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12:17 AM
Why oh why does latex/amsmath/amssymb not have updownarrows built-in:( Oh woe is me!
 
only \upuparrow if I remember
well and the harpoons
wait...\uparrow works for me
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amssymb,amsmath}
....
\uparrow
yep works
 
12:33 AM
uparrow yes, updownarrows no:(
while rightleftarrows yes --> annoying as yam
 
\updownarrow
(single)
 
that's a single arrow, I want two next to each other:)
as in "up and down spin components"
 
you physicists, so picky ;)
 
yup:P
hacked it up with \uparrow\!\downarrow... :/
 
huh, your right there is nothing for the -1/2 electron spin...could use \upharpoonleft\!\downharpoonright I think
or that
 
12:39 AM
yeah harpoons were my plan B:)
I would rotate a rightleft version with tikz or graphicx if this was a regular document, but I'm using this in annotations in a matplotlib plot
so my options are a bit limited
tikz might work but definitely sounds like overkill
 
3
Q: drawing electron configuration (high and low spin)

MariaHow does I create an image like the one shown under this text directly in the LaTeX document? I have tried with TikZ, but I can only make boxes with the arrows inside, and not exactly like the image. I have to draw how the electrons are distributed in an d-orbital and it has to be as the shown he...

heh
 
oh you mean like that
meh, I'd still not draw harpoons for that
"up-down spin pairs" with harpoons smells a lot like chemistry (no offense chemists)
I'm using updownarrows as if it was \pm
there's an up quantity and a down quantity
 
well, my knowledge of physics is just enough to be dangerous (my knowledge of chemistry is nearly non-existent) so I take no offense :)
 
dangerous for you or for others?:)
 
depends on the experiment
on a related note, I am loving the improvements Microsoft made to its equation system in Office (keeps me from having to switch to latex and build images for insertion for a lot of things)....not anywhere near the level of being really useful but makes it way easier to make my quick reports
 
12:53 AM
can't you write your quick reports all in latex?
 
not when certain administrators demand Word
and get annoyed when I use Latex
weird people
 
bah
 
I got one of them back when they asked me to explain my code to them :). Explaining the concepts of graph theory to someone who got a C in statistics brings wonderful expressions of pain to their eyes ;)
 
1:34 AM
teeheehee
If you do not have any answere, please do not comment at below my post.Thanks — Mirshad Maleki 5 hours ago
BTW
no effort/too broad
 
off-topic and shameless
 
I've had similar comments flung at me a few times in the past. I just giggle a little.
 
evening cbg
 
good evening
 
I can hardly wait to be able to delvote:P
 
1:38 AM
when do you get that? 10K? 15?
 
If you do not have any answere, please do not comment at below my post.Thanks — Mirshad Maleki 5 hours ago
hahah
 
user559633
evening cabbage :)
 
user559633
well, that will go over well.
 
The only thing left for me to look forward to is my Python gold badge and, eventually, swag at 100K. Almost half way there!
 
1:39 AM
tristan just in time for the luv:P
 
user559633
Wow, the 2 minute stackoverflow intro really sucks for teaching users how to ask questions. edit: this came off harsher than intended, but it does need a "whoa, hold up there cowboy, don't go firing off a question from the hip"
 
2 minutes? I scrolled through that in 2 seconds :P ;)
 
Isn't the demo question considered off-topic?
 
user559633
wow, how was this at one time a +2 question?
 
the swift one?
 
1:43 AM
yeah
@tristan there must be a lower bar for those other tags :P
 
user559633
honestly, that entire user's history on the site is user needs to read faq
 
I like how he edited out the code formatting
 
user559633
i hope me going through and voting/close voting doesn't constitute a voting ring/serial downvoting, because honestly, that user needs a question ban
 
user559633
I wish we could have the "doesn't show minimum effort" close vote back
 
why did we get rid of that?
....actually, nevermind
I assume that is a minefield of opinions
 
user559633
1:46 AM
yeah, need newbies for their business model to work
 
user559633
no, there's only the one that originally the workflow heavily favored q/a exchanges, then it went to favoring answerer's time, and now it's heavily on the side of "let the newbies in"
 
user559633
otherwise, we'd have a "lazy and an asshole" close vote option :P
 
I'd use that exclusively...
 
user559633
I'd use it sparingly, but I would use it right now.
 
user559633
"either do my work or don't talk to me."
 
