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5:00 PM
i did
okay, so whats 'cat rent'?
 
> Cats Allowed
$20 Deposit
$20 Monthly Pet Rent
$150 Fee
2 Pet Limit
YOU DON'T RENT A CAT
YOU PAY RENT FOR YOUR CAT
xD
 
lol NO THEY RENT CATS
 
LOL STEVE PLS
 
okay, theres a slim chance i might be wrong
:p
 
omg I'm loling
How did you even reach this conclusion lol
 
5:01 PM
lmaom, i believe you all now
 
but seriously, 3 separate fee's for cats, and one is 'cat rent', what do you think ppeople will think
 
And I forget a lot on how to code, lolololol
how i loop codez
 
yeah i got it
just the nomenclature threw me off, i was like hhuuhhhhh
 
@Steve you're the best
 
5:03 PM
:p
 
Lemme find something contextually relevant to star
So we can ridicule you for days
 
lmao i'll sex your mother
idk, it's funny :p
 
Sheesh you guys kick ppl now?
Feels badman.
 
well, don't come in trying to troll
 
Lol
Steve da bouncer
 
5:04 PM
lol not trolling.
I used to be a regular on here :/
I am dumb tho.
 
So an oven is like an external, communal stomach.
 
Ive been gone for a few months lul.
 
idk
i was busy working
 
Had some problems in life, etc.
Now I'm here.
 
that sucks token
 
5:05 PM
rdy to learn.
 
Just a thought I had today.
 
i'm going through a lot of shit now too
sucks
 
It's all good, I'm back on track, I got the girl, etc.
 
great :D
 
but then I opened something I worked on a few months ago and I was like LOLWOT
Forget so much from not practicing/reading.
 
5:06 PM
yeah that'll happen
i need to find an apt with a washer/dryer
 
arr
Go home now or stay and try and do work for another hour ...
 
@Sippy I dont know but I feel like that has terrible bad idea written all over it. Areas are supposed to be huge, thats why they are like an entirely new MVC project within your current MVC project.
Plus.. KISS and all that
 
@VictorioBerra I just think like
I need to get my head around it.
I'll read up on em later
Might try and make something out of them tomorrow
I feel like I need a more simplistic way of organising my MVC projects cos they get a bit ridiculous when you have a shit load of partials all over the place.
 
I hate partials
 
@ton.yeung Sound
 
5:12 PM
mutter mutter mutter
 
:D
@Squiggle I love em
That's gonna come up twice.
stupid timeouts
 
Do I still use Itemsource when binding a data grid view?
 
Yes
Whats wrong with partials?
 
:D
D:
 
Starred for supreme witticism.
 
5:15 PM
It's just one of those irrational hatreds I have. Like plastic bags stuck in trees, or water towers.
Christ I hate water towers.
 
A water tower is an elevated structure supporting a water tank constructed at a height sufficient to pressurize a water supply system for the distribution of potable water, and to provide emergency storage for fire protection. In some places, the term standpipe is used interchangeably to refer to a water tower, especially one with tall and narrow proportions. Water towers often operate in conjunction with underground or surface service reservoirs, which store treated water close to where it will be used. Other types of water towers may only store raw (non-potable) water for fire protection ...
 
Seeya nerds o/
 
This may be a dumb question, but why do this:
        do
        {
            bytesRead = inputStream.Read(buffer, 0, buffer.Length);
            outputStream.Write(buffer, 0, bytesRead);
        } while (bytesRead != 0);
Why not just do

while(bytesRead != 0)
     // Do shit
 
Priming read
One of the best uses of do/while actually
 
@BradleyDotNET Hm, didn't realize.
 
5:22 PM
Of course, you could just copy paste the two lines above the standard while loop
but then you have copy-pasted code
Any time you are setting a variable that your condition will check inside the loop, do-while is a reasonable option
Assuming you want the check to happen after the first execution of the loop code of course :)
 
Couldn't you also just do inputStream.CopyTo(outputStream)?
 
lol, probably
 
Just making sure I wasn't oblivious.
 
What's up guys!
 
Not much, working.
 
5:37 PM
I'm gonna file my taxes today! Woohoo!
 
@Greg Cool, what u working on?
 
why can't you undo vote, or change vote before question is edited?
 
