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3:00 PM
@Tunaki did you buy a whip?
 
what kind of question is that :D
I have a whip... for cooking.
 
You're the boss now
You need something to keep us peasants in line
 
gets worried
 
@JonClements don't be, you're a puppy not a peasant
 
reassures Jon that the goal justifies the means
 
3:09 PM
Hey @Tunaki
GZ to RO
 
Hiya @Magisch and thanks :)
 
Now you can be enslaved by the room to recruit people help people better :)
 
Yeah, 2 clicks away from kicking all of you.
 
Obvious bluffs don't work
 
@Tunaki kick the mods :D
 
3:17 PM
@Signal An edit you made is discussed on Meta meta.stackoverflow.com/q/319362/1743880
 
afk
 
oops I just commented there
Didn't check the source of the issue
 
I'm looking for a dupe by the way, this has been discussed before
 
yeah, @Signal, don't remove tags (or edit otherwise) that invalidates other answers
of course it might not have been approved in the first place
but reviewers would've had to look at the answers for that
 
... reviewers ... looking ... hmm
 
3:24 PM
that's a really crap question, by the way
and even unclear
and I think the numpy answer is really reasonable, as much as the list comp solution of yours
I'm tempted to downvote that question...but I don't want to be that guy
 
@Tunaki I'd say so
 
Appears to be
 
he's adding his attempt and why it doesn't work
 
@AndrasDeak removing a tag doesnt necessarily invalidate existing answers.
 
3:40 PM
specifically in this case I'd say the edit was justified, since the OP does not appear to use numpy, though he should've commented that to the OP and let him decide. That's also give you the notion of whether the OP wants to use it or not.
 
@cimmanon no, it doesn't, but often I hear "numpy is the jquery of python", meaning "all sorts of crap is being solved with numpy when there's no mention of it and it's not even necessary"
to be clear, I love numpy and that's what I always use when I use python
but still, OP's concern is exactly the tag removal, making his numpy answer partially uncalled-for
while with the (formerly superfluous) tag it was reasonable to give a numpy-based answer without any explanations and apologies
 
go take a look at javascript questions that are missing the jquery tag, youll find thousands of them that contain both vanilla and jquery answers
its only inappropriate to suggest a jquery answer for a pure css question :p
 
yeah, I suspected from the snarky comparison:D
 
the "just use jquery" mentality is so bad, sometimes it is impossible to find the pure vanilla solution :-(
 
3:44 PM
I'd still say the answer's not uncalled for, only when, as @AndrasDeak commented, OP specifically does not want to use numpy. Otherwise using a free and well documented official module seems fine to me
 
If you want a pure plain vanilla JS solution then you must state it in the question.
 
@Adriaan you're not taking into account that importing an extra module where you can use a list comprehension is not really necessary
and there are a lot of anal strongly critical people around, and you can even get downvoted in this situation
 
@AndrasDeak I know nothing about python eh ;). He might use numpy in the rest of his script though
 
which downvotes wouldn't have been placed had the tag been around
@Adriaan yes, and he probably does, since they import * from numpy (which is a really stupid thing to do, even if you do use some things in the module)
 
@Tunaki if i tag a question with javascript and not jquery, i dont think i should have to specify that i want a vanilla javascript answer
2
 
3:48 PM
maybe someone will come and answer in jquery, then retag with it;)
 
@cimmanon Then you're at the mercy of answerers saying "hey, use my awesome library that does exactly that!"
 
"it's called jquery"
 
I don't believe "basic question" is a valid close reason
 
It is best to stick to the selectable reasons, or variations thereof. But "basic q" or "lack of effort" or "attitude" are not close reasons.
 
Ian
@TimCastelijns no, it is not... thus question mark there... just not sure what to put as the close reason under the right category
 
3:59 PM
 
you could argue that it is unclear why the OP didnt run the code to find out what the result is :p
 
Ian
@cimmanon I see... ;)
 
Yes but the Q itself is pretty clear
 
Ian
Anyway I am out of bullet today...
 
if i asked the question "what does the expression 1 + 1 equal in javascript", thats a clear question thats not worthy of closure?
 
