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9:00 PM
I wonder how that clarified anything, but eh :)
 
I've never tipped anybody
food workers in this country are paid a wage for doing their job by their employer, just like everybody else
 
I'm not the party/cafe goer. So I only tip in restaurants - no clue elsewhere
@Puppy thanks for trying to revive this age-old discussion. You know things are more nuanced, because convention and all, but who cares :)
 
@Cinch what
 
you make it osund like other people's conventions influence what is correct and logical
 
:23028458 his country may not be equal to your country
 
9:02 PM
so am i
 
lol no.
I most certainly am not in the United States.
it's the only country that's theoretically developed that manages to issue assault rifles to mental patients.
 
@Puppy ???
 
If you think it's logical to knowingly act like a dick... you're a dick.
 
@Puppy Oh I thought you were the one that was in the US
 
no.
 
9:05 PM
I think that's Rapptz though
 
The UK is only fractionally better in many respects, unfortunately
 
@Puppy You guys don't have the South
 
but I can safely say that being asked to decide the wage of random employees of other businesses with zero information or control of the outcome is one we managed to move past.
 
@Puppy I don't know the UK but the US is not really... ugh how do I say this
We're idiots.
 
I know
so are we.
 
9:07 PM
Lounge<Idiots>
 
just not in this specific respect.
 
@AndyProwl What if we have a person from India? Then they're not idiots.
 
They're indiots.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hey I've always wanted to ask, How do you spell "I?"
 
9:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes What love you
 
Barreleyes, also known as spook fish (a name also applied to several species of chimaera), are small deep-sea argentiniform fish comprising the family Opisthoproctidae found in tropical-to-temperate waters of the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian Oceans. These fish are named for their barrel-shaped, tubular eyes, which are generally directed upwards to detect the silhouettes of available prey; however, according to Robison and Reisenbichler, these fish are capable of directing their eyes forward, as well. The family name Opisthoproctidae is derived from the Greek words opisthe ("behind") and proktos...
 
Thanks, what would've been lost without you
 
TIL a fish with transparent head exists
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes no
 
9:14 PM
one typically tips if one is too lazy to not round off.
but as with everything else, nobody gives a shit
 
@PolymorphicPotato One tips to reward good service
 
user1804599
> The spacecraft's impact at about 8,750 mph created a new crater on the planet’s surface.
 
user1804599
inb4 greencrazies yell at nasa for destroying nature
 
best.answer.ever.
 
@Cinch I you did there, what see it :)
 
9:21 PM
@sehe what know
 
it addresses the problem, it indicates a working and clever solution.. it's just plain perfect
 
@MarcoA. 3funny4disworld
 
@MarcoA. :)
it's even true
 
user1804599
> Aerospace Engineers Warn First-Grader’s Design For Spaceship Completely Unsafe
 
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9:27 PM
Does anyone here have experience with Qt?
 
@AndyProwl you're so qt M8-T
 
user1804599
Can't help it but you really sound like a help vampire if you ask that in the Lounge. xD
 
lol, I didn't ask for help
I just wanted to hear opinions
 
the only time I used Qt was in college
it was in the exam
 
@AndyProwl I tried to use it, but it's too heavyweight and uses 90' style C++
 
9:29 PM
I'm downloading it and I don't know what to expect
@milleniumbug Aw
Like, owning raw pointers and stuff?
 
I wouldn't do it again tbh
 
@AndyProwl Exactly.
Maybe they fixed it in the meantime (it was Qt4 that I tried)
 
@milleniumbug Damn. What should I use for writing GUIs in C++?
I'm kind of used to MFC but I was hoping for something better
 
@AndyProwl no way to write your GUIs in something else?
 
@AlexM. Yeah I'm just wondering what's the best tool
 
user1804599
9:31 PM
> Bradley Koenig’s design for a spaceship is entirely unsafe.
 
user1804599
ADL is indeed unsafe!
 
@AndyProwl Don't know, sadly. Qt is still better than MFC though. For serious applications Qt is still the best choice.
 
I see
 
@AndyProwl Qt5?
 
I think if I were forced to make a GUI in C++ right this instant
on Windows
I'd choose WinForms and make it managed :A
 
9:31 PM
@AlexM. no
no
 
If you're writing something smaller, Nana library looks promising.
 
@wilx Yeah, I'm downloading that
 
It's C++11-aware.
 
I also wonder if I'll be able to use VS
 
This is not the most vexing parse. Not every accidental functional declaration attempt is the most vexing parse. — Lightning Racis in Obrit 23 secs ago
 
9:32 PM
I haven't used it much though, only compiled the "hello world" example.
 
