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3:13 AM
@Raju please don't type the (even tho funny) give me teh codez part
 
@Drew , sure.
 
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4:28 AM
Plop!
 
4:53 AM
I've invited Stephen C to chat to hopefully inform them of the issues with editing spam.
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara Inform whom?
 
@SmokeDetector @AA The person who edited this post.
 
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Okay. The person who edited it was a >2k user?
 
Yeah, a > 300k user.
It was a bit ago though, they might not be online anymore. Last seen 24 minutes ago.
 
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Oh. So what is Stephen going to do?
@AlexanderO'Mara You mean to say that Stephen C edited the post?
 
4:57 AM
Yes, they removed link. Editing spam can make it harder to delete it.
 
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Okay.
 
5:21 AM
An error happened in UserTracking (cc @Sam)
0: The request timed out
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at SOCVRDotNet.UserDataFetcher.GetLastestCVReviewIDs (System.String fkey, Int32 userID, Int32 reviewCount, System.Action throttler) <0x40be1870 + 0x005bf> in <filename unknown>:0
at SOCVRDotNet.User.FetchTodaysReviews (Boolean async) <0x40bdc2a0 + 0x0014f> in <filename unknown>:0
 
sam is snoring
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara Stephen was active 2 minutes ago. He hasn't come to the chat still. Do you think we should contact him again?
 
Probably not, they probably just ignored the notificaiton.
 
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Okay.
Can you just try to ping me?
 
5:56 AM
Take it easy there.
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara Was the message to me?
 
Keep for the real garbage that heeds closing quickly.
Though these are pretty bad.
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara These are mainly one line questions. I think they are real garbage.
 
Try to avoid dragging up older questions, if they are inactive, they aren't likely to attract answers, and the review queue can get them.
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara Okay. Did I drag any old questions over here?
 
6:01 AM
@AA Old-ish, some are from April.
 
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@AlexanderO'Mara I thought we can [cv-pls] questions 1-2 month old?
 
I didn't think there was a hard date, but I could be wrong.
 
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np. I'll just ask one of the RO"s when they come active.
@AlexanderO'Mara It's a C question.
It's really a very dumb question.
@AlexanderO'Mara But I don't think it's unclear. It looks ok to me.
 
6:46 AM
@AA And the answer is zero.
 
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@NisseEngström It will print HI.
In C, you're allowed to call main ()
In C++, you aren't
You can even try it
I ran it in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, and it printed HI lots of times. In the end, I got a Core Dump + Seg Fault
Even I was surprised that you can call main when I learnt it.
 
@AA Which technically means it will never print "hi" =)
 
7:13 AM
naa?
 
7:38 AM
@PraveenKumar maybe close the question as belongs on SU? Because I think it is still a spam setup.
but your edit de-fused the answer ;)
 
@rene Yea... Even I feel the same.
Ah...
Shall I revert back?
 
Meh
sorry
need moar coffee
 
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!!/coffee
 
@AA brews coffee for @AA
 
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@AA passes coffee to @rene
 
7:42 AM
Takes coffee and thanks @AA
 
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7:53 AM
Hiya @cybermonkey
 
@AA 0/
 
@AA Please don't post more than 3 consecutive cv-pls requests...
@AA ... at least break it up with a good joke :P
 
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@Rizier123 Okay. But why?
Fine. But I'm very bad at making jokes :(
 
@AA we don't want the transcript to look like the CVQ
If we would fancy that we could just have a PHP feed here
 
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8:02 AM
@rene Okay. I hope it doesn't become like the LQPHQ (It literally is a CVQ!)
 
@Yvette for me it was insanity ... still recovering after I looked at PHP 10 years ago ... for a day ...
@AA yep, that one ;)
 
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:)
 
Hiya
 
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Hiya @Tunaki
 
user3956566
8:11 AM
@rene condolences (runs to get warm cloth for your forehead) please lie down and rest from that
 
takes advice from Yvette
 
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Does anyone know some good queries to hunt rubbish answers / questions? I have come across a very good query (very simple) to hunt rubbish comments, but I haven't found one for q / a
 
@AA it is advised against using queries to hunt crap but there is a plagiarized query on MSO by a user named Bob, maybe you can use that as a start
 
yeah, just watch the PHP tag
 
Just have the questions page open and you get crap flowing in
 
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8:17 AM
@rene Okay, but why is it not advised? Could you also link me that query?
@Rizier123 But that's very tiresome. You need to look for crap, while queries give you crap.
 