Ian
4:02 PM
The question is one of the occasions where deleting it will increase the rep by 20. ;)
 
@cimmanon how would you close it?
 
cant delete it if it doesnt get closed
 
Ian
Hope you get the joke... ;)
 
"unclear what you're asking" since "I find it hard to believe that you honestly want us to run your code" :P
 
Isn't there a dupe for such questions?
 
4:05 PM
oh, this used to be "lacks minimal understanding", right?
 
i went with unclear, because its not clear why the OP didnt just run the code
 
51
Q: The 3 different equals

StrawberryWhat is the difference between =, ==, and ===? I think using one equal sign is to declare a variable while two equal signs is for a comparison condition and lastly three equal signs is for comparing values of declared variables.

...but I can't close it in one go since I don't have a gold for python
 
@Fred-ii- that's not Python though, even though the first two operators are the same
 
@Fred-ii- one-box alert
 
4:08 PM
@Adriaan I know, but the logic is the same.
 
in languages that offer 2 different equality operators (php, javascript, etc.), they all have the same behavior, dont they?
 
are those really the same?
 
@cimmanon they sure do.
 
@cimmanon in MATLAB at least, yes. There's no === there afaik
 
OK, I guess that's the question...
@Adriaan there's only the one equality operator in MATLAB
 
4:10 PM
@AndrasDeak that's what I said right?
 
yes, but not what cimmanon was talking about
 
Ian
The point here is that, sometimes our dupe attempt failed for basic questions because there is no exact dupe... yet... But well, you could argue that you can find it in other language. It is kind of weak argument IMHO though. Because an operator in one language is not necessarily translated identically to other language. Take SQL equal comparison for example, it uses single = while some other programming languages use double ==
 
there are a bunch of languages with 1 equality operator:P
that doesn't help at all
 
@AndrasDeak oh right. Well, technically there's a few functions for that, since strings and cells are different innit
 
but those are not equality operators, if I'm not mistaken
just various functions returning logical values
 
4:23 PM
"everyone", right
except <10k peasants:(
 
well, before they are deleted yeah
 
oh sorry, I misread something and the first two were deleted:D
cognitive functions at 70% today
maybe 30%
 
@Tunaki 3y7m old account
does look like promoting one's own toolbox though
since I don't understand javascript nor jquery I can't say much more on that though
 
Plop!
So that Casino question was reopened. There's still no answer in favour of keeping it around, though.
 
4:35 PM
@Tunaki looks shifty to me, since the linked page doesnt mention anything about fullpage.js
 
Hiya @Kyll
 
@Tunaki yeah, having to pay for something isn't too "Kosher".
 
Yay, Fred is here today again!
 
@Kyll Good day ;-) how you doing today?
 
@Fred-ii- Pretty fine. I was at a meeting, tonight I go at a birthday party
What 'bout you?
 
4:39 PM
@Kyll right on. You're going to have a lot of fun :) am doing good. Just doing a bit of coding right now. Registration/verification type of stuff. hard coding but I'll be heading out later. Nice day here.
 
Anyone knows if there's a Meta post about questions about industry practices?
 
...not me.
 
That Casino MSO post seems like it could be generalized to "Are questions about industry practices on-topic?"
 
Ian
@Closey alive
 
@Ian I feel fine.
 
@Mogsdad Does "blue" rhyme with "queue"?
 
Are you planning to ask this question?
 
@Tunaki Yes
 
@Tunaki The NSA wont let a chink that isn't very nice of that guy.
 
Ian
I just realize that I haven't run out of CV bullet. I run out of CV Review
 
4:52 PM
@Kyll Isn't it too broad of a question? :D
 
@Tunaki How so?
 
Mwarf maybe not.
 
See any improvement to it?
 
Nope, I don't.
 
I'll post it in a few days
 
5:01 PM
Okay.
 
@Kyll Yeah... how do you pronounce them?
 
@Mogsdad ... "blue" I think I pronounce correctly, I've always pronounced "queue" like I say it in French.
 
@Mogsdad bleu and q-eu ;)
 
or as in "pool cue" ;)
 
Blue is "bloo", queue is "kyoo"
 
5:07 PM
...yep
 
Sam
Blame gunr's internet
 
@Kyll Prediction: heavy downvoting and snide comments. If you link to an example question that's open, it will be closed in minutes. Then reopened and closed again. Eventually an employee will post the answer, "that's off topic, regardless of the technology or industry, because it's impossible to give an authoritative answer, therefore it's too broad." Everyone will remember your question, and you'll need to go around with a bag over your head for the rest of your life.
 
