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12:06 AM
@PeterVaro @PM2Ring have a cover
 
 
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3:04 AM
@Ffisegydd did idjaw have to show his long form birth certificate? Did you put an end to the birthers?
 
3:21 AM
hey, I am trying to understand why am I not able to do a db upgrade use flask-migrations, after I all the tables in the database have been dropped. Here's the question:http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40247361/flask-migrate-upgrade-not-working-after-drop-table/40248568#40248568
Would someone mind helping me out here ?
 
3:50 AM
@davidism you answered my question: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40247361/flask-migrate-upgrade-not-working-after-drop-table/40248568#40248568

I have some doubt still with the answer though, which I have commented on your answer. Was wondering if you could help me clear my understanding about it.
 
 
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5:10 AM
cbg
 
cbg
 
i wonder if there are AI program, where instead of directly inferring something from raw data, the data is visualized and then an agent equipped with vision infers something from the image..
either a really redundant and silly idea or possibly useful one..
 
5:48 AM
Do scrapy spiders consume more data than screen scrapers?
 
?
 
what does "cbg" mean?
 
cabbage
See here
 
6:04 AM
ok, thanks
 
hey
need some web scraping help?
anyone here to guide
 
@neenkart @user1910502 please read the room rules too at sopython.com/chatroom
 
I didnt read the chat room rules, I just saw python and asked my question, sorry
 
read it so i guess no questions in chat
my bad sorry
 
hello does anyone using eclipse?
 
6:18 AM
@user1910502 well, it didn't say so, but as you wish
 
 
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7:47 AM
cabbage
 
cbg
 
8:03 AM
cbg
 
cbg
 
user559633
8:19 AM
cbg
 
@JohanLarsson cheers!
 
Man, just edited a question to PEP8-ify it. Then I had to edit his added code. Now I've had to suggest that throwing the result of a comprehension away is a code smell. And all for no rep at all!
 
@holdenweb Sometimes we do things just to improve the community. ;)
 
user559633
I assume it was for a sub 100 rep user.
 
431, but I didn't bother to check until you asked. Maybe 431 is the new 100
 
user559633
8:30 AM
Oh, surprised if no recognition of effort then. When answering/helping a sub-100, I try to be zen about radio silence or lack of answer accept
 
8:55 AM
I try to be zen about them all the time
My answers are worth exactly what people pay for them
 
9:15 AM
Cabbage!
 
cbg
 
cbg
@holdenweb downvote and move on.
though,
 
Wow, @idjaw is now an RO! Congrats
 
if you downvote and comment that you're downvoting because of a bad question and bad formatting and what not, then you will get suspended for one year.
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala Surely there was more to it than that
 
9:22 AM
I would not like to talk about it, But certainly there was way way more to it
 
@tristan well, he used "colourful language", and hinted that it would've been in their personality.
so perhaps I am colouring it a bit, but yes.
Just downvote without a comment.
 
user559633
I imagine the language must have been quite direct and rude?
 
Could be that the worst comments have been removed
oftentimes he'd write on exactly what I was thinking, though.
 
user559633
I should probably get myself above 10k
 
Sigh, I forgot that. Sorry
 
user559633
9:28 AM
No need to be sorry :)
 
Hmmm, Too many screenshots to take. Get to 10k asap :D
 
10 min link
 
So you did not see the comment.
 
user559633
Got it :)
 
9:31 AM
let me find the comment
and the doing link suggests that you cannot create a new account on stack overflow without spending at least x minutes staring at the tour...
 
user559633
Maybe I'm "old internet", but I don't find Martin James's text that offensive. Newbies on SO don't spend any time with the tour and I've dealt with more than a handful unhinged, entitled newbies
 
@tristan he'd write such texts in comments, like "Crappily indented code, multiple undefined behaviors, downvoting, voting to close"
and he was damn right
I downvoted, and voted to close, without comments.
this was
 
user559633
Yeah, that's not wrong. I don't think all tags are created equal either.
 
I can understand his frustration because he'd want to answer C questions but there aren't any good
 
user559633
Yeah, I think we probably agree with why it's different. I stay away from because I don't feel justified in expecting anything from the asker
 
9:37 AM
python is so much easier but I always lose my faith in humanity when I look into C
I often need to downvote every single question on the front page of
 
user559633
I think I may spend Fridays just working in C from now on, so you'll probably see me in that tag soon
 
:D
I guess you can't lose your faith in humanity...
 
user559633
:) exactly (i know exactly where you're going with that comment)
 
:D
-1
Q: bring the shifted number to first of it in C programing

Mohammad JavanshahI want to make a program to do this: When it get 10 = (binary)1010 -> 10>>1 -> 101 but I want that when it shifts for 1 bit, it should be like 0101. #include <stdio.h> int main() { int a =0; int b = 0; int c = 0; scanf("%d",&a); c = (a >> 1); printf("%...

