript is fun:
 
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const mergeSort = (a,b) => new Int32Array(a.length+b.length).reduce(m => Object.assign(m, {[m.length]:[[a,b][+!(a[0]<=b[0])],[a,b][+!a.length]][+!(a.length && b.length)].shift()}),[])
 
quickSort [] = []
quickSort(x:xs) = quickSort(select xs (<x)) ++ x : quickSort(select xs (>=x))
 
user4639281
Is that Haskell?
 
Yes
 
user4639281
I thought so, It makes zero sense
 
12:42 AM
Are you trying to offend me?
 
user4639281
No, I was going for pointing out how awesome Haskell is
 
user4639281
You know, I was actually laughed at when I told a couple of the people at google that I thought JavaScript was very easy to understand.
 
user4639281
Like they thought I was joking
 
@JanDvorak I always learned that with filter instead of select. I remember when I was learning Haskell that that was an awesome moment
 
Ah, sorry, I'm rusty with Haskell
select is the Ruby name
 
12:48 AM
@TinyGiant JavaScript is actually a pretty small language, so that makes sense. It can be super terse though
 
Looks like spam
 
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@4castle Makes sense that it is easy to understand, or makes sense that I would be laughed at for saying that?
 
I think it's easy to understand
 
user4639281
@Shadow Flagged all as spam.
 
12:49 AM
well, depends. "10" + 1 - 1 == "100"
 
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@4castle Thanks, at least someone agrees with me
 
user4639281
I think the biggest problem for people—as Jan just pointed out—is the lack of typing, alongside asynchronous code
 
user4639281
People seem to have a very hard time understanding async
 
Yeah, most people who learn JavaScript don't take the time to understand how a dynamically typed language changes how they should code.
And I remember struggling with prototypes for a long time, because I never just sat down and learned it. When I did, it was easy
 
yeah, avoid the dynamic bits and use static typing
 
user4639281
12:55 AM
Screw types
 
user4639281
Type systems are for those who can't live on the edge.
 
user4639281
But there's nothing stopping you from implementing a check for a specific type.
 
class Object; def method_missing; nil; end; end # have fun
 
what does that do; makes all nonexistent methods return nil instead of crashing?
 
Yep
Nil is also an object, so calling methods on nil will also pass
 
12:59 AM
@JanDvorak Ughhhh
Objective-C does that too
 
These will continue doing so
to_s, to_i, to_f and a couple others will continue returning their respective types because they already exist on nil.
?
 
@FOX9000 approved, but on second thought I'd reject and edit
 
Yeah, you are. I'm not disagreeing with myself.
Having every method succeed without an exception is a bad idea
Well, it's unusual :-)
 
user4639281
 
2:18 AM
@QPaysTaxes Ah, sorry.
@QPaysTaxes it was a typo
I hit enter on accident
@QPaysTaxes I know—but I was still thinking of a witty response.
@QPaysTaxes not even a terrible pun?
@QPaysTaxes one, two, three, four, I declare a pun war.
Let's start with electricity as a topic
 
I was just about to write a canonical when I found a 'canonical-like' dupe target. Should I write an answer there instead that explains it more in-depth?
@QPaysTaxes Does this need to be edited to be more canonical like? Do you think an answer that explains why this is needed in the first place is needed?
Because the accepted answer links to the React docs where it just uses the vague word "magic". An in-depth explanation would probably be more info-packed but not sure it's necessary.
Kinda bummed that I didn't find the question before doing 3 days of digging.
 
 
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A J
5:12 AM
@EdCottrell Hello there!
 
@AJ o/
 
A J
@EdCottrell I have doubts about the post I linked whether it is an answer or a new question.
It's very old post.
 
@AJ I went with NAA - looks like a new question to me. I nuked it. :)
 
A J
I was going to edit it because of bad grammar, but then I thought whether it really answers or not.
 
@AJ Yeah, at best it was very borderline and hard to understand. It wasn't really adding anything.
 
A J
5:28 AM
It was there for 3 years.
 
@AJ Yeah, and it got zero up or down votes and zero edits in that time. Pretty sure no one's gonna miss it.
 
A J
ok
anyway, gotta leave now. bye :)
 
 
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7:19 AM
@Enzokie You may want to review the close reasons. A MCVE is only required for a debugging question. That question is not a debugging question. Thus, a MCVE is not required. While having code is often helpful, it is not a requirement, unless the question is about debugging code. That question is, however, too broad.
 
@Makyen ok, I am going to remove flag,...
Any R.O pls, I made a mistake in Flagging, please remove my message here specifically my MCVE request. Thanks
 
@Enzokie Removing the flag is up to you. The question should be closed, as it is too broad. There are currently two votes to close it (both as too broad). Each person that votes, should be doing their own evaluation of any question.
 
