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1:00 PM
Actually I'm thinking of quitting, making my own business around GPU libraries or something. It's still fairly nascent.
[original idea donut steal]
 
steel donuts; Chuck Norris loves 'em
 
so Poland introduced new traffic laws, that when you speed over 50kph over the limit, they take your licence away for 3 months
 
user1804599
Nice.
 
apparently in the first week, over 700 people lost their license
 
user1804599
Excellent.
 
user1804599
1:02 PM
Fewer fat people.
 
@rightfold what has fat to do with it?
 
50 kilos per hour
 
class Base1 { int b1; void Base1Method(); };
class Base2 { int b2; void Base2Method(); };
class Derived : public Base1, Base2 { int d; void DerivedMethod(); };

auto o= &Derived::DerivedMethod;
auto x = reinterpret_cast<void (Base2::*)()>(o);
auto y = reinterpret_cast<void (Derived::*)()>(x);
assert(o == y);
@buttifulbuttefly @butt ^
Should do.
Wait.
 
@buttifulbuttefly only you and rightfold in this world would think about kph as kilos per hour
 
Great minds think alike.
@R.MartinhoFernandes lemme try
 
1:04 PM
I think I got the ptmf syntax right.
 
it's ptsd not ptmf
 
Ven
@BartekBanachewicz ...that's.. 2years of jail in france, iirc
 
Assuming struct instead of class, and yes it fails indeed.
 
@buttifulbuttefly Yeah, sorry.
 
1:05 PM
@Ven are you serious?
 
It's half-copy-pasted.
 
@Ven wow
France doesn't fuck around o.O
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes it does?
 
main.cpp(14): error C2440: 'reinterpret_cast': cannot convert from 'void (__thiscall Derived::* )(void)' to 'void (__thiscall Base2::* )(void)'
main.cpp(14): note: Pointers to members have different representations; cannot cast between them
main.cpp(15): error C3536: 'x': cannot be used before it is initialized
main.cpp(15): error C2440: 'reinterpret_cast': cannot convert from 'int' to 'void (__thiscall Derived::* )(void)'
main.cpp(15): note: There are no conversions from integral values to pointer-to-member values
 
Hey now I don’t feel so bad about the std::initializer_list bug. Thanks?
 
1:06 PM
@Xeo PTMFs have different sizes.
When you convert to the smaller ones, you lose information that you can't retrieve.
(Well, there's the Hell++ workaround which keeps a list of lost information to be retrieved later, but let's not go there)
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes You're not converting a prvalue there :P
 
@buttifulbuttefly mmm donuts
 
@Xeo 'usual conversions' etc.
 
Xeo
right right
 
I invented two new verbs: 'Millisecondizes the wall time, adds the passed interval and then walltimeizes the result'.
 
1:08 PM
@Xeo Obviously we should distinguish between pure prvalues and converted prvalues!
 
Xeo
pprvalue cprvalue
 
ktljksrjgkglksfjdgsdgprvalue
 
Xeo
I'm gonna need CPR with that.
 
Was this roundtripping requirement added in 2011, or was MSVC always broken?
 
user1804599
bukkake
 
1:10 PM
I’d be surprised if it’s new, but I cba to take a look.
 
@BartekBanachewicz we have a stunt driving law here that can get you jail time and license suspension (with a heavy fine ofc) for being that much over the limit
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's so little!
 
user3010322
@BartekBanachewicz That's... really fucking slow. And I don't even drive.
 
user3010322
RIP Fastlane.
 
@ThePhD What.
50km/h over the limit is slow?
 
Xeo
1:12 PM
lol
 
What do you think the limit is?
 
@ThePhD Keyword: over
 
user3010322
OH
 
user3010322
OVER
 
lol
 
user3010322
1:12 PM
HERP DERP.
 
@buttifulbuttefly lel
 
user3010322
So 110 km/h is still good, alrighty then.
 
Have any of you driven on the autobahn
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes 3 months is little, or +50kph is little?
 
@ThePhD STORM
 
Xeo
1:13 PM
@BartekBanachewicz latter (sarcastic)
 
@BartekBanachewicz 3 months.
 
