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9:00 PM
ah well
 
@ClickRick Yeah, you can't parse HTML with them.
 
we've just been through the "joy" of retro-adding unit tests to our production code. Basically a box-ticking exercise by management.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Fix your design.
 
user1804599
Remove coupling.
 
You'll have to test the database interaction sooner or later.
So you'll have to setup a test database.
It's not about the design.
 
user1804599
9:07 PM
@Jefffrey That’s not an issue.
 
user1804599
You run a SQL file before the test to create it, and after the test to delete it.
 
Hi.
 
Which takes a shitload of time for non-trivial applications.
Also if something goes wrong: oops, do manual clenup! you just need to drop the schema/db
 
user1804599
What do you mean by manual cleanup?
 
user1804599
You fix the setup SQL file or the code and run the test again. vOv
 
9:10 PM
nothing, still it takes time
 
> mock objects don't solve shit
what
 
user1804599
Yeah.
 
user1804599
It would be wonderful if testing didn’t take any time at all.
 
user1804599
But the laws of the universe apply, so testing takes time. Deal with it.
 
> a shitload of
is the part you should focus on
 
user1804599
9:10 PM
What do you want to do instead? Not test it?
 
user1804599
Test everything manually over and over again after each change?
 
of course not
 
boy it's cold in here
 
@Jefffrey Saved by the GEMA
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey What is the thing that takes time? The I/O or writing the tests?
 
9:15 PM
setting up a database and correctly drop/create database/schema/tables/instances
 
user1804599
The I/O or writing that code?
 
I/O
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Saved by"? What do you mean?
 
user1804599
Ah. I thought you were onto manually managing the database or something idiotic like that.
 
watno
I'm just saying it can get really slow. But yeah, it's necessary.
 
user1804599
Our DB tests take about twenty seconds, but it’s not very much stuff.
 
user1804599
9:18 PM
But they are run separately.
 
user1804599
The DB interaction code is completely decoupled from the major part of the application anyway.
 
@Jefffrey It means that I don't have to listen to that... thing, because I can't.
 
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about th’universe!
 
user1804599
You forgot about WinRAR’s trial period.
 
@40two Wait, are you from italy?
 
9:25 PM
@Xeo WHADDUP
 
vicino Italia
@Jefffrey Di dove sei? che cita d' Italia?
 
@40two padova
 
@Ricky: What a stupid remark. The original question was if sharing modulus was secure. I show that it isn't because you can easily recover the primes given $e$, $d$ and $n$, and I show that in a setting that applies to all standard RSA out there. Hence I believe it's a highly satisfactory answer to the original question. Note that the other answer makes the same assumption but use a much more involved algorithm. — Morty Feb 27 at 5:47
There's no love on the crypto.SE either
 
@Jefffrey vicino Venezia?
 
9:29 PM
 
hehe
Non ti piace Veneziani?
 
Speak english please. :)
Italian is a terrible language.
 
hehe
Why is that?
 
Bah, it can't be that bad.
 
Italian is a beautiful language, learn to respect your heritage.
 
9:31 PM
lol
 
@40two Does that mean I can say Italian is a terrible language, then?
I'm not Italian.
 
I'm not Italian either.
 
what language is not terrible in this room?
 
Suahili
 
It's context-sensitive, almost as hard as latin, thousands of ways to say the same thing, nothing make sense and requires gestures to fully express its potential.
 
9:33 PM
Ah, that explains a lot of things.
 
Verbs and grammar is unnecessary complex too.
 
My Spanish coworker speaks Italian by simply speaking Spanish and waving his right hand with all fingertips brought together.
 
@40two Lol what the fuck, seriously.
 
Dear Mr. @brano. You're late. This has run it's course. And your imaginative speculation just tells us something about you: it's rude without necessity. The fact that you are outraged doesn't make it okay to go for more cheap shock value. Grow up? — sehe 1 min ago
 
"respect your heritage".
 
9:34 PM
@Jefffrey per Noi la lingua Italiana e molto facile, perche e molto simile con nostra lingua
 
"You should be nice to this arbitrary shit because YOUR ANCESTORS THOUGHT IT UP, DAMNIT!!".
 
@40two Except that's not italian
 
we should also go catch dysentery and slaughter our neighbours for fractionally different religious beliefs, right?
it's TRADITIONAL guise!
 
@DeadMG Well, that does merit something.
@sehe You can't even imagine how wrong you are. — brano 21 secs ago
Oh god.
 
@sehe It merits a fast lane to the hottest fire I can build.
 
9:35 PM
@Jefffrey what is not Italian? Tutti siamo Romani!
 
