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7:01 PM
sounds good
I'm gonna go cook then
 
s/oo/oc/
@Gizmo Install Gentoo
 
@набиячлевэлиь nope, the only linux I have is debian, minimalistic with only a console and gcc and google test and google mock
 
and that's it
 
@ElimGarak thank you i solved my problem with ur tip
 
7:08 PM
and the only reason I have that linux because sometimes I need to write C++98 code
and ofcourse VS doesn't enforce any ANSI standard, no options for it too
and if you do it with clang, well, guess what? The vs includes aren't C++98 compliant
which was to be expected
 
Guessing is strictly prohibited in the Lounge.
 
By a decree of The High Council
 
@ElimGarak well then you have to ban everyone I guess.
 
So, did Telkitty finally leave or am I dreaming?
 
7:13 PM
California dreamin'
 
I guess I fixed it
yay.
well like for 50%
 
5 mins ago, by Elim Garak
Guessing is strictly prohibited in the Lounge.
 
release works debug not ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
YOU ARE HEREBY EXPELLED FROM THE LOUNGE!
 
@набиячлевэлиь Hereby are you all I guess
 
7:21 PM
Well, we expelled DeadMG and replaced him with Puppy. Als, too. IntermediateHac, as well. Tony the Tiger, expelled. Robot is merely telling people not to guess.
 
we also got rid of that fuckwit Domagoj
 
Yeah, that fucking donkey cocksucker.
 
I well recall the exact instance of donkey cock sucking that lead to that nickname.
 
Good times. Also, where is daknok? :( 1089 days and counting.
 
wanted to report the bug and it's already reported, good
 
7:26 PM
Snitch.
 
Romance in One Piece, that's a first :D
 
user1804599
One Piece of Shit.
 
user1804599
wan pies
 
American pie
 
7:28 PM
obi-wan pie
 
I feel almost sane since hanging out here and seeing some of the chat :p
 
> >The Lounge
> >sane
 
What does '' do in vim ? ( two single double quoutes )
 
user1804599
depends
 
7:42 PM
I guess I just don't understand what a single single quote does
 

Vim

Let's talk about the greatest text-editor
 
@набиячлевэлиь "This room has been automatically frozen for inactivity"
 
:help ''
It's not that hard
 
woha
Off course
 
@CatPlusPlus About the same as creating the account.
 
7:58 PM
@ElimGarak I'm not Canadian.
 
But you are in Montreal, right?
 
Yes, but that's not in Canada. It's in Quebec.
 
Ah, you're a Quebec sovereignist, IIRC. :P
 
a filthy Quebecian
 
8:03 PM
Half man, half bear, half maple syrup
 
Now that ad blockers on iOS 9 are out and working so well, all of the single girls in my area have left.
 
French Canada: The Movie
 
@ElimGarak Old lame joek
 
I live under a rock.
 
> Mon pays, ce n'est pas un pays : c'est l'hiver.
 
user1804599
8:04 PM
@TonyTheLion starring this is racist
 
@elyse you are racist
 
The joke is that they all left because they saw him using iOS
 
racists are racist
 
@TonyTheLion It's funny when people almost get stabbed to death by mirrors yes
 
@TonyTheLion His head scarf protected him
 
user1804599
8:07 PM
@ElimGarak I live under a cock.
 
Old, too?
 
@ElimGarak As fuck
 
Oh, come on! :(
 
@ElimGarak yes
 
@ElimGarak Nothing is funny anymore, become one of the Katt-kin to survive
 
8:09 PM
@elyse get real
 
user1804599
@sehe be rational
 
Lord of the flies is so damn entertaining. As long as it's in pictures and safely on tele.
And it's soooo fine to sit there and fucking judge.
 
user1804599
Lord of the Flies
 
user1804599
my English teacher talked about that once
 
I love to judge fucking.
@I_Love_Atheism Because he disassembled & reassembled a clock (which is fine) & then claimed it was his "invention" (which is fraud).
Dawkins going overboard.
 
user1804599
8:14 PM
@ElimGarak why?
 
user1804599
Dawkins is a hero.
 
I honestly don't understand why Dawkins is so hellbent on destroying this kid.
 
The kid claimed that the clock was his invention, according to Dawkins. But that's just the kid not having enough of a vocabulary, probably.
 
Dawkins is a bit of a dick.
 
8:17 PM
What I can argue is that you must be aware of your image in the 21st century. And I question the kid's decision to build something that has wires sticking out along with a clock... And then bring it to school.
 
