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8:00 PM
Good night
@HaltlolXD Slower impossible
 
@GabrielTomitsuka It took me 2 months to get the hang of Java.
 
@Unihedro Meh
I took longer
 
user4433485
Time to start to learn C#
 
user4433485
Any suggestion?
 
And I've been cpping over five years, always wished I had been doing something else.
 
8:01 PM
And still, I'm still a beginner
@HaltlolXD Since Codecademy is only for web languages, no. Buy a book
 
90% of the Top 100 native apps are ObjC driven <- doesn't convey why Obj-C is useful in general, only that it is popularly used in native apps
 
@Unihedro No language becomes popular between the biggies for no reason at all.
 
user4433485
How do you learn from books? do you learn while you sit on the couch or you sit at a table with your laptop next to you?
 
user4433485
I feel I am not learning effective from books
 
I don't read books. I write them.
 
user4433485
8:04 PM
and how you do you suggest your readers to learn?:p
 
@HaltlolXD With my programming environment open.
 
user4433485
Ah k :)
 
Sam
@HaltlolXD Just find an online tutorial you feel comfortable with.
 
user4433485
I've got a book for c#
 
user4433485
2008 tho..
 
8:05 PM
@Sam You'll get the inherence, classes, object-orientation and memory management best with books.
@HaltlolXD Sam is the C# specialist here.
 
Sam
@GabrielTomitsuka Books go out of date easily though.
 
3 hours ago, by Unihedro
Why you shouldn't be learning Java will be the name of my Java tutorial, @Gabriel.
 
I don't say that I do a language unless I made a project I felt proud of (I do know a lot of programming languages, but only do a few), and I don't say I'm good at a field unless I wrote a book about it or helped someone on something related that made him thank me.
 
3 hours ago, by Gabriel Tomitsuka
Javascript: Why shall you avoid it at all costs - by Unihedro
@Unihedro I'm good at ObjC, C++ and Javascript. That's it
@Sam True
Goodnight
Bye
 
I'm a demonic regex user.
Bye.
 
Sam
8:07 PM
Bye
 
@Sam Just. Buy. A. Recent. One.
If you don't take longer than a year, it will be fine
 
Sam
@GabrielTomitsuka By. A. Good. Author.
 
@HaltlolXD Outdated, C# has changed a lot in recent builds
 
Sam
^
 
It may still feature LINQ though
 
user4433485
8:08 PM
has it changed that much ? damn
 
@Sam And. Without. A. "Learn <Language> in 18 Days". Title.
 
The taverners recommended me a book for learning C#, lemme find it
 
Sam
@HaltlolXD Just ask Jon Skeet how to learn C#.
 
user4433485
I will read the book anyway, guess the basic and most syntax are the same
 
Sam
@GabrielTomitsuka And. By. Jon Skeet.
 
Sam
@HaltlolXD What do you know?
 
Sam
cough I knew it cough
 
@HaltlolXD What (computer usage) background are you from?
 
Sam
> Foreword by Eric Lippert
Never noticed that before.
 
user4433485
8:10 PM
I am mainly experienced with web
 
user4433485
html css javascript and php
 
Sam
So not much oop then?
 
user4433485
Nop
 
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Jon Skeet is a Senior Software Engineer at Google, and a highly visible participant of newsgroups, user groups, international conferences, and the Stack Overflow Q&A site. Jon spends much of his day coding in Java, but his heart belongs to C#.
 
Sam
* and dominates SO.
 
8:12 PM
@HaltlolXD Have time for a few quick questions so I can estimate your kudo level?
 
user4433485
bring it
 
Do you know your own favourite text editor to your heart's fullest?
 
user4433485
TextWrangler on OSX and NotePad++ for Windows
 
user4433485
are the Text Editors I have been using for couple years now
 
I mean, do you use and customize them well enough in your advantage?
 
user4433485
8:14 PM
Uhm depends
 
user4433485
NotePad ++, not really it was quite good
 
user4433485
TextWrangler well yes
 
Oh?
 
user4433485
had some annoying function on
 
Do you use source control?
 
