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11:00 PM
@Xeo is @ @sbi? :)
 
but I see where the issue is now, thanks.
 
well
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow Nope, we met at the café of my parents earlier and had a nice chat there. :) We parted something like half an hour ago though
 
I guess they might actually fix it
 
also, it is Microsoft.
 
11:01 PM
not being able to iterate over your own data structures with your own algorithms is a bit of a problem, really
 
seems that way.
 
@Xeo Do you live in the same city?
 
@Xeo I'll report it when they get back to me about the concurrent_queue
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I'd first take a look if they actually fixed it alread in MSVC11
I can take a look if you want, I just installed it
@FredOverflow Berlin both
 
yes
use the parallel_for_each on an unordered_set<T>
I believe that the choice of T should be irrelevant
 
11:02 PM
@Xeo Is MSVC11 out yet? Or do you have a beta?
 
I have Windows XP, I don't think MSVC11 runs on that, right?
 
Xeo
Damn, I need to reboot in order for it to finish installing
 
cu later then :)
 
hmmm... why would it not run under XP, I wonder?
 
Xeo
11:03 PM
@FredOverflow I think they actually dropped their XP support with that version
I remember hearing it somewhere
 
me too
 
yes, but what does that mean in terms of grey-hat "compatibility"?
 
@FredOverflow even if it runs on winXP, compiled programs will not
 
Xeo
Another reason to get Win7, really now. WinXP is dead
 
MSVC11 is not exactly necessary now, is it?
 
11:04 PM
no
 
Xeo
Full stdlib support
No new language features though
 
shouldn't stdlib have been supported fully as it is? hence "standard"?
 
Yeeey, I got games from Steam gift thingy.
Too bad I already own them.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Which ones?
 
11:06 PM
Holiday Sale 2011 Gift: Overlord Complete Pack
 
Xeo
@ShotgunNinja New C++11 standard
it came out in august, so it really is no surprise that there was no full stdlib support
 
ah. I must be behind the times.
last update I familiarized with was C++0x
 
Xeo
That's C++11's inofficial name before the ISO committee finalized the standard in august
 
Same thing. 0x was "we don't know when we finish this thing" codename.
It was supposed to be out before 2010.
 
user406009
C++0x is also a much cooler name.
 
user406009
11:08 PM
Sounds futuristic.
 
did they clean it up any? I remember thinking that a lot of stuff seemed kludgy and patched-in.
maybe I'm biased, though.
 
It's C++.
Of course they didn't.
 
user406009
Some parts were done well.
 
user406009
lambda's and rvalue's are done well.
 
11:10 PM
Sadly, concepts were dropped.
 
Xeo
lambdas are not so well done
I want my polymorphic lambdas
 
@Xeo Though I certainly feel Win7 sucked a lot less than the 4-6 versions preceding it, it was most definitely a big relief to replace my carefully built but maltunctioningWin7 virtual machine by an XP installation a few months ago :)
 
concepts struck me as kind of a pipedream, though...
 
user406009
@Xeo Shove your lambda's in a std::function
 
@ShotgunNinja That's strikes me as hind-sight pedantry, really.
 
Xeo
11:12 PM
@EthanSteinberg That's not what I meant
polymorphic means templated arguments really
 
@Xeo Yes please. I think we can all go cheer for it over at cppnext.com
 
Xeo
something like [](auto x){ x += 2; } works on every type where +=(int) is defined
 
@sehe Wow... went to look up pedantry, the last link on the Wiki page references Asperger's Syndrome... -_-
 
hi
at this rate, I'll have finished inventing WideC before MSVC supports C++11
 
11:14 PM
@DeadMG Tried looking up WideC, got wisconsindec.org/cms/index.php
 
@Xeo You know, Win7 for whatever reason refused to run VS2008/VS2010 - not even the express editions. Go figure. WinXP footed the bill, though the performance of intellisense (should be disabled anyway) is bad due to missing oleaut updates in WinXP 64 - just my luck. WinXP 32 got served an update, just WinXP 64 got left behind on that one. Urfff
 
Xeo
@sehe Err, then you did something wrong. I'm on Win7 here, running VS2010 and 2008.
 
@Xeo Same here. Actually, I'm on Windows 8 :P
@ShotgunNinja You won't find anything about it online.
 
Xeo
Doesn't that have that horrible UI?
 
yep
but Windows 7 dies the instant it comes into contact with my graphics card
 
11:16 PM
@DeadMG Still, it might prompt a name change. Funny, too, that I'm in Wisconsin.
 