My MCVE should not be considered so I decided to remove it instead.
 
The reasons we give in the requests are our best determination, at the time we make the request. Questions can be edited between when the request is made and when we look at a question.
 
Actually I do agree that it is rather a broad question and relatively unclear at some point.
 
7:28 AM
Hiya
 
@Enzokie I was not meaning that you should not be flagging, or making requests. Merely that you should review the reasons for closure. I have not seen any from you that I would say should not be closed, nor have I been specifically looking. I just noticed because the reasons I would use for closing the last two requests were different than what was in the requests, but still valid to close them.
@BhargavRao o/
 
@SmokeDetector question is bad there
@Makyen \o
@πάνταῥεῖ It's not spam there
Just nuked the whole post.
Now that smokey is autoflagging, it's better to leave out the borderline ones.
 
@Makyen thats clearly my mistake :)
 
8:28 AM
^ SO seems to be really slow for me as well
 
@FOX9000 there seems to be something wrong.. even FireAlarm crashed in the dev room
 
yeah, it took 30 seconds to open my last review, and about the same time to open the flagging window.
 
9:08 AM
!>reboot
 
Ouba Ouba.
 
@Tunaki reboot
 
Hiya o/
 
\o
There are some issues on the site. That's why even Fox is failing
 
@BhargavRao did someone make a typo again? D:
 
9:12 AM
Smokey report working again?
 
@Tunaki It's fixed.
 
Woot!
 
@BhargavRao even?, only :D
 
@g00glen00b err where? Was the last outage because of a typo? o_O
@PetterFriberg nopes, FAC is also failing, according to @Ashish
 
I'm on a typo strike!
Burnie is looking good I'm sure :p
 
9:14 AM
@BhargavRao aah Natty, Gut and Queen seems to be recovering nicely.
 
@BhargavRao Amazon's outage was due to a typo, wasn't it?
 
@g00glen00b Oh shit yeah. That was a nice one :D
 
tried to make a joke, failed :(
 
sorry :'(
@g00glen00b BTW, I'm also known for terrible jokes. :p
 
9:18 AM
@Tunaki :D, yeah edit manually, it's these hidden fun we have...
I don't think op got it however... strange people upper-casing every letter..
 
I Don't Find That Really Strange To Be Honest.
Ok Maybe A Bit
:)
 
i fIND iT A bIT aNNOYING
 
Oh ReAlLy
 
tHaT's BeTtEr
 
@Tunaki yes
 
3rd "aye", reporting
 
dur
10:31 AM
OP wrote in his answer: Found the solution duplicate to
 
dur
@Tunaki: congratulations!
Can someone tell me, if that question stackoverflow.com/questions/42640239/… is a typo? It is not very useful.
 
Is StackExchange slow for everyone today?
 
10:46 AM
@JanDvorak Yes
 
@dur Yeah I'd go for typo here
 
Standing by is all we can do, after all
 
@BhargavRao "Architecture Lead, Developer, Site Reliability Engineer & DBA @StackOverflow. MS MVP. I build very fast things to make life easier for millions of developers." fast things. Hmmm
 
@Adriaan TBH, He's one of the best devop I've seen.
 
10:54 AM
What am I supposed to do now? Actually do useful stuff?
 
11:11 AM
@dur Code added just now...
 
dur
@NisseEngström: Thanks, I retracted my vote. I see no option to remove my cv-pls, is that possible?
 
@dur Ping a RO to move the message
 
dur
11:28 AM
@Adriaan: Thanks. Now I remember it.
 
11:56 AM
@Tunaki wow your really kicking a** on code review..
 
@BhargavRao @petter it failed once while I was there and crashed. The boot script rebooted it. It's also possible that it is some bugs on the weak Swift Foundation caused it, but as EditMonitor was also getting errors maybe it was on the SE side I thought. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/35987395#35987395
@Tunaki congrats!
 
@AshishAhuja Yeah SE seem to have had problems but I have no real clue.
while edit monitor was falling it was hard to access SO, but the api stuff seemed to still work..
 
12:37 PM
Morning
 
@NathanOliver mroning
 
12:48 PM
Someone gets a down vote on their answer because it is wrong, that is pointed out and they delete the answer. They then post a new answer with the correct code. Do we need to do anything?
 
3 people gang up. undelete the old answer, downvote again, and then delete
:D
 
That doesn't seem nice.
 
Effective, though
... and we're backed by a mod
 
It isn't effective, they get back their rep.
 
We could downvote the new answer instead, but that costs rep
 
12:54 PM
Nah, That is wrong.
The new answer is correct.
 