@SpencerRuport lol. You sound excited? Expecting a big return lol?
@NETscape Maybe it's to reduce cost of bandwidth?
or reduce load on server?
 
Not a big one. But enough to get me excited. :)
 
Ah shit how'd I end up back in here
I mean
HI GUYS
 
5:41 PM
This is the first time in about 4 years I've gotten anything back
 
i'd like to rent a cat.
 
Can anyone suggest a Visual Studio tool to update javascript code on deployment?
 
@SpencerRuport awesome :) I can't wait til I'm working again. I miss having money lol. I'm studying atm.
 
@VictorioBerra - What do you mean "update javascript code"?
@Jase - What are you studying?
 
@SpencerRuport I was studying Bachelor of IT (Programming) at RMIT, but the lecturer there was ... um... not understandable. So now I'm doing Diploma System Admin and also Diploma Website Development
 
5:44 PM
@Jase - Nice. What classes are you taking?
 
@SpencerRuport for the sys admin one I'm taking sustainability, systems maintanence, systems security, disaster contingency, network solutions, and they even threw in some copyright and oh&s classes in there :/
i'm disappointed with the outline for the web dev course though. i don't see the point in web dev courses to be honest - not if this is a true indication of what they're like.
 
@Jase - What are you learning in sustainability?
@Jase - Why don't you see a point to the web dev courses?
 
@Jase I get the feeling that given the spread of types of people going to school for IT related items, many schools try to accommodate everyone and sometimes it can feel like some of the courses are weak
I felt that way getting my Bachelor's, but now I'm working on my Master's and I feel that the courses are now geared to the level of people who want to learn more than the basics
 
I haven't started the sustainability one yet. but what i mean by not seeing a point in the web dev course is just what @NewProgrammerJames said; it feels weak. I've had 10+ years exp developing personal websites/databases and desktop apps because i had nothing better to do in my spare time. so with all this self-taught knowledge i've got from over the years this course feels extremely weak. i finished 4 units in less than one month (that's about 40 assignments)
 
Anyone know System.Reactive?
 
5:52 PM
@NewProgrammerJames ah, maybe i should do bachelors next. i'm already 30 though. I also feel like time's running out lol, so maybe i should just get work after these diploma's
 
I'm 32 and I just finish my Bachelor's last year and started my Master's last year... I feel it's worth it
finished*
 
@Jase - With all that experience I would suggest speaking with the professors. Sometimes (but not always) they're willing to sign off on you skipping the class.
Might give you some room to sign up for a more advanced class.
 
I agree with @SpencerRuport They might be able to put you in more advanced classes
 
@NewProgrammerJames hmm, definitely something i'm thinking about. i would like to study more.
 
Some professors are really reluctant to allow you to do that but even just one class can save you a lot of time.
 
5:54 PM
morning kids
 
If it matter's I'm working full time too... my life sucks right now, but, it's worth it. I got a good promotion at work when I got my Bachelor's and I'll probably get another good one when I get my master's
 
What's your degree in @NewProgrammerJames?
 
one thing i'm afraid of though is being put in an advanced class that's too advanced for me and then struggling/failing. because i'm self-taught. i only taught myself what i needed to know/wanted to do - plus the basics. my 10+ years knowledge would prob be way less than someone who studied for a few years at bachelor level and did some work on the side as a job
 
I got a Bachelor's in IT, and I'm working on a Master's in Software Engineering
 
5:56 PM
@Jase - Well that's what the professors can help you figure out.
 
@NewProgrammerJames oh that sounds pretty good. you find it easy to find that job?
@SpencerRuport hmm, i think i might just do that. speak with my prof next week.
 
I kind of lucked out with the job, I started as a Help Desk Technician for the company I am with and I saw an opening as a programmer at my company. They hired me because I was close to finishing my Bachelor's
so I haven't really had to do much of a job search
 
heh, that's some pretty good luck lol
 
I consider myself lucky... my company is pretty awesome
 
i made a portfolio of (personal) projects that i've done as a way to show what i am capable of... i've been looking for a web dev role for years and not a single bite
 
5:59 PM
Have you been actively sending out your resume to places?
 
@ton.yeung can you eleborate on that a bit?
@NewProgrammerJames yeah, like around 10 resumes a day for weeks at a time
 
@Jase Converting a Html Page into a PDF through two different systems.
 