@DeadMG I'm sure :) Though it can't have been much I did wrong, since I don't use Windows :)
 
@ShotgunNinja What, that you can't find a language which hasn't been invented yet?
why would I care about what you find when you try to find a language which, for all intents and purposes, does not currently exist?
 
@Xeo If you mean, it moves without requiring a GPU that is more powerful than my web/mailserver... Yes! It is really quite fast
 
@sehe That's really not saying much.
 
@DeadMG All right, I was joking around, jeez. I'm sorry I struck a bad chord.
 
11:18 PM
@ShotgunNinja It's not so much that I didn't find it funny, more that it was complete and utter nonsense
 
true.
 
nor did I find it offensive
you'll notice that when I dislike something I tend to be rather explicit about it
 
fair enough.
 
Offloading UI onto GPU is a good thing, not a bad thing.
 
sbi hates it
according to him, I think that everything is a pile of shit
 
11:19 PM
@ShotgunNinja Huh. I just looked up 'Relevance' and the last external reference dates from October, 1993
 
which isn't entirely accurate, I just have a low opinion of most things
 
lol, I've worked with people like that, doesn't bother me.
@sehe touche.
 
like LLVM
what the fuck were they thinking not shipping a linker?
I don't want the fucking GCC toolchain to produce executable programs
 
Xeo
Send them one. :P
 
and standalone linkers are less common than fucking low-interest loans
 
user406009
11:20 PM
gold linker?
 
@DeadMG That would be... GNU binutils, not GCC toolchain?
 
what's the difference?
 
@DeadMG It doesn't come with, or use/require gcc?
 
you have to dick around for hours to make them work on Windows, if it's even possible, and they involve shitty makefiles and configuring and endless bullshit
 
if I had to guess, I'd say separation of the platform from the language.
 
11:21 PM
it's not "link this .lib, call this function, and you're done"
it's "dick around endlessly and dick your customers around endlessly for absolutely no fucking purpose whatsoever because we never heard of the idea of a consistent platform"
 
None of these problems really manifested themselves in my use of clang++/llvm-gcc
 
also, just about anything involving GNU requires a fair amount of fiddling, am I right?
 
probably because if you're not a Windows user then you already had to spend hours dicking around just to get your OS to boot
 
well, if not done regularly and/or professionally.
 
so it takes sympathy on you
 
11:22 PM
The key phrase being "fair amount"
 
not at all fair
 
well, it's a matter of opinion.
 
Windows -> one platform, it requires one DLL
 
It is fair if you use a distro. apt-get and done. I can't find much fault with it.
I can get up and running from bare scratch in < 20 minutes using the minimal debian installer and a regular internet connection
 
then comes Win8
"supports everything!"
 
11:23 PM
@ShotgunNinja That won't change. All the new Win8 stuff is for tablets. Nothing will change on the desktop.
 
true, except perhaps the WDDM updates, which mostly only affect tablets/phones anyway.
 
ha, let's try again, hello all
I totally got distracted
lol
 
@DeadMG link.exe?
 
@TonyTheLion ohai
 
hi
what's going on?
 
11:24 PM
@Abyx So now I ask my customers to have Visual Studio instead?
hardly fucking independence
if I ship a compiler, I mean "Download my one application, and then enter some code, and then you get an executable."
 
why MSVS? windows SDK is enough
 
anything else is pointless shitting around
 
Xeo
Like I said, build your own and add it to llvm
 
well... all those games under Windows that ask for MSVC Runtime updates?
 
@Xeo Build my own linker?
 
Xeo
11:25 PM
@DeadMG compiler != including linker, really now
 
oh, this is a tool, not a typical application, nevermind
 
@Xeo It takes source code. It outputs an .exe file. Beyond that, I really don't give a shit.
 
lol, have fun debugging?
 
that's LLVM's job
 
also there is polink and maybe other linkers
 
11:26 PM
oh wait, Windows.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I mean, the reason that llvm got started is because Apple was fucking fed up with the gcc compilation, not the linking
 
well I don't give a flying fuck why it got started
 
what's wrong with GCC?
not one fuck was given...
 
@Xeo No, it started because of GCC's license.
 
11:27 PM
idk, I'm fluent in x86 thanks to a college buddy...
 
Xeo
Hey @sbi, gotten home without problems?
 
not even on the last day of the year....
 
