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3:04 PM
@closey my stats
 
@Lankymart You've reviewed 0 posts today. The time between your first and last review today was 18 minutes and 55 seconds, averaging to a review every 31 seconds.
 
those stats
 
Closey is being weird again :c
 
Sam
I had to reboot her last night
The review count is cached while the times are fetched from a DB
We're working on moving everything to the DB
(slowly)
 
@Sam my offer of hosting stuff on my aws instance still stands btw. Tunaki just moved Burnaki fully over to it
or any other bots you need
 
Sam
3:11 PM
@TylerH Thanks, but my vps should suffice. :)
 
so that's how the 1% lives T_T
:-P
 
Sam
:p
 
3:22 PM
owo/
 
@Seth SAY THAT AGAIN I DARE YOU
 
@Tunaki o.ô Do you & closey have a thing going on? :o
 
Closey is being wired again :c
 
Is that why you are being so different today? O_O
Saying that your water's too hot 'n stuff?!
 
Touchy the fishy.
 
3:25 PM
pokes @Tunaki
 
Mm poke
 
NO DONT POKE AAAAAAAAAAAAA WHY NO DONT DO IT
 
Ohh yes >:)
 
system crash
 
I mean poke. often made from tuna.
 
3:28 PM
fish.reboot();
 
Hiya
 
pokes @Tunaki .... twice!
 
I should try making this.
 
@Tunaki Why don't poke?
 
3:29 PM
ugh. I need an antihistamine
 
Oyy, @Rizier123 Long time no see :)
@TylerH Whatever that is c:
 
@Seth I'm always here watching ;)
 
@Rizier123 ô_ô
But I wasn't here for a while...
 
@Seth stops a runny nose
it's too fast for me to catch it normally zing
 
@TylerH Ohh. Take a tissue & stuff it in your nose, works like a charm =D
 
3:32 PM
That doesn't stop the running, just the leaking =w=
 
Smartass ô.ô
 
@Seth yeah but then I just look like a tool
 
@TylerH Don't you mean fool? o.o
 
@Seth no a tool
fool would work too
tool is another way of calling someone a bit of a douche bag
 
Ooooh
Why would you look like a douchebag with tissues in your nose?
:o
 
3:40 PM
It's got a broader usage here
you could be a tool if you do something silly/stupid even if it's not directly antagonizing another person
 
"WFH when it makes sense." This job benefit is surprisingly reasonable.
 
what is WFH
oh work from home
the worst feel is when you dump hundreds of X tag questions into the queue and then can't review them in the queue T_T
 
It's a shame that you have to market WFH as a benefit.
 
@TylerH Ahh, I see :D
 
Obviously, not every industry can have WFH, but if it's literally blizzarding and you're not 24-hour on-site IT support, I'd expect you to be able to WFH <_<
I remember once when our fire department got snowed in.
Volunteers being asked to work for 48 hours = cabin fever.
 
3:47 PM
Yeah in most tech jobs you should be able to work from home unless you need to have on-site support for physical reasons, aka hardware/desktop support
but a lot of people don'twork well from home
too much distraction, or not enough drive to focus on work
and it's hard to say whether your employees are actually working their 40 hours (or whatever full time is wherever you work)
 
There's an (un-)delte fight going on on this post due to a meta I posted. What do we do with it? I maintain that it should be deleted in its present state, but it keeps on being undeleted, without anyone actually fixing the thing.
 
I work well from home. I can wear my toast and no one will judge me.
 
@Adriaan Meta needs to have wars
let it be
 
I would not touch that.
 
@TylerH That's not quite right. Anyway, that should not be the problem, if people have the choice. Problem is many companies want to have control over what and how their employees work. It is a matter of surveilance.
 
3:52 PM
Looks like a giant stinker waiting to explode.
I mean, if you WFH and do absolutely nothing, then you're not helping, but if you WFH because you have the flu and don't want to infect the office, you're helping.
Even if you only work at half capacity, because working at half-capacity in the office with the flu turns everyone into half capacity =w=
WFH for sickness, having to watch the house, take care of sick kids, reasonable stuff. Because chances are if you aren't WFH, you'll be taking part of the day off and that also impacts capacity.
 
@Tunaki I edited my meta Q, hopefully some of the undeleters will now step forward to actually give an in depth explanation as to why this question is perfectly fine for the Stack Overflow format.
 
@Adriaan too broad; deletion is ok.
 
@Compass and some business combat that by controlling how much PTO you have
 
Mine is nice about it.
We can take leave in 8-hour increments.
If we do an honest bit of work, it counts as a full day's work even if you have to clock out for a doctor.
 