@AA because it floods the room, when we stuff other than cv-pls requests as well..
 
@AA because you'll find thousands of posts ...
 
@AA Advertisement for crap?! I don't think that is good marketing.
 
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@cybermonkey @rene @Rizier123 Okay.
@rene oh. Thanks for the link.
 
8:19 AM
> The reason we say not to use SEDE to auto-flag posts is three-fold:...
 
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@Tunaki Thanks. I'll read through it.
 
still there ^ do you like spam?
 
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I see why you should not hunt q / a using queries, but does that apply to comments as well?
 
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Hmm, I see.
 
user3956566
8:32 AM
hm so that automatic removal is time limited?
 
2 minutes
 
Sam
Hiya
 
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Plop @Sam
 
o/
 
Error 522 anyone?
 
8:35 AM
check your cable
 
Yeah, pulled the wrong plug in the AMS-IX
 
Sam
Seems fine to me
 
Hmm, maybe I have broken moar things ...
CF Amsterdam has issues for me.
 
Sam
@AA (cc @Alexander) There isn't a "set in stone" time limit. Just use your own judgement on a per post basis. We do, however, ask that you keep cv-plses for Qs that have been active within the last couple of months or so (again, "couple of months" doesn't literally mean a solid 60 days).
 
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@Sam Okay, so that means we can cv-pls questions from April also.
 
8:47 AM
Morning o/
 
stackoverflow.com/q/37224449/3933332 What to do with that? You can only guess from the expected output what OP wants. And he already asked a very similar question.
 
Sam
Hiya
 
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Morning @Thaillie
 
Morning
 
Hiya o/
 
Sam
8:48 AM
@AA Generally speaking, yes.
 
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Okay.
 
@Rizier123 No MCVE.
 
Sam
But the more recent the activity, the better.
 
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@Sam Hmm. But the questions I reported in the morning were all one liner and totally garbage, so I think it was ok.
 
Sam
@AA This is the problem, you can't see if a Q already has CVs on it.
Otherwise you could probably just leave it to the queue.
 
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9:06 AM
What's good with plagiarizing posts? I just now found a >900 rep user plagiarizing so many posts and even getting upvotes on them.
 
@AA custom flag with full explanation
 
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@Tunaki Already done.
@Sam I see.
Again. The user is plagiarizing again :(
 
Is your flag pending?
 
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@Tunaki Yes. Why?
 
Then you just need to wait, it'll be handled.
 
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9:15 AM
Okay
Another user who has many plagiarized posts. Looks like many users did this altogether as the dates of the posts are on the same day, and on the same tag.
 
9:37 AM
Okay, to try again. @PraveenKumar are you around?
 
yes
 
Plop!
 
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Plop @Kyll
 
@AA Nothing like ninja-ing you in the morning
@AA Plop #D1
 
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9:46 AM
No plop :(
 
Mh.
 
Hiya @Kyll o/
 
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Should I change my username back? I don't think it's gonna work.
 
@AA Yeah, thanks for the help. I'm going to make that Meta Q today or tomorrow
 
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@Kyll np. If you still want to continue tests, I'm willing to do.
 
9:54 AM
Is there a bot around here that's just starring everything that mentions rene?
There's a lot of rene on the starboard.
5
 
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@ArtOfCode It was a hijack of the starboard done by the members of SOCVR.
Rene
 
sd remove wake up it's gone
 
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!!/alive
 
@AA Of course
 
@Jon o/
I see everything
 
Sam
9:58 AM
o/
 
Plop Jon
 
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Plop Jon
 
'ello :)
 
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@Tunaki -1 for pinging a mod
What!!! I'm not able to change my username even using that going to other community and doing save to all. Looks like that bug (feature) was fixed. Now I have to live with this name for a month :(
 
D:
Can diamonds change usernames?
 