@Mogsdad Will it be a silly bag? I could live with that. More seriously, there doesn't seem to be a definitive answer around. With the Casino question still here, it will indeed seem opportunistic and cheap. So I'll wait a few days and we'll see. I tried not to disclose any opinion in the question, to focus votes on the "We need to know the scope of such questions" side of things
 
<- is out of votes for today : (
How do I get more CVs? I know flags work like more helpful flags and rep get you more of them, but how's it for CVs?
 
Whatever you do, don't link to an example. This question was closed / reopened / deleted / undeleted 4 times now.
 
5:14 PM
bit painful that I completed my review duties at breakfast, and have been out of votes since
 
@Tunaki Meta effect at its stupidest
 
@Adriaan This is the only way we get more votes I know of: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/319131/…
 
@Adriaan You don't. Unfortunately :).
 
@Adriaan Prepare your campaign for the next mod election!
 
@Tunaki ah, so I should keep the review until approximately midnight, to get rid of the votes I didn't need during the day
@Mogsdad I already have, I am proposing @AndrasDeak ;)
 
5:15 PM
That will get Andras more close votes - it won't help you...
 
afk
 
@Mogsdad oh, I thought you wanted someone to run for mod with the promise of giving more CVs to the community at large
 
@Closey stop bot
 
@Adriaan If only mods had that power... But I was jealously watching Jon racking up the extra close votes, is all.
 
I am entirely too much of a rascal to ever be allowed moderator powers.
besides, I don't like dogs. That'd upset quite a few mods I'd think
 
5:19 PM
Have you tried them with ketchup? Delicious! Might turn you around...
 
@Mogsdad oh, yes, that I like. Jon wasn't very keen on that joke though
"I like all animals equally, provided they are cooked properly."
 
lol
 
I don't think I ever tasted dog. My South-Korean room mate did offer me dinner his parents sent him, which was cat.
 
@Adriaan lol:D
 
@Adriaan Don't tell Kyll, but I've had squirrel, during survival training.
 
5:22 PM
no way
I hope it didn't have a spear
 
@Mogsdad I shouldn't tell @Kyll that you did survival training?
 
uh oh.
 
Yeah, well, er, I've had dad, okay..! runs away crying
and now actually afk
cough I'm going to be late...
 
@Mogsdag congrats to you as well, boss
 
And now we know why squirrels need to be armed. And helmeted.
 
5:33 PM
@Tunaki Flagged.
 
@Tunaki at least Im not out of flags yet :)
 
@Tunaki I suspect you do that automatically. Does it check to see whether the question's been closed?
 
Yes, it's a script that moves automatically cv-pls linking to a closed question
 
Wow, bot breaking leaves a wreckage.
 
5:37 PM
What's wrong with you Closey. Stop timing out.
 
@Tunaki to stay at the topic of removing fluff from this room: is stuff with 'waffles' and/or 'o/' also automatically removed, or is that a non-understood inside joke?
 
No they're not. don't say it loud but we sometimes have fun here...
 
@Tunaki I thought we hate fun on SO? :P
 
@Adriaan Did you say "fun"? ಠ_ಠ
 
@IͶΔ I meant "FUN" of course, apologies, Functional Universal Network
 
aw:(
 
@user2314737 based on their on-topic I say no.
 
@rene thank for the link, yes it seems off-topic there too
 
@user2314737 Would it fit in any SE site?
 
5:54 PM
@IͶΔ I'm not going to read the on-topic pages of all SE sites
 
I don't think it does.
 
@rene FYI you were sorta-pinged
 
@IͶΔ no that's a bad question on any site. :P
 
@user2314737 You won't need that to give me a "no".
 