Xeo
and former
 
@ThePhD we have 50 in cities here (60 after 11pm)
 
Seriously, +50km/h on a city zone (it's what? 50? 60?) is twice as much.
 
some parts have it raised to 70
 
Xeo
1:13 PM
Try a Spielstrasse (10km/h IIRC?)
Or Verkehrsberuhigte Zone (30km/h)
 
I can see how it's dumbly applied though
we have some "roadworks" and 30kph signs next to them when the road is perfectly clear
 
user3010322
Well, I can't imagine someone actually managing to go double over the speedlimit in a city.
 
I don't even slow down there
 
How would it be dumbly applied?
 
I can imagine someone going 80 there and losing their license
 
1:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz If there are roadworks, >80km/h sounds good?
 
user3010322
Streets are pretty narrow and usually you can't just go slicing through the streets without killing people.
 
user3010322
But then again it depends on how dense the roads are.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the point is there aren't. They keep the signs there for whatever reason
 
@BartekBanachewicz Totally deserved, no? It's already 60% over the limit in normal conditions.
 
there are like, a few red poles on the side on the road
 
user3010322
1:15 PM
If it's a city but they've got those mega-wide roads like the main NYC roads then you can probably handle it.
 
And what are you, a white Pole?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Poles in Poland. What a surprise.
 
Uninspired. The commonly accepted way to do it is to repeat "Screw Flanders" until you get the required number of characters. — AnT Jun 2 '10 at 16:57
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz If the sign is there, you have to obey it.
 
1:16 PM
@BartekBanachewicz They should wear yellow so they are easier to spot.
 
@Xeo NOT IN POOLAND
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes say here, you can really go 70 safely
 
@Xeo If the sign wasn't there you would be way over the limit anyway. I don't get how one can argue it's fine if the sign is wrong.
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes True
 
1:16 PM
it's on my way to work
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz The law says you can't, so fuck you.
 
"Mapy Google"
hahaha.
 
@Xeo noone does
it's just retarded leaving it there for no reason
 
Xeo
57 secs ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
@Xeo If the sign wasn't there you would be way over the limit anyway. I don't get how one can argue it's fine if the sign is wrong.
 
I mean you'd lose your license just because the sign was there
which imho is a law abuse
you should get a fine, surely.
 
Xeo
1:18 PM
2 mins ago, by Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz If the sign is there, you have to obey it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You'd deserve it if the sign wasn't there.
 
ITT @Bartek is an anarchist
 
@Xeo If you don't obey it, you should be killed </sarcasm>
 
If you are going to commit an offense, may as well steal the sign - the fine is less.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you were going 70 in a 50 zone you deserve a fine, not your license taken away vOv
 
1:18 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I see traffic, busses, lots of exits, and pedestrian crossings.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah and if you hurt someone?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Why not?
 
Rules are not there with the purpose of limiting your freedom.
 
seriously it's a two-lane street separated with grass from the other side, with every passenger crossing guarded with streetlights
 
Xeo
You're 40% over the limit.
 
1:19 PM
Parking spaces adjacent to the road, too.
 
@Xeo uh, because breaking the traffic law shouldn't result in your licence taken away all the time?
3
that would be retarded
 
@Xeo doesn't matter, you don't deserve to be banned just because of that
 
Oh right, forgot streetlights.
 
esp. speeding
 
@BartekBanachewicz so rich people don't have to worry about speed limits?
 
Xeo
1:20 PM
@BartekBanachewicz If you can't follow rules, I don't think you should have a paper slip that says "I can follow rules".
 
@thecoshman In practice in many countries they don't because the fine is ridiculously small
 
@thecoshman you also get the penalty points here.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Speeding, especially, should have harsh punishment.
 
I hear in Sweden (Norway?) fines are proportional to your income, which is nice.
 
@buttifulbuttefly my point, licence being taken away is the same for everyone, regardless of who you are.
 
1:21 PM
wait does @Xeo, @R.MartinhoFernandes and everyone participating actually participate in the traffic with a vehicle?
 
@thecoshman ofc, especially if you're Bartek
 
@buttifulbuttefly Several fines in Portugal are specified in days, i.e., basically that.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I ride a bike.
 
@BartekBanachewicz speeding is one of the worst problems with driving
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's nice, does it work well in practice?
 
