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1:00 PM
How many times must that be reposted? I'm sure he was talking about the Tavern, anyway...
 
@Mogsdad 9001 times
 
Oh. Keep going then!
 
Sam
@Magisch 24
 
@SmokeDetector Smokey, you are wrong this time
 
!!/blame
 
1:02 PM
@Magisch It's Wai Ha Lee's fault.
 
@Magisch Surely "over 9000" is the correct response?
 
Maybe
 
Meh. That's too obvious. It can't be correct
 
@ryanyuyu I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Sam
1:04 PM
Oh hey, I speak that language.
 
@Tunaki I went with rude/abusive. it is a troll and trolling is rude
 
I would report that
 
Ah there's no image right?
 
the image was removed from imgur for obscenity
==definately spam
 
1:05 PM
Oh
 
@Tunaki The image says there is no image
 
there is no spoon
 
@Magisch No, the image link is just screwed up
 
No further participation of the user
 
@TylerH Then how can I have soup?
 
1:06 PM
@DavidG Well imgur only removed for Obscenity, dmca requests or when the link is broken
so either is damning
 
@Ferrybig how come undo did not flag that as spam??
 
50 pending flags guys. You know what that means?
 
@PetterFriberg I assume it was either a mistake, and the fixed it in a later message, but that feedback never arrived, or there was something else. Let me see if I can find that moment in chat
 
@Magisch I mean the link is screwed so it's pretty much giving a 404, impossible to say if it was offensive, or even if there was ever an image uploaded.
 
@Tunaki Mods are in Ibiza.
 
1:08 PM
@Tunaki You have no life and prowled through NATO all morning?
 
That. But it also means you're all slacking.
 
@DavidG I default to that explaination when I see link-removed from imgur
 
@Magisch That's a potentially dangerous assumption then. Could just be user did something by mistake.
 
Tunaki or the person who is single handedly responsible for like 10% of LQP reviews beeing fed
 
1:11 PM
@NathanOliver slurp it
 
@Tunaki That seems hard, I only go for NAA
 
@PetterFriberg It was indeed a mistake, I tracked the post down to this chatlog. Undo did sd k fpu, but someone did a sd why quickly before Undo did his move. You can confirm that this was the moment by decreasing the id of the metasmoke post, and seeing that the title of post 12123 is indeed the anime post
 
Blame the humans.
 
Blame the SD command for not human latency safe
 
Its always the humans - Blender
 
1:16 PM
@Ferrybig Thanks
 
@Magisch isn't it "Bender", as he is a "bender"
 
idk
Im still banging my head against this windows 2000 driver incompatibility
 
@Tunaki ok I approved one of your flags stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/11928033, but now I need to work : )
 
Sam
@Magisch Try uninstalling windows.
 
@Magisch Did you consider putting the thing on fire and walking away?
 
1:17 PM
@PetterFriberg work more on the queue right?
 
: ), later to night I will deny some....
 
@Ferrybig I did, but its a specialised hardware programming machine worth excess of 1.6m euros
so maybe not
 
Sam
@Ferrybig You mean like this?
 
@Sam At work right now, so I will bookmark
 
Its a specific driver for a UART <-> COMport bridge with special settings
which then feeds a station
into a bluetooth scanner
which a VB6 application processes the input from
to go through a ms access 2003 .mdb file database app
to put stuff into a sql server
 
1:20 PM
This is all done in jQuery I hope?
 
Sam
@Tunaki Nope, PHP
 
All php
just to piss you off
 
@Magisch ok, I tell you what? That sucks so much that even you suck...
 
@Braiam :(
 
@Braiam One of the 10 worst poems, ever.
 
1:23 PM
Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Your app sucks,
And so do you.
 
@Mogsdad I aim to please
 
Wafflez
 
Im a poet and I didn't even know it!
 
it doesn't roll on the tongue
 
Astounding!
 
1:25 PM
Great, we have 79 80 posts containing wafflez in this room using the search.
 
98.48% helpful flags
 
@Magisch What a newbie.
 
Oh yeah Mr. Tuna god of flags
 
> 99.68% helpful
 
@Magisch and when is kyll involved?... opening and closing the mdb access file?
 