@IͶΔ there are pretty wild SE sites out there:P
 
5:57 PM
@AndrasDeak I see, not much to add to what is already in the comments and answer, thx.
 
no prob
 
@Closey alive
 
@AndrasDeak that's true
 
@Fred-ii- if you could have some of you buddies look at the PHP batches in beehive I will keep posting them
 
good. We are working on our internet (setting up DHCP) so the bots and I will be out for a while
 
6:06 PM
Out partying
 
@AndrasDeak you? Partying? Which parallel universe is that?
 
not me, gunr and the bots
what were you even thinking?:P
 
@AndrasDeak makes much more sense. You and partying are mutually exclusive as far as I know you.
 
@AndrasDeak No, that question would be off-topic for LifeHacks.
 
@IͶΔ and bricks?
@Adriaan well I've never actually tried...
 
6:20 PM
We don't have a bricks.SE. Yet
 
I might be a great partier o.O
@IͶΔ na-huh
 
> block enthusiasts
 
That's technically LEGO answers.
 
@AndrasDeak let me know when you're going to try that. I'll bring popcorn to watch that
 
will do
 
6:27 PM
@DavidArenburg Don't blame the answer with such a question...
 
ok, censored
 
Voted to delete the question
 
@Tunaki Why not?
If someone is a moron it doesn't mean you should play along
This question should be just closed instead of posting comments as answers
 
stop it will you, we focus on the post not on the user
 
No attempts whatsoever there^
 
6:35 PM
Hi again o/
 
\o
 
6:46 PM
Hello everyone! (nagato v2 docker)
 
@Closey status
 
SOCVR Chatbot, running at nagato v2 docker, version e95004a4 on master, running for 16 seconds (tracking latency 1000ms).
 
If closey gets anymore timeouts in the next hour, please ping me
 
@Closey commands
 
@Adriaan Here is a list of commands you have permission to run:
add [user id] to [group name] - Manually adds a user to the given permission group.
alive - A simple ping command to test if the bot is running.
approve request [#] - Approves a pending permission request.
audit stats - Shows stats about your recorded audits.
commands - Shows this list.
current tag - Get the tag that has the most amount of manageable close queue items from the SEDE query.
help - Prints info about this software.
membership - Shows a list of all permission groups, and the members in those permission groups.
 
6:48 PM
oh, I can add people to Closey? I'll refrain from using that power though
@Closey total reviews today
 
you can, only if a) you are already in that group, and b) you should
 
@Adriaan Sorry, I don't understand that. Maybe you meant reviews today <details>.
@Adriaan Today, 10 members have reviewed a total of 484 items.
 | User                | Review Items Today |
 |------------------------------------------|
 | Jon Clements        | 101                |
 | Adriaan             | 60                 |
 | Andras Deak         | 60                 |
 | Magisch             | 60                 |
 | Tunaki              | 60                 |
 | Ms Yvette ǝʇʇǝʌʎ sW | 57                 |
 | Mogsdad             | 52                 |
 | user2314737         | 20                 |
 | Rizier123           | 9                  |
 
: ) 101
 
Sam
@Clo room effectiveness
 
@Sam 10 members have processed 484 review items today, which accounts for 19.92% of all cv reviews today.
 
6:49 PM
damn, was about to run that
 
@gunr2171 I am way too reckless to give any power beyond mere review tracking. The system giving me CV powers might already be a bit much
 
Sam
Nice
@gunr2171 Well it works.
 
woot
 
Sam
For now...
 
Nice stats
 
6:52 PM
afk
 
!!/lick
 
@Adriaan licks ice cream cone
 
Anyone finding any similarity between stackoverflow.com/tags/turtle/info and stackoverflow.com/tags/turtle-rdf/info tag excerpts?
 
@BhargavRao it's basically the same, besides the formatting and links included
 
@Adriaan "Excerpts" not tag info :)
 
6:59 PM
@BhargavRao then they are exactly the same, with the exclusion of the for graphics use something-else part
 
Yep :P
 
@BhargavRao was this a subversive way of asking for a synonym-approval?
 
Nah, [turtle] will no longer exist in a few days.
So once [turtle] goes away, I'll edit the tag wiki and make it better.
 
Is there a specific reason for not using [tag:name] anywhere? If it's for page loading time, you might want to remove that from closey as well
 
@Closey 20%? Wow. 1 CV reviewer out of 5 is working from here.
 
7:04 PM
@Tunaki Sorry, I don't understand that. Did you mean opt out?
 