So, everything that's old needs to burned, lest it became dogma? Huh I hope I'm missing some context here
 
7 mins ago, by Jefffrey
Speak english please. :)
 
OK
 
no, whether it's old or not or built by my personal ancestors or not is totally irrelevant.
it should be viewed objectively as a thing in 2014
 
up to #338 so far
 
9:39 PM
Italian is simply not an efficient language. It can be beautiful in lyrics and poetry, but that's just it. For those that have to speak it daily, it's just unnecessarily complex.
 
ITT Jefffrey doesn't know complex.
 
@Jefffrey Let me disagree on that.
 
Permission granted.
 
Italian isn't complex, the only disadvantage is that you don't have neutral...
 
9:41 PM
lol
 
LOL LOL
 
That's literally a non-issue.
 
@Jefffrey try Turkish. Or German. Or Icelandic.
 
Indeed... for French is not
 
9:42 PM
@Jefffrey All natural languages hover at nearly the same efficiency.
 
I thought a string can only be 509 char long in c ?? was I wrong? — Scott Selby 2 hours ago
2
 
aw
 
@FredOverflow tell him depends on the eyes of the beholder...
 
He probably read #define MAX_STRING_LENGTH 509 in a legacy codebase...
 
9:43 PM
509?
they couldn't even make it 255 to fit their indices in a single byte or something?
 
Of course depends on the metric system...
 
@FredOverflow It's in the implementation limits thing.
 
@sehe I saw a documentary of an English guy that learned Icelandic in a week.
 
Which means it's totally not an upper bound.
 
some people are gifted like that.
 
9:45 PM
@40two rightfold can design a new programming language in a week (and not implement it).
 
I mean, it only took me a year or two to become the god of C++ that I am now
 
@40two he/she had a special talent, if I recall ("savant")
 
I can learn Portuguese in a day. I have a special talent: I speak Portuguese.
 
she was a he and indeed he was autistic or something
 
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@FredOverflow actually, I designed and implemented Gear in two days.
 
9:47 PM
What Gear? 1st, 2nd 3rd?
I usually change gears when going to work...
 
@DeadMG 509 is the old string literal limit stackoverflow.com/q/11488616/560648
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's a lower bound on the upper bounds of implementations.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes, I'm aware.
 
I can say that with a straight face.
 
@DeadMG I have a shrine at home and worship you.
 
9:49 PM
good
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I just don't like the use of the word 'limit' here. It's misleading.
 
offerings can be sent via paypal in my profile
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never said upper limit.
 
LOL LOL
 
Of course in reality I was simplifying greatly — the post I linked to directly thereafter holds the details.
 
9:50 PM
@DeadMG what
also
@SethCarnegie: Perhaps 509 is intended to allow for a 512-byte buffer with two bytes for a "\r\n" line terminator and one for a '\0' string terminator. — Keith Thompson Jul 15 '12 at 17:25
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know, but it still conveys the wrong idea.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit misspelled "derails" :/
 
@Jefffrey Yes, but 512-byte is an odd choice. 256-byte would be a more natural choice, as it allows the compiler vendors to save memory by using a single byte as an index, rather than needing two bytes.
 
Xeo
why is 512 any more arbitrary than 256 would be?
 
@DeadMG you should change your nickname to YC++G
 
Xeo
9:52 PM
they just had to day some bound
 
@DeadMG Wouldn't that have to be 255 bytes, then?
 
> it allows the compiler vendors to save memory by using a single byte as an index, rather than needing two bytes.
 
I don't understand what index you are talking about.
 
that's the kinda crap people did in 1989
 
Who gives a fuck? Jesus.
 
9:52 PM
Me.
 
I also appear to give a fuck, at least for the moment.
 
Xeo
I give a fuck - flying one, right into my bed. g'night
 
@Jefffrey Let's say that you are authoring a C compiler.
and let's say that you are going to use a fixed-byte buffer of the minimum size to store the input line.
 
Like MSVC does.
In 2014.
 
now let's say that for fairly obvious reasons, you are going to want to index into this buffer.
 
9:53 PM
Running on 32GB of RAM.
 
@brano I reply to you because I care. And I hope you will reflect on how you can (rightfully) tell people of their acts are "unnecessary and immature", without undermining any authority you had by acting the same yourself :) — sehe 1 min ago
 
I give a buck does this count?
 
if the buffer is >255 bytes long, you need more than 8 bits.
so you'd really be needing 16 bits.
most of which will be wasted.
 
@DeadMG it's not about the index, then. It's likely about the size of records in the object file (static initializers?)
 
and since you're programming on a tiny machine in 1989 then you orgasm over saving a few bits in your indices in your compiler to make room for something else.
@Maxpm Yes, probably.
 
9:56 PM
ITT DeadMG doesn't know his powers of two.
 
@DeadMG has a quantum computer he doesn't need powers of two you foolish mortals...
 
powers of two are just as inherent to qubits as they are to bits.
 