1:22 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's really easy to break the speed limit accidentally imho
 
@BartekBanachewicz Get out.
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh no, you're quite right, the roads are their to be used a racetrack. It's the foolish meat-bags fault if they get in the way.
 
@Xeo Sometimes you just have to break the rule, and it is stupid to take the license away if you were speeding once in your life.
 
And I mean, out of the road. And I fucking mean it.
 
1:22 PM
@buttifulbuttefly It's nice for drug-dealers with little or no declared income.
 
Wait, you got your license how long ago? 2 months right?
 
@BartekBanachewicz You're supposed to keep in mind that you are driving.
 
@BartekBanachewicz it's called not deserving to drive.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Everyday. I bet I've had a license for way longer than you.
 
@Xeo that doesn't mean you should take the licence away from people for minor violations
 
Xeo
1:22 PM
Also, you got your license not too long ago, in Germany there's this beginner period. Try anything funny and you're out.
 
Ell
Points deter you from speeding, not the fine :v
IMHO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes hmpfh
yeah, when riding a bike it's probably easier to keep within the speed limits
 
@buttifulbuttefly long enough to not have to worry about others apparently
 
@BartekBanachewicz When walking too, I'm usually < 50 km/h
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you break the speed limit by fifty kilometres per hour by accident, you have no business being on the wheel.
 
1:23 PM
exactly we all should walk
@R.MartinhoFernandes of course. I was talking about things like >20-30
 
@BartekBanachewicz apparently a fine mean nothing
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've had an A license for a decade now.
 
@thecoshman what? How does it not?
@thecoshman what? it's like, uh, you've no idea what you're talking about
 
@BartekBanachewicz apparently this fine is just ignored by everyone, but threaten to take away their licence "oh god, how are we ever going to 'continue' following the rules"
 
user3790646
what is the speed limit in highways in your country? (Here is 110 km/h)
 
1:25 PM
@thecoshman your assumptions are absolutely wrong
@AndreyErick 140
 
130 in France, 110 on some segments.
 
I want a compiler for pseudocode language, so I can insert all syntax and stupid errors I want and it will never complain
 
@BartekBanachewicz they're based on what you said
 
@MarcoA. JavaScript does exactly that
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you also have to pass on a 650cc bike in Portugal?
 
1:25 PM
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Also, you seem to know this "fact". After all, you brought it up. Why don't you keep it in mind while driving and pay attention to the fucking driving?
 
@buttifulbuttefly +1 to you, good sir
 
@thecoshman then you're misreading what I said. Kindly go back to the beginning and read what I said again, more slowly this time.
 
Oh shit. Banned again. That's the third time this decade I've had to hire a chauffeur for a year:(
 
man yall ever notice that as you get more tired writing c++ everything seems too verbose
 
1:26 PM
@MartinJames what
 
@MarcoA. tips fedora
 
@BartekBanachewicz Not really:)
 
@MartinJames topical, we were just talking about bad drives
 
Seriously, the "driving is hard" argument is lazy bullshit. Yes, it is damn hard. Keep that in mind.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am paying attention to the driving.
 
1:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Hence driving at 80 on a 50 zone?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes One thing I've learned on the course is that people make mistakes when driving.
 
@BartekBanachewicz then how on earth do you end up 50kmph OVER the spreed limit?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, and driving at 80 in a 50 zone mitigates those mistakes.
 
spread limit
 
1 min ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@thecoshman then you're misreading what I said. Kindly go back to the beginning and read what I said again, more slowly this time.
 
1:27 PM
Bartok don't go over the speed limits, whatever they may be. The end. hth
 
@BartekBanachewicz If you are aware that people make mistakes when driving, you have to concede that you should be careful, and not letting 30km/h slip by you should count as part of that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes well, typically people go around 75-78 in the 70 zone (because you're allowed to go 10 over the speed limit), so if it ends suddenly or is say temporarily taken down and you're used to the road I can see how you'd end up there
 
user3790646
The sun is burning me, there is no cooling breeze
 
@BartekBanachewicz Those 10 over the limit are meant for measurement error and instantaneous variations.
That's why it's just 10.
 
of course they are.
 