Mod flag and let you guys decide what to do..?
 
sometimes a comment will do
 
@NathanOliver I'm not sure if it is worth mod intervention. I've not seen a flag like that, so I'll be leaving it to the other mods.
 
@BhargavRao I found this and this. looks like comment and maybe mod flag.
 
1:22 PM
@NathanOliver Wait, we have to be nice to people whose hopes and dreams are being crushed questions we're closing and deleting?
 
@Machavity It's a pain but yes. We can crush the question but not their dreams.
As in the dot in some_object.some_member?
 
it's about the same cost as [], which is about the same cost as *(foo+i)
 
1:40 PM
But that was also answered there. The answer is miniscule(probably not measurable) to 0. If the object is on the stack then the compiler will know the address of the member (which is also on the stack) and the access has zero cost.
 
@NathanOliver thanks, looking at it.
 
np. I left a comment but did not flag
:)
 
@rene even I don't understand it...
 
2:09 PM
@rene i think i understood that. the asker is trying to connect an ubuntu vm to a physical computer but the two machines can't ping each other even though they're on the same gateway
 
2:26 PM
@SmokeDetector f edited
 
o/
 
@NathanOliver no, that sounds like a normal procedure
It is OK to even post two separate answers to a question and leave them both up
 
2 hours ago, by NathanOliver
@BhargavRao I found this and this. looks like comment and maybe mod flag.
@TylerH That I did know
 
I've seen many moderators do it
I don't think any action is appropriate if the two answers are disparate
 
2:36 PM
All but the wrong line of code was the same
 
then they're not disparate answers and a flag would be appropriate
 
morning!
 
Hiya gunr
 
VS 2017 released today :)
 
@gunr2171 so is Firefox 52
 
2:44 PM
Woot
 
they finally removed support for NPAPI plugins
 
shinny IDE
 
aka Java, Silverlight, Acrobat
 
@gunr2171 So shall we half-mast the flags?
 
@gunr2171 Download link is still for 2015. It looks like you can only download the RC of 2017 right now.
 
2:50 PM
I'm getting it through my work's MSDN subscription
 
do modern browsers even support VBscript?
 
Oh. Nice. Hopefully they will release it to us plebs soon
 
@JanDvorak exactly, edge does if run in IE 11 mode but still.
 
@Lankymart you mean IE11 does
Edge doesn't have an IE mode; IE11 was included in Windows 10 for that purpose: legacy sites
 
@TylerH technically they are different ;) but I get the point.
 
2:52 PM
the only IE11 thing in Edge is a protocol that opens IE11 automatically if you click a link to a site that uses activex controls, etc.
 
@TylerH yes it shoe horns compatibility mode into edge using IE 11
 
@Lankymart I take issue with you saying "in Edge"
because it's not "in" Edge at all
Edge's compatibility mode is literally a protocol that opens a totally separate web browser called IE11
 
@TylerH I'm not sure?... You can mess with compatibility using the dev tools in Edge, note the Emulation tab....
That's "inside" Edge...but hey I've not completely tested it as Edge is crap and I'd rather just work in Chrome.
 
flags QPaysTaxes as spam ;)
 
@Lankymart At least Edge doesn't introduce bugs every iteration like Chrome does :-P
 
2:59 PM
Haven't MS stated they're no longer officially supporting VBScript in IE anyway?
 
@TylerH if it's "bugs" that force it towards better standard compatibility I'm all for it.
 
@MacroMan yeah since like 2002
 
@TylerH suppose it depends what you are doing, but not had big issues with Chrome personally.
 
@Lankymart nah they're usually bugs that cause something to break or something to deviate from spec inexplicably
 
@Lankymart mainstream support has ended, but it's in extended support until 2020. In real life it will probably go past that for certain countries like they did with XP
 
I'm still rocking Windows 7 at work.
 
@QPaysTaxes No I mean actual countries - My brother is a European Director at MS ;)
@NathanOliver same here, I imagine most companies of a certain size will for a while until they can fully test Windows 10 (note there was no mention of Windows 8 lol)
 
@TylerH I know they said that but then they provided an Emulation tab in dev tools so what is that all about?
@TylerH Like I say though haven't tested it, might be time to try.
 
@QPaysTaxes I get what you mean by "the country doesn't affect anything", and tbf when I said "countries" it was on the back of a conversation I had about certain "countries" requiring extended support because of government infrastructures more than anything
so you actually weren't that far off with your "banks" comment lol
 
3:06 PM
@Lankymart Edge - dev tools - i.imgur.com/dNgzxTB.png
 
Who is using Vista? Point me at them so that I can sneer and make sarcastic remarks at once!
2
 
@MacroMan If I told you I would have to format you and preform a DoD grade data wipe.
 