I understand the whole "save bits" thing. But you mean saving them where? the registers?
 
all my structures that hold indices into the input line
pretty hard to save bits in fixed-width registers but compilers need to use non-register memory too
 
@Jefffrey I think RAM
 
9:59 PM
and they also have to fit into the tiny memory space of a machine in 1989
 
@DeadMG To which you have to probably store a 32/64 bit address to the first element of the char array?
 
In old days there were machines with only Kbs of RAM
 
@Jefffrey Or you could store an 8-bit index and a 16-bit pointer, or just an 8-bit index if you have the line pointer somewhere else.
 
@sehe Why on earth did you reply to him? You complain about him bringing it up again but you're doing that yourself
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit No. I'm playing along. Big difference.
 
10:01 PM
I like this discussion.
 
Well, don't.
 
@Jefffrey my dear boy, the ancients had machines with tiny amounts of memory this is how great the ancients were...
 
noooooo Sequential Art just went down
I'm up to #417 of 888
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Also, my complaint isn't about him "bringing it up". It's about him derailing stuff with thinly veiled "Godwin" arguments. I think he shouldn't be allowed to simultaneously scream "murder" and committing worse sins himself :)
 
yeah, they could have been implementing C on a machine in 5000 BC, where an escaped slave on fire was a 1 and an escaped slave not on fire was a 0
4
 
10:03 PM
He's "allowed" to do whatever he wants
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know. I think he shouldn't be. Which is why I provide him with some feedback. FWIW, I'm also allowed to do what I want, so by your own reasoning, you could leave it alone.
 
:lol:
 
@DeadMG not bad
 
lol
Wasn't that machine's name Spartacus?
 
My machine's name is Spartacus.
 
10:04 PM
@DeadMG you don't need to know the length of the string in bytes, just its length in words
 
Oh put a sock in it you two. — Lightness Races in Orbit 3 mins ago
 
@sehe The difference between you and me is that I am not of the opinion that you should be "disallowed" from doing something. I'm simply suggesting that you stop baiting him, STFU, and let that thread die as you yourself suggested in your messages to him. :)
there's nothing to gain there any more
 
@DeadMG Parting the Red Sea was a segfault.
 
yay comic's back
 
In the beginning there was darkness and chaos...
Then Dennis Ritchie came...
 
10:07 PM
@sehe are you 37?
 
I'm in my primes!
 
Its anti-women because its implying that "vagina-ownership" is an negative quality. "Look at Rightfold, acting like a total woman, with a vagina, AM I RIGHT FELLAS! Man up and be less of a pussy." — Lego Stormtroopr May 23 at 1:40
I missed this one.
 
I confirm 37 is a prime
 
Self-powered!
 
Wait, isn't "OMG HE SAID VAGINA" immature?
 
10:10 PM
vagina ownership, in which amendment is written?
 
BoltClock i see your profile. Do you love jesus ? How do I realize jesus love me ? — Borat Sagdiyev 37 mins ago
 
Erm... What... are... you ... doing?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit next time shout "INCOMING!!!"
lol
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes FINALLY
 
What is it?
 
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10:12 PM
@Jefffrey I DEMAND THAT POST BE DELETED FOR IT CONTAINS OFFENSIVE WORD “VAGINA”
 
Only a month.
4 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Self-powered!
Self-powered numbers. I just made it up.
 
user1804599
@LegoStormtroopr You’re getting it wrong. People adore my vag. — rightfold 11 secs ago
 
OMG HE SAID PUSSY
 
user1804599
I love pussies.
 
I'm more of a dog person.
 
10:15 PM
pussies are for pussies, vagina is the scientific term is more formal
 
Or should I say more of a "dog conscious entity"?
 
ROFL on @LRIO being sucked in knee-deep after sternly telling me off :)
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why not have both? onlinepetcart.com.au/images/Cat_and_Dog.jpg
 
user1804599
@AlexM. you are now featured in my comment too!
 
wait what where
oh
yes
 
10:17 PM
lol
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey order is alphabetic :v
 
yeah, suuuure
alphabetic
 
user1804599
 
I thought it was in ascending order.
 
...
 
10:19 PM
They're in order of wavelength of their colours.
For an appropriate synesthete.
 
-8
Q: C program that displays sum of square

user3677787I'll be brief, All I want is a little boost in the right direction(Doing the entire program is GREAT! I'll just use what you showed me and I'll create it off of yours a different way) My main problem is I took notes in my class(Data Structures in C) and stupidly enough the computer never saved my...

 
@40two and then there was agony, weeping and the gnashing of teeth
@R.MartinhoFernandes yay. where can I do the calibration test?
 
user1804599
@40two That’s what sh said.
 
