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5:00 PM
for example if the challenge was to have everyone contribute to npm, don't you think it'd be more rewarding?
 
@FlorianMargaine Well, there is something
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, that'd be pretty cool
 
like, everyone would have his name in the npm contributors list
(I already have, suckers :P)
 
guys I still love all of you
 
@mrzepka we still love you, I think?
@FlorianMargaine an actual contribution to NPM, or a package within npm?
 
actual contribution to npm
(lowercase)
 
5:02 PM
bah I always do that.
Acronyms are supposed to be uppercase damnit
 
If enough people from this room act for a specific feature or thing to be added to JavaScript, would the concerned authorities accept that? Considering this is the original JavaScript room on the StackExchange network...
 
@Loktar ^
 
like, a pull request here: github.com/npm/npm
 
@AwalGarg not likely.
 
@AwalGarg lol we are not important (the room itself I mean)
 
5:03 PM
we are but a small slice of a VERY VERY VERY large pie
 
> Contrary to the belief of many, "npm" is not in fact an abbreviation for "Node Package Manager". It is a recursive bacronymic abbreviation for "npm is not an acronym". (If it was "ninaa", then it would be an acronym, and thus incorrectly named.)
 
@rlemon I'm getting hungry
 
but well, we can just initiate something... maybe rest of the community of JS would appreciate it and join in?
 
I want a VERY VERY VERY large pie right now
 
@FlorianMargaine they should stop being hipsters
 
5:04 PM
there are mailing lists and discussion groups you can join
@AwalGarg look at the es next discussion group
join in. that is where you go to make yourself heard (or buried in a wall of posts)
 
If we get them to change something how would we complain about the stuff we don't like about JS?
 
anyway, wanna see your name here? github.com/npm/npm/graphs/contributors
 
kk
 
@FlorianMargaine not really, because then you can be blamed when npm fucks up :P
 
@FlorianMargaine We got it, you contributed to it
2
 
5:05 PM
@copy I didn't to this one ^
there are plenty of js projects with tons of open issues
 
hey Raynos is there... is he the same raynos of whom you guys sometimes talk about?
 
only waiting to be fixed
 
@AwalGarg yes
 
@AwalGarg yeh
 
5:07 PM
@Loktar I wish more people would blame me for fucking up my personal projects
 
Knockout even has a cool list of prioritized issues: triage.knockoutjs.com
 
@KendallFrey haha
I just got an email about mine today actually
> Hi Jason.

Found your awesome query snow plugin on github.
It seems to be the best, if not only of its kind, that have the device orientation feature.
I have a client, that really likes your plugin, and would like to use it for some banner ads in december, and a little before.

Due to this i was wondering if you have an ETA on the fix for landscape mobile orientation?
Would really like to use your plugin, and i am not that much in to complicated jquery stuff, so that i think i can fix it myself :)
 
people bitch about my stuff, I just ignore them for the most part.
I shouldn't, but I do :/
 
^ I read that as, I need to use this to make money plis fix naow!
 
I still haven't convinced myself to put down my racing wheel to get back to my project
 
5:08 PM
@Loktar meh...
 
@rlemon huh?
 
the guy is being honest
 
I didnt even add orientation to begin with it was a PR
@FlorianMargaine yeah but he also mentioned a client needing it
it just reminds me of vamps on SO
 
yup, he's being honest :)
 
@BadgerGirl I saw that
 
5:09 PM
he's telling you his use case and why he needs an ETA, or simply if you can provide one.
 
yeah I gave him a loose one
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum goto the room and read. he's complaining about our room being off-topic / not about js / obnoxious -- I pinged you because this is one of the topics I posted to your gist.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I see you in the new and improved JS on topic room xD
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's just the stalking script.
 
@Loktar phrasing
 
5:09 PM
@KendallFrey shit sorry I meant flacid
 
@rlemon meh
Every time people quit and start their own room (with blackjack, and hookers) it dies pretty quickly, and if it doesn't let him have his fun.
 
whereas I don't agree that room needs to be there. It does show that we've created a bad rep lately. all I was pinging you for.
 
Ah, I didn't see that.
 