I completely disagree
it shows a massive bias on the part of the educators to simply assume that it's explosive-related.
 
He does seem to be slowly backtracking on Twitter, though.
 
Well, it shouldn't be like that, but it kinda is like that. Kid could've gotten hurt unnecessarily.
 
the only reason he could have gotten hurt unnecessarily is because they're over-eager to hurt people unnecessarily.
 
@ElimGarak he recognized that later and sorta apologizes that, explaining why he cares
@EtiennedeMartel he isn't. geez. You clearly didn't pay attention
 
8:19 PM
@sehe I saw a few tweets, got puzzled, wrote about it here, then went to read his Twitter feed and realized it's not so cut and dried.
I guess I spoke too soon.
 
It seems Dawkins is more concerned that the kid said "... invention ..."
 
I still think he's a dick.
 
@ElimGarak He just shows that all the intelligence in the world can't fix misinformation and biased media. That's an important message
 
Which, really, is kinda forgivable, honestly. That's an issue of vocabulary, not the kid trying to claim he invented clocks.
 
If it had been a bomb and people didn't do what they did, then the public view would be the opposite.
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8:20 PM
@EtiennedeMartel ok
 
I'm surprised he's arguing without actually knowing the full story.
His recent tweets about it are like "nvm I'm wrong I didn't read everything"
Alrighty.
 
it's about the misleading going on. First the media scrambles to defend the kid because he's a nerd that makes invention and should be encouraged.
Now, things turn out to be much more messy and - at the very least - not so "holy" and encouragable. He's sorta obliged to change his stance publicly too
@Rapptz Yup. That's the real lesson here. Not even dawkins is immune to group think under the right misinformation.
 
There was a development that made things "more messy"?
I'd better get digging.
 
user1804599
Note: a clock is only part of a timed bomb!
 
I'm not putting down the child. I'm putting down myself & the rest of us for being fooled. And the police for arresting him for nothing.
 
8:23 PM
@ElimGarak That's what I think too
 
@ThePhD It's not hard to find on that feed
 
Oh. So he didn't actually construct the clock from scratch.
He just reassembled it inside of his pencilbox.
 
Oh, gawd.
 
That's not the worst offense.
 
It isn't. But it's less of a "OMG he's just a child genius proud of his work".
In all likelihood he made a prank bomb suitcase on purpose.
Nothing that warrants an arrest IMO, but a good cautionary talk from the head master would be in order
 
8:27 PM
People these days love to see racism everywhere
 
Brilliant observations
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ s/these days// s/racism/controversy/
It's an instinctive thing. The worst emotions - from toddler age on - come from perceived unfairness
 
So who wants to name my autodoc project?
 
user1804599
bukkakedoc
 
user1804599
phdoc
 
People become pretty irrational when angry. So, it's only logical that huge aberrations occur in everyday news, politics, watercooler talk, etc.
 
8:30 PM
@sehe I am surprised at his solid understanding of how the Universe works, within the confines of our current knowledge set.
 
@Rapptz raptors
 
@sehe You agree with this?
 
I think he was with the Air Force early on. But was discharged or something.
 
@ElimGarak well. You know. It's not that hard. What's surprising is that he doesn't paper over the stuff that hurts our human sense of supremacy
 
I laugh at people arguing that money and possessions are evil
 
8:32 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ I said he made brilliant observations.
> I don't have a stake in this; I'm not cheerleading for any particular outcome
 
WE ARE ALL SLAVES OF DOLLARAS
 
People are evil or not, money just allows them to broadcast that.
 
Money are just a tool
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Who said this.
It's sad that/because for many people it replaces any ideology at all
Case in point:
Out of the blue BAM! A financeinstitution produces a an in-depth analysis of diet science, and fat specifically. https://www.reddit.com/r/ketoscience/comments/3ljm1w/credit_suisse_fat_the_new_health_paradigm/
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ USA!USA!USA!
 
8:33 PM
> We had gifts, and we gave it all up for money and god.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ wut
 
God is good for some people, money is a non-inherently-evil tool.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it's a stance, you know.
 
It's a terrible stance, if you ask me (inb4 I didn't ask you).
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ what does that first part of the sentence mean?
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ don't listen to him!
 
8:35 PM
That God may give hope to those that can't live thinking this life means nothing
And honestly, I can't blame them.
 