1:49 AM
speaking of lazy assholes, I haven't seen any questions requesting us to "do the needful" recently. I wonder if they banned that phrase?
 
user559633
gets edited out and it's summer break
 
as a newbie...well new-ish account...I do note that the fact that some users have huge rep due to just time and a different level of question acceptance (ie. less stuff off-topic) my rep occasionally annoys me.....but more annoying, and the reason I don't answer many questions, is the garbage ratio on questions so I still support the q/a exchange focused options
 
@tristan around 3 will be reversed:/
4 definitely
"targeted voting" is the new shit
 
but, if you stagger the votes long enough, they'll go through. Patience is a virtue.
 
well, yeah
 
1:52 AM
but I'm weird
 
I meant 3 votes in quick succession
(been there, done that)
there was a user with 4 answers on the same question or something
 
user559633
the system can reverse it. that guy is abrasive and it's just delaying the inevitable question ban and new account
 
should have been edits to their question
 
user559633
@JGreenwell do a self answer on something about nltk..or better yet, python 3 async/await
 
user559633
if, in a week after posting, it doesn't bring you above 1k rep, i'll give you a bounty
 
1:55 AM
that's also a no-no
 
how do you give a bounty?
 
(seen it happen)
 
ehh, I don't care about rep that much
 
@idjaw assign to question where the guy answered, assign manually
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak what's a no no? it's not smuggling weaponized internet rep, it's saying "i'd like to read about async/await and want a succinct answer, to the point i'll award a bounty on your question"
 
1:56 AM
@tristan you should bounty if it's a good answer, but not because JGreenwell is still below 1k
 
I will actually do a self-answer on NLTK after I finish figuring out how to fix my current problem (optimization issues with heavy swapping of languages, mostly Spanish or German to English then back then English then back then....)
but then just cause it is cool
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak obviously JGreenwell will give a good answer/write interesting content.
 
then sure thing:P
 
user559633
i'll give you 100 rep to turn a blind eye :P
 
just don't make it look as if you were rewarding the user instead of the post. ahem
@tristan what do you think I am? A cheap hooker?
 
1:58 AM
well...
 
wait I have more rep then you
nevermind then:P
 
:D
 
you get a discount
 
user559633
@AndrasDeak just assumed the USR (us rep) exchange rate would work out favorably for you
 
...and then writing Unicode to Excel but that would be .Net/C# (though from python)....seriously why can't Microsoft be either international or just die
 
1:59 AM
@tristan I wish
 
user559633
@JGreenwell uh yeah, do that please. is it in the same corpora?
 
I favor the latter
pretty much and my own projects
 
user559633
i'm currently taking a corpus, splitting based on language detection, then analyzing each corpora in its own language for concepts, then joining back down. if there's a more efficient way, i'd be really interested in reading about it
 
hmm...I'll work on it this weekend or early next week then (have to have survey and interviews set for research projects by Monday so swamped this week)
 
unacceptable.
 
2:01 AM
@tristan what you have there is a full-fledged SO question nowadays
 
Try dealing with Spanglish....I seriously am considering a paper on the subject of handling mixed languages
 
user559633
@JGreenwell uhh i haven't even thought about handling that yet. i have a test corpora that goes in and out of russian and my naive approach was to try to translate down to english first and the approach sucks
 
at least you can locate the switches from the character set
 
user559633
interesting. i wonder if emoji would mess with that
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
user559633
2:04 AM
well, i guess you could do a pass to extract emoji ranges, then re-scan
 
or ignore emojis?
just keep track of "english letter seen after cyrillic mode" and vice versa
 
user559633
emojis have a lot of semantic value now
 
(I have no idea what I'm talking about, but it sounds straightforward;)
 
user559633
you're not talking nonsense
 
@tristan you mean Russian emojis vs English emojis?
 
