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DSM
4:00 PM
@JonClements: but pandas never promised anything about what other libraries it exposes; it's not in the docs, and not part of the API. In practice they'd never do it, but we're talking about style here, and relying on an undocumented fact is bad style..
 
user6568562
For example : The more complicated a sentence is, the simpler it gets to create* it in English while you need much more redundant words to describe the same information in Arabic.
 
Not a rapper
 
@DSM True true... I'll import explicitly in future then ;)
 
@KevinMGranger applaud...applaud...well done...very well done.
 
@randomhopeful I want to say "information density"
 
4:02 PM
@tristan That's why I just shave my head
 
user6568562
@Kevin Nice ! Still better than the gobbledygook my search bar had to put up with. Thank you [ :
 
Syllables Per Instruction?
 
user6568562
I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't even think of using syllables. Information density gave me exactly what I wanted to read. I'll tell you once I know
 
Although "information density" is somewhat generic in that it can apply to a wide variety of scenarios where you're communicating. For example, web pages can have a certain information density in regards to unit area, or a programming language can have information density in regards to number of lines. Perhaps there's a more apt term specifically for human languages, but I don't know what it would be
 
user559633
4:07 PM
@WayneWerner I "know" you're kidding, but I legitimately did that for a year just so I wouldn't have to small talk at the barber
 
I do actually shave, though it's not to save small talk, it's because my hair can't be styled. Partially because there's not that much there, but it never really was partial to being styled
 
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@Kevin I see very well. I'll tell you should I ever find the specific term for human language [ :
 
Best thing was get it wet, put some mousse in it, and shake my head back and forth
 
I had the same barber for ten years until he retired... He appreciated that even describing the kind of haircut I wanted was a lot of talking by my standards. Sometimes our interaction would be limited to him saying "same same?" and me curtly nodding once.
Those were the golden times.
 
naturally very curly
 
DSM
4:09 PM
I just specify the setting on the electric razor. She may comment on the weather at the start, that's it. Works well.
 
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user6568562
Both Kevins were right : D
 
Nice.
 
Banana.
 
4:10 PM
@Kevin I have finally reached the point in my local cafe where I can go in, sit down, get a 'usual?' from 4 from 5 of the staff who work there, put my headphones in and my order arrives 10 minutes later. It's wonderful.
 
That the -m option also adds the current directory to sys.path, is obviously a security issue (see: preload attack). This behavior is similar to library search order in Windows (before it had been hardened recently). It's a pity that Python does not follow the trend and does not offer a simple way to disable adding . to sys.path. — ddbug 5 hours ago
 
That's not in 2, is it?
 
@KevinMGranger -Esm will do most of it, but yes I was added in 3.4
 
4:13 PM
ah
 
upon installing docker for mac
After wake-up from sleep mode, Docker for Mac may consume a large amount of system CPU indefinitely. This is a known issue on OS X Yosemite, as indicated in the release notes.

For now, restarting Docker for Mac will likely solve the problem.
yaaay
at least they let me know when opening the app
 
@Withnail I've got that at the pizza place near work. It's nice.
 
pfft...release notes...who reads those...amirite?
 
@idjaw what version is that?
1.12.0-a?
 
user559633
Not sure I see it (-m) as a security issue if you have to include it in the script invocation. At that point, you're permed as a user that can launch arbitrary commands.
 
4:15 PM
I definitely didn't see that at all...
 
@enderland are you running yosemite?
 
@idjaw oh. :)
 
whatever version is currently up here: docker.com/products/docker#/mac
I just downloaded it a couple minutes ago
 
I'm on el capitan... carry on
 
It's been a known issue through the last 4-5 releases for mac, since May iirc
 
4:16 PM
for some reason I never had it installed via app
 
I like Raymond Chen's description of attacks that require the attacker to already have near-complete privileges already: "It rather involved being on the other side of this airtight hatchway"
 
I installed whatever was letting me do stuff in shell
 
If the attacker can execute arbitrary python on your machine, you're already pwned
 
I like the "setup.py is arbitrary Python code and people make typos with pip install" attack more.
Even if "setup.py" couldn't be arbitrary, there's still nothing to stop the typo from installing a fork of the real code.
 
DSM
This is one of the reasons I'm not quite as hard on eval as other people. Yes, it's a new vector for arbitrary execution, and so is bad in theory, but there's no need to exaggerate.
 
Is it considered acceptable to downvote based on the presence of TVTropes links? I have homework I need to finish. — JesseTG 16 hours ago
every time
 
@WayneWerner I downvoted the Q out of principle
 
Rhubarb, Time for me to leave.
 