@rlemon lately? thats nothing new.
People have been complaining since I joined about not enough JS talk at times.
 
yea I don't care about the off topic
 
5:11 PM
I do, a little bit
 
chats go off topic, it is how they keep people involved.
 
when we talk about religion or guns for hours, there's something wrong imho :/
 
I think we shouldn't ignore js questions, but if someone wants to talk about their new car, go ahead.
 
when someone wants to bring it back on topic they'll ask a question, for now it's chitchat
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@enolam Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
5:11 PM
People who get annoyed at offtopic should interject something on topic I guess.
 
@enolam SEE EVEN THE NEW GUY GETS IT!
thankyou!
 
^ +1
 
I'm kind of annoyed that people are trying to troll a legit room attempt
 
user1596138
36 secs ago, by enolam
when someone wants to bring it back on topic they'll ask a question, for now it's chitchat
 
user1596138
Because it needs to be read again
 
5:12 PM
as long as I've been here (although on and off) it's been off topic until someone asks a question
 
user1596138
Y U NO CHAT
 
@SterlingArcher it honestly looked like someone throwing a temper tantrum to me
 
@enolam oh hai
 
Then it's the people who know how to answer the question answer or reference them somewhere
 
@Jhawins what's up? What happened to your picture?
 
5:12 PM
> I want more JS talk, I'm new here, Im making my own room!
 
and the rest of the people continue chit chat
 
user1596138
I removed it.
 
user1596138
Over it
 
user1596138
@Loktar More like "no one answered my stupid question the room must not be about JS"
 
yeah thats what it is a lot of times honestly
 
user1596138
5:13 PM
Seriously.
 
I do believe, however, that the idea of "contributors army" is a good one. It'd give us new topics, would help us all know about projects' codes, is not very much time confusing if the point is to have one PR merged in, etc.
 
People don't understand that most of the regulars here are "experts" at javascript, so we don't always have a JS topic to discuss the more we learn.
 
@Jhawins why?
 
@Loktar ah =/
Didn't read that context yet
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Most people's pictures aren't real anyway for some reason. I conformed.
 
5:14 PM
@SterlingArcher I didnt actually see any context he just announced it
 
I like the part where you guys teach me things
 
that was all I saw
don't even recognize the guy (or gal)
 
My picture is real
 
@SterlingArcher yea I don't think they should have trolled the room. but I also think when people proclaim this room isn't helpful they are a) not asking for help, b) not speaking at all.
 
like when @Jhawins even answered when I asked what Lorem Ipsum is
 
5:14 PM
@FlorianMargaine I hope people actually do the monthly challenge
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeh we were talking about that
 
Hmm.... maybe bold text? Would that work?
 
didn't you see the pings?
 
@copy heh wow I didnt think you were so pro open carry! :P
 
No, I don't see pings very well since I use several computers - so I get here and I see like 200 pings :D
 
5:15 PM
@Loktar It's just a paint gun
 
@SomeGuy that could be nice, I don't want to overdo it though - I just want one, short challenge.
 
@rlemon agreed and agreed. This room has a bad rep (because trolls and vamps) but it's one of the most helpful rooms SO has. How many people do you think we've helped this year alone?
 
I mean, if we had three we couldn't really compare and exchange notes.
 
23 mins ago, by Some Guy
@BenjaminGruenbaum Maybe we should have a "pick one out of 3 challenges" kind of system?
 
user1596138
@SterlingArcher I would've shared that thought 6 months ago
 
5:16 PM
ah
 
@SterlingArcher a bad rep from who though?
 
@SterlingArcher me for one... very much. Glad I know about this place on the internet.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum thing is... what if: 1/ people already know knockout. 2/ knockout is/seems boring. ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Maybe they should be shorter than a month, or overlap.
 
I mean honestly I have never seen the SO JS room mentioned outside of SO
 
5:16 PM
@SterlingArcher well not this year, but somewhere around 20K for the entirety chat.stackoverflow.com/search?q=thanks&user=&room=17
 
user1596138
But now that I'm not an owner you guys are destined for failure.
 
not many people even know SO has chats.
 
user1596138
lol
 
@Loktar other rooms / main site I've seen lots of comments to stay away from our room . we're "mean"
 
Like two running offset (by two weeks) so there are always two things you could work on.
 
5:17 PM
Weird I mean I've seen a few that have been pointed out, but I rarely see the chats mentioned on SO proper at all.
 