@Adriaan Yeah don't try to take a deeper role in that. You raised an issue, and now people are fighting, maybe because everyone is extremely hot with what is happening on that other subject? Anyway, I'd let it go
 
3:56 PM
@TylerH PTO?
 
@Olaf yes, as it has been twice, and undeleted twice
 
@Olaf paid time off
 
@Tunaki hmkay. What will happen now? Will a mod lock it? Delete and lock it? Will the war keep going?
 
All hell broke loose already. The end is NEAR
 
if you take time off in the US, a lot of time you are required to use PTO that you have accrued from hours worked
 
3:58 PM
@TylerH Ok. That's here by law for employees if you are sick or take free days off (24-30 working days/year, depending on your contract).
 
Sam
@Clo room stats details
 
@Sam Today, 4 members have reviewed a total of 73 items.
 | User       | Review Items Today |
 |---------------------------------|
 | Lankymart  | 36                 |
 | Ferrybig   | 15                 |
 | 4castle    | 13                 |
 | Tiny Giant | 9                  |
 
@Rizier123 interestingly that user got ~1k rep on RU.so, and used the assoc bonus to come here
 
@Adriaan Let's see if it will be undeleted thrice then. I'm absolutely with you and cannot understand Brad's position.
 
my place has sick days and PTO.
 
4:03 PM
@Olaf comment's don't make it clear to me why this cesspool of recommendation answers is perfectly fine in 2017 either
 
I use sick days for sick, it is very generous :)
 
^ that's the way to go
 
My old job, you'd get 15 PTO a year.
I'd end up using most of it because sick :(
 
ryanyuyu has started reviewing!
ryanyuyu passed a audit!
ryanyuyu passed a audit!
 
@Compass Including monday or friday "sickness"? :-)
 
4:04 PM
Closey is lagging or something.
Also I haven't run into an audit yet today. Those were from yesterday?
 
@Compass That would not be allowed in Germany
@Compass And Sick-days count extra. They are not subtracted from your PTO days.
 
In NL the minimum is 21 vacation days, of which you need to take at least 10 in succession (i.e. 2 weeks off in total). Sick days are different; afaik an employer needs to pay you 70% wage for up to 2 years of being chronically ill.
 
Sam
@ryanyuyu Yeah
 
Well, I had actual sleep issues since my last job sucked.
 
Sam
It's just a hiccup from rebooting her last night.
 
4:06 PM
I can only carry 10 days of leave over every year
 
Sam
It shouldn't happen again.
 
so I took a forced 3-day vacation last week
 
"shouldn't"
 
Wednesday through Friday, so it wouldn't expire.
 
Sam
@ryanyuyu ;)
 
4:07 PM
@Adriaan That's quite similar here. Although I'm not up-to-date with the exact numbers. I'm no employee
 
My old job was super-miserable
I was depressed and earning not enough to pull myself out of bed some of the time
 
@Olaf neither am I :D
 
@Compass Which country is that?
@Adriaan But I'm not a student either - I have to work for my income :-þ
 
@Olaf oh, I am a student. I drink beer on a government allowance :D
 
United States
 
4:10 PM
Home of the western-world sweat-shops
 
Thoughts on this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/15058920 - I don't understand what "lordliness" refers to in the edit comment
 
well, when you earn 30K a year with a Master's in Comp Sci...
 
@AndrewLi it's a decent edit.
 
@Adriaan I anticipated that already. Enjoy your time. Wait until you have to work in a company ...
 
Gets rid of rambling noise.
 
4:12 PM
Okay then
 
shambles along... zombeh kitteh
 
I guess "lordliness" is referring to all of the overly conversational throat-clearing/filler.
That's fine in chat
But a bit distracting in such a long answer. Conciseness is generally better.
 
Ok
Approved
 
back
 
Hi
 
4:14 PM
o/
 
Nathan (not "back")
 
@Sam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Compass USD or Euros?
 
Closey is alive!
 
not much difference though
 
Sam
4:16 PM
Yeah
 
@AndrewLi I think "lordliness" on that comment means "condescension" which is "an attitude of patronizing superiority; disdain"
 
yeah, although it wasn't really condescending IMO. Just way too conversational
 
Agreed.
 
30K USD
my old job
As the only Java dev on site.
My proudest accomplishment was writing a Java clone of MS Access entirely alone.
 
...
were you uh... busy?
 
4:20 PM
By busy, do you mean being asked to come in on a Saturday when there was a forecast blizzard to do data entry because the data entry team was unable to finish and they wanted to leverage someone with a high typing rate?
 