user559633
2:05 AM
well, it's one set of emoji
 
user559633
there's a hairy bit in that, at least russian speakers, do phonetic russian with some regularity
 
ah
yeah that's not good
ochen' ploho I might say
 
user559633
so the idea would be "sweep for emoji and set aside, treating as punctuation, then re-sweep keeping track of % words not found in the predicted language's dictionary, optimistically look for target phonetic words (e.g. "xorosho"), then do your tagging and chunking"
 
user559633
da, ne ochen xorosho
 
would including emoji in an analysis change the nature of how you would categorize what you are analyzing?
 
user559633
2:10 AM
yeah, actually.
 
that was, great :(
that was, great :)
 
user559633
yeah, that's sentiment analysis
 
user559633
inferring sarcasm is a super hard problem
 
yeah, that is what I was just thinking about. Trying to categorize that would be quite a challenge
 
user559633
you could also have things like "the food was 💩 " vs. "the food is the 💩 "
 
2:11 AM
yeah!
 
user559633
yeah, standard disclaimer: i'm dumb as a $3 bag of rocks
 
adding a :P would then be caught as sarcastic
:D
man...language processing gets intense
 
yeah, that doesn't work with stuff like Spanglish (no documented rules means it is hard to create corpus). One has to first analyze for semantic extensions then analyze the sentence structure to determine grammar, build a coordinate structure, etc....basically at this point I'm building my own corpus and CFG
 
user559633
but you can think of it as a big regex match. you split your source corpus (e.g. a book) into logical corpora (e.g. one chapter in a book), then you try to break that down into as small pieces (tokens) as possible
 
user559633
that last part is pretty hard, because you might have something like "was the band good? no, not at all"
 
2:14 AM
wow, I just thought how hard it must be to analyze certain conversational writing here in Quebec
there is a lot of mixing of words from english when writing in french
 
user559633
@JGreenwell oh god context free grammars get gnarly
 
Fromlostiano is the part that kills (lost in translation style sarcasm that destroys the grammar structure that I've been carefully building)
yep, but I am rarely bored
 
user559633
@idjaw yeah, so you can do coping strategies and just normalize over a large enough sample size, knowing that it's not perfect, but will even out -- with a different approach if you only have a very small sample (what i'm doing)
 
and you apply machine learning to your NLP in order for it to get 'better' with each time you analyze, correct?
 
I used to have a librarian buddy who helped me build the linguistic models but he got a better job and moved :P (super happy for him actually but still :P)
 
user559633
2:17 AM
i wrote a parser for youtube comments and at the end of the week, i was basically:
 
no! YouTube comment are evil!
 
user559633
@idjaw yeah, you can get into the field of attended machine learning to improve the models, but it's hard in a natural language because it's so fluid and our sentence constructions as so versatile
 
screw humans
and good night:)
 
user559633
@JGreenwell 100% yes. internet comment punctuation is awful.
 
user559633
2:22 AM
later @AndrasDeak have a good night
 
I'm starting to think Andras is actually Bender. goodnight @AndrasDeak :)
 
words I said to someone this week: "Machine learning, yes I'm using that term instead of Artificial Intelligence to make a point, is not magical nor does it truly reflect the thinking methods of humans. It is instead more of a form of math and logic which helps machines recognized patterns."
 
@idjaw I wish. But he's my role model.
 
:)
 
as an upside, I can cope with 2
 
2:24 AM
Bender (robot or high schooler) is awesome
 
@tristan I'm vaguely remembering a project someone was working on a few years ago once upon a job ago, and it was machine learning with NLP for predictive analysis in the support domain
 
"Ahh...photons. I don't know if your waves or particles but you go down smooth"
 
user559633
@JGreenwell yeah -- i wonder where this new renaissance of the term "AI" came from. the media and companies are going wild pretending they're doing it
 