@SterlingArcher That's not necessarily good
 
user1596138
Isn't C++ mean too
 
After all, for helping, there's SO itself
 
user1596138
There are rooms with much worse reps
 
it's a lounge though...
 
5:18 PM
@FlorianMargaine I think so too, but then again we've had a fair vote and the majority of people thought it was an interesting challenge. Wanna make it interesting? Do it in ClojureScript or in any compile-to-js language.
 
everyone is mean if you don't drop what you're doing and help people right away.
 
Room Challenge: everyone groups together and does everyone elses current work projects. we'll get it all done in half the time with more eyes on the code :P :P (mild sarcasm)
 
Interesting discussions is what makes this place interesting for many people
 
user1596138
Change this room to JS themed lounge
 
@Jhawins C++ got a lot better over the past year. They really solved things.
 
5:18 PM
Aside from the recent drama and trolls, I usually never have a problem with people in here
 
@Jhawins why?
 
This room has actually been quite ok recently. After the drama.
 
user1596138
@Unihedron Not for real, Florian was pretending it made a difference
 
bleh, the subject keeps turning to how the room isn't "x" enough
 
alert("hello!")
 
5:19 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum not a bad idea
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum definitely. I just wish I had more good questions. It's hard to think of questions I don't even know exist lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum add it to the rules pls
 
user1596138
Idk I see this discussion being brought up often and no one is actually discussing anything specific.
 
@FlorianMargaine make a pr
 
(I'll probably make it in parenscript)
 
user1596138
5:20 PM
So IMHO, get a specific issue or GTFO
 
@Jhawins I agree.
 
user1596138
"The room isn't the same" or "we are worse" isn't specific, it's an invalid comparison.
 
oh, it's already written
 
I'm going to (try) port numpy to JS, so that'd be a huge project I'll be undertaking at some point, it'd be something I could use all the help I could get with.
 
@Jhawins try lurking in the php room
 
5:21 PM
dude. Found a dji phantom on craigslist, gonna go see about buying it tonight.
so excite
 
@ssube damn how much?
 
user1596138
But I do agree the room went to total shit for awhile, if something else comes up obviously it will be addressed.
 
those are so damn cool.
 
@ssube then control it with JS
 
@Loktar ~$400. last gen (not a phantom 2), with the stuff and the case apparently.
that's more than I need to chase my car with a gopro, though.
 
5:22 PM
@FlorianMargaine php room is pretty good though
 
@Jhawins whenever I hear that here is what I think, the room isn't shitty, the people in it are. Which makes me think, wow are you calling me shitty?
 
at least IMO
 
@Loktar exactly.
 
Then again, it's full of internals people
It's like we'd have all TC39 discussing here
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yep, I was pointing him to it as an example
 
5:22 PM
So that's kind of unfair
 
My buddy is trying to find a second car so we can shoot a short racing film.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ... true
 
Also, it makes ripping on PHP all the lot funner
 
ES isn't as open as php to discussion/development :/
 
Honestly?
PHP is way too open, ES is too open.
 
user1596138
5:23 PM
@Loktar Exactly. We got shitty.
 
Design by committee is a bad idea.
 
well, php only has a single implementation too
but yeah, php is too open, definitely
 
user1596138
As a group we failed. It wasn't just me it wasn't just Awal being a vamp and it wasn't ZIgi reporting us to the UN
 
@Jhawins how though?
 
there are issues with not having a single person to decide
 
user1596138
5:24 PM
We got fed up with bullshit!!
 
@FlorianMargaine two big ones, some smaller ones
@FlorianMargaine no vision.
 
user1596138
We had to have the kick function added
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yep.
@BenjaminGruenbaum hhvm bases itself on the single impl up till now.
now it's starting to base itself on the standard being written
 
user1596138
There were some serious issues with the newcomers we were getting for awhile. It was troll after troll day after day. Regulars would just say "I'm out for the day" and go to ECMAScript, or leave altogether.
 
@Jhawins awal got a lot better recently.
 
5:25 PM
users feel entitled to help. we feel entitled to see their effort / demand they show some. neither side is right I suppose. but I feel like we're less wrong. I'm just (personally) going to ignore requests I would have otherwise sent a certain meme too
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum He did, I told him I thought so too.
 
