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1:00 PM
Indeed.
 
so are you anyone's clone?
 
Ven
@AlexM. downvote him on some bad answer then :P
 
I am my own Clone.
 
Ven
forkbomb-style
 
@Ven I don't think that would have any effect tho
@Ell whose clone is he I'm curious now lol
 
1:02 PM
> 19 reputation
 
I'd like to free up some time to play MC this we
 
Ven
@Ell we use google's fruit for the DI, and that used to produce really insane template error messages, say
@Mr.kbok weeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
@CatPlusPlus I FUCKING TOLD YOU it was a native issue
 
Ell
@Ven meh
why does everyone say clang has better error messages than gcc? :V
I think they're both p good
 
@AlexM. I doubt Cicada has actual sock puppet accounts. He has only ever changed his username and about text in his profile. Cicada has > 20k rep.
 
Ven
1:05 PM
@Ell ah no, it's not related to error messages.
 
@TonyTheLion that's right now that I think of it
 
Ven
it compiled under clang but not gcc with >512 recursion in templates inst.
 
Ell
@Ven what, -ftemplate-depth-1024 ain't good enough for ya? :P
 
@TonyTheLion He used to have one, but mods deleted it
 
@Ven std::integer_sequence in libstdc++ was recently changed to only have logarithmic instantiation depth instead of linear.
Last time I had a template instantiation depth it was with clang++ and not g++ though.
 
Ven
1:09 PM
@Ell it was 2048 for us ;)
 
Ell
so use -ftemplate-depth=2048 :P
 
user1804599
@Ven epic fail:
 
user1804599
> set("a", "b") === set("a Str|b")
True
 
Ven
we did
@MadameElyse yeah, I wish they'd stop doing shit like that
it's incredibly awful
 
Ell
@Ven why didn't it work?
 
user1804599
1:10 PM
 
Ven
@Ell I can't tell, the error message was too big to fit in my terminal :D
 
Ell
still, I doubt MSVC can handle 2048 if gcc can't
 
Ven
@Ell oh, I agree 'bout that :D
@MadameElyse did you even report it?
like, it's broken by design :\
 
user1804599
@Ven a year ago or so
 
Ven
@MadameElyse they rewrote it a few times already
they're still stringifying
 
user1804599
1:15 PM
String comparison isn't an issue.
 
user1804599
It's it being ambiguous that is the issue.
 
Ven
=== isn't string comparison anyway
 
user1804599
It's ObjAt comparison.
 
user1804599
And ObjAts are compared string-wise.
 
Ven
the real problem is:
 my %h; %h{set("a", "b")}++; %h{set("a Str|b")}++; %h.values[0]; # => 2
 
user1804599
1:18 PM
:p
 
@BartekBanachewicz @milleniumbug @Nooble after I finished the snake game, I made this (sprites stolen from the internetz): youtube.com/watch?v=iQBM1Y1bzS4
 
@bitcode nice
 
@BartekBanachewicz hey
void Node:insertNode(char fname[], char lname[], int index, char faculty_name[], int age, char home_town[], Faculty *next){

this->fname = fname;
this->lname = lname;
this->index = index;
this->faculty_name = faculty_name;
this->age = age;
this->home_town = home_town;
this->next = next;

}
i got
error: found ‘:’ in nested-name-specifier, expected ‘::’
error
 
Ven
rekt by compiler.
 
any reason for this ?
 
1:27 PM
@underscore have you tried changing : to ::
 
like you know, the error message tells you to
 
got it
 
Ven
:')
 
sorry typo
 
1:27 PM
I don't even.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz lol nor me
that's so seriously whack
 
anyway my dreams came true
 
Ell
> error found `:` expected `::`
> don't understand
 
my problem magically fixed itself
 
Ven
you got a pony?
ah.
 
1:28 PM
I can develop Hate again
 
Ven
a poney's better than a fixed error
 
except now I don't want to because wind turbine
 
Ven
because errors come back to bite you later, but you can still ride your pony
@BartekBanachewicz wind-turbine is a better project name than hate anyway
 
no! :<
Hate is the bestest name
 
Ven
Haskell is the best name.
... Right after "sparkly Bjarne".
 
1:29 PM
Why does this not compile? -->
#include <random>
std::mt19937 engine( std::random_device()() );
 
too many parens
 
Ven
Because you touch yourself at night.
 
lol Ven's on a roll today
 
@MadameElyse 2GB becuase that's the minimum required to run the minecraft server?
 
At fist I couldn't make sense of the error message the compiler gives: error: function cannot return function type 'std::random_device ()' Then I realized that it must be interpreting it as a function declaration, btu I don't quite understand how
 
Ven
1:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz idk what's happening today, people just pop, ask a question then leave
 
@BartekBanachewicz pastebin.com/VXNYpqVQ
 
@Szabolcs Please don't flag messages like that
Thanks
 
can you help me? @BartekBanachewicz
 
Ven
@Shoe I got flagged? :P
You're not angry anymore, btw?
 