1:29 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes drive fast enough, and the physics will not have time to update and you will be on the other side before anything happens.
 
The reality is that the traffic moves at 60kph though
 
It has nothing to do with extra 30km/h.
 
if you are slower than that, you're stalling
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes in uk, it's 10%
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm not sure about that
you germanies have unlimited motorway
 
1:29 PM
@thecoshman So less than 10km/h.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes we have 70 zones here, so when transitioning to a 50 zone you could be technically going 79 legally
 
Ell
we have to stick to a measly 112km/h
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes, uk top speed is 70mph
 
@BartekBanachewicz I got fined £100 for wrong way in a one-way street. I'd been using that route for years, and while I was away on hols, the council bastards made it one-way. Yes, all the signs were there, but I was not looking for them.
 
@MartinJames this stuff happens vOv
 
1:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz just because everyone else is breaking the law does not mean you get to too.
 
Xeo
@Ell No limit, no speeding.
 
but apparently our Princesses Perfect Drivers don't get that
 
Ell
We have a limit though :(
 
alright yall be honest
 
@BartekBanachewicz It happens, and going faster doesn't make it better!
 
1:30 PM
what is the fastest you've gone in your vehicle
 
Ell
How can you think speeding should be punished harshly when you have no limit? :P
(on the motorway)
 
on normal driving roads, track doesnt count
 
@BartekBanachewicz We get that shit happens. That's why we aren't too forgiving of speeding.
 
Ell
@Prismatic prolly 90
 
mph?
 
1:31 PM
@Ell my grandma goes faster
 
Ell
@Prismatic yah
 
on her wheelchair
 
ITT a 2-months license driver gives lessons on driving to the world
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes meh.
 
Ell
144km/h
 
1:31 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what the hell? If an up-comming speed sign changes the speed limit, you have to be within that speed limit BEFORE you reach the sign
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz There's this thing called "Noetigung" in Germany, where you pressure the people in front of you to drive faster by driving really close (and potentially honking).
 
@buttifulbuttefly coshman doesn't even have the license vOv
 
@Ell that's better
 
@MartinJames Sometimes I reverse out to the exit of the car park because it's one way and reverse makes the journey to the exit 200 metres shorter - I only have to reverse like 15 metres
 
@Ell The speed limits are not arbitrary anywhere (well, theoretically). They depend on road conditions, and surroundings, and such.
 
1:32 PM
@BartekBanachewicz So?
 
stupid russians take agario too seriously
4
 
I've gone 160kph once, empty highway in the middle of nowhere
 
@buttifulbuttefly so he's giving lessons to me and that's fine apparently
 
@Ell Plus, AFAIK you can be charged for excessive speed even when there's no limit.
 
Ell
I think reckless driving should be punished harshly, speeding isn't always reckless driving
 
1:32 PM
@Ell because it's only unlimited/crazy high for limit safe stretches
 
what Ell said
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yes I'll allow that
 
Ell
just like you can be punished for driving under the limit
 
You know what terrifies me, people who speed crazy fast and then take pictures of their speedo with their phone
 
Ell
in the UK even
 
1:32 PM
@Xeo tail gatting aka really bad driving
 
if you have a modern car you can safely go 200-220 on the highway
 
Ell
if it is snowing, etc. etc.
 
@Prismatic I've managed 130mph. Empty motorway, 4pm.
 
@BartekBanachewicz what
 
@BartekBanachewicz please do explain how that changes the application of the law?
 
1:33 PM
Well maybe you'll change your mind the day you or someone you know gets in an accident
 
@Prismatic TCS, lane assists, stuff. Computers make this safer.
 
@BartekBanachewicz STOP WITH THIS DANGEROUS NONSENSE
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, you cannot, because you will bump into someone else's behind because they don't drive at 220.
 
Ell
@MartinJames what motorway was empty at 4pm? :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz because I am right and you are wrong vOv
 
1:33 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The highway is not just the fucking asphalt.
 
@BartekBanachewicz You don't know what you're talking about. Most cars are not safe to drive at that speed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes you assume other people don't drive 200 here
 
There are cars in it, and people in those cars.
 
even Steven Skiena uses 'C/C++'
 
@Ell Oops.. 4am :)
 
1:33 PM
@Prismatic hence "modern"
 
Xeo
 
Ell
I don't understand why most cars don't have a distance meter on them
 
speed limits are put according to the distance a car will go before stopping.
 
should've said "very recent"
 
Xeo
This is great out of context.
 