DSM
Lunchtime rhubarb for all!
 
rbrb @DSM
@BhargavRao rbrb
 
4:25 PM
rbrb @BhargavRao
 
I use pd.np an embarrassing amount of times, mostly in throwaways though.
 
@Ffisegydd good to hear :)
 
here you go people without toddlers. This is pretty much it: youtube.com/watch?v=DXDXy8YP3nw
 
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user559633
here you go, people with toddlers. this is pretty much it :P
 
4:37 PM
wait...I don't think I got it...
 
user559633
I think if we (gf and I) have kids, our plan will be from russia import babushka
 
^^ yes!
absolutely
 
Hmm, from russia with love is almost correct syntax
 
if distance(current_position, mom) < 5:
    purchase(address)
worked beautifully
 
4:51 PM
I probably shouldn't click that link because I'm in a meeting
 
it's a video that's very loud
so, yes. you should
 
My bosses wouldn't appreciate what I assume is... Evangelion themed electronica.
 
It's just music at normal volume. You should click it later though.
 
user559633
make sure to open this one at full volume and point to your laptop while the audio is playing
 
4:52 PM
oh wait...davidisms link
nvm....:P
 
Speaking of things davidism told me to have, I installed Livestreamer and it works great. No more sitting through "please turn off your adblocker" ads.
 
@Kevin It's actually not that at all. The name is from Link to the Past, but the song has nothing to do with either.
 
insufficient dropz for my purposes
 
user6568562
@davidism Very very nice. Reminds me of the first regen wave of Synth pop (Midnight juggernauts, Van She)
 
... But now I have to sit through every show's OP because I can't figure out if fast-forwarding is possible
Still an improvement though.
 
4:54 PM
@Kevin I think there's an option to make fast-forward work better, but I haven't looked into it.
Just pick shows where the op/ed is actually good or changes over time.
 
sayonara zetsubou sensei it is. ♫ bure bure bure
 
I just finished Gakkou Gurashi, which has an amazing twist at the end of the first episode, and the op changes over time to reflect what's happening. Do not look up spoilers before watching the first episode, and do not give up on the first episode.
 
Ah yeah, I watched 6-ish episodes of that show. 5/7 pretty good
 
It got slow during the middle, but got great again at the end.
 
I read the manga up until view spoiler or something like that
 
4:58 PM
The Harry Potter movies had something similar with the WB intro part
 
@tristan I have a co-worker I DESPERATELY need to send that to.
 
user6568562
 
@Kevin yeah, show changes the order / details of a lot of things. I started reading the manga.
 
Omg. I'm having to go back and re-trawl the twitter data I pulled about 18 months ago to fill out gaps that my crap-o-rama code from back then missed, and I have no idea what past-me was doing. Past me is always a dick.
I guess "WHY DID I DO THIS LIKE THIS!?" is a sign of learning, but oh god.
 
user559633
5:04 PM
At least it's not "whoa, this code is above my head" and then you scroll up and you're the author. That feeling sucks.
 
hahahaha
i suspect I may have some way till that happens.
 
recabbage
 
I've looked at things a couple of times and thought "Oh, that's quite nicely done, I like that".
But mostly it's hating past me
 
flowers for Algernon
 
5:10 PM
man, this room is alive nowadays
 
Nowadays?
 
This room is always lit son
 
@WayneWerner we don't put any butter in crepes and they work great (although we do put sunflower oil into it, so that might be the same effect mod fat)
 
There's been a slight uptick in average posts per day/week in the last few years, but nothing major.
 
well, in the past two days when I clicked "load to my last message" after few hours of afkness, it linked to the transcripts instead
it usually doesn't do that:)
 
5:14 PM
then you need to stop going afk
that's your fault
 
I have no excuse
 
user6568562
Keywords from Kevin & Kevin led me to this fantastic book : The Information: A History, A Theory, A Flood
 
Kevin & Kevin? I don't remember starting a law firm...
 
user6568562
A Google search consultancy agency, actually. You'd be surprised about the market readily available for such a business model : D
 
I hate it when there are two answers, mine and OP's and mine is the ugly/bad one :(
 
DSM
5:22 PM
That's what is for!
 
cbg
Back after a long day of doing jack shit
 
stackoverflow.com/q/39396326 too broad, one more vote
 
Great answer! You should accept it, I definitely won't mind. — vaultah 2 mins ago
 
user6568562
It's a highly recommended and common copywriting tactic to make the most relevant sentences bold, so you can skim through the long post much faster and still understand what it's about.
 