@AlexM. Eh in fact I may just give up doing it in C++ but it would be convenient because the program logic will be in C++
 
@AndyProwl if you're fine with LGPL or your project is open-source (GPL), Qt is the way to go
 
@Cinch what do you know, you're 17
 
(or also if you're doing something commercial and you can buy a license just fine)
 
go back to playing with firetruck toys
 
9:34 PM
@MarcoA. I'm fine with that and yes the project will be open source (if I ever find the time for it)
 
@AndyProwl I'd suggest Qt then, you'll find it easy to use
 
@MarcoA. All right then. I want to write a viewer for ASTs generated by Clang
 
unless you do something extremely sophisticated with the UI, you shouldn't stumble into any problem
@AndyProwl Qt is also portable, should be a good choice (I suppose)
 
nanapro.org/en-us looks promising, but it's too new (not sure if it's production-ready)
 
@MarcoA. I just want a few tree views with icons and tooltips, a few property views, a text box, a few buttons, stuff like that. Nothing particularly fancy. I couldn't find anything more browsable than the -ast-dump output and that doesn't even include everything
 
9:37 PM
@AndyProwl qt has everything you need
 
good to hear
 
other experimental solutions (and way perverted) are: nwjs.io
 
I can't JS
 
more or less: attaching webkit to visualize html5+css3 stuff to your C++ app
heavy
and probably bugged
 
in fact I can't web in general
once I could, but I forgot everything
(for some definition of "could", to be fair)
 
9:38 PM
holy crap KSP looks cool
 
uh if you can write C++ it shouldn't be too hard writing some simple UI for the web. But whatever I get your point
(and it's not fun when CSS looks crappy and you're not quite sure which value to adjust)
 
Especially if you're a total noob as I am
 
me too
 
no you're not, at least compared to me
 
anyway Qt has everything you need. It is heavily documented and there are tons of examples
 
9:41 PM
That's good. After a week of fighting with Clang it will feel like heaven
 
the slot/signal mechanism is kinda clean for a UI, but you might not even need it
uh sure
even rendering controls with Qt is easier than doing low-level stuff with GTK+ or GDI+
I kinda admire the work behind sublime text. It works with plain GDI+ stuff and there's no porting on linux (you have to rewrite stuff yourself with GTK+ IIRC)
I don't find it easy to extend due to this complexity, but it's surely a good work
 
@MarcoA. nice
 
code is here (github.com/marcodiiga/vectis) but I doubt you will need to render your custom controls
you'll be fine
 
Ell
I found gtkmm to be extremely easy to use
 
@MarcoA. Thank you! I'll take a look at it
 
9:46 PM
@AndyProwl just take a look at the code, that darn project started for a community work (of the italian C++ group) :/
 
> Installing component Qt 5.4 examples: 49%
cmon cmon
@MarcoA. Are you going to the next meetup?
 
that means the comments were meant to be in Italian (bad)
uhm I suppose it is in Firenze (Florence)
 
yep
Bartosz is going to be there
unfortunately I have to be at a damn wedding on that day :(
 
he's a great guy, I haven't met him yet
 
yeah, I was looking forward
I've met some of the guys from it++ at Meeting C++, they were all very nice and friendly
 
9:48 PM
I wasn't planning to, to be honest (some work issues during that period)
did you meet Marco Arena?
 
Yep
 
the founder of the group
he's a nice guy and a friend of mine
 
Very nice guy indeed
 
where do you live Andy?
(if I may ask that)
 
I live in Brno, Czech Republic, but I'm from Forli' (near Rimini), so I could have stayed at my parents' for a week and go to the meetup in Florence on that weekend
 
9:50 PM
oh I see
 
but no people have to get married on the wrong day
grrr
 
oh don't worry, those guys plan a LOT of meetings
we'll make sure to catch up at another one
 
would be nice
 
yeah, it would be nice indeed
Marco travels a LOT.. he lives in Rome, works in Modena, goes all around the peninsula to join/organize meetings
I wish I had his batteries..
 
heh, good for him...
 
user1804599
 
user1804599
> because these techniques are so obvious, that it is not even optimization and more like a matter of preferences how to write code.
 
now that I think of it I've never seen a C++ talk in Italian, I wonder how weird that will be :D
 
I totally dislike it
 
user1804599
Once again, OP is a complete and utter moron.
 
like most sentences are likely to have half of the words in English
 
9:54 PM
@rightfold have a +1 for that sentence
 
I hope nobody uses "lista inizializzatrice" or something :D
 
@AndyProwl yeah right. And I haven't met many people with a good English accent in Italy (even at the meetings)
 
@MarcoA. It's hard for us to have a good accent
I had an acceptable one before I moved to Czech Republic but now I have a mix of Czech and Italian accent and I hate it
 
user1804599
#pizza <pizza>

pizza pizza(pizza pizza, pizza pizza** pizza) {
    pizza::pizza << "pizza, mafia!";
    pizza pizza;
}
4
 
user1804599
There, C++ in Italian.
3
 
9:57 PM
lol
 
@rightfold at least there's no mafia
 
"is it under GPL, LGPL or Maphia license?"
 