"the result is 101, but I want the result to be 0101"
 
user559633
eh, that's just a bit of innocence
 
9:45 AM
@AnttiHaapala the comments there though.
I'd rather stay away from [c].
 
user559633
printf("%d%d%d%d\n", ((c&0x08)>>3), ((c&0x04)>>2), ((c&0x02)>>1), (c&0x01));
 
user559633
 
user559633
"I'm not judging the correctness of your answer, I'm considering the question not clear, so better to ask for clarification before to push keyboard buttons" ~= "There is no room for intuition; I don't care if you've answered hundreds of questions and can spot patterns"
 
user559633
9:49 AM
 
macrumors button
I want an optimus
 
user559633
If that's the actual keyboard, RIP being able to quickly adjust volume/switch songs/change display brightness without looking
 
user559633
Besides typing cyrillic, I can't remember the last time I looked at the keyboard
 
... like MS office and the hidden menu items...
as I've said so many times, if Microsoft had designed a piano, it would be such that the frequently used keys would automatically move to the centre where they'd be easier to find.
@tristan isn't there any IME where you'd write the transliteration in Latin letters?
translit.cc like this
 
user559633
Maybe -- but I'd rather just learn the layout. I use phonetic Russian when in a rush, which others do as well
 
user559633
9:56 AM
Oh, that's a cool website
 
Михаил Горбачёв
works for me when I realized I need to type yo for ë
Антти Хаапала
damn... that is a good website.
я не говорю по-русски
 
Hmm, Antti is typing in russian. Should we be afraid?
 
@BhargavRao Не бойтесь, товарищ. У нас есть печенье.
 
Ho Lee Lord. What's that
 
:D
 
10:03 AM
@tristan It’s great…
There is no escape from courage…
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala я тохе. мои русскии не очен хорошо, но сеичас я могу бут бутструм
 
Google translate says: "but now I can bottle butstrum"
ok,
 
@vaultah why is there a blue patch below your profile picture?
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala "me too. my russian is not good, but now i can be fast"
 
user559633
10:05 AM
@poke Haha. They're so brave.
 
@tristan Not sure if brave is the correct word…
 
Anybody else seeing that?
 
@Bhargav I’m not
 
user559633
@BhargavRao That's just on you. Looks like issue with rendering
 
10:06 AM
@BhargavRao hmm, weird
 
@BhargavRao nope
@tristan hmm shouldn't that be y not u in Latin?
 
user559633
@poke The year is 2017. Apple has bravely removed all usb ports from its flagship laptop and has courageously decided to continue shipping laptops with 4gb of RAM
 
@BhargavRao connection interrupted
 
user559633
@BhargavRao hard refresh the page. looks like an issue with his avatar asset on your local cache
 
10:08 AM
@tristan what next, an entry level model with 2G :D and $100 cheaper price
 
@tristan So is the USB port removal really confirmed now?!
@Bhargav Open the image directly and try Ctrl+F5
 
user559633
@poke Oh, I don't know about that. I heard they wanted to go to USB-C. They legitimately are still shipping laptops with 4 gigglebytes of RAM.
 
Hmm, Nope. Looks like an issue with FF. It's perfect on Chrome
@poke That size works. The issue is only with s=24.
 
@tristan USB C is fine (in theory) if there are still more ports than just one…
@BhargavRao Oh! Yes, I’m seeing that there as well! But that’s not the size displayed in chat for me.
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala Yeah. I had to do a bit of guesswork in how to get it to do y (typically i use 'oo')
 
10:11 AM
Same problem on Chrome and IE though
 
Oh Yeah,
On chrome it's a different size for me as well.
 