The OP's answer is more deservant, even if it is a derivation of mine
 
user6568562
5:27 PM
We got a Zweistein over here
 
twostone?
 
user6568562
An Einstein 2.0
 
boldface in text should be a criminal offence
maybe just a misdemeanour; underlining should be a felony
 
Egh, deservant is not a word, is it?
 
It's a word :)
 
5:30 PM
Rather than using bold to call attention to the things that actually matter, just write your question with only the things that actually matter. This is a Q&A site, not a blog. — davidism 21 secs ago
 
user559633
@vaultah "Deserving"
 
@davidism nice
 
user6568562
@davidism Exactly : D
 
@tristan thanks 🙁
 
user559633
@vaultah No need for sad-face. English is a kludge, especially outside of infinitive forms
 
5:33 PM
Huh, I actually would've expected that deservant was a word.
 
besides, if you're not a native, you're being courteous by using a language that the natives understand:P
 
And I'm a native speaker.
 
DSM
The -ant suffix does often indicate a person involved in an action (thought of too many counterexamples to my first wording.)
 
If only you had paid more attention to G-Man in Half-Life 2: "No one is more deserving of a rest, and all the effort in the world would have gone to waste until... well, let's just say your hour has... come again."
Then again, never actually learn to speak by listening to G-Man.
 
user559633
@idjaw thoughts on Ire Works? I had an initial "oh gross" reaction to it, but have listened to it twice in the past 2 days, and now I'm not sure how to react to it
 
5:36 PM
For some reason that's the example that popped into my head for "deserving". Most notable use of the word I can remember.
 
@DSM as in Atom Ant? ;)
 
I would expect that the deservant is deserving of whatever.
 
His speaking style is like the opposite of William Shatner.
 
 
DSM
"servant", "descendant", "defendant", etc.
 
5:38 PM
Don't let anyone tell you that a word isn't "real" ( ◕‿◕✿)
 
pedant...oh not that
 
user559633
@Kevin Meclastinant, as always, Kevin
 
Impressive, not a single google result.
 
> Well you, madam, are a fastizio. There, see, I can make up words, too.
 
DSM
(must.. resist.. obvious.. Simpsons.. reference..)
 
5:40 PM
@tristan That really mimsied my borogroves
 
user559633
I'm just very increotavient. Sorry, ugh, rules to nonsense languages are confusing. Increotavious.
 
You're making me speak Hungarian. You won't like me when I speak Hungarian.
 
Another successful fire drill! When I wish my company would burn down, I do it safe in the knowledge no lives would be lost.
2
 
user559633
Can't tell if having a stroke or hearing the names of startups.
 
5:42 PM
 
@tristan Nah, too many vowels for startup names.
Incrtvs!
 
DSM
I'd probably pronounce that "incretus", thinking the v was to make it seem Latiny.
 
@MorganThrapp can we close that shit now? Already 3 answers
I'm losing a lot of rep
 
Cbg, antti.
 
5:43 PM
@davidism Gotcha. This was my first question here. I'll do it better next time. :) — Gabriel 41 secs ago
success!
 
clap
 
@AndrasDeak pew pew
 
tips hat
 
downvoted all the things
 
heather's answer is the only one that wouldn't have fit in a comment
I'm still on the fence about downvoting that one
 
user559633
5:45 PM
I like the approach to this "plugin". No docs, just copy and paste.
 
@tristan Sounds like they need SO(tm) Documentation(tm)(tm).
Sales Guy Defends Rude Slack Message To DevOps "i thought you were a bot"
 
user559633
@MorganThrapp that's actually a decent use case. repfarm to motivate basic docs
 
That's how code reuse used to work at one place I worked
 
@tristan Oh, definitely. It's one of the first real use cases I've seen for it. :P
 
@tristan hem... copypaste what? the examples were compiled :P
 
5:49 PM
@MorganThrapp you have a message from that 50k typo answerer..... please handle them, I don't want to gang up:P
and you'll probably be more diplomatic
 
I mean, my whole message would just be "I disagree". I'm just going to leave it alone. They're welcome to that opinion.
 
@tristan didn't even say "... and the source is available here"
 
:(
so @tristan your dickbutt getting locked: is that a regular thing, or only used for flagged/dubious new accounts?
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak bit of column A and a bit of column B, I suppose.
 
5:56 PM
why can't people read questions on SO correctly
 
they're butts
 
I should write a "how to get difficult questions better received on SO" MSO post
 
minimum number of lines that will be needed to make "N" squares
how can i do this
 
user559633
how is this python related?
 
@JaswanthKumar what have you tried so far?
 