1:29 PM
Kyll is in the code for the vb6 app, in the vba code of the .mdb file, in the code of the scanner, in the bluetooth bridge code, and in the data processing code
and the transferred string is kyll encoded
 
I am the guy that deletes the ldb file when mdb row locking messes up
 
And I am the guy that tells the guy delete the ldb file when mdb row locking messes up
 
The most advanced computers at our company, that we just got a year ago, run windows 7
 
seems correct consider the program structure you have : ), no need to buy new stuff...
I would go for windows 95 or why not CE
 
Windows Me
 
1:36 PM
NATO is abandoned. Still 50 flags pending review.
 
@PaulRoub OP says in his opening line that it's a dupe of his previous q from yesterday!
 
@JAL No, it's an answer.
 
JAL
@DavidG Oh I see, the wording got me off. I thought it was saying "I can't do this, here's my code." But it's really saying "I couldn't do this, here's how I solved it."
 
@JAL looks like an answer. He just started off with saying he couldn't find a way to do it like the OP wants either.
 
1:39 PM
It is a naughty way of doing it though, SQL injection ftw
 
@Magisch deja vu...
 
2:01 PM
sd f edited
 
2:13 PM
@Tunaki What do you think? Is this similar enough to this to be flag-worthy?
 
It is a bit different. Don't know if it makes sense though.
 
It's identical, minus the conditional -- it's just reduced to the "responds to boundingRecWithSize" case
 
@rene I just found this meta since I would want the CVQ to be ordered by votes cast. I found your link to the corresponding MSE. Now: how the hell is that [status-completed]?? FR: sort CVQ by votes. Answer: it already is, but in a way that it isn't.
do you know of any other official response to the subject?
 
"Link-only QUESTION!" ^^^^
 
Sigh, Larsoned before I could report it stackoverflow.com/questions/36479088/…
I'll bbl, commuting
 
2:26 PM
... And 4 CV lost in space.
 
@Mogsdad No repo as well as he now fixed the website.
 
they had 2 years:P
 
@Tunaki I retract my CV's off of deleted questions. Then I spend the elsewhere.
 
Hmmm. But when you retract it, you're not refunded of it?
 
Ignore we I was completely wrong. Once cast they are gone. :(
 
2:29 PM
[reference-needed]
 
What close reason should I use for this question?
 
@AndrasDeak nope, queue ordering is as it is. Don't expect a change in that logic\
 
@ryanyuyu I want to say blatantly off-topic, but "unclear" if it is about programming or not I guess
 
@Gimby SharpBox is a .Net library so it is programming at least.
 
@Gimby yeah did the "not programming related" option go away?
 
2:35 PM
how is that spam?
 
@ryanyuyu no, off-topic: blatantly off-topic is still there
 
testing something
 
haa
I think some red flags were raised.
 
@Gimby Um, where? :-)
 
@Tunaki Not from me, but a close vote was cast : )
 
2:37 PM
I don't see it in the menu. Maybe it's a difference between 3k close vote dialog and the flag for closure dialog?
 
i.sstatic.net/SsxcI.jpg 3k Off-Topic close reasons available
 
So... if you spam flagged that, you need to pay more attention
 
:2981710 ah, in review
crossed wires, in the site's close vote reasons its still there
 
@Undo No spam flag, but you made us close vote the question....
 
@Undo I figured that out yeah when you said "testing something"...
 
2:39 PM
Yeah, I was testing just how bad the reflex-flagging thing is.
 
I think 2 spam flags were raised. So it's pretty bad.
 
@Gimby the same options are available in the queue as are available when passing by a question normally
 
@PetterFriberg Made?
 
Yeah since we look at the question when link only answer like that... no report, we would never have seen the question
 
2:42 PM
@Undo spam flagged what?
 
@AndrasDeak I told you nothing is going to be changed, after A51 this is the next part of the code-base that is unloved...
 
JAL
I flagged as naa
 
@Andy You can see that the 3 last votes was from this room... I stand by my vote, but clearly if no report we would not have seen the question if no report. (that is what I meant with made)
 
@Undo ahh, hmm I can't even see it :-)
 
2:46 PM
@rene yeah, but I had no idea there were technical obstacles
I thought they were happy with it...
this is quite different, and I completely understand
(which is unexpected)
 
Ah legacy systems hindering future advancement. Classic.
 
So, who wants to volunteer to rebuild the CV queue? :-D
In Haskell
 
If that happens it is without side-effects
 
@Adriaan I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
Don't blindly flag Smokey reports or you can't have nice things.
 
2:52 PM
Can that ^^ get pinned to the sidebar please
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
done
 
Ta!
 