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10:05 AM
I don't think so :(
Bye
 
@Kyll Yes :)
 
Blues can change usernames almost without restriction
 
@JonClements Ashish (AA) above changed his username so that we could test the pingability of two-letter peeps
@AA You probably want to raise a mod flag on one of your post to ask for your username to be changed, explaining you were testing a bug in chat
 
Morning
 
Sam
> declined - it's not a bug, it's a feature.
2
 
10:08 AM
@Ferrybig afternoon
 
Oh and assumed they'd be able to change it via the work-around but can't? Umm... okay - just confirm you want it changed back @AA and I'll change it for you :p
 
Sam
@Ferrybig Hiya
 
@JonClements You'll have to make a reply, not a mention. The bug is that you can't @mention two-letters usernames =p
 
@Ferrybig Hiya o/
 
Plop Ferrybig
 
10:10 AM
Parties are great fun. Not for the party itself, but for the food that gets left behind that means I have ready-made breakfast, lunch and dinner the next day.
 
Potato chips overdose
 
Cold pizza, actually.
and a whole load of junk
 
@AshishAhujaツ okay - your name is back
 
Woaaah mods can invalidate cache too O_O
 
Yep
Just force update from the main site
 
10:12 AM
Hi all \o
 
Plop BR
 
Hiya @BhargavRao o/
 
Undergrad life - OVER
 
\o
 
\o/
 
10:12 AM
\o/
 
@BhargavRao Now to the harder part? :)
 
@JonClements Yep, Have to start adult life :(
 
Bah... good luck with that - I'm staying a puppy forever! :p
 
Did your exams went well?
 
@JonClements Nah, you have to become a dog!
 
10:14 AM
Never!
 
@Tunaki Yep. Went really well
 
@BhargavRao yay!
 
@BhargavRao Congrats
 
@Kyll And then closed as a dupe? :p
 
@Kyll Thanks
 
10:15 AM
the comment :')
 
@JonClements Probably =/ - Wait, what's our policy for obvious dupes of Meta again? Migrate or don't migrate?
 
@Tunaki Can't flag comments as spam
 
make it rude
 
Jond
 
> Yuppie!!!!!!!!!
Aww
 
10:43 AM
gist.github.com/Rizier123/08feadacd9e3ba05fd63eec432b45b96 Second draft :P Let me know what you think and if you see other advantages / concerns in it.
 
> You gain the same reputation for moderation and contribution and with that you also unlock privileges.
Unclear
Maybe,
> You use the same reputation to moderate and contribute, through the same privilege chain.
If that was your intent
> So you will have moderation reputation
 
@Rizier123 So umm... how would a new user get started on the system using that proposal?
 
@Kyll Nope, already hating that xD
There's already people robo-reviewing for a freaking gauge and a badge.
slightly ffk
 
@JonClements Same as now. Posting stuff or editing, ... just you get reputation for one or the other and with that you get specific privileges.
@Kyll I know, I hope that if we would have moderation reputation that we could control robo reviewers and such stuff better. Means: undoing their robo stuff = reversing their moderation reputation = they no longer can robo review
 
@Rizier123 That means we'd have to moderate moderation... Well, we already do it a bit, but still.
 
10:53 AM
I have to say I kinda like it but "Migration of old Reputation" is a killer I think.
 
I think we have to moderate moderation, otherwise we would have robo-reviewer-army's. So with moderation reputation I would hope we could control that stuff better and easier. Robo reviewer found? Reverse their stuff; Take the reputation away; They no longer have the moderation privilege to do their robo stuff.
Right now that reputation was in the same jar as contribution so it is kinda difficult to just take away their reputation which they might have earned with good contribution.
 
@Rizier123 Before you go ahead with this, you need to be certain that the new system is needed and will be welcomed by the vast majority of the site's users. That feature request represents a lot of dev work; there needs to be a compelling reason for SE to commit to that.
 
@Tunaki Do you mean the title "Migration of old Reputation" or what I wrote there or in general that transferring will be a killer?
 
@Rizier123 True - but their review ability can be taken away :)
 
@Rizier123 Ooh, indeed. That reputation could also be a good target against bad reviewers, since right now the best tool mods have is a 30-days ban..
 
10:55 AM
@Rizier123 A killer as in, that's the showstopper. You can't migrate old rep.
 
sd waffle
 
@ArtOfCode :P 1) It remove the FR tag, since I exactly don't want this; I first want just a discussion about this idea! (As I wrote at the end of the question) 2) I think it can definitely make stuff and further changes easier (3) the devs need something to do, right :)
 
Anyone got that process Shog (?) posted about making FRs? How they internally proceed, what steps they undertake
 
@Tunaki So would you take out that paragraph, rewrite it, or hide it somewhere else without a BIG headline?
 