5:59 PM
Sounds more like a brain teaser than a program requirement, really
 
i need to progrmatically
 
make_squares(N) in my language I just made up. One! That's actually the only standard library function.
 
user559633
@JaswanthKumar what code have you written, where are you stuck?
 
i was cant able break down the logic
 
draw a picture
 
6:01 PM
These squares can share edges and also do not consider nested squares
 
user559633
Ask a question on StackOverflow.com.
 
draw a picture, people here will help you but not do the work for you
 
user559633
Spidey sense going off for garlic and need for psychic ability
 
Wouldn't that be bat sense?
 
hmm nice teaser anyway
 
user559633
6:03 PM
Are bats psychic?
 
1 requires 4, 2 requires 7, 3 requires 10, then 4th you can draw by adding 2
 
user559633
It would be an okay brain teaser if the rules were fully qualified (e.g. no nested squares changes things considerably). Means you require edges on the exterior to prevent nesting
 
so basically thereafter each odd square is 3, each even square is 2
excluding the 1st, which requires 4
 
Yeah the constraints have to be really well defined or else the asker will be like "gotcha! You can do it in one fewer line by doing this thing you didn't think of because I was intentionally vague at the start..."
 
6:05 PM
sigh. @AnttiHaapala is ruining all the educational opportunities
he got nerdsniped :( haha
 
Learn Squares The Hard Way?
 
user559633
@Kevin Exactly.
 
Reminds me of the riddle "how do you write '100' in a single pen stroke?" and the answer involves folding the paper in half
 
@Kevin I just wrote out 100' in a single pen stroke? on paper, why was that so hard
 
ah but one line can be multiple edges lengthwise... I guess..
I just calculated the number of edges :D
 
user559633
6:07 PM
@AnttiHaapala Yeah, exactly why I'm trying to discourage this "do my homework for me" question
 
sorry, the answer was "Language".
 
@tristan +1
 
"Trick question, squares are composed of line segments, not lines"
 
user559633
For 1 it's can't return for 1 minute.
For 2 it's can't return for 5 minutes.
 
6:08 PM
actually, if you consider straights only, it is easier
 
I was going to figure this out, but realized I don't actually have a pen at my desk at all
 
user559633
I'm out. Later all
 
Not really interested in being drip-fed the requirements one at a time for the next hour...
 
i am trying to draw something akin to a "drum sequencer" graphic based on data in my program. i have been using matplotlib to plot my data but this data should be visualized like this

https://www.google.com/search?q=drum+sequencer&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjg_665r4DPAhWKlR4KHbW5BK4Q_AUICSgC&biw=1036&bih=699#imgrc=sVmlpGwzSTUw-M%3A
 
user559633
6:12 PM
Also, not Python related and breaks our "non-regulars using this as a drop-by helpdesk/TA station" informal rule
 
so i was wondering if doing something like that (just the grid section) is suitable with matplotlib or if another framework would be btter
 
I don't know anything about matplotlib but you could probably cobble something together with a basic GUI library, rendering colored buttons
Or PIL if it doesn't need to be interactive at all
 
... yeah that's totally a match for matplotlib, ah sorry no :D
or html :D
 
@tristan it's an interesting question but with vague enough requirements that we'll never know :'(
 
Although if you want it to be properly skeuomorphic with the leather covering and all, that's gonna be trickier
 
6:14 PM
its good w/ matplotlib or no, wat ru saying?
 
I am saying, I don't know.
 
anyway i think i might just do a stdout ascii based thing for now
 
Do the easiest thing that works :-)
 
i simply need to quickly intuit what the grid is for each program execution to gauge the effectivtness of my algorith
no detail, i'll probably use whatever ascii character is the shaded block and change color for active grid squares. can you print colored font text to the console in pycharm?
 
Dunno about pycharm. When I want colored text I use cmd and the colorama library
Or I switch to an OS/shell that has built-in color-changing ANSI escape codes
 
6:19 PM
oh man I just missed the guy
 
Or I use a proper GUI lib.
 
gui is overkill
 
if you just want to plot empty and filled squares in a grid, you can use matplotlib.pyplot.pcolormesh or something
 
I wrote this to render ASCII tables of data. I don't know if it's user-friendly though.
 
DSM
@Kevin: your _pad function is a little surprising..
 
6:24 PM
 
Yeah that probably doesn't need to be O(N)...
 
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
plt.pcolormesh(np.random.randint(0,2,size=(5,5)),cmap='binary',linewidths=1,edgecolors='w')
 
Also I'm pretty sure a pad func exists in the standard lib somewhere, so it's doubly dumb
 
if you really just want to hack it up for yourself, that's one way
 
if len(x) < width:
    x = " " * (len(x) - width) + x
 
6:26 PM
x.rjust(width)?
 
the pcolormesh looks cool
 
Wait that doesn't work
 
I think I'll tidy up that file a bit...
 
i stil think console is fastest.. but unicodes come out weirdly in the pycharm console pane
comes out ugly
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@Kevin I will definitely reference this (thank you for gifting it to us)
 
6:36 PM
Slowly I am showing everyone everything I have ever seen. Only then will I be really understood.
 
