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8:01 PM
@Shog9 He handled it very well. I would've been too afraid to yell at everyone or touch the room owner's list.
I didn't find out about the mess until very late last night and I wasn't in the mood to step in. By the time I woke up, it had already been resolved.
 
@sehe I'm not sure 'yes' is the right response... it wasn't an offer.
 
I didn't even know what to do when I saw the transcript...
 
@Shog9 What, in your opinion, has been "done", by one of the four appointed owners, to "resolve" this situation? 'Cause I missed it. (or not)
 
@Mysticial I was pretty much the same--I dropped by around midnight CA time, but was way too tired to really deal with anything right then.
 
@sehe For one, he was able to read Shog's mind and judge that it was appropriate to add back most of the room owners.
I didn't even dare to touch that list even though I know most of the room owners are not at fault.
 
8:05 PM
Oh. He did? Mmmm. Didn't notice. Why do we not get plinks :)
 
I personally think this is getting way more attention than it should; as in, it's being taken a tad too seriously - so we had a body-part in the lounge name; alright - big deal
no need to call the cavarly
 
I only noticed he lashed out at LRIO and removed him from the list.
 
@thecoshman Ooooh.
 
@ScarletAmaranth agreed
 
@ScarletAmaranth I think it's pretty useless to sit there and state as much. Everyone here might agree. But then, there is reality
 
8:06 PM
@sehe In short: He stepped in and took charge.
 
user1804599
@ScarletAmaranth Actually, it wasn’t a body part.
 
@Mysticial Meh. I did so yesterday.
 
user1804599
rightfold’s vagina is nonexistent.
 
@sehe your comment is, on the other hand, much more "useful" I see
people state things here; yes
 
8:07 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Just pointing out you're only adding noise
 
user1804599
Perlin noise.
 
@sehe some call it "chatting"
 
Oooh
I didn't know I should have ignored this chatting. I never know when I'm expected to
 
Don't make so much noise pls.
 
haha :)
 
8:09 PM
I'm trying to concentrate.
 
Perlinpinpin
 
user1804599
@StackedCrooked Dan moet je meer sinaasappelsap drinken. Is gemaakt uit concentraat.
 
user1804599
@EtiennedeMartel Prelintintin
 
sbi
@sehe Because you read the transcript anyway, no? :)
FWIW, I wasn't plinked here either, the only reason I dropped in was that @Xeo texted me to tell me I was back as an owner.
 
8:12 PM
Often do. But not as thorough any more.
Anyways, thanks for restoring some balance there. Cheers
 
sbi
@sehe Actually, I didn't lash out. I tried to get an overview of what's happened as quickly as possible. I saw regret about Tomalak being in charge, and that fit my experience with him from the time I was active here. Add to this the statements I linked to, and I didn't think he should stay an owner. What of that would you see a "lashing out"?
I was weary about putting the puppy back in charge, and in the end I just forgot about him, :-/ Apart from these two, I just tried to put back everybody I thought seemed a regular.
 
Xeo
@ScarletAmaranth twas good
and now for Nine Schools comp :D
 
@sbi debeat
 
@sbi I did say "But yeah..." - I know where you came from. But the comments on meta were pretty mild or even erring on the sane side if you ask me. Anyways, removing one of the appointed room owners on a whim because of /any/ comment is lashing out.
I never said it's inappropriate. I might have done the same, but I wasn't owner any longer :)
 
so erm... any chance I could get a tl;dr of what the fuck happened?
 
sbi
8:20 PM
@sehe Define "appointed room owner".
 
@sbi That's precisely what I'd have done (only, I'd not "forget" the puppy: I'd purposely leave him off for a while. He did mess up)
@sbi Hey. I didn't come up with that. Ask Shog. It's the same one who's thanking you for cleaning up, after incapacitating the others... (only a bit bitter there)
 
sbi
@sehe Shog just put back in whoever he thought might help to resolve whatever situation he saw here. This rooms has always been pretty self-governing, though.
 
