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5:02 PM
can you hide it?
 
@JohanLarsson no, obviously
 
Trainings?
 
I just wrote a 100+ loc method.
 
Ell
Eh. I forgot how powerless java generics were :/
 
@JohanLarsson Lookup table?
 
5:03 PM
@MartinJames basically passing on what I've managed to learn in the last couple months
 
@BartekBanachewicz Orite:)
 
hehe, crapl
 
@MartinJames Plain ugly, bunch of ifs
 
@JohanLarsson Ewww.. :(
 
5:05 PM
@xordux OMG! Run while you can!
 
Eeeergh, I hate that definition of an algorithm where they talk about the « number of cycles of [...] » without ever defining what a cycle is, which is totally non-obvious ç____ç
 
@JohanLarsson Fine with me assuming it was necessary.
 
@Ell Yeah, got 1/20 on the ML test, but ranked 1st for the DigElectronics/Discrete Maths paper
I hate functional programming
 
Ell
@Columbo nice, I too ranked 1st on discrete maths paper
92% bro ;)
 
@Ell 94% ahaha
 
Ell
5:07 PM
ah feck you :P
 
:D
Well done!
 
Ell
I'm 99% sure I'll come last in engineering maths though
@Columbo you too :)
I am joint 6th with 4 others or sthng in the c/algos/haskell assignments but two haven't been marked yet
 
@Ell Nah, I mean, my Uni isn't that competitive, but getting 1st on Bristol is pretty darn good oO
 
Ell
so maybe I'll come 1st vOv
@Columbo Same to you, even more so with Cambridge
 
@Ell ( I was sarcastic, but thanks! :D)
 
Ell
5:09 PM
lol
thanks >.<
 
Actually, I shouldn't have been, Bristol is pretty high up there
 
Ell
I was wondering how you could say cambridge isn't competitive :V
 
Guess there was no room for sarcasm eitherway
 
Ell
Bristol is where oxbridge failures go :P
For some reason I thought you meant competitive as in within cambridge, not between unis
 
@Ell Not true.
 
Ell
5:10 PM
okay, Durham is where oxbridge failures go
 
@Ell Yeah, within it. Because we're ranked within our course, right?
@Ell Durham is a decent Uni
 
Ell
@Columbo yeah
It is :)
 
uni is where job failures go ho ho ho
 
user406009
Really, you guys have actual ranking within each course in the UK?
 
Ell
Being second to oxbridge is still amazing
 
5:11 PM
@CatPlusPlus Said the guy from Poland
@Lalaland No
That was just some (progress) exam
@Ell You're not "second" to anything, you're in Bristol, be proud
 
Ell
@Columbo Thanks pal :) I am proud
 
@Ell And be thankful for longer terms and less FUCKING SUPERVISION WORK
 
Ell
I will need to resit some exams after summer likely, I didn't do enough work last semester :/
But yeah I'm glad for longer terms
 
@Ell I enjoy shorter ones, actually, gives me more time in Germany
 
Ell
yeah that's fair
 
5:15 PM
But it's exhausting
And that argument doesn't apply to you
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus At least in the US, becoming a professor is actually significantly more difficult than working in industry.
 
user406009
Like order of magnitude more difficult.
 
@Lalaland that seems pretty hard to backup
 
user406009
@Prismatic Many PhDs spend years as low paid postdocs because they are unable to get a tenure track position.
 
I dont see how thats evidence its harder to become a prof than working in industry
 
user406009
5:20 PM
Old (2007) stats indicate that only ~30% of PhDs actually got a faculty position: nature.com/news/2011/110420/pdf/472276a.pdf
 
alright fair enough
I guess its obvious
The number of profs <<<< number of people 'in the industry'
 
user406009
I don't know the figures for how many CS graduates make it into industry.
 
user406009
But I assume it is higher than 30%
 
@Lalaland Becoming a senior engineer at Google is a lot harder than becoming a prof at a lower-ranked state college. Becoming a prof at MT is a lot harder than getting a "dev ops" job at some local company that's not particularly likely to last until the end of the year (not to mention ever getting big).
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I was more talking about comparing the success rates for people trying to get into academia vs the success rates for people trying to get a normal job.
 
5:24 PM
In short, both academia and industry cover such a wide range of possibilities that you can't categorically say either is harder than the other.
 
So, was this already posted for lounge scrutiny:
 
@Lalaland Mostly a question of whether their goals are in line wit their resumes (in both cases). People may fail to obtain the positions they desire more often in academia (possible, but I'm not sure) it seems likely to me that it's related more to inaccurate perceptions of their qualifications than to the jobs being inherently more difficult to obtain. If you graduate top of your class from MIT, Stanford, Cambridge, Oxford, etc., you can pretty much have your choice in either direction.
If you barely graduate from a party college, chances are you're going to have a tough time in either direction.
@sehe First time I've seen it, anyway.
 
@sehe Well, pretty terrible.
But Islamists and Feminists have this in common--they are both absolutists.
Feminists could put Puritans to shame, which is so ironic to me.
 