@Andy we have a multi-day low hanging fruit clean up python going on if you want a batch in the beehive
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Who is paying really attention? click me click me by ferrybig on stackoverflow.com ...
 
2:54 PM
-1 not rickroll attempt
 
^
 
Rick has a new song out btw!
 
oh no
 
A single? Or a full album?
 
Single today, album soon
 
2:55 PM
@gunr2171 was thinking of it, but didn't do because people may be at work
 
That's when I rely on #NotMyProblem
 
@Ferrybig that's what headphones are for.
 
I wonder if there's any way to make Smokey do audits...
 
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
@DavidG I've been wondering that.
 
2:56 PM
Ha perfect timing
 
@DavidG It's sounding like a better and better idea
 
@Undo If you guys could that would be awesome. That answer should not have been flaged.
 
Dunno how you'd do it though, you kinda need questions that aren't spam and then to punish people who badly flag them
 
@DavidG we'd need an SO mod standing by to clean up the mess.
 
I've been Undone
 
2:58 PM
@Undo Hmmm where would we find an SO mod?
 
@DavidG This one is sleeping during a chunk of the day :P
 
@DavidG Inside the Undo button of word, we need to decompile word
 
It'd probably end up being a workflow like: "find spammy-looking non-spam post, !!/report in CHQ/Tavern, see who flags"
 
I'm sure Smokey can be set up to SMS you for every audit.
 
Well if someone can persuade Shog to give me an SO diamond, I'll do it :P
 
2:59 PM
Adriaan passed a audit!
 
posing C# code as latex aint working on me
 
Have SmokeDetector search positively-voted questions and just pick one
 
@Undo That's actually a good idea.
 
I think the manual workflow will work well
 
Not sure it should be spammy-looking
 
2:59 PM
:O I clear from the queue for me
 
@ArtOfCode The main problem is communicating back to the flagger(s) that they did bad.
 
With a debrief in the channel(s) after each one
 
isn't the point of audits supposed to be "obvious if you're paying attention"
 
You can't exactly just ping them in public, 'cause flags are supposed to be private.
 
@Undo There's this button, somewhere on the mod menu of a user profile, that says "suspend".
 
3:00 PM
looks fine?
 
oh, heh
 
plain code, not spam
 
@Undo That is your fault!
 
JAL
it was from the previous report
 
JAL
3:00 PM
^ that
 
@NathanOliver Invalid format. Valid format: !!/rmblu profileurl or !!/rmblu userid sitename.
 
And that was @Undo's second audit
 
So we passed?
 
@NathanOliver User removed from blacklist (4601900 on stackoverflow.com).
 
@ArtOfCode For one flag? Sounds like a good way to get lynched on meta.
although... maybe messaging without suspending wouldn't be out of the question
 
3:01 PM
Can you even see our flags though?
 
@Undo After a few, obviously. Messages maybe, or private chatroom.
@DavidG yes
 
@Undo we have popcorn, go on ....
 
he's a mod he has supahpowers
 
In that case a manual workflow will work. Maybe Smokey needs an (admin only) manual report that looks like a non-manual report?
!!/audit post
 
Maybe
 
3:03 PM
The fact that we need audits shows that there is a big problem.
 
I dunno, something about stings like the feels wrong
@Tunaki Don't know if it's even big
 
Right, huge :)
 
@Tunaki So, same as review queues?
The fact we need audits there is a big problem?
 
@Tunaki people make mistakes, and the more people you have for the longer amount of time, the more mistakes they will make
 
You could treat the audits as reminders rather then punishment then, just to nudge people now and then.
 
3:04 PM
you just have to force them to pay attention still after a long time
->audits indeed
 
Okay. Then why wouldn't we have audits on cv-pls?
 
@Tunaki I already thought about that earlier:)
 
because those aren't red flags.
 
you should
 
@DavidG That's also a valid idea, but if people are consistently getting them wrong then we need to do something as well.
 
3:05 PM
Audit all the things
 
It feels wrong.
 
@Tunaki Why shouldn't we do that? cv-pls is almost the wrong thing to ask, it should be review-for-cv for example.
 
Having audits says that we can't trust members.
 
@Tunaki With that logic, SO trusts nobody, not even mods.
 
@Tunaki The database says we're already looking at that possibility.
 
3:07 PM
@Tunaki I believe the accurate term is "trust but verify"
 
We can trust you, I hope, but it's important that standards don't lapse.
 