I really have to beat the idea that analysts need to focus on the "A" part of ANN with new students sometimes
 
user559633
@idjaw interesting. those things typically just turn into decision trees
 
user559633
2:27 AM
there was some company that wanted to hire me, and in talks with the engineers, they were totally just discarding a fat chunk of stop words, then just making guesses based on the most rare term i the sentence
 
user559633
that's just weighting
 
user559633
also this puppy is adorable
 
I really want a dog so badly. But it would not be fair to the pup considering how busy things are for us now.
 
user559633
2:28 AM
yeah. once i billionize, i'm totally getting a pack of dogs
 
My own thought (from an admissions standpoint mind you) is that it is hard to get people to take math courses or even Computer Science based applied math and logic courses and so companies/universities push "AI" terms to avoid the ugly truth that you need to understand at least a certain level of logic and math to really understand machine learning
or it's just sexy...could be that
 
kinda like how programming looks like this on tv
1337 h4x0r
 
user559633
> "When you have large amounts of data, your appetite for hypotheses tends to get even larger. And if it’s growing faster than the statistical strength of the data, then many of your inferences are likely to be false. "
 
user559633
yesss
 
it's a good article
you know I just realized that building context-free grammar (parse) trees is one of the rare times I used recursion in a real world application
 
user559633
2:41 AM
yeah, i recurse pretty often in my NLP code
 
user559633
what's not brought up by that article, and what i find odd, is that companies are now describing themselves based on a technological buzzword, approach, or concept, and not what they actually do. e.g. "We're A.I. for Marketing "
 
user559633
Big Data blah blah blah for X
 
> The main one will be a “big-data winter.” After a bubble, when people invested and a lot of companies overpromised without providing serious analysis, it will bust. And soon, in a two- to five-year span, people will say, “The whole big-data thing came and went. It died. It was wrong.” I am predicting that. It’s what happens in these cycles when there is too much hype
about the only thing he says about that in these interviews at least
 
user559633
yeah, it was a good read, thanks for linking it
 
no prob
I found it when looking into the current limitations with Machine Learning algorithms used with Clinical Decision Support Systems for tomography analysis of MRIs
i.e. computational vision problems
 
3:43 AM
cbg
 
user559633
cbg
 
A Finnish heritage disease is a genetic disease or disorder that is significantly more common in people whose ancestors were ethnic Finns, natives of Finland and Sweden (Meänmaa) and Russia (Karelia and Ingria). About 40 rare diseases are regarded as Finnish heritage diseases. The diseases are not restricted to Finns; they are genetic diseases with far wider distribution in the world, but due to founder effects and genetic isolation they are more common in Finns. Within Finland these diseases are more common in the east and north, consistent with their higher association with ethnic Finns than...
this explains a lot :D
seems that us Finns at some point had had only 2 forefathers...
 
user559633
Sounds like a sitcom
 
and some Finnish rightwing extremists think we are the aryan masterrace with purest genes, that need to be protected from outside influence.
I guess that is strong evidence for Y-linked congenital mental retardation
no one outside Finland does.
 
user559633
yeah, i figured the joking tone didn't wouldn't come through
 
user559633
3:55 AM
while overrated on beeradvocate, this beer is solid and gets my recommendation: beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/418/24651
 
4:23 AM
@tristan no humour in stating the obvious
 
user559633
4:53 AM
idk, i'm not up to speed on what garbage nationalistic racists think :)
 
user559633
5:22 AM
alright, early one. rhubarb
 
6:03 AM
Hahahahaha this is going to be awesome :-)
 
What's that?
 
Sanders is going all the way to the convention :-)
 
@Zero that made me chuckle - Clinton declaring victory (which is most likely the case) and Sanders going "lalala - I don't care..." :p
 
Oh, he can't win the nomination unless the FBI indictment comes down before Jul 25, but it's going to be incredibly entertaining to watch :-)
 
Entertaining to watch? I thought that was what Trump was for? :p
 
6:13 AM
Hell, it's all popcornworthy at this point. Strangest campaign I've ever seen, anywhere.
 
6:28 AM
any python flask techy around here?
 