You guys all realize.. this is an internet chatroom right
 
@rlemon We're right. They should go back to SO
 
user1596138
But if Deep came back and got better I'd still give him shit back for all my time he wasted haha
 
like thats all it is
not some committee where we have any sort of power anywhere.
 
5:26 PM
Hi open brain loktar
 
user1596138
@Loktar please revoke ownership again so you cry about it and realize you are being a hypocrite.
 
we are a community. at least I like to think so.
 
user1596138
:P
 
@Jhawins woah now
 
@Loktar got copy a girlfriend, badgergirl a boyfriend, mosho a job, I've met several regs and had beers with them IRL, and I'm flying to meet copy and badgergirl in Amsterdam next week. We're not just a chat room.
 
user1596138
5:27 PM
You flipped. And it was acceptable for you to be upset over it.
 
you mention ownership everyday
 
user1596138
Yeah cause it bugs me, I'm not gonna deny it haha. I've been here a long time dude. Same reason you were pissed.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum people have made friends sure, which is awesome
so you help my overall point that we aren't that bad :P
 
"just a chat" dismisses the entire community vibe going. and the fact that we've all made friends in here. "just a chat" is discrediting to what we do. "don't get your panties in a bunch" is a fair statement. :P
 
@Loktar who's the most recent friend you made though?
 
5:28 PM
@FlorianMargaine most recent internet person I've talked to for extended periods?
 
@Loktar up until last week, none of the 'old regs' were as active as they were a year before
 
on this chat, yeah
 
Probably someone in the webdesign room honestly
 
in the js room
 
my newest JS room friend is either Sippy or taco
can't remember who I interacted with first
 
5:29 PM
yeah probably the same here, but internet friend is a loose term
 
yeah not someone you'd trust your life with, but someone you like to interact with more or less daily
 
well some of you I consider real friends. i.e. I would invite you over to my house.
 
user1596138
I don't like any of you.
 
some of you.... not so much :P
 
The number of times the word loose has been used today is too damn high!
 
5:30 PM
@FlorianMargaine eh idk really, it takes a while for me to even care about someone
 
Maybe we look at it differently, I don't think our little community is "just a chatroom" that's all.
 
@rlemon thanks buddy
 
@rlemon I can't find that reference against document.scripts, I lose :( :/... Do you know of any difference between that and getElsByTag?
 
##javascript is "just a chatroom"
 
5:30 PM
maybe @KendallFrey honestly?
 
user1596138
Except that guy that came here to troll us from #jquery
 
@FlorianMargaine dude, we video chatted. we're basically dating.
 
user1596138
Remember that?? Hahahahaha
 
does getElementsByTagName return a live htmlcollection or not?
@rlemon 2.9
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine ....live htmlcollection
 
5:31 PM
@rlemon sounds like things are getting pretty serious
 
@Jhawins John Resig?
 
@rlemon Is he spongebob in video too?
 
user1596138
What makes it "live"?
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine Good one.
 
@Jhawins A soul
 
5:31 PM
hard to explain in a sentence...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I suppose it is a community, thats a better term, however we cant really survive without the chat it seems
 
user1596138
Oh
 
user1596138
Makes sense
 
@Loktar it's our town square.
 
@Loktar it isn't "the chat" it is eachother
we've become friends and enjoy the company of the others
 
5:32 PM
like Ill probably talk to rlemon forever, due to the chat
 
@Jhawins well, he did come :P
 
<3ro
 
@Loktar #brojob #nohomo
 
haha
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine yeah? I meant the time someone followed me back after the jquery site got compromised
 
5:33 PM
bromeo?
2
 
actually yeah you too @FlorianMargaine because you are crazy helpful
 
bro-thel
 
@Loktar well, love by interest is still better than no love, I guess?
:P
 
haha I just mean whenever I have an issue you help me out
like pretty much only you :P
 
I wish I knew more JS so I could be helpful too
 
5:34 PM
brolove man, brolove
 
^ Florian is my new goto :P
 
bromeo bromeo
 
user1596138
@Loktar There are sort of "teams" here :P
 
@rlemon Eww, goto
 
@Jhawins you meant "gangs"
 
user1596138
5:35 PM
Everyone has someone that is particularly helpful
 
@Jhawins teams?
 
m13 represents
 
user1596138
@BenjaminGruenbaum Not as in competition
 
user1596138
As in helpfulness
 
user1596138
"pairs"
 
5:35 PM
goto Florian
Florian:
    echo "u haz prblm? I FIX!"
 
sub communities :P
actually people who hang out in TS are closer for sure
I dont very often though :/
 
@Jhawins mmk
 
we haven't had a TS hangout in ages
 
@rlemon you didn't answer wrt set-cookie headers btw...
 