@Jase are you customizing your resume to the job you are applying for?
When I do send a resume out, I generally get a call at the very least... but I make sure to make each resume tailored to the job I'm applying for
 
@NewProgrammerJames Of course. I don't do generic resumes. I find it a little weird. I hate generic scripts read to me over the phone when i call support, so why would i do that to somebody else?
 
I only asked because I know that some people I know were doing that and it didn't work for them
 
6:01 PM
@Jase No offense, but maybe your portfolio isnt good?
 
@NewProgrammerJames i usually get automated responses saying something along the lines of "thank you for applying for... we have received your application..." and then nothing after that. and if I call after some time to see if they're interested, they tell me they've either hired someone or i wasn't successful
 
@Jase also consider looking for a job below your level... that's how I got started at my company... I took a very entry level help desk position, and then moved up quickly once they realized I was above that
 
@CharlieBrown yeah, maybe :) I have been seriously considering making my projects open source or even public domain and put them on github. i don't plan on using them, but personally i think there's some really good stuff
 
that would be a start
Even better would be to deploy them to somewhere so people can look at them as a demo
No one wants to read through code, esp hiring managers
 
Also... consider volunteering time doing IT work, that helps a resume as well, while it isn't paid, it is experience
 
6:04 PM
@NewProgrammerJames yeahthat sounds like a good idea. i did try that for a little while. but i felt too bad. i couldn't even get a job that i didn't want (although help desk would suit me just fine - for a while)
oh... it places accept volunteers? heh, i'd never heard of that! thanks, i'm going to make some calls in the morning.
 
I know that there are "FreeGeek" places that spend time getting old machines ready for Non-Profits, and they can often times use programmers/dev's for various projects
 
@CharlieBrown I did sign up for an azure account the other week. I did plan on releasing my custom controls for winforms but i just haven't been bothered to make the website yet (www.jase.website)
@NewProgrammerJames oh thanks, is this limited only to certain countries? where are you from?
 
I'm in the US... I honestly haven't looked outside the US... so I'm of no use there
 
i did a search for it in australia, and i think i see something in perth
there's bound to be something like that over here though
@ton.yeung functional.. like Haskell? I've done some stuff in haskell.
heh, i've always wanted to use f# for something, but when i see it in the list there in visual studio, my eyes scroll up about 2 cm's and see c# then i click c#as usual
i've read a lot of f# being very mathematical-like... i think maybe that's what's kept me away from it. or maybe i just don't want to get out of my comfort zone with c# unless i need to
also, i have no idea what these are lol: gang of 4, solid, ddd, soa <<< are they like... gangs or something?
Ohhh, lol. Ok. Yeah that makes good sense.
what kinda stuff should you be making in f# anyway? from what i've read it doesn't seem to be a general purpose language like c#. i don't remember, but i have this feeling its more specialized toward something
@ton.yeung oh, i see. ohhh, come to think of it. i did see an option to create a winforms f# project. i think.
now i'm curious. i have to have a look
yep, understood
i can't believe how minimalistic a basic console app is in f# compared to c#:

// Learn more about F# at http://fsharp.org
// See the 'F# Tutorial' project for more help.

[<EntryPoint>]
let main argv =
printfn "%A" argv
0 // return an integer exit code
this reminds me of another language i played around with years ago.
thanks lol
that's what turns me off about python (indentation and lack of semicolons and braces)
also i don't like one thing about javascript and most other languages... they dont have proper casing like Microsoft's languages do... LikeThis() - some of them have thisInstead() it feels dirty
 
6:26 PM
indeed
Unity is even worse, they are C# and do that :(
 
yeah, i know it's good to know, that's all i've ever heard and read but i still can't bring myself to do anything in it
@BradleyDotNET Yes!!!!! why do they do that?!?!
It's like.. they said C#...... but then it turns out to be more like javascript or something
hmmm
@ton.yeung int height = Screen.PrimaryScreen.WorkingArea.Height; < they need to be capitalized. but with unity and um, the other one i was talking about, they start their methods with lowercase letters with some languages. i find that a bit weird
@ton.yeung that is good advice
@ton.yeung doesn't need to be :) it's just my personal preference. and it's just like... i dunno... i think it's an ocd thing as well, maybe partially... But when i'm writing in c# every variable must beLikeThis; or string name = String.Empty; and not string name = string.Empty; i know they don't need to be that way but it feels weird when they're not
 
it is small stuff. and if i was at work i wouldn't complain about it, cause it is small stuff. but when i'm at home i like to be able to enjoy things more
 