@sehe i aint clicking that
it seems so controversial
 
5:39 PM
@caps And exploiting a victim role. I haven't watched it to completion. It's one of those tabs that can wait
 
@sehe It's not really necessary to watch it to completion. It plays off stupid tropes of feminists and muslims in a rather offensive manner.
I don't mind comparing and contrasting the two groups, but I'm not a fan of that obnoxious fashion of doing it.
 
@caps I think that's generalizing more than facts support. That said, it's largely true of a lot of the people who make the most noise about being (Islamist | feminist). It also seems true that the most overt members of both groups are unsatisfied with simply living their own lives by the rules they prefer, but instead insist that entire rest of the world must follow their rules as well (and that's what I find most objectionable in both cases).
 
@JerryCoffin Precisely. It's unfair for me to say what I said, I suppose, since I know both Feminists (and maybe also some Muslims) that are not quite so absolutist.
 
@moof2k There you go, finished before dinner, in a hurry: Live On Colirusehe 25 secs ago
Slave drivers :)
@caps Ok. I'm going to still watch it out of sheer discipline
 
oh noes
someone here warned me about expression templates being overly complicated
I just proposed my final project for a class to be expression templates and I realized that what I thought I understood I actually didn't
 
user1804599
5:49 PM
Hello. :)
 
@MadameElyse Hello Ma'am
 
this is a cool image
 
user1804599
@sehe awesome
 
@sehe this is pretty awesome, never saw this style of struct usage
 
user1804599
 
Ell
6:17 PM
EdgeTailEdgeTransformationIterator ahh java is infecting me already
 
uwotm8
 
@Ell -1 Not enough Factory.
 
"Imagine the insane, like-a-boss possibilities you would have!"
 
Could we get a few reopen votes here?
-5
Q: About Sorting String In C++

Md. Sakib HossainHow can I do a stable sort of words in a string based only on the length of each word, so the longest words come first, and the shortest words at the end (but words of the same length retain their original order relative to each other)? For example: Input: sj a sa df r e w f d s a v c x z sd f...

 
@VillasV they're not simple, overcomplicated - that would solely depend on what you're trying to achieve.
 
6:28 PM
@JerryCoffin Well its not a particularly good question. I mean, where is the attempt to solve the problem?
 
@VillasV :v
 
user1804599
> Nude ancient statues covered for the visit of Iran president Hassan Rouhani in Rome
 
@Borgleader Not particularly good, but not particularly terrible either. Oddly, there's no requirement for anybody to post their attempt at solving the problem. Admittedly, a lot of people like to see that, but I don't see anything in the rules requiring (or really even strongly suggesting) that it be included. At the same time, it is at least slightly unusual, and a lot more interesting that the usual "who does my linked list dump core", "why is i+++++++i doing strange things", and such.
 
user1804599
Why would you cover statues
 
because OH NOES NUDITY
 
user1804599
6:32 PM
But the covers are also nude.
 
user1804599
They should be covered too.
 
user1804599
In Perl 6 there's a FatRat.nude method.
 
@MadameElyse Because when you change the costumes on the right statues, you can have the statue pee beer for a day.
 
nude pointers
 
@MadameElyse wat het leuk maakt is dat hij ook echt het type is
 
user1804599
6:34 PM
 
@MadameElyse because you don't want the statues to know the company you're keeping
 
@MadameElyse Maybe it's like covering a bird cage--convinces them it's night so they'll stay quiet (and go to sleep).
 
@JerryCoffin Hmm, I see your point.
It just struck me as a homework/interview question at first
 
@Borgleader Who knows. It might easily be. But in the...murky firmament of Stack Overflow, it shines more brightly than most...
 
user1804599
Today I read "new work order" as "new world order".
 
6:42 PM
old world newer
 
Ell
hmm
 
@milleniumbug operator new, operator newer, operator newest.
 
Xeo
Oh wow. Just checked my budget, and I seem to have managed to not-spend 550 bucks this month. However that happened
 
@Xeo Have you checked through to be sure you paid all your bills?
 
Xeo
Yet-to-be-paid bills are not part of the budgetable money
 
6:51 PM
back to my laptop :<
 
Xeo
Plus 200 I budget every month towards savings
 
@Xeo I was just thinking of "Oh look at all this money I have left that I didn't expect. Hmm...strange...it's almost the same amount as the rent..."
 
Xeo
Rent is deducted at the beginning of the month
so yeah
loads of maniez left
 
Bills should be assigned way before the month even starts
 
Xeo
They are
 
6:53 PM
I have budget filled for half a year in advance these days :v
 
Xeo
I keep mine 2-3 month in advance
Since it's basically "copy values budgeted last month"
 
@Xeo o.O
 
Wow, you are organized.
 
Xeo
I always balance stuff out to 0 at the end of the month, and that leaves me with that 350 bucks (+200 towards savings)
 
6:54 PM
@Xeo knows how to adult
 
I do not budget. I only check balance once in while and then get surprised when I have to pay car insurance. :)
 
Xeo
It would usually be ~150eur
@wilx I got some hobbies that can be rather costly, so yeah, budgeting helps
 
@Xeo Hookers and coke?
 