@Shoe The offensive flag is exactly for messages like that.
 
Ven
1:33 PM
good, good. let the hate flow through you.
 
@Szabolcs Grow a thicker skin, thanks
 
@Ven "today"
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz they usually just get pointed to the rules or something else
 
@underscore not unless you fix the indentation. Install Astyle, run it over the code and then show it to people.
 
@Szabolcs I think you'll fit nicely in here

C++

A room for questions about and discussions of C++ and related ...
 
1:35 PM
hahhahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz pastebin.com/VyQR7S2L
already installed astyle
 
in C++, 2 days ago, by Bryan Edds
I think behavior in lounge has improved somewhat with the presence of this room.
lol
We are very scared that that room will grow more popular than the lounge, so we "improved".
Yeah right
 
Ven
@Shoe Let people be happy about what they want ;-).
 
user406009
@Shoe I still find it hilarious that he is still trying to work on that room solely because he disapproves of the Lounge's behavior.
 
@Lalaland Reminds you of anybody else?
 
user406009
1:37 PM
@Shoe Of course.
 
user406009
But my "Lounge<C++> with Blackjack and Hookers" rebellion room was much better.
 
user406009
@Shoe Wow, didn't know about that one.
 
LRiO has been "improving" the lounge for 7 months and counting
You can browse the contents day by day here: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/78515/2016/1/15
 
Ven
meh people hating on LRiO.
He's never done anything to me :/
 
I'm not hating on him
When'll be back I'll be waiting for him with open arms
 
Ven
1:41 PM
When'll be back in a long time, though, it seems.
 
We all know the only way to escape the lounge is to die
 
Ven
I escaped reddit, imgur, osu! and WoW. I can bore boredom itself.
 
I escaped osu! when I installed it
 
@Ven What youre saying is "because I dont have a reason to hate him, no one else does."
 
Ven
@Borgleader no, it was rather a "admittedly, he didn't..."
 
@underscore configure it to remove redundant whitespace as well
now why is this reimplementing a bad linked list
what's the point
this is not how you do it in C++
 
@Szabolcs Replace std::random_device()() with std::random_device{}()
 
do you have a simple code ?
 
@underscore 0x100
Well, it's a flag, but you get the point
 
@Shoe wow that's a sad, lonely protest room
inactive for the last three days
 
1:50 PM
So I've started a match in hardcore mode on Minecraft 1.9 and died 2 times within 10 minutes
The game has gotten so much more difficult :C
 
Try not dying
Helped me when I was playing Minceraft
 
I'm sure he hasn't thought of that. What an excellent suggestion.
 
I think it would be much fun to play one hardcore game together
We would probably live for at least 1 hour
/cc @MadameElyse :)
 
I survive hard minecraft by grabbing as much food and seeds as I can and as many saplings as I reasonably can, and then making an underground kingdom where no mob can ever spawn.
IOW I play the boring way
 
Imma try again
 
1:55 PM
@jaggedSpire I wanna play minecraft again now...
 
Terraria is hilarious because if you just do things for long enough, you'll get to the point where a boss will just spawn on top of you.
 
@jaggedSpire And you instasmoke its bitch-ass
 
I had no idea that HP were a prereq to summoning The Eye of Cthulhu, so I got as many as I pleased, and was just merrily wandering around in the caves when the spawn countdown began
@набиячлэвэлиь it wasn't insta-smoking, but yes, I cut it so hard it fled into the night
@Borgleader <3
I've most recently played with a minimal modpack of Tinker's Construct and Thaumcraft.
and Mystcraft
At any rate, it's time to go to work. Toodles!
 
@milleniumbug Thanks!
 
guys
char a[20];
a = "foo";   // error
why this produce an error >
 
2:03 PM
are u coming from java?
 
nope
 
@Shoe And a sniper on the nearest roof
 
php
but
int main ()
{
   char greeting[6] = "Hello";

   cout << "Greeting message: ";
   cout << greeting << endl;

   return 0;
}
this is not getting an error
 
@underscore you can't assign const char * to char[20], obviously
@underscore assignment != initialization
 
why dont you use std::string? @underscore
 
user1804599
2:04 PM
@Shoe No.
 
@underscore There's a special rule in The International Standard to permit that
 
user1804599
@Shoe No.
 
user1804599
I don't know.
 

C++

A room for questions about and discussions of C++ and related ...
 
user1804599
I didn't plan to use it for MC initially.
 
2:05 PM
@набиячлэвэлиь initialization mean char greeting[6] = "Hello";
right ?
assignment mean a = "foo"; // error
right ?
 
Jul 6 '14 at 18:58, by Borgleader
@AaronKyleKilleen Public service announcement
@underscore yes
 
why is that unequal ?
 