@tristan google says fast is быстр--
 
user559633
@poke Agreed. If they remove the headphone jack or require a dongle, I'm going to hard pass on this generation of macbook pros
 
(I really haven't studied Russian except 3 weeks worth in high school)
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala oooh yeah i totally just skipped that by visual scan of "yeah that seems to be the right size/shape for that word"
 
10:15 AM
@tristan Those changes on a device that’s (a) expensive enough to have ALL THE PORTS, (b) has enough free space around on the sides to have ALL THE PORTS, and (c) has enough users that actively require ALL THE PORTS, not having ALL THE PORTS is a terrible move (courage or not) and will ultimately hurt themselves a lot.
Mac books are very popular with developers, but I can’t think of a developer who would be happy without a headphone jack, an escape key, and few/no usable USB ports…
 
user559633
@poke I can see this perspective. For my part though, I only use two USB ports (external audio controller and because logitech has an RF reader for their MX pro mouse instead of using bluetooth like sane people)
 
user559633
Yeah, the headphone jack is the total non-starter for me. Losing the ability to adjust screen brightness/volume/back-play-forward by feel is annoying, but not being able to just plug in headphones without carrying around an adapter is a no-go.
 
do we have anyone who has recentishly registered as a google developer?
 
10:35 AM
` a=[1,2,2]
b=[1,2,3,4]
c=[1,2,4]
d=[22]
print min(a,b,c,d)`
 
@johnsmith the backticks are not working on multiline text, however, you can indent them, or you can click on the fixed font button and they will be tread as code blocks -- you can also edit your last message for a short amount of time
 
@PeterVaro Thanks , I will keep this in my mind next time
 
*treated
 
11:04 AM
cbg
 
cbg
@johnsmith looks like you forgot to ask a question.
 
11:58 AM
cabbage
 
user559633
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D:
can I get a signed copy?
 
user559633
~~effort~~
 
Oh that looks lovely on the starboard
 
Yeah
 
11:59 AM
Heh, I just realized the star board is on the right side, so it's a starboard star board
 
user559633
looks like the game of life decided to quit
 
That's... depressing
 
Game of death? Sounds great.
 
user559633
@KevinMGranger that's actually how i remember it when i'm out on my yacht
 
You have a yacht? Isn't the water in NJ toxic?
That's why the bagels and pizza are so good, no?
 
user559633
12:01 PM
(i don't actually own a yacht (although i did semi-seriously consider getting one (mostly because of yacht rock)))
 
Set one of your computer's hostnames to yacht. Then you do.
Hey, there's no property tax on a boat, right? Just marina fees?
 
Vacuum flasks are one honking great idea -- let's have more of those!
 
Fun fact: I helped build a ship with an actual board on the right-hand side.
 
Are you a viking??
 
@MartijnPieters something something Most Interesting Man in the World
 
12:05 PM
He's a ninja viking
@AndrasDeak *and talented
 
yuppp
 
Fun fact, my son did a lot more work on it than I did. This is him watching from the ship the King and Queen of Norway being shown some of the tools by the project manager (at the launch):
@WayneWerner I have the height and the hair. I opted out of the beard however.
 
user559633
the ninja game is strong in the offspring
 
So that's why it's port and starboard. The left side would dock at the port because you wouldn't want to crush the board. Excellent
 
user559633
no, i'm pretty sure it comes from SO
 
12:10 PM
Wait, but what's the significance of the shippy star board?
 
user559633
steering board side. most people are right handed, so control of steering oar on right
 
aaaah
weird vikings
 
12:26 PM
Now I've seen it all.
> Congratulations on being chosen to represent your professional community in the 2016 Edition of Women of Excellence.
7
The URL included is even more puzzling: http://www.woeawardss.com/<random string of characters and digits>/archbishop-instructional
 
@MartijnPieters That's what I'm talking about, you have an endless number of facets to your brilliance
 
The double ss in the domain name confirms this is a phishing attempt, but still.
 
Today I'm annoyed that the first halves of "anxious" and "anxiety" are pronounced differently. Either anxiety should be "ankh-she-uh-tee"; or anxious should be "aang-zeye-us".
 
I'm still hung up on "awesome" and "aweful" being opposites.
 
And "cleave" can mean both "bring together" and "cut in half"
 
12:39 PM
@Kevin blame it on the French?
@Kevin I wasn't aware of the former meaning
that's plain silly
Get your shit together, English
 
As does "clip"
 
> If I do not remember thee, let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth.
-- Psalm 137:6
Ooh, how about "sanction", which can mean "permit" and "forbid"
 
it can also mean penalty, right?
 
user559633
haha yeah and what's the deal with bills that say "final notice" when they're just going to send someone to your door anyway?!
 
so it might just be "something declared to someone else" or something
@Kevin I can sort of see why a cleavage would bring people together...
 