@Tunaki In high-profile scientific research, like looking for the Higgs of gravitational waves, people are exerting a lot of effort to counteract biases ingrained in humans. Like, there are people assigned for embedding artificial positives in measured signals, or they ask someone to shift the dataset by a given secret quantity, so that your personal beliefs of "how much the Higgs should weigh" do not affect their least-squares fit. The same should be audits here.
 
because humans are fallible
 
(sorry for the multi-ping)
 
JAL
People already audit posts. I've posted a cv request before and users have pointed out that it's not close-worth to them. Like the FAQ says, it's , not
 
3:08 PM
@JAL but actively forcing people to think twice with false positives is what matters
an occasional disagreement will not make you think twice, if you're inclined to being a robo
 
JAL
I think (or at least I hope) that's already implied
but I guess not
 
it's the reason why review queue audits are supposed to be easy (except for the crappy ones)
 
Implied for people who care but not for people who are the problem
 
what matters is the fact that what you see might be a trap
makes you more wary
@TylerH exactly
 
what do you all think about this question? IMHO it's too broad and off-topic.
 
3:11 PM
@cybermonkey Sounds like a general software question
cannot open PDFs
And people shouldn't be opening PDFs in browsers anyway because boo PDF
 
@TylerH thanks- mod flagged to request closure (can't do so by normal means as it has a bounty)
 
@Adriaan link only?
 
@DavidG yes
 
It's a link to a Plunkr though
 
3:15 PM
still a link
 
As currently written, this post is a question about using wordpress, not programming wordpress. Stack Overflow deals with specific programming questions, not with configuring and using general software. If this is a programming question, we need more details, including an mvce. — gunr2171 7 secs ago
 
@gunr2171 *mcve
 
and I messed up the acronym. oh well
 
@gunr You know you can write [mcve]?
 
@gunr2171 or use [mcve] ;)
@Tunaki beat me to it :(
 
3:17 PM
meh, always forget the order of letters
 
@gunr2171 yay I'm not alone
 
I wish [help] auto converted to a link to the Help Center
 
@gunr2171 that is the reason that you can find the mcve post also with mvce in the Help centre
 
@gunr2171 SSCCE (Short, Self Contained, Correct Example) might be easier for you ;)
 
@gunr2171 Think of it as an Irish name
McVeee
 
3:19 PM
 
inb4 someone says "but gunr, the url you used HAD the correct acronym in it!"
 
sd f edited
 
@Gimby it never has for me...
 
@Adriaan see it now, the OP of the answer is basically confessing that it's NAA
 
3:22 PM
@Adriaan You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 6 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 32 minutes and 58 seconds, averaging to a review every 32 seconds.
 
@cybermonkey thanks
 
@Adriaan also:
@cybermonkey The plunker just demonstrates that the question is missing the code that allows to diagnose the problem and as a template for user5798214 to create a repo case. There is nothing to show. — Günter Zöchbauer 4 mins ago
doesn't that mean the answer's a comment?
 
Yes
but your reply comment could be worded a little kinder in my humble opinion :-)
 
@tylerh did an experiment on one of my own answers here: How can I inject a managed property in an ActionListener - it wurks
 
@cybermonkey your argument would have more weight if you say "close the question instead"
 
3:25 PM
@Braiam I'm not qualified enough to decide, question itself looks OK.
 
@Gimby interesting
though very annoying that it's not capitalized
 
<twitch> 48 rep user: I don't the the rep to comment, so...
 
@TylerH ha! you should feature request that.
 
@Mogsdad well they don't :-)
@Gimby I have a feeling that would be laughed at for being trivial complaining
 
3:29 PM
@gunr2171 Yay! Gunr has identified the cesspool we'll go wading into for our first Edit Event. (Which he will also lead!)
editing...
 
@cybermonkey I went with "too broad", my go-to for specifications.
 
@Mogsdad nope nope nope nope nope nope nope
 
@gunr2171 Thanks for volunteering!
 
@gunr2171 wooo, edits!;D
 
3:33 PM
Gunr is such a trooper. he is going to shoot all of us so he can get out of it ;)
 
I suggest starting with old crap so that we all get archaeologist
 
@gunr2171... is this hell for YOU? buwahahaha!
 
3:45 PM
 
3:56 PM
??
 
reading....
So the question boils down to "in c#, why aren't all the functions named the same way?"
 