I buffer in the header, shows me how long non-emergency savings will last
 
I fucked up my budget this month when I paid for my bike and exams :<
well, my savings
 
Xeo
6:56 PM
@CatPlusPlus Where it shows 355 for me? (i.e., "available to budget")
 
I lost 60% of a month's progress
 
@Xeo Yeh
 
@Xeo What tool is this?
 
Xeo
Yeah, I have that and something towards larger "saving goals"
 
YNAB4
 
Xeo
6:56 PM
YNAB
Get it when it's on sale on Steam with 75% off or something
 
There's some new YNAB that's a wubapp I wouldn't recommend
 
Xeo
ew
 
Tony played 2382 hours of YNAB on Steam
 
Xeo
hrhr
> The new YNAB is $5 per month, or $50 per year.
geh
 
@sehe I hope so. I'll try to make a simple linear algebra expression optimizer for the basic operations and see how that will go. Or perhaps you could give me suggestions and directions (still studying the possibility of using Boost.mpl)
BTW @sehe, is this style of function-like structs that much good or I just had a biased piece of code from you?
I mean, you used one struct to encapsulate a function. Ok. Then you used another one just to wrap a few instructions and variables. The second one I didn't see coming, kinda sexy C++ though.
 
7:10 PM
function objects are pretty cool yeah :p
 
Yeah, I use function objects all over the place. Most of them can even be converted to several kinds of function pointers.
That's pretty cool.
Except that g++ ubsan has some false positive with function pointers obtained from lambdas, but still.
 
@Xeo Ironically (or fittingly?) YNAB is the only thing on my wishlist that didnt go on sale during xmas :)
 
@Morwenn any explicit benefit from that or just sugar and coolness?
 
@VillasV You can template over them.
 
sup lounge
 
7:22 PM
@VillasV since you can pass them around by value, you can essentially pass around a set of overloads. Can't really do that with function pointers
 
user1804599
> I have no drugs, just weed.
 
user1804599
A guy really said this to a cop.
 
Xeo
@Borgleader heh
 
The project was small at some point, but small projects are boring.
 
@melak47 never needed that, but it sounds nice indeed
 
7:31 PM
@VillasV say you have a std::tuple<int, float, bool>, and want to std::to_string each of them, and say you have a tuple transform/for_each. transform(tuple, std::to_string) doesn't work, gotta resolve which to_string you mean. transform(tuple, [](auto&&x) { return std::to_string(x); }) no problem
 
It would be fun if that proposal to automagically wrap overload sets was accepted.
 
@Morwenn it started out as a tiny little sorting library...:D
@Morwenn that sounds neat
 
@melak47 Worse: it started as a tiny range sorting algorithm that would simply call sorting networks if given a small array.
 
user1804599
writing type checkers is ez
 
Then I wondered how to make that more generic and went a bit overboard.
 
7:35 PM
a piece of nintendart i.imgur.com/vtDtaA2.jpg
 
@Morwenn and now it supports astral projection and whatnot
 
Nice.
@melak47 Yeah, it allows you to transcend yourself to sort your problems.
 
@melak47 not sure I follow. Why the first one won't work but the second will?
 
> Gliding is now enabled in Central Tyria. Gliding masteries earned in Heart of Thorns will function in allowed Central Tyrian maps
@AngryLettuce
 
@Morwenn So what youre saying is.. size matters
 
7:47 PM
@VillasV std::to_string has a bunch of overloads, so you can't pass the function as a function pointer without resolving to a particular overload
 
@Borgleader in Algorithms, size doesn't matter, what matter is how fast it grows
 
@KhaledKhnifer were talking about projects though
 
@Borgleader screen pls so curious
 
@Borgleader wasn't the project about Sorting?
 
@Borgleader SS plz
 
7:50 PM
@VillasV here's a less contrived example: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/a5ca354fb9d23fb6
 
@Borgleader screeeeeeeeeen
 
A guy submitted a 10+ hours movie about paint drying for review, and today they officially rated it suitable for all ages.
lol
 
@Borgleader shotty borlgeadler pleeease
 
ty
 
7:55 PM
@VillasV I don't know which one you mean. The outer one is a polymorphic function (it's basically a lambda in c++14 but we can't have polymorphic lambdas in c++11 yet).
The inner one is just a RAII helper. A more general approach could be to use BOOST_SCOPE_EXIT or so. I like to use local structs but they're pretty limited (can't be templates or have member templates)
 
he may be an overzealous microsoft intern
 
@JerryCoffin what happened there
 
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fixed font size thingy
 
user1804599
 
7:57 PM
@LucDanton People were asking for a screen shot, so I posted one. Apparently the interest is primarily in the fact that an MS employee was posting a question about C#.
 
@MadameElyse lol
 
user1804599
Typographical masterpiece.
 
user1804599
fap fap fap
 
I guess it’s actually hard to google for T*
 
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7:59 PM
@Shoe what are you doing :p
 
@LucDanton sorta, google drops the asterisk
 

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