So. Appointed.
 
user1804599
@thecoshman Some troll told us we have to talk about C++ because of the room name. I told puppy to change room name to Lounge<Penis> so we should have to talk about penises. Puppy changed room name to Lounge<Rightfold's Vagina>. Havoc.
 
sbi
8:23 PM
@sehe The other three hadn't done anything to put things back in order, and Tomalak even seemed to gloat about his new exposed role.
FWIW, I said this about the room this morning, and I stand to it:
I know that room has been a thorn in the side of some of meta's most active users for years, but it also has been one of the most popular rooms, and one populated by some people who contribute quite a lot to SO. I happen to think this is no coincidence. The room has its own culture, sometimes that culture leaks out of it, and a few times that has been unfortunate. That'd be no different from meta's culture then, if you allow for the fact that the culture is different. — sbi 7 hours ago
@Xeo To install someone like this is often a good bet. :)
 
@Shog9 Thanks, I know the JS room would really appreciate that. We have a lot of logic in the bot we'd really like to dump
 
so who started adding/removing owners from the room?
 
user3010322
Read das transcript.
 
@sbi I hear you (though I don't see how it's a reply :))
I do not like that all owners were being treated as "bad". Everybody has been repeating this over and over
20 hours ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit
To be fair, the room name Lounge<Rightfold's Vagina> was absolutely inappropriate. Yet another example of Lounge owners thinking they are above SO, forgetting that this room is part of it. Grow up.
 
@Shog9 wouldn't the same system still work? If you make a room, you own it, if you want to grant ownership to someone else, you can. The only thing I'd say you would want to separate is that special power of controlling who has 'owner tools' for a room.
 
8:31 PM
I mean, I wasn't even around and I managed to revert the room title, in a sec, with no discussion necessary. That was before I was booted from the owner list. Go figure.
 
@thecoshman Shog kicked the puppy from the list. Tony added him back immediately. At some point, somebody noticed and Shog was notified. He then did this: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/16524139#16524139
And all hell broke loose.
 
(^that's only a sample. @Mysticial has been saying the same, and obviously the mods)
 
user1804599
That reminds me.
 
user1804599
I still have to tell those people about it.
 
sbi
@sehe See, compare that to my comment I just quoted. That's why I think he doesn't make a good room owner for this room.
 
8:34 PM
@sbi I don't know how I can make myself any more clear. I AGREED
 
sbi
@sehe Which got the two of them in charge.
 
Still this????
 
Jerry and I didn't know about the removal of the owners until very late last night. At which point both us were dead tired and really had no idea what the hell to do.
 
That's just funny. Since they didn't fix it.
 
@sehe Not me!
 
8:35 PM
29 mins ago, by ScarletAmaranth
I personally think this is getting way more attention than it should; as in, it's being taken a tad too seriously - so we had a body-part in the lounge name; alright - big deal
I like this
 
@Shog9 FWIW, I was about to.
 
(more noise, sorry @sehe)
 
I'm not sure you could reasonably claim that he handled it well, but I guess that's a matter of opinion.
 
sbi
@sehe Sorry. :( (I am probably a bit distracted, because I watched Bayern beat Dortmund.)
 
user1804599
 
8:36 PM
@DeadMG You're absolved, then :)
 
@Mysticial Yeah I was gonna leave the owner's list at least for the day, then have a discussion about who to add back. I stand by my belief that this would have been superior.
 
@sehe Indeed. I am clearly the paragon of virtue in this whole thing.
 
trolololol
 
user3010322
SaintMG - because you can only be considered for sainthood by the church after you've died.
 
you know what I don't understand out of all of this? Why am I not room owner yet?!
 
8:37 PM
Not true in practice.
 
@ThePhD arrangements can be made
 
@sbi I beg your pardon? "Gloat"? I took the role very seriously and I would ask you to stop making baseless accusations.
 
sbi
@thecoshman You not understanding it is precisely why you aren't.
 
because we all know that you murdered that co-worker who mysteriously died a couple years back.
 