Who exactly made God a thing here? Certainly not G. Carlin
 
> Saturated fat has not been a driver of obesity: fat does not make you fat. At current levels of consumption the most likely culprit behind growing obesity level of the world population is carbohydrates.
 
It's fucking awful to realize this is all for nothing and that you are nothing.
 
Was this really a thing people thought?
"There's no way all this sugar etc. etc. can make me fat."
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ except: it doesn't need to be. That's where the ideals come in.
 
8:36 PM
@sehe He brought it up with that quote, but it was more of a rant against those atheists that go around mocking religious people because they all sheeple or whatever.
 
Just don't get grandiose/megalomaniacal and equate human extinction with the end of the universe
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ which one? (the quote)
3 mins ago, by ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ
> We had gifts, and we gave it all up for money and god.
ah
 
@sehe Ideals don't matter. This universe could disappear any moment. Earth could be destroyed any moment. Gravity could stop any moment.
 
I think he's merely giving two sample of irrational guides
 
What tells you you are not merely inventing this reality because you are really God and you feel lonely.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ It's highly unlikely though and to dismiss that is - objectively - ridiculous
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ because you are mixing levels of meta in your own sentence. Get more rigor first, then get clever
 
8:38 PM
Don't mind me, I'm just ranting.
 
So, who says we're not inventing reality?
No one, actually.
 
I'm sick and tired of people looking down on "those dumb evil people".
"People are dumb".
 
Yeah. Well. I don't think he does that
 
"Cops are power hungry"
"White people are racist"
"Justin Bieber is literally Hitler"
Can they even listen to this
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ it's a fact. It's just that most often it's said to mean "I'm better". Cue mandatory XKCD again
 
8:40 PM
Haven't you heard? White heterosexual males are Satan incarnate.
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@sehe ikr
 
People are dumb. At least by our own standards
 
All people need to do is calm down, hold hands and be dumb together.
 
And then you say, "Hey, maybe cops are really racist. Weird. Let's see what happens here..." and then you sit down and watch a black dude resisting arrest and not complying to what the cops say and getting arrested.
 
Being smart would at least require the ability to make effective choices and have leadership that actually achieves common goals
 
8:42 PM
And then you read the comments, and they are all "Fucking kill all those pigs", or "Fuck the police", or "He didn't do anything".
 
I wanted to be a cop. Matter of fact, I still fancy the idea.
 
This shit just depresses me.
 
@ElimGarak But then, you became a porngrammar
 
People jumping on everything that get. Every chance of spewing "Kill the witch!!!"
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ yup, it's human nature though. we like to find things to separate us
 
8:43 PM
Well. The evidence is overwhelming. In some isolated centres of statistics.
There's really no arguing.
What's more important, though, is that (obviously) the vaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of cops are (very) good people.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ You're doing it too
 
@ʞɔᴉN I'm not sure if that's what we like...
 
you're right I like pizza
 
@ElimGarak if you can be as awesome at policing than you are at CG, then you can be kung fury
 
@sehe I'm not saying kill nobody.
 
...
Gosh.
Way to escape by being overly literal when it's convenient
 
8:44 PM
I say, see the bigger picture. See what else might be true. Maybe you don't have all the facts.
 
posted on September 20, 2015 by Eric Battalio

Are you in town to attend CppCon this week? It's going to be an exciting week in C++ and especially exciting for the Visual C++ team! We've got a dozen talks scheduled that discuss everything from the ideas we're proposing to help move the language forward...(read more)

 
perhaps "like" was the wrong word but I think you get what I'm saying. people are insecure
 
@Feeds I hope the talks will be good this year.
 
"Visual C++: How we managed to ship broken everything for more than anyone else"
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ In the bigger picture, everyone making any type of bold statement that makes you reflect on the world as a whole is the witch for you!
 
8:45 PM
by Herb Sutter
 
@sehe No, the difference is that I have proof that some account wrote "Kill those pigs" and I'm going against them for not considering that maybe what they are watching/reading is not all.
 
Chandler-san save us!
 
"YOU AGREE WITH THIS?!" (kill the witch!)
 
That's not the kind of error I'm making here.
 
So what kind of error is it
 
8:45 PM
@Borgleader Chandler won't be able to save us from VC++.
Nobody can.
 
The local law enforcement here is, unfortunately, composed out of people who had burned every other bridge in their life. Basically, they fail at school and a career in law enforcement is all they have left.
 
@sehe No error that I can see.
Otherwise I wouldn't probably be writing it, if I thought it was incorrect.
 