I care that it wants to offer me a native toolchain and then decides it can't be fucking arsed to actually offer a toolchain
 
Making it better is a side effect.
 
sbi
@FredOverflow Actually, I was closer to @Xeo's.
 
11:27 PM
@DeadMG You don't seem to give many fucks at all, now do you :)
 
heh
 
sbi
@Xeo Yup. S3, S9, home.
 
I don't receive many, so I don't give many :P
 
@DeadMG is the ultimate of "not giving one single fuck"
2
lulz
 
well, as usual, these things arise because of politics, not qualities...
 
Xeo
11:28 PM
@TonyTheLion "not given a single fuck" FTFY
 
what's code compilation got to do with politics?
fucks are given ....
 
the question is the reverse.
 
only sometimes
 
what does politics have to do with code compilation?
 
lol
or, if you're Silvio Burlusconi, often
 
11:29 PM
hahahah
 
a single fuck not having been given, time decided to continue down the same path
 
and if you're Kim Jong-Il, you're dead
it's true, time does not give a fuck if you don't give a fuck or give one anyways... time continues, fucks given or not
 
you know
 
Ah, you bought that :) No he just wanted a holiday and thought he'd enjoy a little 'watch your own funeral' for fun and giggles
 
it's no wonder native languages suck
there's no decent support for them
 
11:30 PM
hmmm
 
inb4 ObjC...
 
if you want to invent the next enforced-GC language, you can do JVM or CLR and get oodles of support for any platform, instant Standard libraries, etc
 
I like fasm
 
if you want to invent another native language, wtf are you gonna do?
Microsoft don't ship any meaningful assistance in that regard
 
do everything from scratch?
 
Xeo
11:31 PM
@sehe Wut?
 
I don't think there's much point in inventing a new native language
 
and going begging to GCC is nearly as bad
 
all you need is pe_coff.doc
 
@TonyTheLion C++ sucks donkey dick, in case you hadn't noticed
 
lol, bashing C++ in a C++ chatroom.
 
sbi
11:32 PM
@Xeo Indeed, very nice chat we had. Thank you!
 
@DeadMG well, it does what I need it to do
for now anywawys
 
but it could do it a lot faster and a lot better for a lot less effort
 
@sbi hah, now you know the mystery...
 
welp, back to C.
 
the one that has kept this room in suspension for years...
 
sbi
11:32 PM
@TonyTheLion ??
 
@DeadMG well, if you want faster, just write asm then
 
sbi
2 hours ago, by sbi
BTW, I'm sitting here with @Xeo, and he is, from the look of him, indeed quite male. :)
This one?
 
@sbi yes
 
@TonyTheLion that hasn't actually been faster for a long time, in effort or resultant code execution speed
 
@DeadMG so then I guess the language isn't the issue, but the code you write
 
11:33 PM
yep.
 
cause if asm can't do it faster, then it either won't go any faster or it's not written to be as fast as it can...
 
@TonyTheLion The language is every issue. #include?
 
nah, it's the hardware.
 
@DeadMG but include isn't at the level where code executes, that's long resolved by then, yes include is annoying, I give you that
 
Xeo
11:34 PM
@sbi That reminds me, here is the answer I mentioned.
 
@TonyTheLion It's fucking irritating and pointless. Declarations and definitions should be dead.
and then there's the grammar
and similar things
 
@DeadMG you do have a point
 
those are nothing to do with assembler, they're everything to do with the fact that C++ sucks donkey dick
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Is this room even older than 1.5 years?
 
@DeadMG well, I don't know enough about grammars in that sense to give you a sensible opinion here
@sbi to me it feels older, I've been here FOREVER
@DeadMG you could make it suck another dick too... if you don't like donkey :P
 
11:36 PM
rofl
 
so we're debating the uselessness of a large part of what makes C++ what it is, in a C++ chatroom.
 
or even suck pussy!!!
 
sbi
@Xeo Ugh, code. I guess I'm too tired now, but I made this 242nd open tab to look at Real Soon Now™. :( Feel free to remind me...
 
@ShotgunNinja that's the C++ room for ya
 
@ShotgunNinja That's not new here :D
 
user406009
11:36 PM
I thought C++ was going to get modules?
 
nope, cut
 
Xeo
@sbi Heh
 
@ShotgunNinja Using C++ means hating C++.
It's par for the course.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yes, but that applies to all programming languages, am I right?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I'm sure Kipling has written something about that somewhere Goes off to the book shelfs...
 