@jOSe Please read sopython.com/pages/chatroom - especially:
> You may ask your question without a preamble.
For example, you do not need to say “anyone here know Django?” before asking a question about Django. Even if you do, the Django experts in the room might not step forward until hearing the actual question. They may not wish to commit themselves to help until they know how much effort it will entail.
 
Morning all
 
cbg @vaultah :-)
 
7:05 AM
Interesting idea - text.sourcegraph.com/…
 
7:25 AM
That is interesting, yeah.
 
7:52 AM
cabbage
 
8:14 AM
Cabbage!
 
9:06 AM
Morning
 
Bleh, UX.
 
I'm having to do UX, UI design, frontend development, middleware development, and testing for this project.
And all I really want to do is backend/data. This is the problem when people find out you can do a bit of web dev.
"We'll take care of the interesting backend data stuff, but Fizzy...you can javascript..."
I don't really have any requirements either, or rather I have high-level-not-very-useful ones.
I'm up to my meat-and-two-veg in closures and CSS and it makes me sad.
 
9:33 AM
:D
 
Should just run away to Zihuatanejo
 
@Ffisegydd you should say "you no can javascript? Let Fizzy teach you"
 
Put your foot down, Fizzy
 
Okay I did that, now what?
What if I need to walk? Am I allowed to pick it up again?
Please halp.
I'm stuck. What if there's a fire? D:
I'm scared o.o
OH GOD THERE'S A FIRE! FOR GOD'S SAKE ROB, CAN I STOP PUTTING MY FOOT DOWN!?
WHY HAVE YOU ABANDONED MEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!?
 
10:16 AM
Just say "Javascript, that's pretty much Java for the front end, right?" and then produce a directory listing as your "front
You won't be asked again, I predict.
 
has someone else the problem that there remain python.exe processes in the background (CPU load at around 15%)?
even after all scripts finished
 
Yes.
 
cbg guys
I have a question: Why are the class attributes of a base class shared between its derived classes?
 
Because that's what they're designed to do.
 
shared as in "they automatically have it"?
cabbage
 
10:31 AM
@AndrasDeak nah, I mean they should have it but not the exact same thing.
 
Why shouldn't they have the exact same thing? They're class attributes.
 
@Ffisegydd lol
Just saw all of that
 
:D
 
@Ffisegydd yeah but they are in different classes.
 
I almost died in the fire, but then the sandwich van turned up and I am hungry so I abandoned your advice.
@khajvah No, they're in different classes which have inherited from the same base class.
 
10:34 AM
I just googled class attributes, I had no idea how this worked
 
Cats and Dogs might be different, but they're both Animals.
 
scary
 
@AndrasDeak It's just a way of sharing data between multiple instances of the same class type.
 
ok got it thanks
 
Can trick people up, but useful at times.
 
10:34 AM
@Ffisegydd I had no idea how this worked:P
but thanks
 
OIC.
 
it's as tricky as a mutable default parameter for a function
unless, you know, you're familiar with OOP, that probably helps
 
Yeah, both are things that have genuine uses but probably have tripped more people up than they have helped.
 
that sounds plausible
it should be great for obfuscation, though
and exam questions:P
and if there was a self-destruct for a class instance, we could write classes that can only be instantiated once
rhubarb, be back later
 
@AndrasDeak You can, you just need to overwrite __new__ and __init__ IIRC to create Singletons.
 
10:46 AM
cbg
 
10:56 AM
cbg all
morning... just.
 
FUN FACT: [] === [] returns false in JS. That's 20 minutes of my life I won't be getting back
4
 
Word of the day: miasma
I am not going to reveal the contents of this meeting that put that in my mind :(
 
You got miasma as wotd from a meeting?
 
Figuratively, not literally, thank god.
 
Codesmell.
*Did you guys uh, do something with the decor? Something's different*
*Oh, yeah, we had Miasma(tm) installed, it's designed to gently corrode everyone's soul over the course of the working day. *
*...right.*
*Remember... you're here... FOREVER*
 
11:07 AM
Soul Corrosion
You have it
Also, great name for a band
 
You can check out any time you like, but you can never commit. WELCOME TO THE HOTEL UNMAINTAINED OPEN SOURCE PROJECT! <guitar sounds>
 
You beat me with your edit
 
Cbg! Has anyone made use of Django19s test --parallel flag? My tests ran in nearly exactly the same time (81.2/81.7s) - anyone have different findings?
 