I turned that off on my old phone. I was under the impression that phone settings were remembered by your google account.
I didn't anticipate I'd have to turn it off again
 
hahaha
it's crazy how the world is turning out
hey
lol
i wonder
 
6:36 PM
I apologize if this is off-topic. I have a really urgent question. Thank you.
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Q: Unable to access localhost from x-ms-webview

MoosemanI have this code in my WinJS default.html: <x-ms-webview src="http://localhost/"></x-ms-webview> <x-ms-webview src="http://display/"></x-ms-webview> <x-ms-webview src="http://192.168.1.2/"></x-ms-webview> display is defined in the hosts file: 127.0.0.1 display and 192.168.1.2 -- the one tha...

 
if google knows when i take a dump? if it records movements... they can see that i went from this location (living room) to another location just a few meters away (the bathroom)
winjs i think is windows runtime think for ah html metro apps?
 
Double fuck
 
@ton.yeung I don't know how common permissions are between WinJS and C#.
 
Gotta love discussions with this guy. What should have been a 20m question turned into a 2h20m discussion on various mostly unrelated things.
 
@ton.yeung I'm the people making the software.
 
6:38 PM
yeah i do lol.
 
@ton.yeung No, WinJS is Microsoft. I just mean the app in question.
 
woo, lunch time
 
My company renewed our MSDN subscriptions but didn't let us use our own email accounts this time round...what they also did was register fake accounts that aren't the same as our company email addresses, and the authenticator that Visual Studio redirects to won't accept connections from outside the company
 
@KendallFrey what u gonna eat?
 
So I can't use VS2015 at home, on my MSDN account
fuck you, employer
 
6:39 PM
@Mooseman I'm having a look at your question. Don't get your hopes up though. I no longer remember much about winjs
 
@Jase Thank you so much!
 
@ton.yeung I think I'm going to have a hard time even getting someone to understand what the problem is
 
@Mooseman Why have display and localhost? It seems that both are using the same IP address, could that be the cause of the problem?
 
@NewProgrammerJames IIS is bound to *:80, so I don't think that's the issue. I've tried only loading one webview at a time.
 
@ton.yeung aah, you can change it. Phew.
wait, is the fact that the CTP is Ultimate mean that only Ultimate subscribers can use it?
 
6:45 PM
@Mooseman ok so I've read your question. I have some questions...
 
@Jase Ready
 
@Mooseman did you add Home or Work Networking capability?
 
@ton.yeung well it's broken then. It's demanding a licence when I start it and won't dismiss the modal dialog
How do you get one?
oh they've moved product keys, found it
'ask' how?
well it's my home machine, it's due a reformat anyway
I've got the download, it doesn't say anything there about keys or licences
I get the impression it's meant to just work
 
side by side installs?
yeah, should work just fine
I have VS2008, VS2010, VS2012, VS2013, VS2015 on this machine
 
6:50 PM
How do I make that go away?
 
Alt+F4
 
@TomW log out, use another outlook email account
 
Nope
 
How old is that install?
 
@Jase I haven't got another one. How would that help. anyway?
@JohnKoerner yesterday
 
6:51 PM
I.e. are you using CTP 5?
 
I have my outlook365 login from work, which is the one they've associated my MSDN account with, but that redirects to a login page that rejects me
 
@ton.yeung yeah, all MSDN
 
I've used the option on the account management page to associate a different account with that subscription but nothing happened
 
@Mooseman I think you may have bigger problems here. Do you plan on releasing this app to the Store? Because, unless this has changed, these Metro apps were not allowed to access localhost. And they wouldn't allow them past certification.
 
@Jase Just for sideloading.
 
6:53 PM
@Mooseman kk
 
ohhh wait. I remember
I have a VM in Azure with 2015 on it that I spun up months ago
doy!
do I really have to register a throwaway account if I want to use it?
 
what do you mean?
 

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