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15:00
and this MilkyWay tastes subtly of cloves
@Squiggle wasnt winforms the root of all evil
ooh! yes. I should organise a movie evening
@AlexL can there not be more than one?
@ton.yeung yep - same as chewing cloves
@Squiggle No THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!!
oh god that makes it a static
that reminds me. I need to watch Highlander again.
or a singleton
15:03
@AlexL a singleton, right?
@Squiggle so the root of all evil is winforms implemented using only singletons programed in eclipse and stored in TFS
HULLO
Dentist says I'm not gonna die.
that black spot was just some pepper?
@Sippy u know, doctors always say that to cancer patients
I've seen enough xrays of my insides to know that the ones I saw showed no cancer so that's cool.
15:17
@AlexL with the entire application implemented in a single "Utils.cs" class
inedo.com/proget <--has anyone used ProGet?
if my code base really requires that many package management system, i got some bigger problem to solve
@tweray we've got 20 devs and a corporate "you're not allowed to just grab shit from NuGet/npm" policy
@Squiggle what a boring policy
I love it when 20 devs fill a project with crap
@Sippy welcome to Enterprise!
wait ..
xD
15:21
Guys should that work? I found someone using this in old code
$("#SomeComboBox").data("kendoComboBox")._selectedValue
It is not working? should it?
if it isn't working, it probably shouldn't
It works if i replace it with $("#SomeComboBox").data("kendoComboBox").value()
then do it in the working way
But why would he check in this
_selectedValue seems like an arbitrary property
!!womm
Should I fire that developer for checking in that code?
You really are irritating.
no, make him give live presentation...
I find it hard to believe anyone would ever put you in a position of responsibility.
15:26
lol
Life is sooo much more fun when you are a jerk
if you're seriously asking @Obviously, why not ask the dev what he was doing?
@NicolásCarlo That is rude
I will prefer to fire him and then be rude to that poor soul
right, i'm so glad i work on a contract basis.
wait screwing up his WHOLE life is not being rude..
Well no that is being a Dick
Lol
Big strong manly jerk on the internet huh
So inspiring
15:30
Windows
Wat r u doin
Windows
Stahp
HAMMAHTIME!
don't restart in the middle of a work day
angularjs tutorial on codeacademy is pretty good
gotta install lunix on my pc when i get home
pity AngularJS is so crap
15:32
so... if you do consultant on oracle's product, you need to pay ransom to oracle even you didn't get any support from them?
j/k it's awesome, just really verbose
>lunix
linux*
gaiz gots instl lunix
thank fuck I'm running an SSD
Wow man
What a fucking lyric.
"You aren't from Kingston, you are Jafakein"
So one of the developer in my taam came with this idea that instead of letting users upload excel sheets into our application and then we process it, we should let the user open the excel sheet, do their work and upload the changes through excel web apps? Do you guys think its a good idea?
Like isnt it too fancy for an enterprise level application?
15:41
Are you a junior?
Or a dinosaur?
@Sippy whats your problem bruh? why all personal?
Do you know how to figure out which option you should pick?
Your question does not makes sense
Yeah it does.
How do you expect us to answer your question without knowing your userbase?
lol it does not
There is a thing called experience
15:44
In my experience it depends on the userbase.
experience <> mind reading across internet
I'm finally on git for my company and we're using source tree. I'm starting to hate it
It's slow and hard to use
So user base is 100+ internal employees
I'm used to kiln
:(
I mean tortoisehg
15:45
@Obviously You totally missed the point.
@Obviously Excel integration is tricky, but pretty widely used.
Are your users idiots, or are they excel powerhouse wizards?
@Squiggle Yeah that is what I wanted to know
Like if its widely used
@ton.yeung Only the best software doesn't explode :O
kiln and tortoisehg are great @ton.yeung
I'm currently using sourcetree without kiln or tortoisehg and it's a pain
Any sourcetree users out there?
15:46
@ton.yeung I missed a message.
@Obviously big question is, are these users technical? You'll have to impose constraints on how they use Excel. I've seen this approach used by economists etc. but if they just want to use Excel for data entry then I'd suggest you avoid it.
^
That's what I was getting at.
If your users aren't gonna be able to use the solution you designed, it would be a bad solution.
is git extensions better?
Regardless of how perfect it is.
or, to paraphrase @Sippy, "It depends. You need to make your own technical decision"
15:47
I think I might give up on source tree and use command line :S
And is it true that git typically has separate branches for features and not developers?
I'm running windows
Anyway time to go repurpose a hack that was badly spec'd for something else which isn't spec'd
They are basically data entry operators
I love this place
They know how to use excel
But nothing pro
@Obviously I'd suggest asking them before you make a decision.
You might get a resounding "We like uploading spreadsheets."