11:29 AM
cbg
typo stackoverflow.com/questions/37691550/… Also, OP is a classic whining HV. :(
 
^^ Seems to be far quicker when not using Django-nose, not sure if its even compatible really
 
please suggest me any API I can use for Django+authorize.net?
 
11:49 AM
cbg you wonderful bunch
 
Ahoy.
 
^ Running tests on Codeship using --parallel flag - drops from 93s to 9...
It has like 16 cores
(and turning off Django nose)
 
Cbg
 
12:05 PM
cbg
 
12:26 PM
morning everyone
@Ffisegydd Luckily github is overloaded with front-end boilerplates. Copy, paste, and look super javascript rock-star
 
@corvid I'm using Angular Material, does most of the heavy loading.
 
12:41 PM
yeah I usually use React/Redux and I feel like it does 95% of the work for me
 
The only issue is that it looks like a generic Material app. Not really an issue now but in the future will take a lot of work to theme up properly.
 
@IanClark why turn off nose?
 
Material is usually the easiest to customize and change around, just get a good color scheme and it automatically looks better
 
oh nvm saw your previous message
 
@khajvah didn't seem to be working with --parallel. Also, I'm not sure why we need nose, Django now supports keeping the database and running individual tests, which is all I really want it for
 
1:00 PM
Morning cabbage.
 
1:11 PM
What's "Python Exercise 35"? The official documentation doesn't have any exercises. — Kevin 1 min ago
Err.... LPTHW ^^^ :p
 
One presumes he knows this.
Kevin knows all, apart from what he doesn't.
 
Yeah I figured from the text adventurey code. Gotta get Socratic with the young ones, asking questions I already know the answer to.
Answering questions that you already know the asker already knows the answer to is just one step higher on the ladder.
 
Cool, somebody developed websocket support for Django
 
1:26 PM
that didn't exist before?
 
Surely it must have.
 
@corvid Not officially. I was looking for it a few months ago and couldn't find anything.
have you guys ever used Django-channels?
 
From a different question, my new favorite "please explain your downvotes".
@all those who did -1, try to be specific and point out what you did not like or what I did wrong. Have heart and do not use the cover the anonymity for you did not learn things from the womb of your mothers! — Hamad Hassan 5 hours ago
 
That's quite poetic
 
I knew I should've taken Womb of my Mother 102. :/
 
1:35 PM
It's true. It's unreasonable to expect that OP would learn "how to ask a question in a way that another human being could comprehend it" in the womb. Kindergarten is a more reasonable target.
 
@MorganThrapp Closed, but for some strange reason it wouldn't let me upvote EdChum's comment.
 
@PM2Ring I wonder if it's something to do with the migration.
 
@MorganThrapp Could be, I guess.
 
@MorganThrapp Yes... rejected migrations end up locked...
 
Ah, that makes sense.
I had misread it at first as it having been migrated from RU.se, but that makes more sense.
 
1:44 PM
Yeah... it came from there... if it gets closed here for a reason other than a dupe, it gets locked and the migration rejected notice...
 
Gotcha.
 
I keep composing answers for unanswered questions, and a second before I submit, it says "this question has a new answer - click to load" and when I click it the post time is from five minutes ago :-I
 
IS RUST THE HOLY GRAIL THAT WILL FINALLY LET US WRITE HTML ON BOTH THE FRONTEND AND THE BACKEND?
 
@Kevin I hate that.
 
I always thought Rust would be a good name for Google Chrome bugs
 
1:51 PM
I can deal with getting beaten by Martijn by three seconds, but three hundred seconds is a bit more wounding.
 
@Kevin
That's the fun part, it makes you have to think faster
 
@Kevin Only 300s? He must be on a train again with bad signal.
 
I'm sure I've had that happen and there were 3 new answers.
 

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