Wait, why am I bothering?
 
sbi
8:38 PM
Exactly.
 
Well at least you know you're impossible to talk with. Suppose that's a start.
 
@ScarletAmaranth You know, it's not about that, but I guess you don't care. FWIW: here and this
 
@sbi I've got very little interest in digging through the shit. It should be over
 
-5
Q: Dynamic 2 D array C++

user3236449this is some kind of basic stuff, but i am amused: I want to create 2 dimensional char array, where one entry is not longer than 30 symbols, but the amount of entries is unknown. What will be the best way to do this: I have struct: struct post{ int comment_id=0; char **comment=new char*[...

We need closevoting here
 
I think I'll say it again.
 
8:40 PM
@sehe weather* :P
 
sbi
@thecoshman Neither had I. FWIW, I'm not even a regular anymore. But I still didn't want this room to go down the drain.
 
Anyway, I'd make a far better room owner than some of them (from recent experience and from the results of the Lounge poll in which a huge majority favoured my approach to the Lounge over that of one or two owners), so perhaps one day I'll get another opportunity to show that I can do it properly, without some asshat stepping in after ten minutes and single-handedly instigating regime change without debate or discussion, based on some "experience" from years ago that remains unexplained.
 
@sbi yeah I've not been on much the last few months. What's been up with, bussy with other things, or just not as interested?
 
the old boss still cares <3
 
Anyways can we just shut up about the topic? Let's get back to some template-meta-programming bullshit.
 
8:43 PM
It's really hard to see how he's in any way qualified to dictate who would and wouldn't make the Lounge "go down the drain", since he's never here, and especially given that it's the current regime that actually has made it go down the drain this weekend.
@Mysticial Honestly I prefer this to TMP ;)
I think my strimmer is done charging so I'll leave you to the TMP
 
user1804599
Haskell.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Oh, I am just way too busy to spend my time chatting with virtual pirates. :)
 
huh
I fixed some bugs and now I failed more tests than before.
3
 
@sbi must be very important work :P
 
@DeadMG Delete more tests ;p
 
sbi
8:44 PM
@thecoshman It's not only work. I currently have a hell of a month.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Thanks again. I still wonder why you didn't fix it then
 
The best way to fix all your bugs is to delete all the code. No code no bug.
 
lol
 
@sbi but I thought you were single? ooooh, what am I like :p
 
@sehe I'd been at my desk for ten minutes. I was thinking about how to proceed. I would have thought that would be admirable, but I guess not then...
 
8:45 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I was at my desk for ~12 seconds. I had fixed the room title.
 
@Mysticial false. if you have requirements, you can have bugs. You must remove requirements to remove bugs.
 
@sehe Oh, the room title
The room title had been fixed about seven hours prior, hadn't it?
 
@thecoshman Simple. Delete the requirements as well.
 
In case you're not aware, I was made owner after I went to bed.
 
Hi
 
sbi
8:46 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, it's just me. I am the sole owner of this room, and that's why nobody else could put you into charge. It's all down to me not liking you, if I weren't here all the time, the others would long since have made you the king of the room.
And now please go and crawl back under that rock you came from, you immature boy.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yup. I like to stay at the essence. The rest was just... well. Useless rubbish.
 
user1804599
IntelliJ y u no ligatures. :(
 
@sehe Sorry, I don't understand what you're referring to.
 
@sbi ¬_¬ and why don't you come down of your hobby horse before you do your back in old man
 
@sbi Why do you think it is acceptable to talk to me this way?
 
8:47 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Same here. I saw you talking on meta, but /I/ still had to fix that title. Something tells me that's odd
 
@sehe I was talking on meta, but I wasn't a room owner. I was unable to change the title.
 
sbi
@thecoshman What do you mean, "single"? I have a whole flock of kids to herd.
 