1 min ago, by набиячлэвэлиь
@underscore There's a special rule in The International Standard to permit that
 
So
struct Faculty{

  char fname[6];

}
 
@underscore Seriously, go to The C++ room. And read the rules for this one
 
Ven
2:07 PM
maybe I should install MC again
 
nobody there
@набиячлэвэлиь So how can i set struct char array
 
STD::STRING
 
Jan 30 '15 at 2:30, by Borgleader
"Hi I have a question about my retirement fund"
"Sir this is a convenience store..."
"I know but it's the only thing open at this hour"
 
evening
 
Ven
2:11 PM
ahoy
 
@jaggedSpire ttyl
 
@Ell He's already over at the C++ room, no worries
 
Ell
@набиячлэвэлиь okay coolio
it never used to bother me
but now I get irked by these people
 
2:27 PM
> I like the part at 6:48:32
We have a new hearing aptitude test /cc @BartekBanachewicz @JerryCoffin @ElimGarak maybe @Morwenn
@Shoe wp
https://t.co/ZBGsMkyNDU
What a tease for Pratchett fans /cc @sbi @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
Still the best thing on the interent
 
Ell
@sehe interesting o.O
 
Ell
 
Vulkan’s strengths lie in the explicit control and multi-threading capabilities that by design allow us to push more commands to the GPU in less CPU time and have finer-grained cost control. doing everything DirectX 12 has been doing for the past 2 years at studios around the world. OpenGL, however, continues to provide easier to use access to the hardware. do the same DirectX 10 has been doing since 2006 in 2016.
I made my first 2015 to 2016 booboo.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak hey mayn vulkan was doing it before dx 12 ;)
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Yeah, but cross platform and open standards!
 
user406009
(Things game developers don't care about)
 
This is a list of upcoming games that support DirectX 12, available for Windows 10. Information regarding developer, publisher, date of release and genre is provided where available. == Released games == == Upcoming games == == See also == DirectX List of games with DirectX 10 support List of games with DirectX 11 support List of games with XInput support Lists of video games == References... ==
 
Ven
2:51 PM
"How can I learn C++? I need to proofread some C++ code for next month" Oh common.
What the fuck are you doing.
 
Ell
@Lalaland I'm sure all the windows 7 users will care :P
 
slight exaggeration
 
@Mr.kbok Those are the only ones that are currently announced. There has been 1000 people from worldwide studios in the developer program. Just wait. :P
 
user406009
 
ok :)
 
Ven
2:53 PM
@Lalaland Seriously, though, which book should I recommend? Bjarne's "The c++ programming language"?
 
Ell
@ElimGarak do you know why mantle wasn't used more at the time?
 
user406009
@Ell Wasn't Mantle never fully released?
 
user406009
Let alone the AMD only thing about it.
 
@Ell AMD only and their market share was only 18%. You need to convince the suits it's a worthy time investment.
 
Ell
I think it was released. I know battlefield 3 uses it
@ElimGarak oh yeah single vendor only
 
user406009
2:55 PM
@ElimGarak People love NVIDIA's proprietary junk though.
 
i'll make a directx12 snake game
 
@Ven Just give them a COBOL book.
 
@Lalaland Nvidia likes to give kickbacks to developers, attention, contracts, etc. :D
And there's the dominating market share. :(
I remember a dude from Rockstar San Diego mentioning their future games will provide dual support for Direct3D11 and Direct3D12, which basically means D3D12 will not be properly used until the suits decide that D3D11 is no longer relevant.
 
Why's Visual Studio installer so slow?
 
Ven
@Morwenn I alreayd did :v
 
2:56 PM
Oh.
@AnastasiaDunbar You're lucky (are you?) when it actually installs Visual Studio.
 
I'm uninstalling it.
 
Ven
@Morwenn but I mean, for real, is Bjarne's book, coming from C, a "good" book to learn the basics of C++, without the "c-with-classes" part
 
San Diego developed Red Dead Redemption and the tech that is behind Max Payne 3 and GTA V (RAGE). Hence, they're the studio behind the engine of Grand Theft Auto VI.
 
I switch to community version. If you don't mind.
 
@Ven No idea, I never read an actual C++ book.
 
Ven
2:58 PM
@Morwenn I just finished Effective Modern C++, it was fun :P.
Thanks anyway
 
If Apple were to support Vulkan, that would be nice. Fucking Metal and ObjC. Vulkan is cool, but has an uphill battle in front of it.
 
Ell
@ElimGarak I'm p sure they won't
I mean, they are on the khronos board but have metal vOv
 
Guys
pastebin.com/KH0gjD79
need a help
how can i set pointer variable to the insertNode function ?
 
Ell
@ElimGarak as long as I can use it I don't care tbh :V
 
user406009
@ElimGarak Fuck Apple and their anti-competitive behavior.
 
Ven
2:59 PM
I'm not sure if bjarne's book is good for a non-C++ programmer?
 

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