12:45 PM
mmhmm, it is so.
 
morning cabbage
 
cbg
 
@MartijnPieters wasn't that the organization that named a man the woman of the year?
 
"___" of the year titles have really lost meaning ever since I was Time magazine's 2006 person of the year.
 
angular2 or reactjs? :D
 
12:55 PM
@KevinMGranger axolotl face of the year?
 
@BhargavRao Thank you. :)
temp cbg
 
Woooo, Look at that name in italics! :D
 
haha
 
Cabbage Cap'n
 
cabbage
 
12:58 PM
are axolotls ok in the chat?
 
That's cute. How do I obtain one
 
Late to the first day of RO?
5
 
You ask a lot to have us permit axolots
 
@AndrasDeak 2006 time had a mirror in the front cover...
 
@AnttiHaapala I'm aware of the concept, but "___" looks like an axolotl to me
 
1:02 PM
In the Python room it is never a wrong time to explain a thing to somebody that already knows the thing. this I decree
May thats_the_joke.png never darken our doorway again
 
someone should make a decent terminal with a web browser integrated in it so I can be unbelievably lazy and never open more than one program
 
tmux+lynx
you're welcome
 
I'm sure emacs has a web browser in it
 
Just think of your operating system as one program, and the programs within it as tabs.
How convenient that I can browse the internet and type words on the same lightning box, instead of having to buy two
2
 
^^ Get this man a drink. He knows things.
 
1:07 PM
cronyism has begun
 
Where's the "promote to super duper RO" button...
 
^^ You are already assigned the status of Kevin.
 
maybe you can be elevated to Kevin/2 level
but further promotions come as levels of Kevin(1-1/2^n) to ensure the position of TOK
 
@corvid Only a terminal? How do you program then?
echo "if __name__ == '__main__':" >> myscript.py
echo "	main()" >> myscript.py
 
ed is the standard editor.
 
1:12 PM
Time to go
rbrb
 
rbrb
 
@KevinMGranger But a program within the terminal is still a program.
 
Leaving Early on the first day of RO? :P
rhubarb idjaw
 
anyone know of some good resources for setting/computing the version for your package?
(e.g. tutorial, blog post, whatever)
 
@BhargavRao typical bad employee behaviour. I'm expecting to see HR today on my attitude
 
1:14 PM
We're trying to do something like 0.1.2+2016.10.25-abcd12345 (where the last part is the VCS hash)
 
I guess beautifulsoup dont scrap linkedin
 
Morning cabbage.
 
@davidism, do you know any good GUIs for postgresql?
 
1:19 PM
pgadmin
 
@poke vim for all
 
@corvid I just use pycharm's DB interface.
 
@corvid But vim is a program!
 
Works quite well.
 
neovim has a built-in terminal. What else do you need?
 
1:20 PM
or yeah, I'm pretty sure most of the intellij ides have db support
 
the paid ones most certainly do
 
The only full-fledged programs that any computer needs: terminal and web browser. Why have anything else?
 
I sense a web developer
 
I've been figured out
 
1:35 PM
9 mins ago, by corvid
The only full-fledged programs that any computer needs: terminal and web browser. Why have anything else?
16 mins ago, by corvid
@davidism, do you know any good GUIs for postgresql?
Presented without comments.
 
he might have been joking (?)
 
I choose to believe that the corvid persona is genius performance art.
8
 
someday my points will be just like poke 130k
 
I am a satire
2
 
Call the police!
 
1:37 PM
ceci n'est pas un crow
 
@vaultah your face is...evolving:D
soon all of it will be lost to the void again
rhubarb, off to watch a defense
 
lol probably, this pic doesn't look that great when shrunk
 
@AndrasDeak rbrb
 
1:58 PM
@poke LMAO :)
 
user559633
ooh man, that's a really good costume -- sarcastic man. "oh i'm sooooo happy to be at this party. is that punch on the table? i looooove sugar in my alcohol"
 
2:26 PM
How the cabbage is repl.it importing all PyPI packages without running into version mismatches everywhere?
 
Quantum computing.
 
 
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3:34 PM
I suspect the answer to Why do printed characters disappear in this python code? is "carriage returns", but I haven't worked out the details for how the output wouldn't then begin with an apostrophe and comma
Not pleased that the answerer keeps referring to "JSON object" like it's a real thing
Patiently waiting for OP to provide MCVE... [skeleton.png]
 
hello room 6.
 
" it is not necessary that the answer which is posted should completely solve the problem" uhhh
I mean sometimes it's ok to post an answer that provides diagnostic information or whatever but he's literally just suggesting what OP already tried, and didn't find useful
 
Hey, new overlord idjaw.
 