Looks that way
 
good question
we should call all of them Skeet(){}
 
4:11 PM
@NathanOliver Yes. You can tell by the way that high-rep users are providing helpful answers to the question that wasn't asked!
@cybermonkey Are you insane?
@gunr2171 Wondering if it's worthwhile editing such a new question to match the answer? (Leaning towards "no".)
 
Tanks guys
 
@Adriaan does this go to tex? stackoverflow.com/questions/36276715
 
@Tunaki some info on how they expect to mark to smokey .. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/28709283#28709283 (edits that destroyes post seem to need ignore...)
 
@BhargavRao could you dupehammer this to the insert ignore / IODKU mysql reference
 
@PetterFriberg Too long to read. Give me a feedback when a conclusion has been reached
 
4:25 PM
@Tunaki lol, its an old transcript, not even they know... so they go for ignore : )
There are some other interesting statistics on you in charcoal-hq : ) 174 reported posts...
 
@Drew Was that a wrong ping? I ain't have mysql hammer :/
 
Is just me or Smokey is suffering second system effect?
 
As long as they're good...
 
python wont work for that one BR?
 
Nope
 
4:28 PM
@Braiam well that people flag spam a smokey report that is not is certainly an issue they need to handle (even if what I have understand if was not close to being nuked)
To address this, they will remove "link at end" reports to SOCVR chat room (this seems to be the most dangerous ones...
 
oh?
 
@PetterFriberg I'm not talking about that... but Smokey came into being as solely "spam detector"
when was that task forgotten?
 
As part of the SOCVR room we maintain a Magic editor user script that fixes most common mistakes and removes fluff. — rene Apr 3 at 15:09
 
@Braiam aah ok, sorry, however the issue with people destroying their post is interesting bacuse if we see it we can rollback, so I can't see it as a bad thing to report.
 
Why does this script not attempt to autoinstall like the old one?
 
4:32 PM
@Andy It does, click "Raw".
 
Using Firefox, if I visit a userscript I'm generally presented with a popup that asks to install. But for the Magic editor, that popup doesn't appear even in the Raw view
 
@Andy You might need to change https to http in the raw URL
 
I find that having several small highly efficient reporters to be more rewarding
also, permits us to ignore reports
 
afk
 
@Tunaki Weird, but that works. I'll have to see if there is something I changed in FF that would affect that
Thank you
 
4:36 PM
@Mogsdad was going to clean up the question for them in a format that is good. I also was going to go through the problem with the OP in detail, to ensure that everything is there.
also that email address is my public email, I don't care what people do with it. I also currently sort my mail manually.
 
@cybermonkey A better way would be to invite them to chat.
 
@BhargavRao I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Mogsdad I know and it's the first option I would've chosen, but they don't have the rep to chat.
 
@Braiam That's still what it is. We do have a few too many false positives; working on that right now.
 
(unless I missed some recent change)
 
4:38 PM
Bhargav Rao passed an audit!
 
@cybermonkey I think they can be invited to specific chats... might be wrong. When a comment-convo with a new user gets long, you're invited to continue in chat - I've used that.
Just that the email contact is... messy.
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
@Mogsdad it would be nice if the magic editor could handle UPPER CASE POSTS BETTER.
 
@PetterFriberg Working on it at the moment!
Problem: Fortran...
 
aah great, I will let you keep on working, thanks... : )
 
4:43 PM
It already takes care of screaming titles, but used to make a mess of posts, so I disabled it there.
afk... man cannot live by NATO alone...
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
4:58 PM
juuust passing by
 
@Kyll I'm going with "unclear"
 
@Braiam Really, whatever x)
 
@BhargavRao You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 5 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 22 minutes and 47 seconds, averaging to a review every 22 seconds.
 
Thanks @Closey
Bye all, GTG \o
 
I have a batch up in the beehive in a folder called Pre-chosen. If a mod picks it up, it saves us 197 votes. The close vote reason is, well, pre-chosen
 
JAL
5:26 PM
Flagged this answer as NAA, but it was invalidated from the LQP review queue. How?
 
@JAL What was the result of your flag?
I cannot find a review record for it at all
 
5:44 PM
@TylerH I know there is that but it doesn't look like anyone ever did a review action on it. For some reason the flag just died. @JAL was it helpful, disputed or declined?
 
5:56 PM
@JAL I flagged as well, still pending.
 

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