@rlemon somekittens and I did over the weekend on your server lol
we were playing elite dangerous
was half expecting you to jump on
 
5:36 PM
@FlorianMargaine moved onto other code for the time being
need a fresh start on it
 
k
you need to understand how sessions work first though...
 
@Loktar aww you gotta ping me
 
it seems you're not certain about how it works
 
@FlorianMargaine I do... in PHP.
passport + express hide a LOT of shit from you
 
I mean, at the http level
 
5:37 PM
so I'm getting lazier
 
Are express variables converted into cookies?
 
I don't care about the stack
 
bleh I need to figure all of that out soon
 
I'm pretty sure you don't know how it works in php either
 
what's ts?
 
5:38 PM
!!urban ts
 
we are making a spa with a rest backend, my boss has been asking a lot of questions about how to handle auth
 
@KendallFrey ts Short for for [Telesync]. Truncated jargon used on file sharing networks to denote a film taped off a cinema screen; as opposed to something ripped off of a retail DVD (DVDrip/retail), or even a pre-release DVD screener ([Screener]). Format tends to be in SVCD, but can also be in any other format, divx/xvid etc.
 
^
 
@AwalGarg ^
 
user1596138
The only thing I really dislike about the room (and this is mildly specific) recently is the rise of a pseudo "chain of command"
 
5:39 PM
@Jhawins in the military we call it a coc.
 
user1596138
Yeah, I don't like our Coc
 
and a change of command is a coc as well, so we could watch the generals CoC.
was good times.
 
@FlorianMargaine I've read it all. long time ago. I'll refresh myself.
 
@Jhawins removing owners and trying to talk less about owner stuff was supposed to solve that, but it ended up backfiring - so we undid that.
 
I don't really see it that way tbh... it's more like "regulars are honorary, some of them being janitors"
 
5:39 PM
@Loktar what did you think about their CoCs?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum oh, didn't see that
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum way to long and flashy honestly
:P
 
One measure of a chatroom's quality is the ratio of time spent chatting to the time spent discussing the chatroom's quality. We are not so good at this.
 
ok
 
@FlorianMargaine Yeah, I agree - that was the point but @Loktar and @SomeKittens didn't feel that way.
@KendallFrey reflection is good
 
5:40 PM
Too much is distracting
 
anyway, brb
 
I personally get quite sick of all the arguing that goes on here
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I got some php-src code to write before working on the monthly challenge
 
well I'm going to lunch. +1 @KendallFrey
 
@KendallFrey it just makes me feel bad honestly
 
5:41 PM
There's still problems ? The drama isn't totally finished ?
 
like we're going to lose the chat and the way its been :(
thats my biggest fear
 
user1596138
@KendallFrey You get sick of the arguing?! Mr. Cynical is tired of arguments
 
Drama? What drama?
 
@FlorianMargaine enjoy
 
@rlemon will you contact me again for your project? :P
 
5:42 PM
@Jhawins I meant arguing about the old stuff like religion and politics
 
@KendallFrey Yes, but a real sign of a good chatroom his how much time is spent talking about how much time is spent talking about chatroom quality, obviously.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I actually do :P
 
oh bleh thats fun though @KendallFrey
 
Arguing about code style is refreshing
 
ProTip: During a civil discussion it isn't often constructive to take stabs at people.
 
5:42 PM
Writing C for the PHP engine? Good luck :P
 
!!afk food. I'm hungry.
 
I especially like arguing about adblock
 
@KendallFrey coding style sucks.
@Loktar or linux
 
Um, I don't have a card for that
 
user1596138
Is your (insults and innuendo) to (everything else) ratio is > 1:1... You might be @KendallFrey
 
5:42 PM
haha that one too
 
Speaking of which - What's you all think about Visual Studio 2015?
 