...
Because you don't make mistakes. Makes sense
 
@ThePhD He could save the conference by making really good talks like he usually does.
 
Oh boi, I do make mistakes.
Who on earth would ever claim they don't make mistakes.
That's not a position you can possibly defend.
 
8:47 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Deities, and Cat
 
It's like argumentation-suicide
 
Well, otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.
 
Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong.
Sometimes I think I'm right and then change idea and sometimes I don't.
Right now, I think I'm right.
 
Who cares. I'm probably never right. And if I am, only by chance. And likely not when I want to be.
 
WTB static_if
 
8:48 PM
The only thing we can hope to have is honest and rational discussion.
Exchange ideas. Sharpen thoughts.
You don't discuss to get more right. You do it to understand more.
 
Making mistakes is fine. Owning your mistakes is what defines you.
 
Do you think I'm missing some informations on those people that claim that cops should die? Hey, maybe I'm not considering that they are saying that metaphorically. That's true. Maybe it's really just one guy spamming that shit with different accounts. That's also possible.
What else am I missing?
Maybe they are just trolls.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Of course not. But limiting the whole discussion to that part is fruitless.
 
Hey, maybe I'm really missing context here too.
 
6 mins ago, by sehe
Well. The evidence is overwhelming. In some isolated centres of statistics.
There's really no arguing.
6 mins ago, by sehe
What's more important, though, is that (obviously) the vaaaaaaaaaaaaast majority of cops are (very) good people.
^
 
8:50 PM
You know, I think that that "Don't judge too early" should be applied here too.
Maybe I should just shut up then.
 
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I've been watching Dawkins arguing videos for the past hour lol.
 
Shit, LRiO came up with that. Nope.
 
@sehe The evidence is so overwhelming of what exactly?
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Or be less linear :) That would remove any objection for me
 
@sehe dunno about very good people but I'd say most people sign up to be a cop with good intentions in mind
 
8:51 PM
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ see the arrows
 
@ʞɔᴉN The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
 
I'm seeing arrows
 
@ElimGarak crap I didn't see
 
I'm asking for confirmation on what you mean, because it's not clear from the context of the messages per se.
 
@ElimGarak it's easy to forget where you started. after a while, everything becomes just a job
 
8:52 PM
Oh I'm willing to go a lot further than that.
I truly believe that even the school leadership that had Ahmed arrested was well-intentional. And are likely good people (same goes for Ahmed).
It's just people get upset and cramped whenever fear strikes
 
Are you claiming that "Black people are more likely to get arrested than white people" implies "(Some) cops are racist"?
Because from those statistics I can form all sort of conclusions other than that.
 
It would be nice if people in positions of leadership had the wisdom to not fall into these traps.
Sadly, that cannot always be avoided. We can only sit there and hold hands as the (media) fires rage.
 
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ too many variables in this, cannot draw a correlation
 
Me neither
Apparently someone is certain of something instead.
I'm curious of what this something is.
 
Tell that to the black guy who sold his BMW because he cannot drive it without getting pulled over every other day
 
8:54 PM
I think it has nothing to do with people being black, in most cases. It has everything to do with attitude, acting "gangsta", talking shit, chip on the shoulder - fuck authority approach.
 
That's another variable.
 
That is a possibility, yes.
Hey, I'm gonna throw this out there. Maybe it's a combination of things happening.
 
I often watch those videos people post about "police brutality".
Put your hands on the wheel, sir. doesn't
Sir, please keep your hands where I can see them. doesn't And then goes to yap about his rights or something.
 
2 mins ago, by sehe
Sadly, that cannot always be avoided. We can only sit there and hold hands as the (media) fires rage.
If people just made a habit of observing how these frenzies occur and why, and how often they turn out to be bogus etc. that might help reduce the frequency with which the social machine misfires. This is exactly what I liked about Carlin's video I linked.
 
> We polluted it with material things, goods
Have you actually linked to the right video sehe?
There's like a whole section where he mocks people that prays to god because he says that even if it exists he does what he wants.
 
8:59 PM
@ElimGarak It's too easy to forget about the other side though. Like the guy that tries to avoid getting arrested for sitting in a shopping center near a day-care center (because he's waiting for his kid). You can "comply" all you want, but that still leaves the kids without a parent to pick them up. He got molested for not complying.
(I can try to find the example, but it's not really about samples, right)
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Of course.
@ʎǝɹɟɟɟǝſ Yeah. Sue me for Carlin saying more than one thing in a vid.
 

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