1:34 PM
cars have improved their breaks, speed limits still remain the same
 
Ell
so you can see the distance between you and the next car more easily, it is hard to judge sometimes
 
@khajvah wrong post?
 
Unless you mean a $80,000 sports car like a GTR, most modern cars are not fit to tdrive at that speed
 
Ell
@Xeo more like terrible :L
 
ITT @BartekBanachewicz has absolutely no regard for the law or safety of himself or others.
 
1:34 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Many domestic cars sold in Europe are electronically limited to 180-190.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes remap();
 
@MarcoA. Not the point.
 
@buttifulbuttefly ok :(
 
@thecoshman lol yeah whatever
 
Most of them won't even go that fast with nothing in the car except you on a straight away because governer
 
1:35 PM
The manufacturers don't set those limits because of the law: they are way above the law.
 
@Prismatic I said 200kph, not 200 mph
 
@BartekBanachewicz thanks for the confirmation.
 
Yes I know
 
200 meters per hour is way too slow
 
They set them because they want exactly zero responsibility if you think it's safe to go above that.
 
1:35 PM
@Ell that's why radars and stuff
 
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
200mph is what 320 km/h?
 
Ven
What I said earlier 'bout driving over the speed limit was utter shit, btw.
 
a lot of people here drive cars that keep their distance automatically
 
That's like... supercar territory.
 
1:36 PM
@Ell not really, "I think I might be a bit close" -> EASE THE FUCK OFF THEN DICK WIPE
 
@Prismatic OTOH 200kph is 10yo Audi
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why should they be deemed responsible if someone goes 300km/h?
 
Ven
>=50km/h speed exceed can get your 3months of jail
 
pretty much anywhere
 
@Ven which is stupid
 
1:36 PM
... I give up dude
 
Ell
@thecoshman I mean, people often think they are further away than they think
 
Ven
@khajvah why?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Audi sets it to 240 for cars sold in EU
I think the S variants might have 270 actually
 
Ell
if we had a rader/infrared/something then we could have a meter on the dashboard
 
Audiots
 
1:37 PM
@MarcoA. Usually suing conversativism nonsense
 
@Ell ah, true.
 
@Ven because putting somebody in jail just because of speeding is stupid
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, so everyone in Poland drives those. Forgot that.
 
@khajvah Uh? Why?
 
Ven
@khajvah they're putting people's lives in dangers
 
Ell
1:37 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes only if you don't keep the right distance, right?
 
oh god this conversation is really pissing me off
 
@Ven You are putting people's lives in dangers because of driving
 
@khajvah ... that's why we have jail, to look away the socially dangerous people...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes approx. 95% of cars I see going 160-180 on a 120 road here are <5yo from proper german manufacturers, yes
 
@Ell You can't keep the right distance if you're going faster than them. It's... physically impossible.
> 160-180
 
1:38 PM
@buttifulbuttefly it's fucking mind blowing
 
people with worse cars drive slower
 
You still can kill somebody if you are not exceeding the limit
 
Ven
@khajvah but that's a controled risk. not so much at over 50km/h over the speed limit.
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's why we have 3 lanes though, right?
 
1:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz and?
 
Are you just throwing numbers out there like they're nothing?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's on 140 highways. I mentioned the 120 road I frequent
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes But if you drive in circles around them?
 
Ell
obviously you can't go faster than the car in front of you if there is only one lane
 
highways have different rules than high-speed roads
you can go faster there
 
1:39 PM
Anyway I'm outta here, ping me when Bartek kills someone and/or himself.
 
hence 140 vs 120
@buttifulbuttefly lol
 
@Ven well, 2015 ferrari can break in smaller distance while driving at 200 kph than 1990 skoda while driving at 100
 
simple physics: driving at 180km/hour is 9 times as destructive as driving at 60km/hr
 
@khajvah use a gun
 
@buttifulbuttefly I love how you're totally fucking unrealistic about the traffic
 
Xeo
1:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Here, have some more! 18, 2, 25090106, 9001. #ThrowingNumbersInTheClub
 
yet, the limits are the same
 
HYAhahahaha
 
@BartekBanachewicz The edit came just in time. People are aflag
 
who's flagging now wtf
 
Quick Googling for some traffic accident stats...
 