I think its amazing!
 
@rlemon I really liked it more when your avatar was your real you, it was easier to recognize it as you...
 
Really glad MS is taking the path they're taking
 
It installs Chrome and Git and all sorts of stuff.
 
5:43 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum It's astoundingly nonexistent on my machine
 
yeah we are switching to GIT for all our vso stuff
 
glad they are embracing git so much
 
@dystroy really am about to leave, but the longer running one wasn't me
the native guy was a photoshop
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I think I'll stick to javascript
 
5:43 PM
also it supports gulp/grunt/npm out of the box too (VS2015)
 
@dystroy or did you mean this one
 
@JanDvorak it's an editor, not a language.
 
I am sick of typing __construct... and now I realized I can type cla and hit tab!
 
VS in general is a POS
 
All Hail Sublime!
 
5:44 PM
@rlemon yes, this one
 
Today it won't let me F11
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum there's no decent IDE for C#
 
@KendallFrey vsvim makes it ok
 
@rlemon that one:
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum rlemon is afk: food. I'm hungry.
 
5:44 PM
!!afk food and thinking about gravatars
 
@AwalGarg If we're talking about unusable IDEs, that's the one.
 
@JanDvorak visual studio is free now, so there's that.
 
@ssube Have a feeling that won't fix my debugging problem
 
Not quite netbeans bad, but...
 
VS2015 is pretty neat. Interesting approach to open source, really started embracing it all, both on the .NET end and the JS end. Probably still requires web essentials to really rock, but it's good nonetheless. Probably the best "editor" I've got my hands on for JS, too. :-P
 
5:45 PM
@ssube does it suck as much as VSE?
 
I should use the tab key more often now, I think.
 
ST is great for simple editing but I've been finding myself more wanting lately
 
I think it's pretty neat too, not stable enough yet. It does feel much faster which is good.
 
@JanDvorak VSE? googling it isn't helpful
 
Notepad is pretty fast
 
5:46 PM
bah but only 1 level of undo
 
Hey, what do you think of this piece of code? It's a function that calculates the time difference between the client and server so that when the server sends a timing event, the client can use the time accurately (on a ~10 millisecond resolution).
 
Aye. For now I'm sticking to VS2013U4 with Web Essentials and Task Runner Explorer. Pretty much gives you what 2015 is giving you, except for the new tiny improvements and speed.
 
@ssube visual studio express
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum removing the mustache, the image is photoshopped, right??? How could he look so human!??!??!
 
@Tyzoid That's called NTP.
 
5:47 PM
@ssube I'm aware, but NTP doesn't really work over HTTP to a web browser
 
@JanDvorak gedit brotha!
 
@JanDvorak Oh, that's awful. I just started paying for MSDN years ago.
 
I use ntp to keep my server up to date
 
@RoelvanUden nice you use the task runner explorer plugin as well?
that thing is awesome
 
@Tyzoid 10 milisecond resolution over the 'net? Forget.
 
5:47 PM
its what allowed me to introduce gulp into our projects
 
@ssube wat
 
everyone was scared of the cli :(
 
@AwalGarg cat
 
@Loktar It is, and is integrated into VS2015 (because that's really what they made it for in the first place). The vNext platform is embracing nodejs and grunt to automate tons of cool stuffies.
 
@Loktar ...t
 
5:48 PM
@KendallFrey ed
 
gedit is far more faster than notepad/notepad++/any other thing... and is superb for everything text.
 
@JanDvorak Apparently they're redoing express this round so you can use plugins and stuff, but it used to be the worst, so I bought a real VS.
 
Is gulp a lot better than grunt?
 
I definitely prefer gulp over grunt
 
gedit is horrible
 
5:48 PM
@JanDvorak Are you saying it's impossible?
 
@KendallFrey dog. what is that?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum +1
 
gulp is better than grunt imo, both are acceptable though
 
its much faster from my experience @Retsam
 
@AwalGarg NOOB whack whack
 
5:48 PM
@Loktar Same here. We're using PhoneGap so I've introduced a bunch of automation (with grunt watchers) into that thing and so far every seems to love the idea. :-P
 
yeah exactly, I mean if you're using grunt no need to change unless your build times are ridiculous
 
My method uses statistical analysis on 16 different packets to try and rule out network delay
 
!!man cat
 
@KendallFrey That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ban, jan, mdn
 
@KendallFrey ok I am a noob. Now what is that?
 