@Olaf work? Company? What are those terms?!? I'll just continue with a PhD after I graduate and then keep sticking around in academia :P
 
Corrected to mention that the data entry team did not suck, but was mostly unequipped to handle the amount of data entry so a Java programmer was somehow recruited to work on a weekend without overtime.
 
that's BS
 
@Adriaan Jobs at universities are not how the used to be anymore. The wind is blowing rougher there and it will become even worse.
 
Yeah, that's what my life used to be like.
 
4:22 PM
but it's better now?
 
It was a rough patch since I had been kicked out of grad school and never got into medical school.
OH YEAH IT'S LOADS BETTER NOW.
 
yay
 
I can be the toast-equipped cat I always wanted to be.
Reasonable hours, health care. The only major benefit that I miss is unlimited soda :(
 
urgh that answer. No explanation, just a code dump ^
 
@Compass your nutrition probably doesn't miss that though.
 
4:24 PM
Nope, I just buy my own soda to compensate! \(owo)/
 
@Compass I mean, you found time to create an MS Access clone entirely in Java, so you must've had quite a bit of free time
 
well, this was a medical company
you dont expect the average people to know how to use PgAdmin =w=
 
Tyler, you code in the medical field right?
 
I'm sure his project goals were more reasonable
 
@ryanyuyu sort of
I work for a hospital yes
 
4:27 PM
is that fun?
 
well, the healthcare is great (for America)
 
The concept of working for a hospital vs working for a pharmaceutical research company is potentially diffferent.
 
and they pay me decently
but I don't do nearly as much code writing as I'd like
and it's a lot of basic stuff, aka VBA, some JavaScript, PowerShell, etc.
 
I will one day learn powershell
 
right?
 
4:28 PM
there's some demand for webapps in .NET MVC but we have a dedicated web developer who does most of that
 
Heh, .NET
 
asp.net
 
hides in a corner You can't make me touch that again.
Coming from Java to .NET is painful when you aren't taught any of the .NET and must learn while building
 
Hey, at least it's not classic ASP
that stuff is so bad
afk
 
ASP: You try to shoot yourself in the foot, but the most advanced thing you can manage is to cut your wrist.
 
4:32 PM
it's way better than java
 
@TylerH Shush ^`o_o´^
g2g, cya guys :)
 
bye
 
I've programmed for years in Java. It's not the best language, but at least it works as I expect it to, and with stuff like Spring and Maven, it's a lot easier for me to pick up and learn new libraries.
 
4:58 PM
looks like it's gone then
 
@Braiam you can't use square brackets inside square brackets denoting a link
 
5:15 PM
If anyone is rocking a netgear router you should check this out. Thy have a vulnerability and need to be updated.
 
@NathanOliver rock's too soft, I prefer death metal!
 
Welp! We need the rescue team for gunr... he has been on a meeting since 20h ago
 
@Braiam oh, brilliant
 
on the gripping hand: my internet sucks more than normal lately...
 
5:25 PM
Slow?
or cutting out?
 
probably my isp issued router fault, round trips pings are in the 4k ms average!
brb checking cables
 
ouch
 
I think I found a loose cable, lets wait and see
nope, pings still as ridiculous as ever
 
What is the result if you ping google?
 
ok, now pings are 4.9ms average to my router (1 hop), lets see if it stays
 
5:33 PM
@Braiam I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
why wasn't this deleted? stackoverflow.com/q/5595799/792066
 
Roomba script says because it is not closed
 
well, that script doesn't account for the abandoned reason
neither the downvote nor the 1 year one
 
Does the 3rd comment stop it?
 
yeah right
darn, I want roomba to ignore comments so badly
 
5:48 PM
It is funny that it doesn't since comments are supposed to be ephemeral.
 
6:03 PM
Hello!
 
6:31 PM
I am back from lunch. Today, I endeavored to try the naked chicken chalupa.
 
Hiya Mr. back from lunch
 
6:58 PM
breathe
 
lol
PANICKING!!!!
 
why? :)
 
@MikelF It seems to be the Trending these days
 
Because why not
 
good points
 
6:59 PM
What did I just miss? Was it a link to that meta post or to a discussion about it?
 
Those are my questions as well
That dang curiosity when you see a (removed)
I saw that ಠ_ಠ
Next time, do it when I'm not watching to see who posts a message only to delete it
 
Let's do the experiments in the Testing facility
 
You win Mikel
 
7:15 PM
Down to the fact that you copied in the voting controls, you donut! — jonrsharpe 51 secs ago
 
wonders if calling someone a donut is rude
 
I'd consider it, given it's a doughnut
 
jonrsharpe is rather sharp, as always
 
Or Do'h-nuts
 
I go meh
 
7:18 PM
same
 
I'd say non-constructive
 
this is used as an is good example: stackoverflow.com/q/9452701/578411
thoughts?
 