I'm using Windows 10 and slowly warming to it, still preferred Windows 7 though.
 
I like windows 10 except the control panel.
 
@Lankymart I use Win7 at work, and prefer it for work. I use Win10 at home and prefer the aesthetics, but if I need to get any work done at home I do find it a bit distracting. They did add a couple of nice bits for power users though so fair play....
 
3:10 PM
Yeah. Start -> Windows System -> Control Panel.
 
@NathanOliver most people at work are
 
Yep. 8 was a no go
 
because MS was all 'lul even in Enterprise mode you don't have great control over updates, oh and we stopped publishing descriptions of each security update so gl security teams'
for Windows 10
that's what you get when you fire all your technical writers I suppose
 
do you ever wish you could have replied to an answer before it got spam blasted?
 
sometimes
 
3:15 PM
"Your all terrible, deal with it children" <-- Your grammar is terrible, so perhaps you're the child....
 
@BhargavRao wasn't there a meta post about stopping all that a while back?
 
There was.
 
JAL
o/
 
Hiya JAL
 
3:19 PM
The most annoying feature imo is compulsory windows updates, you have a little bit of control over when it restarts (can set a 12 hour period) but if it's on and the period has passed it just restarts...guess the moral is save regular.
 
like in the olden WinPI times
 
@QPaysTaxes it shouldn't be when it is [featured]
 
It doesn't just restart. It pops up a message saying "hey, listen! If you don't click this button in 15 seconds, I'll restart your computer"
 
@Lankymart yeah, the wresting of control from the user over something as basic as "when should the computer be on or off" is really untenable IMO
 
@QPaysTaxes I didn't reply to a specific message, I just pinged you - it was in response to your reply to Bhargav though about the burnination request titles
@QPaysTaxes Nope, I lied - apparently I did reply to the wrong message. My bad
Yes that's what I did, but apparently I wasn't paying enough attention and clicked it on the wrong post
I'm just not going to ping anyone, it's already given me a headache
 
3:44 PM
@QPaysTaxes it's less being interrupted and more about leaving say your laptop on to come back and find it's restarted and everything you had open has been closed and re-opened but not in the state it was before. As a laptop user I often leave my laptop on for long periods, I'm now finding myself using hiberate more to avoid finding it restarted on it's own and trashed everything I had open.
and saving regularly ofc
@QPaysTaxes true, just meant rather than being physically there when it restarts
@QPaysTaxes is that Windows 10?
Because that is exactly what I do to find that Windows has been restarted.
 
3:59 PM
Re: Software Engineering Burnination, the last round of questions that will probably hit the CV Queue is now in.
 
4:15 PM
ignore
 
@JAL congrats on your Inquisitive meta badge btw
 
JAL
Oh? Thanks! Didn't even realize lol
 
JAL
\o/
 
nice
 
4:22 PM
I'm six questions away
I have enough positively-scored ones already, but several of them were doubled up on single days
@JAL only 25 people have that badge ;-)
 
Woot. I'm made the list \o/
 
JAL
huh, look at that. That number seems low
 
I think the majority of people with it are either regulars or drop by from time to time
 
Magisch, Braiam, and Machavity are also on that list
 
JAL
and shog
 
4:27 PM
@JAL yes but he's not in the socvr team :-P
well, as a normal member anyway
 
JAL
true
 
They testing?
 
no one has the Socratic gold badge for 100 questions on diff. days, but JWW is close. Surprisingly JonH has 226 (!) nondeleted questions on meta
but no Socratic badge
looks like he helped beta test jobs and posted a new Q for each bug
 
How do I do a tag in meta?
like [tag]example[/tag]
 
JAL
[tag:meta]
 
4:32 PM
thanks
 
JAL
or [meta-tag:meta]
 
whats the difference?
 
Ah, wild tests
 
@BhargavRao Seems like total spam to me :P
 
IKR. ;)
 
4:35 PM
eats popcorn and watches C++ burn
 
4:48 PM
@TheCodesee [meta-tag:meta] will definitely link you to the meta tag, and is required if the tag you are using also exists on Stack Overflow. I don't know whether [tag:meta] will work for meta stuff, but if it does it would only be on tags that are meta-specific
 
In linux: if I have a dir foo with permissions drwxr-xr-x does chmod g-rw,o-rw foo remove the read/write for the group and other, while keeping read/write/execute for the owner? I don't have a linux box to verify ...
OK
@QPaysTaxes they claim they already ran that command. probably in some other dir ... causing all kind of issues later on. I'll tell them to try this first, thanks.
@QPaysTaxes no, I don't think so, it is private, sorry.
 
@SmokeDetector I edited it out.
 
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