5:49 PM
@Loktar Yeah; I'm more concerned about usability than speed, but that's good to know
 
Feature request: !!man
 
eh I find gulp more usable just because you can write code instead of configs
 
@AwalGarg google man cat
 
@Tyzoid pretty much; it could be plausible over a fast connection, but mobile net tennds to have really high jitter.
 
facepalm
 
5:49 PM
bleh but Im a bit of a gulp fanboy so Ill stop
 
It's not what it sounds like
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
!!xkcd real programmers
 
@CapricaSix Feature request: remove that
 
5:50 PM
You know, gulp doesn't even offer that much over writing the build yourself manually with promises and good modules.
 
(I think that is relevant to the question of what "cat" is and why it came up in this discussion)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah true
 
@JanDvorak I guess I'll have to do some extended testing, but it seems to work fairly well in my controlled tests.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum or shell scripts
 
@KendallFrey or limit it to once a month
 
5:51 PM
why promise when you can fork?
 
eh the shell script argument comes up often, but I like how with grunt/gulp its in the same ecosystem as the rest of your code
 
@ssube also an option, although you can't leverage the ecosystem as easily.
 
goes for both relationships and builds
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Actually, it would be fine if it only responded to the entire command, not just the last word
 
@CapricaSix real programmers write userscripts! That's all...
 
5:51 PM
@ssube why fork? Why worry about I/O and concurrency at all when you have a whole system built around doing I/O in a non-blocking very fast manner?
 
... I'm eager for platform.sh to support frontend builds/nodejs stack (disclaimer: I work for the company making this product)
 
i'm not a huge fan of having two build tools
getting everything to line up is a pain
 
Seriously, it's very simple to do all this with promises :P
 
@FlorianMargaine Disclaimer?
 
and it's going to take a long time to get all our JS in a different repo from the Java
 
5:52 PM
@copy yeah, my bad, fixed
 
especially since some of the contractors are still having trouble with running maven
 
How would I go about animating a div to slide the content left out of the div, and slide in new content from the right?
I fear I might need a plugin for speed purposes
 
@FlorianMargaine wow nice
 
glob("./src/*.js").map(lint).map(minify).call("join",";").map((res) => fs.writeFileAsync("./dest/built.js"))
Don't forget to add a .filter with .stat to ignore files that weren't modified
That's pretty much "minify, concat and produce"
Bluebird promises, no frameworks or runners or build tools, just plain old JS.
 
you need some dsl to declare tasks for convenience, though, but yeah
 
5:55 PM
Why? You can use JS functions.
 
how do you launch them from CLI?
 
gulp / grunt / <any other task runner> ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Or just use closure compiler
 
var buildJS = glob("./src/*.js").map(lint).map(minify).call("join",";").map((res) => fs.writeFileAsync("./dest/built.js"));
var buildStyles = glob("./src/*.less").map(less).map(minify).call("join",";").map(res => fs.writeFileAsync("./dest/built.css");
var minifyImages = ...
Promise.all([minifyImages, buildStyles, buildJS]).then(function(){
   // build done successfully
 });
 
^ I am not a pro on writing good code, but that looks horrible to me
 
5:57 PM
@copy cc requires Java, and you can also use it, the two don't contradict eachother minify is just one task.
@darkyen00 that's an entire build.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I usually want my build system to handle multiple tasks
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum E_UNREADABLE: lines too long
 
Right, and you can do that if you put it in functions.
 
I know :-) It is.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum how do you decide from CLI which function to run?
 
5:57 PM
@JanDvorak right, in practice it'd be split on . in the chaining, I'm just typing it in chat.
 
fine then
 
@FlorianMargaine you can parse the args and call the function that matches the task based on bracket notation, it's adding 2 lines of code and npm-installing commander.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum little late to the party, but yes, major administration changes tend to increase drama, not decrease it.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ... or you install gulp, and declaring a task is just writing gulp.task('taskname', thefunctionyoujustwrote);
 

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