1:40 PM
Anyay, I'm pretty much immune from speeding fines/points/whatever now. There are few roads round here where I can easily wind up my 1.4D Fiesta to the limit without having to slow down for the next junction.
 
> Poland has the highest death rate for traffic accidents in the European Union,
 
Xeo
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's what everyone is saying about you!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well. "I loved how you totally played to the man"
@R.MartinhoFernandes likely road quality related
 
it isn't even an insult. fuck used as a pronoun is offensive how?
 
1:40 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which percentage of those is attributed to Bartek?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes To be fair, not all of that is Bartek's fault.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes apparently the stats you pulled out seem to confirm what I'm saying, regardless of the outcome
 
Xeo
@MartinJames hahaha
 
I bet Bartek is featured in like 80% of those traffic cam videos on the internet.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Confirm what?
 
1:41 PM
@chmod711telkitty on GTA that isn't true
I usually kill more people going slower
 
That driving at 220km/h in a highway is perfectly safe?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the fact how fast people usually, typically go here
because that's what I was pointing out
 
user1804599
 
also, there's one thing you're missing
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which has nothing to do with how safe it is.
(Likely the opposite, given the evidence)
 
1:41 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that's more complicated
we have another category of roads, where you can go 90
 
@MarcoA. GTA: metal light posts, knocked over with a tap. baby tree, takes down a tank at full speed.
 
typically narrow, with just single lane
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes though going 120 when everyone around you is going 220 is probably not very safe either.
 
9 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
if you have a modern car you can safely go 200-220 on the highway
 
those are the real killers
@R.MartinhoFernandes notice "on the highway"
 
1:42 PM
driving faster than 200km/hour makes losing control easier because of the wind
 
our roads beside highways are very dangerous
 
@SamDeHaan That must be an exaggeration. Many of the videos come from places Bartek has not visited.
 
@BartekBanachewicz everyone doing something dangerous does not make it sage!
 
@BartekBanachewicz lol
 
the highways and people going 200 on them aren't a problem in the slightest is my point
 
1:42 PM
This is too easy.
 
@MartinJames he drives fast enough he could miss his exit and accidentally visit them before he can turn around.
 
@thecoshman but sage makes things delicious.
 
I changed my query to "poland accidents highway".
> Polish highways: Europe's deathtrap - GlobalPost
 
going 100 on the country road is way more dangerous than going 200 on a highway
 
LMAO.
 
1:43 PM
Apparently everyone in Poland has their own private road network
 
@rlemon GTA is completely physically accurate
 
@BartekBanachewicz both are dangerous though.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Starred for I don't even know what.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not clickbaity in the least
 
@MarcoA. totally.
 
1:43 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes that article still talks about the country roads
 
but if you would like to crash your car and be in the wheel chair for the rest of your life, then feel free to drive at 200km+/hour
 
Ell
@R.MartinhoFernandes nor me
 
The problem with high speed is high kinetic energy. That has to go somewhere in a crash. Logically, it is more dangerous to go faster.
 
@thecoshman I feel much safer in the latter case vOv
 
@chmod711telkitty all of the remaining 57 minutes?
 
1:44 PM
@chmod711telkitty At that speed, a wheelchair-bound existence is a let-off.
 
@wilx make it 2 kph, it is way safer.
 
the cities are of course another story, and I agree that speeding in the city is dangerous, I just pointed out it can happen by accident there
especially if it's a daily, routine commute
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'd rather crash at 100 into a tree than another car with us both going 200 and another twat load of cars going 200
 
@khajvah That is obviously absurd.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh good, still openly defending negligent driving.
:(
 
user1804599
1:45 PM
Use a device which warns when you go too fast.
 
Driving 60km/h through an elementary school is probably more dangerous than going 200km/h on the freeway
 
@thecoshman if you both go 200, the crash doesn't necessarily have to be very big you know, unless you both get off the road, which takes way more than that
 
@wilx also this
 
@Jeremy Who the fuck cares? Don't do either.
 