15:49
@ton.yeung, wow okay. So then there will be a lot of branches if a lot of features
isn't that chaotic?
Is git extensions a nuget package I can get?
No because you close the branch after it gets merged.
@KalaJ no, it's a VS extension... that's not nuget's job
ahh ok cool, so I can use it natively from VS?
I'll look into it. Source tree is really slow compared to tortoisehg (more lightweight and user friendly). It looks like git extensions is similar and lightweight
You using Git or GitHub?
git
15:51
Ah
Never used Git in VS before but I think it has support
all our software is NDA, never use github
tickets... we track with polarion
management softawre
I need to learn git and sourcetree or some other software for git asap
any good sources for git
Is git extensions purely git or github?
cool, thanks!
great, thank you!
haha
using the GIT for windows, I can never add a repo from it have to download it then unpack it and point it to it
looooonch
16:07
guys
I'm installing git for windows and it says, use git from git bash or git from the windows command prompt
what is git bash?
why not command prompt?
what's the difference?
how do I enter git bash?
ok
what about the line endings stuff?
windows-style?
ok lol
be that user, Next -> Next-> NEXT->
How do I get to git bash
the git comand still doesn't work
I have an existing repo that I want to use git with
ohh okay
then git bash here
@ton.yeung or just use the commandline
I'm using git bash... ton said no command line
16:12
and git is not environmentally setup
so I can't use the command prompt
a gui is fine, IMO
Always useful to know the commands though
yup yup cool
@ton.yeung bash syntax, more correctly
now if I want to pull in new changes from another branch
is it just git pull (other branch directory)?
@KalaJ pull is for getting changes from another repo
merge is for getting changes from a branch
16:14
lol okay
I started to watch it but I got lost because I didn't have git command line tools
also, "branch directory" is a nonsensical term
I tend to think branch and repo are the same thing shocker
are they not? :S
not even close
one repo can have many branches
A branch, at its core, is just a pointer to a commit
ah gotcha. Thanks guys :)
I will lol :)
16:20
@NicolásCarlo, great version for dummies yay! :)
@KalaJ ;)
I'm back. Long meeting on more integrations
They sell REO/RE Banking software
Its sold as a configurable core
@ton.yeung, lol no
lol why?
Come to the East side :)
@ton.yeung you buy the application and then you build custom processes for handling real estate transactions such as escrow, title, abstract servicer etc.
16:25
Aww, it's cool here, I promise.
But before then, you have to retain a consultant who is a subject expert in the software; similar to the consultant model IBM used for ERP/CRM
The consult is not a developer
But they charge $10/k to come in and review your business process and train an admin
Then $3-$5K/month under a 3 month contract
for training and support
Then you buy the actual software from the company who developed it
Personally I do a lot of. As a dev I spend maybe 20-30% of my time writing code
The rest of my time is in meetings, planning, researching
SME? Small and Medium Enterprise?
My title is developer
But I spend a lot of time trying to make sure things are done right
Too many people as one colleague puts it, go set ready
not ready set go
And it always comes back to bite them later
So I try to force some planning and thinking of the problem before just cranking out software
Because I hate redundancy
The less I have to go back and fix someone elses code or open bloated files done wrong the better
16:31
@Alex yeah I try to do that...it works for a day and then we're back to "GIMME SOFTWAREZ TO LOOK AT" crap
The last person they had wrote 20,000 line files
and no comments, no nothing
But we have all of these custom integrations
and thats what this expensive software is; another integration designed to help facilitate compliance with law and improve processes
Well from the company's point of view they want to take this software and rip out parts of it
We have a custom system built in house, mind you before my time and its crappy. But they want to take this company's system and integrate with basic parts of it, then put their specialty features on top of it
@ton.yeung what do you mean anticorruption layer and will I be your SME
@ton.yeung you want to build some things, I have a side venture I'm working on and need someone to co-develop with
Sounds good
@ton.yeung You ok?
Your internet chatroom bros gotcha back :P
yeah
I love watching them go
I imagine them as internet entities being dropkicked.
Mods will get an alert soon
Boltclock gonna appear on his rainbow pony.
16:48
Flash, what an utter piece of shit
6
Lol
When are Adobe just gonna give up on it
@KendallFrey Saviour of the universe or the Adobe kind?
Rofl
It seems like they have, the way their update works
or rather doesn't
Flash_Updates.jpg
16:50
like holy shit how bad do you have to be at writing sofware
download installer, run, install fails, installer file disappears, back to step 1
@KendallFrey u know, ppl in adobe drink scotch instead of beer
in adobe, you don't install flash, flash install you!
I give up
I lost interest with adobe after their failed performance for mobile support with flash
I refuse to deal with software that can't be updated without uninstalling
and when they did a number on the flex builder
16:54
I refuse to deal with software that deletes its own installer
Very malwarey

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