FYI I posted a meta seeing if we can get the quality filter to find those @rene
 
@NathanOliver I could make a filter for FireAlarm
 
@NobodyNada That would be a good filter IMHO
I think I am going to get my 100th bronze badge on meta today
 
7:30 PM
oh man
now I need to change my upvote to a downvote
 
lol
Someone actually did down vote it. I guess I won't share the waffles with them ;)
 
ah there it is. +11/-1
 
Every good meta post needs at least a down vote
 
Otherwise it's not controversial enough?
 
7:33 PM
@NathanOliver Someone should answer your meta post with 10 down vote favorite Yes we should implement this. :P
 
oh my
 
I feel strange when my post are all upvotes and no downvotes....
 
@Braiam Oh, that's easy to change. We don't want you to feel uncomfortable.
On second though: I feel uncomfortable DVing posts without reason ... I'll leave i; better you feel uncomfortable than me.
:-D
 
@Olaf Making him feel better does count as a reason.
 
@Rizier123 :p
 
7:40 PM
I'm perfectly okay with downvoting questions willy nilly
 
@MikelF Hmm, I'm not convinced. Can you link a meta or FAQ about that? (But feel free yourself)
 
Never said it was a good reason.
 
Can we just blame Tim?
 
Because of that meta post? I'm in.
But wait... aren't we just shooting the messenger?
 
@NathanOliver alright. I don't know how long it will be before I have time to work on it though
 
7:45 PM
@NobodyNada No hurries. Brad just commented that it only shows up on 430 deleted posts so it is not a high volume issue.
 
But it's probably been edited out a bunch of times too
 
Maybe.
 
(or too broad, it's going to win anyways)
 
@Braiam if you feel that strange, here's SEDE of your meta answers with no downvotes
 
Woah! You creep me out @ryanyuyu
102/314
 
7:54 PM
today I'm bored
and I need to practice SQL
 
But that doesn't include deleted posts...
 
which we believe have more
 
8:05 PM
@QPaysTaxes I think you need to offer them some waffles :P
 
@QPaysTaxes Yes, I mind but people might follow you to the Silly Hats room or whatever it is called and you're free to announce the stuff there
 
@QPaysTaxes I do? :p
 
I care about waffles.
 
@BhargavRao Mods have the ability to convert a comment to an answer, right?
 
@QPaysTaxes This room
 
8:07 PM
Or is just the other way around?
 
@TylerH No they don't.
 
@TylerH The other way round
 
@BhargavRao bummer
 
Please join @QPaysTaxes in the The Ministry of Silly Hats for his beta-testing
 
8:09 PM
@BhargavRao I was hoping that would be a feature request for mods to get that power
but I guess that works
The commenter is online now though so I'll just comment telling them to post it as an answer themselves
A dozen different search queries on trying to find out why I couldn't see all these menus in MS Access
Turns out the solution is simply to hold shift when you open the file
 
@QPaysTaxes yeah, no. You could star my earlier message though ... that should keep it on the starboard for a while
I asked an RO to keep an eye on that room
@QPaysTaxes yw
 
@ryanyuyu I think this does the same thing data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackoverflow/query/622064 cc @Braiam
 
@Tunaki that looks more polished, yeah. I was thinking very iteratively.
 
Wait no hat's wrong
 
right. Joining to the correct table. But the not exists is better since we're not actually concerned with the specific number of downvotes (just that it's non-zero).
 
8:26 PM
 
8:40 PM
@Tunaki I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Hmm you only caught the second review my Lord
 
Tunaki passed a audit!
 
yay Tuna
 
yay
@approxiblue y u no post that comment as answer
 
I have answer anxiety
 
8:50 PM
but you get badges
and updoots
 
and maybe more badges for those upvotes updoots
 
meta updoots won't help me move up in the world :(
alright fine, I can make it an answer
 
yeah, post all what you did, and what OP can / should do if they encounter the situation again
 
as in, make a new synonym request if the tag reappears?
 
Sure.
@approxiblue Small example [OH THE SPAM ILL BE BANNED] meta.stackoverflow.com/a/335624/1743880
 
8:55 PM
Can ROs kick themselves?
 
@ryanyuyu No.
they can kick other ROs though
 
@Tunaki nice, I'll steal this; do we have the 3am thing in a meta faq? I can't find it so far
 
@approxiblue Somewhere on MSE. Will try to dig up something
@ryanyuyu Sadly, no :(
Easier to find when you're querying the answer though.
 
I found this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/213993 but yours is better. Thanks!
 

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