@Jeremy most people don't recommend driving through elementary schools.
 
1:45 PM
@Jeremy Dropping your car from a flying plane is even worse!
 
Probably even bartek agrees.
Probably.
 
@rightfold so it started with people choking themselves... then lighting themselves on fire... then jumping in rivers... then using shot glasses to inflate their lips.... and now they're ODing on over the counter painkillers
 
@wilx how is it absurd?
 
@BartekBanachewicz if you 'accidentally' speed you do not deserve to be on the road.
 
@thecoshman I guess you should compare actual stats of deaths when people hit the tree and when they bump on a highway.
 
1:46 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes needs more supporting research
 
What's next? Russian roulette?
 
Kinetic energy depends the square of velocity. It is well known that, e.g., city limits speed difference between 50 km/h and 60 km/h is significant for pedestrian survival.
 
@SamDeHaan It's indeed difficult, well, the ones with brick walls anyway.
 
@thecoshman Will you give away your license, shall you ever obtain it, if you accidentally speed?
 
user1804599
@Prismatic I'm afraid the next one will be much worse.
 
user1804599
1:46 PM
Such as people trying to learn C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not if you drop it in the ocean and you stay on the plane!
 
in my country they steal road signs for decoration
 
@rightfold the horror
 
@BartekBanachewicz Er, how does that justify highway pileups. Shame on @thecosh for taking your bait, but he should have just laughed instead of giving it legitimacy.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes.
 
1:47 PM
@thecoshman well then, we'll see about that
 
I bought a tough ass SUV because I knew what a small car would look like after crashing into another stationary car at 60km/hour
 
I think all these comparisons on what're more dangerous than what are a bit silly. The faster you drive the more dangerous it is for everyone
 
in my country they steal road signs for melting-down and weighing-in.
 
@thecoshman that's going to be a short day of driving
 
ke = 0.5 * mv^2 ?
 
1:47 PM
@BartekBanachewicz because a 'bump' at any speed should never happen, and at 200 is not just abump
 
It's not pretty, even @ 60km/hour
 
help I don't remember
 
@AndyProwl And it's completely irrelevant that there are ways of driving even more recklessly.
 
@thecoshman I love how you're ignoring everything I said that doesn't fit your broken opinion
 
@AndyProwl If you are being chased by villains with shotguns, it's safer to drive faster.
 
1:48 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. I mean even if you're driving on a modern car which is super-resistant and safe and has perfect controls, you might be involved in the accident because of someone else, and someone else with a less robust car might get involved too, and so on and scenarios and bla bla
 
@BartekBanachewicz The problem is that he isn't ignoring it.
 
Speed's dangerous that's it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he is, and you're defending him just because he agrees with you.
 
He's giving legitimacy to the nonsensical bits you said by trying to engage them rationally.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I've only seen moronic arguments along the lines of "everyone does it" and "there are more dangerous scenarios"
 
1:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I'm chastising him.
 
@AndyProwl Inappropriate speed is dangerous. It's a probablity thingy, like most stuff.
 
@thecoshman And ignoring everything else I said. Either you read what I'm writing or kindly fuck off.
 
user1804599
Speed isn't dangerous.
 
@chmod711telkitty as if that's slow. It's about the speed difference. And a frontal at a delta of 60km/h is huge
 
user1804599
Difference in speed is dangerous!
 
1:50 PM
@rightfold It's sudden slowdown!
 
@AndyProwl And Bartek already acknowledge that people make mistakes, which is even more baffling.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, at least in that I disagree.
 
@MartinJames who decides the appropriate speed ?
 
I've been using a lot of aggregate init recently and its actually really ugly
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes bartling?
 
1:50 PM
You tried to fine a tree?
 
@MartinJames "Inappropriate" is relative, but the fact that the faster you drive the higher the risk is just common sense
 
hang hang, maybe there is rational explanation for all this. I have very ignorantly just presumed that Polish cars are fitted as standard with a magical device called a 'speedometer' that can tell you what speed you car is going at.
 
@AndyProwl Sure, yes.
 
user1804599
Conclusion: don't drive.
 
user1804599
Want to ride your bicycle.
 