11:37 PM
guess I haven't used C++ long enough to feel the hate yet
 
user406009
Screw the committee. We needed modules and lambda rvalue capture.
 
@ShotgunNinja Where else? You can go bash C++ in a php room, but it's not like anyone would really appreciate it
 
Xeo
I wonder if it would actually be possible for a native language to seperate the private and public parts of a class without pimpl. To instantiate a class, you need to know its size, to allocate the necessary space. If you'd detach the private parts from the public parts, you'd not be able to instantiate it. I'm sure I'm overlooking something, though.
 
@sehe point taken.
 
user406009
@Xeo You need dynamic allocation for that to work.
 
11:38 PM
@Xeo The problem is textual inclusion. In WideC you can do that fine- it's called a private accessibility modifier.
 
@sbi I have NO IDEA about Kipling
 
user406009
@Xeo, Wait, how the heck does alloca work?
 
user406009
Perhaps alloca could be hacked to give us sizeless stuff.
 
@EthanSteinberg Not a solution. You can't alloca space into a vector.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Well, my problem is more about include model, if I think about it. Change a private part, and you need to recompile where you don't even use it
 
sbi
11:38 PM
@TonyTheLion Yes, you do. I bet you have seen what Disney has done to him raping his Jungle Books.
 
@sbi oh lol
 
@Xeo Yes, exactly. #include is the problem. The solution is a language without it- namely, the one I'm currently inventing ;p
 
Xeo
I am wondering how modules actually work though
 
@DeadMG Ha, I knew you would mention that.
 
I'm looking forward to this WideC's debut.
 
11:39 PM
in twenty years from now, we'll all be programming in DeadMG++ :P
 
of course, I mention it all the time, why wouldn't I?
 
user406009
@Xeo Probably dynamic memory all the way through ala Java.
 
nah, we're trending towards easier language names.
 
most of my programming projects stop because I lose enthusiasm or can't progress
 
Xeo
@EthanSteinberg Err... not.
 
11:40 PM
but now I've got the skill and every line of code I write reinforces my motivation for writing it
 
most of my programming projects stop because I lose interest
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion 'In August was the Jackal bom; The Rains fell in September; “Now such a fearful flood as this,” Says he, “I can't remember!”'
As always, asking google is faster than going to your book shelf... :(
 
hahah
 
@TonyTheLion Same here.
 
so what's everyone doing tomo eve?
 
user406009
11:41 PM
@Xeo Anyways, if you really care you can make everything into an interface with shared_ptr and you can have recompile-free whatever now.
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Stealing fireworks from little kids and throwing it at them
 
probably sleeping; have a flight the next morning...
 
@EtiennedeMartel the problem is, that I have interest in so many areas, I can't ever make up my mind which I want to really dig deep into
 
Xeo
@EthanSteinberg without pimpl. Also, it should be unique_ptr
 
@ShotgunNinja TipC would seem like a nice name
 
11:42 PM
Cyber Security seems to have some future, but it's fucking difficult
 
Pimpl is not that bad as far as workarounds go.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Given that I have been active on Usenet for almost a decade, and stopped being there all the time more than half a decade ago, calling this chat "old" feels much worse than a little stretch of the meaning of that attribute.
 
(fondly named after the alleged druggedness of the languages' designer at the time)
 
and you need a lot of damn patience, not my best quality
 
Yes, we got the joke.
 
Xeo
11:43 PM
@CatPlusPlus It requires memory allocation though.
 
oh hoh hoh
 
@Xeo Everything requires memory allocation.
 
make everything a single growable heap/pool
 
Xeo
+dynamic
 
done atop syscalls of malloc
 
11:43 PM
Preallocate the heap and it's suddenly just like the stack.
 
@sbi oh I see... well, I'm much younger then you, so I guess I look at things differently in terms of time
 
Yeah, this chat is not old, it's fun.
 
Xeo
I actually implemented an impl_buffer that didn't need dynamic allocation. It used static buffers, but it instantiated like a thousand of them at startup time :D
 
owait, that's what JVM/CRL do?
 