@Rizier123 true enough. The devs are doing things, though - there's a project that most of them are working on about now.
 
10:57 AM
@Kyll It's not a FR though, it's a discussion
 
Something like: State of the world - What's wrong - Why it's wrong - Solution to fix the world - Why it fixes the world
@Tunaki Right. Still applies I guess
 
@Kyll oh, that one, yeah
 
@JonClements Yeah you take that away for 30 days they come back and can do it again; Take away their reputation and they have to earn the privilege back, which they might do or not, which might take longer than 30 days, with that they might learn till they get the privilege back ;)
 
Something like (1) What's the problem? (2) Why is it a problem? (3) What's the solution? (4) Why is it a solution? (5) Why is it the solution?
 
@ArtOfCode Yes!
 
10:59 AM
That's the process I follow when writing FR's, anyway
And remember that every feature request starts at -100
 
Yep
 
spam is nuked
 
slightly ffk again
 
@ArtOfCode :D It's not FR! I had that tag in there first, but someone said I should take it out; Which I did now and I see why. But I think I will rewrite the last paragraph of the question again to clearly say it is just a discussion.
 
Sam
@Art Mind if I add a couple of projects to the team's profile?
 
11:05 AM
@Sam go for it
 
Sam
Thanks
 
I want to write that meta question as good as possible, so I don't get much fluff in the comments, which aren't about the idea itself.
 
@Rizier123 Hahahaha, right. Good luck with that.
 
I already guess that there will be a lot of comments about the question itself, which don't have anything to do with the idea itself :P
 
@Rizier123 Oh you'll get fluff
whatever you do, the first 15 comments will be off-topic
 
11:07 AM
So I try to write the question good and make the "attack area" as small as possible, so we can try to concentrate on the idea itself.
 
But Meta...
 
@Tunaki 8 of which being about what the title should be, 6 discussing about how punny the title should be, 1 asking what is meta
 
pretty much
 
@Kyll And maybe 1 about the grammar and my vocabulary which might not be perfect british English :P
 
Whan you can do is add a disclaimer on top
> This post is ONLY about the idea itself. It is not a feature-request and its purpose is to gather opinions on this idea.
 
11:18 AM
Updated it again: gist.github.com/Rizier123/08feadacd9e3ba05fd63eec432b45b96 Included a few more points under concerns; Made it more clear again, that it is just a discussion and not a FR; Final thoughts on it? Before I die in meta :P title? idea in general? Anything I can improve?
@Tunaki "gather opinions on this idea." That's a good sentence, I try to include that.
(Just if you think about it: People can post super bad answer and get "rewarded" with reputation; While if I think about an idea and give it some time, when I will post it on meta I will get killed in seconds :P (I think I just instantly write a comment under my post like: "Rizier123 slayed by meta"))
 
> Here lies @Rizier123, lost in the great Meta battle of 2016.
7
 
@Tunaki I don't now if I should really do it or if a mod will just take it away, but I could think that this could maybe maybe take away some of the fluff. Since people will see already that I'm prepared for it :P
 
The disclaimer on top kinda works well
I had that for my "Merge NAA and VLQ" and all comments were surprisingly constructive
Apart from @BhargavRao usual pun of course.
 
So I think that is my final draft: gist.github.com/Rizier123/08feadacd9e3ba05fd63eec432b45b96 (See last paragraph; Tried to make it crystal clear) Any last words/arguments, why I shouldn't post it?
 
11:29 AM
Hiya o/
I'd put it on top, not at the end. 70% aren't going to read that far otherwise :D
 
I know, but I feel like the question doesn't look very nice anymore when I have to put that at the top.
 
Oh? Even in a >?
 
I will edit it in if needed. (Also I didn't put any "related" links in there since I only found questions about reputation being a problem in general; none was about having such a new reputationsystem)
 
ok
 
Well if I post it now right after: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/323024/3933332 my question already looks high quality compared to the other one :P
 
11:34 AM
blargh
 
I hope the title isn't too much meta-fun (I just came up with that word)
 
space in title!!
 
You mean "Reputation system 2.0"?
 
yeah
 
asked 3 minutes ago and no vote on it? WAT?
 