> All I want is a little boost in the right direction
 
@sehe You are a poet my man.
 
10:21 PM
dat pun
 
LOL
 
@40two You should have met Domagoj
 
Please don't close it
 
user1804599
We cannot close it.
 
user1804599
It is already closed.
 
10:23 PM
Domagoj? Never heard of him...
 
I didn't close it.
 
and deleted
 
user1804599
Good.
 
:P
I was one of the most beautiful questions I've ever seen
pitty
 
@40two He got hit by a bus. Twice.
 
10:24 PM
Oh, you are a question. I wasn't aware, sorry.
 
sorry, It was
 
user1804599
Feb 27 '13 at 23:02, by DeadMG
Domagoj you cock, y u no chatroom? — DeadMG 1 hour ago
 
sounds like me
 
Domagoj me me me f.... you long long long time
 
user1804599
Yeah. :v
 
10:26 PM
oh noes, he said "fuck"
flag him immediately.
 
user1804599
No. Fuck that.
 
No fuck him
 
user1804599
@AlexM. you like yourself :o
 
oh my~
 
don't~
 
10:27 PM
I mean
 
I won't
 
no
you clearly like jeffrey more than me
 
I don't like triangles.
 
> Triangles are my favorite shape
 
user1804599
@AlexM. no I don’t :[
 
user1804599
10:29 PM
Jefffrey doesn’t like triangles, so why would I like him?
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey IT’S OVER
 
OK
 
@AlexM. Jeffrey stole a shoe from a kid, and he put it in the avatar photo, so we can all see his loot, shame on him!
 
was it an epic shoe though?
 
user1804599
Speaking of shoes.
 
user1804599
10:31 PM
I should get new shoes.
 
Oh my god I believe that he stole the shoe but cutting off the kid's foot!!!
 
user1804599
Speaking of getting new shoes.
 
user1804599
I should sleep.
 
user1804599
@Jefffrey Have fun while being banned. :v
 
@AlexM. epic?
 
10:33 PM
@DeadMG The second time around his company also got hit by the bus.
 
and 1 and 2 and 1.. 2.. 3..
 
It would have been
 
@rightfold OMG I totally need to buy new shoes before Thursday.
 
boom
 
If instead of a kid's shoe he put Gandalf's sandals
 
user1804599
10:33 PM
I thought of getting DCs for a change.
 
user1804599
Converse and Vans are getting boring.
 
@rightfold there are no shoes like Nike
 
user1804599
Blehwrg Nike.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait, what really happened to Domagoj?
 
Who the fuck knows?
 
user1804599
10:35 PM
These seem nice.
 
He just disappeared off the face of the Earth. Again. And took his company with him.
 
@EtiennedeMartel The first time, there was a death in the family or something like that.
 
@rightfold are you female?
 
user1804599
Maybe.
 
user1804599
I’m going to sleep. Goodbye.
 
10:36 PM
@DeadMG Yeah, I knew about that one. Then he came back and said he really wanted to work on Kyrostat or whatever.
Then he disappeared again.
 
Feb 27 '13 at 22:54, by Domagoj Pandža
Hey, everyone. I've been away for a long time. Suffice it to say, I've lost someone a couple of months back and didn't see the sense of remaining around... Well, anywhere. After a few months, I returned to SO every once in a while, lurk the DX questions but didn't feel welcome here, so I simply stayed away.
 
@rightfold In Australia they also have neutral
 
They have neutral everywhere.
No one makes gearboxes without neutral.
 
No I mean constituted
:P
 
user1804599
Do they have “confused?”
 
10:38 PM
Neutral gender
I don
t know
have they?
 
Constipated.
 
institutionalized
 
new thrall
 
Being of neutral means being wealthy?
 
warcraft has neutral too
 
10:43 PM
@AlexM. new thrall is female
 
not true, new thrall is clearly neutral
 
female neutral
anyway
is it rich?
Goodnight fellows
 
sleep well
 
11:13 PM
> [MS-ABI] Implements MS-compatible RTTI
Enables the emission of MS-compatible RTTI data structures for use with
typeid, dynamic_cast and exceptions. ...
Error	8	error : cannot compile this try statement yet	C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 12.0\VC\include\ostream
Well I guess it's progress, for the last 9 months or so it choked on RTTI
 
This is getting out of hand http://t.co/c9Opr7SNRH
 
If a mass murderer wrote he was inspired by "news media glorification of other killers" I wonder what the news coverage would be?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum the fuck
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah. people are weird
 
11:54 PM
Hello.
I am back from my 3 day memorial day vacation.
> I'm very glad for this change because as a PoC I felt very uncomfortable seeing and using this terminology in my code
lol programmers truly are the strangest people
 
trolling all the way
 

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