To paraphrase Yahtzee, I'd say it's "full of win" but then I'd have to strangle myself.
 
sbi
11:44 PM
@TonyTheLion Yeah, you being the jackal is exactly what Kipling wrote about. :)
 
Stack really isn't some magical place in memory where unicorns roam.
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I think I've been here pretty much from the inception of this room, well, close enough
 
@CatPlusPlus No, that would be the heap.
 
the inception? You mean this chat room exists within another chat room, which exists... [shortened]
 
@CatPlusPlus oh really, yea that's right, it's where we talk about sex and porn and sometimes we mention programming :P
 
11:45 PM
@TonyTheLion you've whitnessed the singular point in time when it appearred out of nowhere?
 
hi. i just started coding with c and need some style suggestions. which one is better: "int p", "int p"?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Oh, so would you please improve the section on the room's history in the newbie hints? My memory is hazy and I was late to the party. Evil Grin #9.
 
Stroustrup put pen to paper?
 
@sehe well not quite, I appeared after the hard work had been done
 
user406009
@utdemir Use backticks(`) around code
 
11:46 PM
@TonyTheLion FTFY: it's where we talk about pornt and programming and sometimes we mention sex :P
 
@utdemir If you find a compiler that for which italics matter, then call me, because that's pretty fucking impressive.
 
sorry. 'int p' or 'int p'?
 
@sbi afaik I was here after you... so you were closer to inception
 
Two dynamic allocation performance hits are heap management and actually requesting pages from the OS. With the latter being the more expensive one.
 
isnt it a backtick...
 
11:46 PM
Backtick is the tick that leans backwards.
`
 
@sehe euh, maybe you do that, but I mention Sex ALL THE TIMES
 
int *p or int* p
 
sbi
@EthanSteinberg Address users with @, and messages by their idea. Read the newbie hints. // @utdemir
 
thanks.
 
Oh. that.
 
11:46 PM
@utdemir Same thing, just a matter of style.
 
talking about porn, sometimes mentioning sex. Sounds like every conversation I have about my sex life.
 
Personally I say int * p.
 
@TonyTheLion Sorry, I thought that was programming.
 
Space on both side. Shuts the whiners up.
 
11:47 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Now that's ugly.
 
personally, I'd prefer shared_ptr<int> p
 
@CatPlusPlus Tututu.
 
I do it contextually.
 
sbi
@EtiennedeMartel Makes both sides hate you.
 
And probably mix both.
 
11:47 PM
int_p p;
 
Xeo
ptr<int> p; for raw pointers, really.
 
Unnecessary complexity?
 
I don't really pay attention.
 
Xeo
template<class T>
using ptr = T*;
 
welp, back to C again.
 
11:48 PM
i'm actually using c, just c++ room has more users :)
 
sbi
@utdemir I think there's a question about that on SO, BTW.
 
don't!
 
hahaha, sounds like the reason I learned C++ to begin with.
 
@sbi, thanks, looking to it
have a nice day everyone
thanks again
 
11:48 PM
I actually use C more often, it's just that C++ has the C userbase and the C++ userbase.
 
I can't code in C, I value my time too much.
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yes have a nice day.
 
@utdemir Yeah, we get Java questions as well for that exact reason.
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Why are you sending the @Cat away?
 
agreed, I start in C, then move to C++ if I can't express what I want to do.
 
11:49 PM
@CatPlusPlus having been coding C a lot lately, I SO know what you mean :)
 
Xeo
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Q: C++: Asterisks and Pointers

Michael StumI've recently decided that I just have to finally learn C/C++, and there is one thing I do not really understand about pointers or more precisely, their definition. How about these examples: int* test; int *test; int * test; int* test,test2; int *test,test2; int * test,test2; Now, to my und...

 
@TonyTheLion I see what you did there.
 
@sbi huh?
 
Xeo
Also interesting:
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Q: Why is it thought of 'T *name' to be the C way and 'T* name' to be the C++ way?

XeoNote: This question is about the position of the asterisk (*). In most C code I see (e.g., in Beej's guide to network programming), all variable declarations / definitions use the T *name format, i.e., bind the * to the variable name. The pointer is thought of belonging to the variable, not the ...

 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: it's where we talk about pornt and programming and sometimes we mention sex [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
11:50 PM
But yeah, real men don't use pointers.
 
You broke my topic. :(
 
@DeadMG pornt?
 
sbi
1 min ago, by Cat Plus Plus
I can't code in C, I value my time too much.
 
I had to some ARM assembler too lately, that's at least somewhat easier then X86 asm
 
sbi
1 min ago, by Tony The Lion
yes have a nice day.
 