@Tunaki I think Closey wants you out
Anyway, off to a birthday party. See ya!
 
Cya
 
@BhargavRao please make it be about turtle
 
@AndrasDeak Yeah sure. :P
 
7:08 PM
;)
 
Sam
@Kyll Have fun
 
afk
 
20k+ please hit the delete queue :)
 
There is a delete queue?
 
Sam
7:19 PM
More waffles
 
7:34 PM
@BhargavRao I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Tunaki How do we recruit the other people who are crazy enough to be reviewing on a weekend?
 
We need more waffles.
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
@BhargavRao I've just pushed 16 questions to the brink.
@Tunaki The answer to everything. Should have remembered...
 
@Mogsdad Nice
 
7:45 PM
rite
 
Bhargav Rao passed a audit!
 
@Tuna Are you bombing NATO?
 
I am
 
NATO will be silent on weekends
 
It's quiet over there yeah.
 
7:50 PM
@BhargavRao You've reviewed 60 posts today (of which 2 were audits), thanks! The time between your first and last review today was 15 minutes and 38 seconds, averaging to a review every 15 seconds.
 
@Clo room effectiveness
 
@BhargavRao 12 members have processed 625 review items today, which accounts for 25.05% of all cv reviews today.
 
Huh. 1 CV reviewer out of 4 now...
 
1 in 4 Reviewer is a SOCVR'er. Time for us to rejoice \o/
 
Considering how gigantic SO is, I can now see why crap overflows. (Sorry to spoil the moment of glory BTW)
 
7:59 PM
Slow day today, I'd rather sleep. Gudnite
Bye all o/
 
user177800
 
Night
 
@Jarrod Edit the ; to :.
 
@JarrodRoberson It is true that with the current wording of the question, it would be off-topic for CodeReview. To be on-topic it would need to focus more on "How can I make my code better" instead of "How can I make my code faster". Nipticks but he.
 
what's the difference really
 
8:14 PM
@Drew I'll pass the word around
 
@Drew A good answer would cover both I agree.
 
@Fred-ii- we ought to be judged on our ability to close the close-worth stuff. Not on the 20% deal laid out in the meta post. So we are swimming upstream.
In any case, PHP has 1000. We need to close 200 pretty fast.
Or beg people not to flag the new stuff for when the clock hits midnite in 29 days. Or edit stuff in the queue to make it vanish. All silly activities at that
@JarrodRoberson I have a hard time thinking someone does that task in python
 
@Drew 10-4
@Drew well this was too an easy close stackoverflow.com/q/36078228 so that can be scratched off ;)
 
What I used to do was go ping those people :p
But we aren't supposed to be that effective
 
and some I already voted on
 
8:27 PM
@Drew Might be worthwhile to add to closey's suggestions for the next while. How does the 1000 there compare to other high-traffic tags, e.g. ?
 
@Mogsdad Java is twice as bad as php (but it has a crew to rally. C++ is not bad but needs recruits). JS I never touched
 
Ugh
 
pp_
@ArtOfCode why
 
@ArtOfCode Why is SmokeDetector running under your account? It appears to run in double here.
 
@Drew Ok, so I'll suggest php anyway, we should be able to help there.
 
8:33 PM
Like with ... @DavidArenburg is now cleaning that up with the help of others. guess what, in 2 days David is rather free. So if we are all given a little patience and latitude we can find we can help each other
 
Out of cv myself for the day, but once restocked I'll hit PHP.
I went after C today, focused on questions with 3 & 4 votes. That was fun.
 
I think we could use some analysis on what the meta post really means, so we can effectively hit that number
 
I was thinking the same. "What outcome will validate the need for more close votes?"
 
Maybe they are saying we are at 8000 to start. We were not at 6400 at the end. You fail. who knows
 
Today's a slow day; the weekends always are. But the fact that Closey has tracked 25% of the day's close votes to us indicates that more votes in the hands of people willing to use them makes a difference. (Most users don't use any.)
 
8:37 PM
One thing we don't do: add stuff to the queue that isn't going to close. That would be insane
1400 questions with CV=1 in java. Why?
Protest votes. queue quagmire.
 