user1804599
This reminds me of the Ook programming language.
 
in the latter you pay a 'pizzo' for every execution of that code
 
@rightfold at least there's no vaffanculo
 
9:59 PM
this is getting awkward
 
user1804599
Vaffanculo la tua mama!
 
mamma*
 
user1804599
Vaffanculo!
 
well, cazzo
 
godverdomme
 
user1804599
10:00 PM
Volcano!
 
user1804599
Coño!
 
user1804599
Kanker!
 
user1804599
Time to sleep. Bye!!!! <3
 
night
 
10:01 PM
@rightfold night rightfold :)
 
nightfold
6
 
user1804599
:D
 
user1804599
My name so versatile.
 
user1804599
And in the past it was volatile.
 
I was about to write that versatile looks like a keyword
 
user1804599
10:02 PM
I should add a versatile keyword to Mill.
 
uh, what would a "versatile" variable do?
 
I imagine it as something like auto
 
you might call it like a function, assign values to it...
 
user1804599
It has some unusual keywords already, like expose, morphism, old and wrapper
 
(not sure how those two fit together)
 
Xeo
10:03 PM
@MarcoA. dynamically typed!
 
versatile auto x = auto;
 
Right. The keyword for type inference should be whatever
 
@LightningRacisinObrit stop hating on me :D I wasn't paying attention
 
user1804599
Perl 6 has a type called Whatever.
 
right, and if you find a more-versatile use, you could always learn from php and insert another keyword: more_versatile
 
10:04 PM
or whatever_dude for better expressiveness
 
user1804599
Its value is written as * and its meaning depends on where it's used.
 
user1804599
For example, in a range it denotes infinity, so 1..* is an infinite range.
 
user1804599
As an argument to some operators it does partial application, like * + 2 is a function that adds two to its argument.
 
Qt installation complete
 
@AndyProwl whalecum to the dark side ☻
 
user1804599
10:05 PM
My favourite keyword is LOAD since it reminds me of PC LOAD LETTER.
 
@deW1 Do you have cookies?
 
@AndyProwl No but we can send @LightningRacisinObrit to the store
 
regarding keywords.. old but nice
 
Lol it's taken Spotify web player 4 hours to realise that it was not playing the Radio channel it claimed to be playing. Randomly jumped from Fiona Apple tracks (which fit the next channel along from that which appeared selected and whose tracks were being displayed visually) to Spanish tracks
 
@LightningRacisinObrit that's how Hitler and Mussolini spread their speeches "oh we thought we were transmitting classical music"
 
10:08 PM
@deW1 The dark side cannot send Lightning, come on...
 
Xeo
@AndyProwl Actually, have you seen those force lightnings?
 
@Xeo hmm maybe
 
By installing Visual Studio Code, you agree to the terms and data collection described here <-- least they tell you that they steal your code :D
 
Anyone here good at Python?
 
Xeo
yesnomaybeaskagainlater
 
10:11 PM
why
 
@Rapptz Pantoona I guess, but he just left
 
I have a weird problem.
Searching for it gives me very stupid results lol
 
Xeo
to the SSCCE cave!
8
 
I wanna do print(magic(Stuff.A)) that gives me "Stuff.A" instead of evaluating it to whatever number it is.
 
where's the downvote button for the chat :D
 
10:13 PM
@deW1 lol
 
yeah yeah
I'm gonna keep looking anyway
btw I know about str
but that evaluates it
 
So, something like C# nameof?
 
yeah
 
or stringifying operator in C++?
 
*stringify?
 
10:15 PM
stringizing made my day
brilliant
 
Hmmm, not aware of any.
 
>>> repr(Stuff.A)
'1'
>>> str(Stuff.A)
'1'
>>> Stuff.A
1
true suffering
 
Xeo
I wanna write some code but I don't know what
 
uhm perhaps this is related: stackoverflow.com/q/544919/1938163
 
quote, obviously!
 
10:16 PM
@Xeo bubblesort
or even better: a highly optimized version of bogosort
 
@MarcoA. lol this is actually exactly why I want to do it
 
sleep well
 
night
 
20
Q: Convert Variable Name to String?

Brandon PelfreyI would like to convert a python variable name into the string equivalent as shown. Any ideas how? var = {} print ??? # Would like to see 'var' something_else = 3 print ??? # Would print 'something_else'

 
10:18 PM
I don't know python but all this looks extremely hackish
 
> Speaking on behalf of software engineers who have to interview prospective new hires, I can safely say that we're tired of talking to candidates who can't program their way out of a paper bag. If you can successfully write a loop that goes from 1 to 10 in every language on your resume, can do simple arithmetic without a calculator, and can use recursion to solve a real problem, you're already ahead of the pack!
 