Not sure what's confusing here
In fact, you know I wasn't an owner, if you were able to fix the title, because that means you were still an owner! So that was before the owner switcheroo!
Please don't bash me for not doing something that I had no ability to do.
 
@sbi oh yeah, I forgot about those. Don't they become self sufficient when you get enough?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Sry. My bad. Several other were there too, and they were owners. And I was booted. Can you see I don't understand? (By the way, all your major contributions on Meta had my support, but you already knew)
 
8:49 PM
@sehe No worries. I think maybe you missed part of the timeline or something
 
obtw @thecoshman
 
Xeo
@sehe "Several"? IIRC, only Cat, Puppy and Mysticial on the sideline.
 
That's 4 owners. That's several!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Exactly my point indeed. I think there's quite a lot of bad judgement going on if owners get booted for fixing things.
 
@sehe to be fair, it sounds like you are fighting the wrong fight here. Even if LRIO did wait too long to fix the room name, you should be questioning why such a room name was set in the first place.
 
8:49 PM
@Xeo That's more than none
 
@sehe The owners got booted because Tony reinstated DeadMG immediately after Shog9 booted him
 
I saved this one for you!
 
@Xeo You mean frontline?
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit While nobody made you an owner, I don't make you an owner and say why I don't. If you don't like it, then just plonk me. But if you're calling me names because I do not consider you fit to be a room owner, you might have to hear why I thought so. That's social 101.
 
8:50 PM
As for why DeadMG got booted, I'll leave that one alone :)
 
@DeadMG dude, even shee looks angry to be posted
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes. I know. I told Shog9 I understand. But it doesn't make sense
 
she can hardly keep her eyes open :P
 
Could someone give me a tl;dr of what happened?
 
user1804599
@DeadMG awwwwwww
 
8:51 PM
Nope
 
@sbi "now please go and crawl back under that rock you came from, you immature boy." is hardly a reasonable argument as to my fitness to be a room owner. If you're going to call someone immature, first apply maturity to your messages.
 
I kind of slept for like 14 hours so I think I missed a lot
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit i like how you can selectively listen
 
Xeo
@Rapptz There's no way to tl;dr this whole shebang anymore.
 
8:51 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit cheers
 
@sehe I'm not selectively listening at all. I heard the rest of it. I'm talking about this particular message.
 
Xeo
Well, I can try: "Puppy drama, Meta drama, collateral damage, Ape"
6
 
Okay
 
@Rapptz I changed the room name to Lounge<Rightfold's Vagina>, there was some complaining on Meta, then there was more complaining on Meta, then a moderator came in and slapped most of us around
 
@sehe I think were I a mod I'd have simply frozen the room for 12 hours or something
 
8:52 PM
Oh I know that part
 
but left the owners list alone
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit As I said: If you don't want to listen, you don't have to. Shrug.
 
I meant what happened after the 4 owners thing.
 
@sehe it's fair enough Shog saying 'no puppy as owner', but he did't, he just removed him (as far as I can see). so of course tony would revert it.
 
I was going to start reinstating owners within the few hours after I got to my desk, but mr mature over there decided to start insulting me and whatnot before I had a shot
 
8:52 PM
@Rapptz The Ape cleaned up the mess.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman He said it on Meta
 
Oh.
 
@sbi What? When did I say I had to listen? I'm asking you to stop talking to me in such an immature and insulting manner. I've never done anything to do you deserve you talking about me in this manner.
Especially when you make such a big fuss about being old, wise and mature; perhaps one day you might consider acting like it.
 
@Xeo nope, doesn't matter. It make no sense within this room. At the least he could have linked to where he already explained why he removed puppy.
 
@Rapptz sbi dropped me, threw around some insults, then reinstated all owners except DeadMG and uninstated himself.
(which is mostly fine; as I say, I was gonna do the same thing, just without the insults)
 
8:53 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's a fact™
 
sbi
@LightnessRacesinOrbit One more time, boy: If you don't want to hear what I think about your attitude, you just need to plonk me.
 