@Drew That.
Maybe not protest votes.
But if 1 user puts a cv on a question that deserves it, but nobody sees it in the queue, it shortly drops out of review.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 34 mins ago, by ArtOfCode
Okay, I was gonna try running on Windows for science, but now I'm wondering if I can make it run at all. To AWS!
 
@Drew I've been seeing the same on cv-pls requests. For the first few days after the first cv, there is a review item in the question's timeline. By the time they are 2 or 3 days old though, that review item is gone. Therefore, those won't show up in the queue for casual closers.
 
In 12 days have the cv-pls script posts to the NULL device
 
Are close and turtle done? I recall @Tunaki called the first one done, what is the status of the other @BhargavRao?
 
8:49 PM
is left with only closed questions. We will need to discuss what to do with those, but there are no more opened questions. We can remove it from SEDE.
 
Only 2 open questions. (One asked today.)
 
Couple of open questions left in [turtle], one of them asked 5 hrs ago.
 
ninja'd!
 
Yep, in phone and on bed :)
 
@BhargavRao The tag excerpt doesn't say "do not use" - hard to blame the user.
 
8:54 PM
@BhargavRao sorry, sleep well
 
Nope, it does say use [turtle-graphics]
@rene NP, was watching 9gag :)
Bye all again o/
 
I've even seen someone in tag a question with as (s)he was trying to model the Fox-and-turtle paradox (and couldn't find a probably)
 
Ah yes, I call that "stream of consciousness" tagging. [help] [me] [with] [c] [please]
@Adriaan Amateur fox, no, but , yes!
 
9:15 PM
@PetterFriberg I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@TylerH Is there new activity? Appears last active 2 years ago.
 
9:28 PM
Petter Friberg passed a audit!
 
@Tunaki a few votes have trickled in over the past two year,s but the last time it was "active" (bumped to the front page) was january 2014
 
Sam
@Clo room effectiveness
 
@Sam 12 members have processed 636 review items today, which accounts for 24.72% of all cv reviews today.
 
oh dear, that means that the rest of SO is doing almost nothing...
 
Sam
Lol
 
9:34 PM
@sam can you add me to closey please
 
@Closey add 1816093 to reviewer
 
@Tunaki I've added @Drew to the Reviewer group.
 
thx
 
Script update: the Smokey reports userscript should work again soon (6-8 something). I'm waiting for @Undo to pull the newest metasmoke build when he's on a decent connection, and then it'll work.
 
@cricket_007 brilliant, 3 answers which say the same thing (i=0 as initialisation always results in a false satetment the first iteration)
@ArtOfCode cewl.
@ArtOfCode any update on the site-relevant posts?
 
9:37 PM
@Adriaan oh yeah, I was gonna do that wasn't I
better start on that now MS is back
 
@Adriaan 4 answers
 
@ArtOfCode you might have waved András off a bit last week, with the current situation. I'd still appreciate it though ;)
 
@Adriaan sure. How are you imagining this? Dropdown to select a site, or what?
 
@ArtOfCode preferably only reports for Q/A on the current SE site. If that's too difficult, I'd appreciate a sort based on SE site (with the current on top if possible)
I am never on other SE sites (except the occasional "Hot Network Post" of Physics), so I don't vote on them either
 
9:40 PM
@Adriaan That's easy enough, but my thinking on that is that on smaller sites you'd never get any reports, but you might want to see them.
 
therefore reports from other SO sites are just clutter to me
@ArtOfCode yea, make it a switch or something
 
@Adriaan oh, so switch between "only current site" and "all sites"?
 
@ArtOfCode that'd be awesome, yes! :D
 
@Adriaan That's easy enough.
Now, we can do this with another metasmoke build, or without.
If I do another build, then you can get more reports to show. If I don't, I'm just sorting the 100 max items I can get.
 
whatever suits you. We're all volunteers here, and complaining about freely available tools is a bit bad of course ;)
 
9:43 PM
@rene I've noticed you've started reviewing! I'll update your session record.
 
@Adriaan Neither's difficult. MS is a bit of Rails, the script is JS. I'm comfortable with both of those, so...
Let's start it off with just sorting what I have.
 
rene passed an audit!
 
@Sam That's incredible, I guess the SOCVR team should get a nice cap from SO
 

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