@MorganThrapp ..... adds Morgan to list of OK people
 
Yay. :D
 
user559633
3:48 PM
/me adds idjaw to list of people that make lists
 
adds tristan to list of people who make meta-jokes
 
/me adds tristan to the list of people who keeps track of people who make lists
 
Adds self to list of people on lists
 
user559633
i figured we'd be two or three levels of recursion deep by now. we're getting slow in our old age
 
There's no recursion in python, get outta here
 
3:50 PM
Would you say it's a Stack Overflow?
 
/me adds "list of lists that contain themselves" to itself. The list was complete before the addition, and complete afterwards. This is not a paradox.
 
Welp, that's it. Shut the room down, can't move on from here.
 
user559633
>>> sys.getrecursionlimit()
room/6
 
(Hoping nobody asks "if the list is complete, does it contain "the list of lists that don't contain themselves"?")
 
user559633
sys.getrecursionlimit() should call itself and return the result after catching the exception
 
3:52 PM
How much paper is that list using?
 
user559633
@Kevin no, because the set notation thingie is an upside down cup and that scenario fell out
 
I know that using isinstance in control flow etc is generally considered bad practice - does the same apply in tests? I was thinking of explicitly checking, (e.g. as part a series of tests) that the output from a function is what I expect - that could be checked implicitly from other things, but explicit is better than implicit, etc.
 
@Withnail are you ultimately trying to do: docs.python.org/3/library/…
 
You presumably control the output of the function, so testing that it actually produces the right output sounds fine, although I'm not sure why you might expect something else.
 
3:57 PM
@idjaw oh nice, I hadn't seen that.
 
Usually you're testing the value or properties about the returned value, not the type of it.
 
@davidism Yeah, now that I've typed it out I'm not sure why i might expect something else, particularly in this case.
But the Assertisinstance link is nice anyway
 
The Beartatoniverse is a terrifying place.
 
4:13 PM
Should I just close this as a duplicate of "how to write a file"? stackoverflow.com/q/40266297
 
DSM
I seem to have missed a very starworthy morning. This is what happens when you stay up late hacking and sleep in-cabbage.
 
You also missed a full hour of complete silence.
Lesson: eventfulness is not evenly distributed.
 
4:39 PM
cbg @AnttiHaapala
 
20 minutes until my project's pre-planning-meeting planning meeting. We have to strategize what to say during the planning meeting so our great-grand-boss doesn't dump three months worth of tasks on us
No need to tell me "that's not how work is supposed to be assigned using agile methodology". I know. I really really know.
 
@davidism If you don't, I will
Especially since it's been an hour.
@Kevin Agile like an avalanche.
 
Waterfalls are just really warm avalanches. #showerthoughts
 
Do you guys add any mentions about your SO contributions to your LinkedIn?
 
Oh well, long day. Rhubarb all
 
4:43 PM
rbrb @holdenweb
 
rbrb. Enjoy.
 
@idjaw I feel like SO contributions are really respected in the industry
But I also would feel shitty for using them as a resume thing
 
Yeah. I'm looking more to add my profile in LinkedIn and not necessarily my CV.
 
My position continues to be "tell no one, lest the interviewer ask 'why do your usage statistics align perfectly with typical east-coast working hours?'"
Probably not as much of a concern for people that aren't at the top of the "total messages" list on the room info page
 
is hangouts down for anyone? I can't get on to hangouts at all
 
4:53 PM
It's loading very slowly for me.
 
ok. Not just me. Thanks.
 
If everyone was required to be on the receiving end of and deal with one of these questions before posting, I feel like question quality might go up.
 
cabbage
 
cabbage
 
5:25 PM
I'm working on a tram.
This is something of a novelty (in no small part due to free wifi)
 
5:50 PM
Thought I'd share if anyone wants to listen to stuff this afternoon about cloud and hosting. Two people from our neck of the woods gave talks, one on migrating from old platform to openstack and another is a discussion about OpenStack and AWS pricing
 
@idjaw That looks like an interesting talk. Thanks :)
 
@vaultah is going through an identity avatar crisis
np @gowrath
 
DSM
Anyone here use PowerShell and Python? I keep getting a NativeCommandError, and the various answers on the web either don't work for me (ISE vs non-ISE) or don't make sense.
 
What version of powershell are you running? I think you have 2 and one of 3, 4, or 5 installed by default.
 
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