@tristan (was in a meeting) I actually don't mind the album, but I liked Miss Machine more.
 
stackoverflow.com/q/39398042 dupe in comment, but I already voted
although it's kinda not, because the code in their image is actually explicitly converting everything to strings constantly :-/
but I think they're better off with the dupe
 
@Kevin won't you stop existing then?
 
@vaultah Good suggestion, implemented.
 
Or just be entirely obsoleted by yourself?
 
6:44 PM
Jul 17 '14 at 13:52, by Kevin
All apparent Kevins are just the 3d cross-sections of a single four dimensional hyperKevin as it intersects our universe.
 
@davidism I don't get how someone can program and screenshot code
 
they can't:P
 
I exist only in the same way a shadow puppet does
 
suddenly everything is more clear
 
user6568562
@Kevin That's the kind of flexibility I love about English language. Like adding the suffix er to any thing and you get an occupation
 
6:45 PM
let me quote the question, literally:
> Here is my coding!!!

enter image description here

enter image description here
 
user6568562
I, for example, am a hobbyist pennilesser
 
I understand that German is the ultimate language for adding words together.
 
Lojban is, I think.
You can make fully valid sentences that are one word.
 
user6568562
Yes I remember the words for a dentist or a highway truck driver being very long
 
It only counts as a real language if a war happened because we didn't like the way those foreigners talk different from us.
 
6:47 PM
Does saying mean things online count as a war?
 
Yes, in which case most programming languages are real languages.
 
Also, since Hitler attempted to persecute Esperanto speakers, I'm counting Esperanto as real now.
 
user6568562
I guess so, I mean internet trolling and flamewars never changed since the internet was invented. And you know what else doesn't change ? War. War never changes.
 
The language also has to be spherical due to its own gravity, and clear rocky bodies out of its orbit.
 
DSM
Any language in which William Shatner acted automatically counts as a real language.
2
 
6:48 PM
@KevinMGranger "Legitimised by Hitler" isn't a great club to be in
 
haha
 
Oops
 
:)
 
user6568562
@RobertGrant Look who's having difficulty to prounce, now !
 
6:49 PM
It would be awesome if IntelliJ allowed for searching for a module sdk rather than a drop down...when you end up with a crapload of module sdks due to several different projects, it gets reaaaally annoying scrolling to yours when setting things up
 
user6568562
Mmm, let me have another piece of that cold dish
 
no
it's too late...you messed up
 
user6568562
Aug 8 at 21:37, by Robert Grant
prounciation indeed :)
 
Woah
 
I see that part of my problem is people don't seem to read the actual question. Perhaps I don't make it clear what I'm asking? If I wanted to whine/complain, I would have done so. I am asking for, and I quote: Are there ways I can better write my more complicated questions such that they get better views? None of those links deal with that and are instead meta commentary/rants about the good ole days of SO, back when only good questions got asked, or something else. — enderland 2 mins ago
I give up
 
user6568562
6:50 PM
@RobertGrant I know what that tells about me, but it was worth it : D
 
You are now the front runner for being my biographer, is what
 
I can't even write a meta question asking why my questions get totally irrelevant answers without someone trying to close it as a dup of a non-dup... I apparently suck at SE
 
"How do I write good questions?" is a fine question, but nobody knows the true answer.
 
Or how to ask it :)
 
Paradox: If you ask "how do I ask a good question?" and it gets upvotes, you didn't need to ask in the first place.
 
user6568562
6:52 PM
Which means that it was a useless, therefore bad, question
 
user6568562
Pshshshrk
 
@Kevin this is how I feel everytime I ask an SO question
 
(yes, there's no paradox if you ask "how do I ask a complicated question?" in a simple manner)
 
user6568562
You can add to "more" to complicated, and be on the safe side
 
Stack Overflow questions are like Dwarf Bread. You're not supposed to ask them, you're supposed to compose them, think "I don't need to know that badly", and discard your draft.
 
6:56 PM
if your question has any undertone of emotion it will also be treated brutally
 
There are plenty of counterexamples to that statement.
 
In general I think a lot of voters like it when you shoot for a serious informational tone
 
user6568562
@user5797668 I don't know, I posted three dumb questions on SO, very very dumb. But I was nice, clear and concise. And look at me now. Bathing in Chat room 6 stars, baby
 

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