11:50 PM
no, Porn<T>
Rule 34
 
Burnt porn.
Pornt.
 
sbi
@DeadMG Uh oh. This is gonna be a problem with the meta police.
 
there is Porn<Everything>
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: it's where we talk about Porn<T> and programming and sometimes we mention sex [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq]
 
There you go
 
11:51 PM
I'm honored.
 
YES, porn should be a template, because of rule34, why didn't I think of that?!!!
 
@sbi Yeah, well
 
MBI is gonna descend on us.
 
@TonyTheLion Because you still have very much to learn, young Padawan
 
I'd like to see the declaration of Everything. Does it have a virtual destructor? Does instantiating Porn<> of it require definition of Everything to be complete?
 
11:52 PM
if we don't give them an excuse to get their policing on every now and then, they'd get bored
 
sbi
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Q: Is mentioning sex ok or is it not?

sbiAfter we had a discussion about sex on the Internet in Stack Overflow's C++ chat room yesterday, the room description was changed to something mentioning sex. Before you think you discovered something held back by me, I did this particular change, but it's by no means the first time sex was ...

 
@sehe Everything is a God class. You only see that in Java.
 
and police us for minor things
 
@sbi FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT THAT THREAD!!!
 
@EtiennedeMartel You mean "a god, Object"?
 
sbi
11:53 PM
@ShotgunNinja I, too, object to the idea of a god class.
 
No. I mean it's probably a crapleton.
 
@sehe Porn only has a private destructor. It cannot be destroyed from the outside :P
 
Everythington.
 
@sbi You Object?
 
Stay classy.
 
11:53 PM
Stylish.
 
Class<Y>
 
@TonyTheLion It can only be?
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Got me 146 rep on meta, so it wasn't totally bad, you know. :-/
 
@sehe porn
 
11:54 PM
@sbi Oh by the way, I think you'll find this minor story somewhat satisfying
 
everything big_bang(int);
 
@sbi oh, do I detect some inner rep whore speaking?
 
I spent ten days trying to track down a bug in my concurrent collation code which I couldn't find for the life of me
then it turned out that I made some utterly unrelated mistake
didn't read the specification of unordered_map<K, V>::insert properly
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion I don't have an inner rep whore. I were my rep whoring on the outside.
 
@sbi meta rep?
 
11:55 PM
@DeadMG "Concurrent"? Look everywhere.
 
@TonyTheLion huh? He said 'private destructor' than added 'cannot be destroyed from the inside'. Dunno what private means in his compiler?
 
Meta, not even once.
3
 
@sehe it says outside now, READ!
 
Meta, even this acronym
 
11:55 PM
@ShotgunNinja It had absolutely nothing to do with the concurrency.
that's why I found it so hard to find
 
@DeadMG Does it ever?
 
@TonyTheLion ffs. evil edits
 
I don't know
 
my life is meta
 
everytime I've done concurrent programming of any type, it's given me grief for unrelated crap.
 
11:56 PM
but this sure didn't
 
Also TVTropes.
 
I have a meta life.... donno what that means
 
sbi
@DeadMG I'm not sure why you suspect me of finding it satisfying that you young folks seem to be unable to read a spec before you get hacking.
 
@sbi I thought that it would amuse you that I spent my time looking at the hard stuff and missing the obvious
 
11:56 PM
@sbi lol, just being young and unexperienced I guess
 
@CatPlusPlus Yessssss.
 
I did read the spec, just not paying enough attention :P
 
I'd like to absorb all criticisms for being young and unexperienced here.
 
I know that feeling.... I spent a whole afternoon looking for a bug once, and it turned out to be a space too much in a .ini file that was parsed wrongly
 
I finally noticed when I changed it back to serial code
 
11:58 PM
@ShotgunNinja Well you could evoke more of that type of learning by mentioning that you prefer to use C more often :)
 
and then it still didn't work
 
@sehe Ah, but my preferences don't always match what my projects force me to use...
 
@DeadMG Luckily for you, you have proper source control and it was easy to cherry-pick the ultimate fix and do a regression test on both branches
 
actually, I did go back and look in my source control
 
I spent a day looking for a bug once, but it turned out I wasn't really paying attention to the code at all.
 
11:59 PM
I tested the serial version to check that it worked before parallelising it
 
@CatPlusPlus That's called Black-Box testing, isn't it?
 
but the serial version used iterators and the parallel version used insert
 
That's called "someone else will do it".
 
and I had the branches the wrong way round
 

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