Sam
11:41 AM
> Reputation system 2.0
Your gonna get a few DVs just for the title
 
:D Meta is the compensation to the main site. On the main site you farm upvotes, while on meta you earn downvotes. Just to keep the balance.
 
Sam
:D
 
@Tunaki That comment is so tempting!
 
it's looking good @Riz, the first comment is constructive :)
 
11:51 AM
@Tunaki Hold on! That is just the spy, before the real war begins :P
 
:D
 
@Sam You just couldn't resist, could you?
 
lol :D
 
Sam
I haven't wrote something like that in a while :)
 
^^ Is it a approve or reject?
 
12:01 PM
rejecturd
 
@AshishAhujaツ Thanks for the support. I have that argument also in my question, just a bit hidden in "People will now get specifically rewarded for moderating the site with reputation and privileges and it won't change their contribution reputation or privileges"
 
yeah that's a nice comment
 
@ArtOfCode Hey am here... :D
 
@PraveenKumar awesome. Can you jump over to this room?
 
12:16 PM
@Rizier123 Your post is actually quite sensible, but the only thing I'm worried about is the complexity. The system right now only has so many bugs, so how many bugs will be there if such a new massive system will be added?
 
@AshishAhujaツ I think before we even start thinking about implementing it it needs to be very very well thoughtful and then I think you also can't just put it live. This would definitely need some testing and experimenting.
 
@AshishAhujaツ Remember to not go changing your name for "testing" again any time soon btw :p
 
@JonClements I'm sorry If I caused trouble, but I never wanted to take a mod's help to change my name back. I wanted to basically go to another community and do "save to all". It used to work, but not it isn't. So yeah, I won't go testing again :)
@Rizier123 I'm all with the system, as it would be a lot of advantage to me.
 
@AshishAhujaツ I want to be very careful about it, since if we would do it it would be a huge change. So that's why I first want to get different opinions on it and don't want to get it implemented right away without thinking about it.
 
I guess the downvoting means "it's so bad, it isn't even worth talking about it"
 
12:28 PM
Your question is now in negatives :(
 
12:44 PM
 
12:57 PM
spam? stackoverflow.com/a/37226790/1743880 or just link-only meh?
 
@Tuna Looks like spam.
 
The question looks off-topiv
 
mah the question is asking for it, I'm going VLQ and ----v
grumble
 
Yeah spam seems hard, the problem is the question user could be in good faith
 
Yes but you killed my combo. So I will have to ask you to make me waffles.
 
1:02 PM
!!/waffles
 
You don't want to awake the Tuna.
 
!!/coffe
!!/coffee
 
@AshishAhujaツ brews coffee for @AshishAhujaツ
 
@Ashish converts coffee to Waffles using superpowers
@Ashish passes waffles to @Tuna
 
Tuna is pleased and going back to regular activites.
 
user3956566
1:05 PM
wow I couldn't get into any chats for ages
 
Sam
@Yvette Network problems?
 
@Tunaki Hot waffles.. sorry was checking api's and playing around
 
Sigh. Having fun again? tsk tsk
 
user3956566
@Sam yes just checked the attached devices and there were a couple or iphones and a couple of android devices, so I put my restrictions back on and bumped the kids off
 
Sam
lol
 
1:18 PM
Those kids, taking all the bandwidth...!
 
Sam
Cya!
 
user3956566
I haven't had time to look at Ada but when this first part of this job is over, I should have a week or so @Sam
 
user3956566
@Tunaki yes and one jsut walked in complaining
 
Sam
Ok
 
user3956566
1:21 PM
our bandwidth is hopeless at the best of times
 
user3956566
 
1:40 PM
@Yvette I imagine you to have a wild Gbps Aussie intranet, but the connection of your hub with the rest of the globe is through a single dial-up modem
 
@Andras o/
 
@Tunaki hiya
 
Sam
@AndrasDeak Hiya
 
@Sam \o
 
1:54 PM
Anyone here who is expert in html?
 
user3956566
@AndrasDeak yes!! and it deserves a one box
 
user3956566
@Sam thanks for not rousing on me for the one box, it's s frustration and a disability :D
 
user3956566
not the one box, the internet speed LOL
 
Sam
@AshishAhujaツ Please don't start to flood the room again with cv-plses.
 

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