@Rapptz And now we have a new drama going on as you can tell. Anyways. I'm flipping back to the Maid Cafe. This stopped getting interesting an hour ago.
 
Xeo
@thecoshman It makes sense within this room because the Meta discussion was about this room.
And it was even linked and discussed, so
 
@sbi You are ... an incredible person. Clearly there is no logical way to approach interactions with you.
 
@Mysticial lol
 
8:54 PM
@Xeo meta != chat
 
Xeo
@Mysticial Oh yeah, I did say I wanted to check that place out (again).
 
hmm
 
user3010322
There's a Maid Cafe here?
 
@Xeo ah, well, like I said, as far as I could see reading the transcript there was no explination.
 
I managed to construct a system where variables shadowed themselves...
 
sbi
8:54 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Of course, not. Nobody else can talk to me either.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD SE chat (specifically Anime.SE)
 
user1804599
@ThePhD Yes, with sexy French maids.
 
user3010322
Oooh.
 
Strimmer's ready
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit It strikes me as funny that you routinely sling this precise diagnosis at many people, including me, with a surprisingly high frequency
 
8:55 PM
@sehe I don't believe I've ever said that to you, have I?
If I have it's been in jest
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit HAHAHAHA
 
I enjoy talking to most people here, including yourself
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Ooooh. Gosh. You were always jesting. If I'd only realized
 
sbi
@sehe Where's that robot when you need him? :)
 
We do sometimes have heated debates about things, but I never have any personal ill-will about you
@sehe o.O
 
8:56 PM
@sbi We don't
 
@sbi Probably avoiding the room.
 
Now sehe hates me all of a sudden. What the hell. I thought we were friends.
@DeadMG Yeah I get the impression he's been avoiding it all day. Probably a good idea
 
sbi
@sehe Then you go ahead and find the citations.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, most often I can tolerate your presence, kind sir
 
8:56 PM
@sbi Was going to. Since when did people get so impatient
 
sbi
@sehe Ever since.
 
@sbi see, if you didn't cast him to the streets like some scrap you would be able to kick him into action.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit :) It means I can see what you mean, but really, you must be aware of our incompatibilities
 
if (auto fals = dynamic_cast<const AST::True*>(e)) {
    return Wide::Memory::MakeUnique<Boolean>(false, a);
}
 
@sehe I don't think there's anything wrong with having incompatibilities shrug
not inherently, anyway
 
Xeo
8:57 PM
@DeadMG again?
 
sbi
@thecoshman Hey, I took that boy home when he was too drunk to do so by himself!
 
I think it's the same spot.
ah no, one was the parser and the other was the analyzer
 
sbi
@DeadMG There's a typo in that code. Is that why it isn't working? :)
 
user1804599
Have AST::Boolean instead of AST::True and AST::False. :v
 
@sehe However I don't think it's reasonable to accuse me of falling on to baseless accusations of a lack of logic in the "conversation" that sbi and I just had. To me, it reads pretty clearly like a typical "conversation" with my ex-fiancée ;)
 
8:58 PM
@sbi and from what I've gathered, he should still be under your care. How could you turn your back on him like that, you monster!
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Me niether. Just being unable to avoid the clash can be so tiring that I'm sometimes convinced it's not worth it.
 
user1804599
You don’t have a different type for all possible integer values either.
 
@sbi I would have to estimate so.
 
@sehe Oh, it's never worth it :) But the draw of Lounge procrastination knows no bounds
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit And many others, was my point o.O
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Glad we agree there!
 
8:59 PM
@rightfold Well, actually, I will have separate types for constant integers, probably.
 
@sehe Well, I've said it to Bartek when his arguments lack basis in reality. Robot and the others have backed me up on most of those occasions.
 
but I doubt I'll have separate AST nodes.
 
Occasionally Puppy but more than anything else I enjoy tormenting him
 

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