> return [name for name in namespace if namespace[name] is obj]
 
Is this true, you guys?
 
in the name of god..
 
@DonLarynx Why wouldn’t they be tired of it?
 
10:19 PM
in the using namespace god...
 
@MarcoA. So hackish. I like it.
 
@LucDanton How can there be graduates who can't write a loop that counts from 1 to 10? for(int i = 1; i <= 10; ++i){//do stuff}
 
@AndyProwl if you got a Qt question I can help you out depending on what it is
 
@DonLarynx Your quote says nothing about graduating.
 
@deW1 I've just downloaded the thing so I haven't really tried anything so far, but thank you, will keep that in mind ;)
 
@DonLarynx That's one language.
 
@LucDanton "From the website: A surprisingly large fraction of applicants, even those with masters' degrees and PhDs in computer science, fail during interviews when asked to carry out basic programming tasks." How is that even?...
@caps The author has "hired dozens of C/C++" programmers
 
He said "in every language on your resume." Maybe most of those applicants over-list the number of languages they know (how to write loops from 1-10 in).
 
@milleniumbug that's something I might never forget
 
10:22 PM
@DonLarynx Well, first you put a language that was in your curriculum but that you’ve only used once in your life for 2 hours. Then, you show up.
 
@caps Good point.
@Luc also good point.
 
Failing to do anything is easy!
 
@LucDanton Exactly.
 
> ImportError: No module named insect
lol this typo
 
I've touched java in uni, also some functional programming, and a couple assembly languages, and C, but I wouldn't put any of that on my resume because I'm fairly certain I forgot everything about them already.
 
10:24 PM
I've written some useful scripts in Python, but I haven't worked in it for a while now. I'm not sure I could write a for loop in Python without using google.
for (i in range(10)) or something like that?
 
Parens are wrong, and in 2.7.x it’s xrange IIRC. And don’t forget the colon!
 
for i in range(10):
 
almost
 
I used 2.7 and 3.x and I don't remember doing xrange
Although I was usually iterating over files or lines in a file, rather than an arbitrary number.
 
It’s something like xrange makes a generator, range makes a list or something.
 
10:26 PM
Python seems neat
 
Ah, okay. Well range would suffice for printing 1-10
@LucDanton I see the superiority of xrange
 
@caps Yeah, can’t fault you here. I ingrained the rule of thumb to the point I forgot range is an option in 2.7.x.
 
@deW1 The C99 and C++11 avoid the issue by calling it "the # operator", but the word destringized appears in C99 standard, at 6.10.9.1.
 
@LightningRacisinObrit I'm in the same bar as Gwendolyn Christie.
 
@milleniumbug neat stuff
 
10:33 PM
hm, so "Visual Studio Code" is a clone of Atom is a clone of TextMate/SublimeText - except without the package/extension system that makes those useful?
 
@melak47 It looks so, yeah.
They're so bad they even install in AppData
 
everybody does that these days
I fucking hate that :p
 
@melak47 That's horrible, because
Jul 24 '14 at 18:22, by milleniumbug
I have a 60GB SSD, because that's the storage I expected for OS to require. Fuck you Visual Studio for storing 20 GB in C:
 
20? o.O
it install MSBuild and some sdk crap to C, but that's all...right?
(also TFS, SQL server and whatnot if you're into that)
 
@melak47 Hmmm, that was slight overreaction, also I had multiple versions of VS, but the fact is still that I provided the path, and they chose to ignore it.
 
10:36 PM
I haven't had a compiler installed on my computer for over two weeks, and I genuinely feel like hell. Don't make my mistake gents.
 
I have 2013 and 2015 installed on my laptop, not much else, 35/70 GB on C: used (with VS installed on D:)
I guess a good 10 of that could be VS :/
 
Did you mean:

(:
:(]
 
:v
 
Ell
Cocomero means watermelon right?
 
Yep
 
Ell
10:44 PM
Thats all I know :P
Apart from ciao
 
@AndyProwl How do you say "Nooble is the best koala"
 
@Nooble That can be more or less translated as "Nooble pizza vaffanculo koala"
 
Languages are fascinating aren't they
@Nooble Booh how could they translate "vaffanculo" as "fuck"
bad google bad
 
10:51 PM
What does it mean?
To fuck off with pizza?
 
nah, I was just kidding
"vaffanculo" means "go to fuck off". I put it there because it's one of those words everyone knows
your original sentence translates into "Nooble e' il miglior koala"
(I don't have the proper accented 'e' here)
 
I have: è
I even have two and I don't know which one should be used: è é
(damn)
 
@AndyProwl Wonderful. I'm going to start saying that :P
 
è__é
 
I think it's è
 

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