1:50 PM
@BartekBanachewicz The appropriate response to half of what you said is to just decry it as the nonsense it is, not debating it.
 
@rightfold drive safely. That doesn't necessarily mean slowly vOv
 
@BartekBanachewicz Right. It means accidentally too fast.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes then why do you bother?
 
user1804599
Go 200 on a bike!
 
Like, when you're reading code its pretty hard to tell what's what. C++ needs that C struct init style where you can directly assign members ... much nicer
 
1:51 PM
@rightfold Down a mountain slope
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's ok, because everyone does, and they are all going really fast, so it's fine....
 
on the ice
 
Ell
it doesn't matter how fast you drive as long as you leave appropriate stopping distance
in my opinion
 
@BartekBanachewicz That's just a platitude that doesn't justify driving fast.
 
You need to drive slow enough to turn safely as well
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you're in between the traffic, everyone rolls around you, and you just follow them, it's perfectly likely that you're going to be speeding.
 
user1804599
@AndyProwl up a mountain slope on ice.
 
@rightfold challenge accepted
 
Ell
@chmod711telkitty blocked :(
 
user1804599
Don't do speed and drive.
 
1:53 PM
@Ell yes... accept you need consider that there can always be things jumping out at you. That is why in urban areas you slow down, because things are much more likely to walk out on you. Motorways you can drive faster, as the chances of idiots walking out is much less
 
Ven
I don't get how data divisions work in cobol. what do those numbers even mean. why 01 then 05 then 88 in every example out there.
 
Ell
@thecoshman I agree
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ok, that's an unfortunate circumstance. But guess what, harsher punishments are an attempt to reduce that effect.
 
1:53 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes technically you can always go slower. If everyone moved at 20kph imagine how safe the streets would be
 
@BartekBanachewicz use the fucking break!
 
@thecoshman and have the guy behind you have to break too. and then have him try to overtake you
 
@BartekBanachewicz Now that's a straw man. No one argued for being an impediment.
Try another one.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, and suddenly everyone is slow down to a reasonable speed
If he wants to overtake, it's THEIR choice
 
@thecoshman except people don't drive faster because they want to drive slower, so now the left lane is moving faster than your and instead of two lanes at equal speed, you have left lane where it's fucking dangerous to merge into
 
1:55 PM
@thecoshman That's not so simple, and likely to make it worse.
 
I was scared shitless of changing lanes because people in front of me suddenly decided that going 45 is perfectly fine
 
Ven
@rightfold that means, in their first example, that an EMPLOYEE-RECORD is: EMPLOYEE-NAME comprised of FIRST X(10), LAST X(10) and EMPLOYEE-ADDRESS comprised of STREET X(10) and CITY X(10)?
I don't get the second example there
 
ironically it makes it worse for people with slower cars
 
Ven
05 then 04? why?
 
user1804599
@Ven to demonstrate how it works.
 
1:56 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Why are you in the right... wait... which side you drive on? never mind, why are you in the fast lane, if the slow lane is already at the limit?
 
Ven
oh, it's a non-standard extension...
 
user1804599
In reality you wouldn't write such confusing code.
 
@Ell search for 'crashing at 100km' (change the speed if you wish) there are a few videos around
 
@thecoshman if you want to turn, for example?
 
Ell
@MartinJames what a fool
 
user1804599
1:56 PM
Vim automatically indents correctly based on the levels you write.
 
user1804599
Don't know what Emacs does.
 
@BartekBanachewicz are we talking motorways or normal main roads?
if you are turning, you need to slow down anyway...
 
Ven
@rightfold no, the cobol vim identation sucks terribly
 
@Ell The motor cyclist with helmet-cam was in the perfect position for that one:(
 
Ven
I don't want file section to be on the same identation level as data division.
 
user1804599
1:58 PM
I do. :p
 
@thecoshman Probably everyone turns at 80 in Poland.
 
user1804599
I also want paragraph names on the same indentation level as procedure division..
 
user1804599
And program-id. on the same indentation level as identification division..
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What? Like werewolves?
 
Ven
@rightfold I don't have identification division!
joke's on you.
Now, for variable-length arrays in cobol...
 
1:59 PM
@thecoshman here
 

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