user4433485
8:15 PM
no
 
user4433485
lazy :0
 
Do you fix bugs (problems) first before writing new code?
 
user4433485
if you mean debug, with if else statements
 
user4433485
Yes I do
 
Hmm
 
user4433485
8:17 PM
imagine I want the script to only say something when Bool = True
 
user4433485
I also do a else function for debug
 
user4433485
before I test
 
So you test manually at intervals?
 
user4433485
Yes
 
user4433485
Depends on what tho
 
8:18 PM
Unit testing is like flossing - everyone agrees it's good, no one really does it
 
user4433485
Thats because most people are lazy
 
Sam
@Unihedro totally agrees
 
user4433485
as I am ;p
 
user4433485
I am going for a quick smoke I'll brb :)
 
ok :)
 
Sam
8:21 PM
So far, Uni's kudo level questionnaire:
 
Last question: Knowing no-one will read the code of a program you wrote, will you still document it (commenting, doc headers for files, resources, etc)? (You can answer when you return, if you want)
 
Sam
1: Do you know your own favourite text editor to your heart's fullest (and do you use and customize it/them well enough to your advantage)?

2: Do you use source control?

3: Do you fix bugs (problems) first before writing new code?

4: Knowing no-one will read the code of a program you wrote, will you still document it (commenting, doc headers for files, resources, etc)?
@Uni You should really turn that into a thing. ^
 
Four simple questions to determine if you're a reliable / potential / experienced programmer. And the answers are likely quick!
 
Sam
:)
 
I ask similar questions a lot, but I don't have a specific system yet - Sometimes I ask about schedules and outside help that supports your projects instead of (4).
 
user4433485
8:26 PM
Back
 
Sam
Well, I can certainly answer 1 & 2 with "yes", but the last two are a mixture of "maybe/partially/kinda".
@Unihedro They're all very good questions.
 
I agree. It's open ended because the more you can say, the more you're telling about your attitude.
 
user4433485
is it wisely to develop c# on a mac system ? by using Xamarin
 
Sam
@HaltlolXD I'd say no.
 
C# is not magically cross-platform, so if your target users are Windows, not really.
 
user4433485
8:30 PM
That's quite anoying since I am mainly using my macbook, will have to use bootcamp then
 
<- Java doesn't have this problem
 
user4433485
But Java is not possible to develop Windows Phone applications ;')
 
user4433485
C# is very powerful language
 
Oh come on now. Windows Phone is obsolete and almost deprecated.
In fact, it's older than Windows XP!
 
user4433485
I disagree
 
user4433485
8:32 PM
Windows phone 8.1 is growing
 
haha k
no comment
 
user4433485
Android is not as stable as Windows Phone OS
 
Of course
Google built Android!
 
8:46 PM
The best part (for me, at least) about the game I was talking about making earlier was that the time it takes for you scales with how much you're willing to commit, and isn't as long-durated like online games. So you can log in once every day and only use three minutes, or you can step by and figure out interesting stuff.
/end thinking out loud
 
Sam
@Unihedro Is this the same game you were talking about in you-know-where?
(The robot one, I think.)
 
No, I finished the robot game already.
 
Sam
o_o
 
My part of it, at least.
 
Sam
Already?!
 
8:49 PM
cough cough still have to poke the slackers to work
 
user4330208
We talking about Halo and ESO?
 
Sam
Isn't that always the way? ;)
@carb0nshel1 Nope. A game @Uni is was making.
 
user4330208
Wow. I was thinking about something along those lines the other day. A FPS coding game
 
It was in a private conversation, and it will remain that way. :D
@carb0nshel1 Congrats, I made one before you
 
user4330208
8:53 PM
Masterpieces take time to make ;)
 
user4330208
GL with your other game though.
 
It's currently only on Android, where you help and build and complete robots to- Well, I can't tell you :p It's for a competition, we're disclaimed from disclosing details in public domain
yet
better luck later
and thanks
:)
 
 
2 hours later…
11:03 PM
Hey @Sam !
We were in a bit of a car wreck earlier on today :O
But dented up the side of my dads car
Everyone's okay, except for the bushes in someones front yard, we totaled them >.<
 
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