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2:02 AM
@Crow Not inherently.
 
actually I found the problem, it's that I'm an idiot...
 
plenty of Google results for usb boot ntfs that appear non-esoteric and imply no special handling is necessary in the general case
 
I kept hitting delete to go to the menu but it was F8 on my system
 
user3010322
Guys.
 
user3010322
I believe.
 
user3010322
2:04 AM
Do you?
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
HOLY SHIT
 
user3010322
THIS CODE IS TERRIBLE
 
user3010322
AND I WROTE IT
 
user3010322
It works, but it's TERRIBLE.
 
user3010322
2:07 AM
It's... it's a MONSTER
 
user3010322
I'm... I'm going to do this code tomorrow...
 
user3010322
I don't have enough faith. I'm sorry, Bob.
 
user3010322
My practice is not strong enough.
 
why not program some happy little clouds?
that actually makes me want to program a webgl skydome now
 
"happy accidents"
 
2:17 AM
I'm about to boot to windows 8.1... maybe it will be cool
 
That is an example of a "happy accident"
 
why is this thing taking so long to load? :| it's been saying "getting ready" for like half an hour
 
That's kinda over the top.
 
2:34 AM
I am sorry but those don't seem to be funny for me :p
silly, sure >_<
 
@StackedCrooked this is awesome
 
@ThePhD Bob understands.
 
2:50 AM
usa nsa ... so close
if you rotate that u around
Lounge<NSA>
 
huh... this actually set itself up really well, least painless install process yet, liking this so far
 
3:09 AM
Mayor @DenisCoderre will be sending us a flag - thank you Mayor. When the flag arrives, we will honor our end of the wager.
Ha.
 
3:19 AM
Shog9 has frozen this room.
 
So let me explain something to you knuckleheads
"Room owner" means "Room moderator"
IOW, someone entrusted with maintaining order in a given chatroom
If you screw that up, you forfeit the right to be room owner
If I or a moderator remove someone as room owner because they screwed that up, then they stay removed.
I have neither the time nor the patience to babysit you lot. You shouldn't need babysitting. you are not babies.
9
None of this should need to be said.
 
There are now four room owners.
If they feel that someone else is suitably responsible to take on that role, they have the right to appoint them.
If one of them screws up, they'll be removed from that role.
I'm going to bed now. And gee shucks guys, I sure would love to wake up without seeing any dumb chat drama.
Good night.
 
Shog9 has unfrozen this room.
 
Wait, what?
 
3:25 AM
@Shog9, you are fucking kidding us.
 
I wasn't even there when the whole fiasco happened.
 
[gets popcorn]
 
@Shog9 With a big emphasis on the "fucking" part.
 
@RobertHarvey You're late bub
 
s/big/HUGE/
 
3:26 AM
@BoltClock Looks like I got here just in time.
 
@Griwes so not kidding. Good night.
 
[crickets]
 
@RobertHarvey Told ya
 
So, what's going on, exactly?
 
Probably has something to do with this.
Ok, look: however you split this, the name was inappropriate. And you really should know better, because this isn't the first time this sort of thing has come up. Removing you as a room owner, because it's Friday night here in the USofA and folks have better things to do than babysit a chat room - please try to keep things reasonably calm until after beer time. — Shog9 ♦ 3 hours ago
Actually, this.
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Q: Are chat rooms allowed to be named after genitalia?

CupcakeI was browsing the front-page of Meta, and I noticed off to the right a very strange and kind of inappropriate name for a chat room: However, when I look at the chat room info directly, the name of the room appears as Lounge<C++> Questions Are chat rooms allowed to be named after genit...

O.o
Hello, GUID.
Wow, this is the quietest I've seen this room. Think I'll get some furniture and move in.
 
3:37 AM
... popcorn anyone?
 
Erm, is something going on?
 
user3010322
Ooh, lots of blue people!
 
user3010322
... Wait, hold on. That's... usually a bad thing?
 
user3010322
WHOOOA this room has 4 owners wat.
 
Scroll up a bit.
 
user3010322
3:40 AM
And LRIO is now a moderator!
 
@StackedCrooked A bunch of owners got demoted.
@ThePhD And sbi is too.
 
user3010322
sbi booted himself from the list a while ago because he didn't like the power.
 
user3010322
Also, I don't quite understand why the moderator list was nuked.
 
Scroll up a bit.
 
@ThePhD The whole genitalia title thing.
 
user3010322
3:41 AM
Yeah, but the room title was changed and most people involved said they understood not to do something like that??
 
user3010322
And BoltClock posted an answer. o_o
 
user3010322
And LRIO
 
user3010322
zhm.
 
user3010322
Part of me is terrifed of LRIO being a room owner, I think.
 
I just killed a kitten. I know it was wrong, but I promise not to ever do it again.
 
user3010322
3:42 AM
@RobertHarvey Point taken.
 
@RobertHarvey No hyperbole was harmed in the writing of this sentence.
 
user3010322
Well, shucks.
 
welp
no exactly the right time to ask questions, is it?
 
Hey, maybe it's time we finished that LoungeChat thing.
 
user3010322
Chuckles.
 
user3010322
3:43 AM
WebSocket implementation was done, but I never made it support older versions of the protocol.
 
user3010322
Plus, uh. Most people want something in the browser. I got 0 browser skills.
 
@zneak You mean C++ questions? I don't actually know any C++, but you can try anyway.
 
@ThePhD I can do that.
 
Xeo
... wtf
 
@Xeo Yep.
 
user3010322
3:45 AM
WHOA
 
user3010322
XEO'S NAME IS NOT IN ITALICS
 
Xeo
1) why am I awake at 5:45AM
 
user3010322
That's pretty scary.
 
You just missed all the excitement.
 
user3010322
I don't feel right in a place where Xeo cannot be my master.
 
3:45 AM
I think the worst part in this is that Tomalak is now an owner.
2
 
user3010322
Tee hee.
 
Xeo
2) That ^
@Shog9 FYI, sbi removed himself long ago because a) he just wasn't as active here
and b) because people kept relying on him for power
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: New here? Read this first: loungecpp.net [c++] [c++11] [c++1y] [c++-faq]
 
Xeo
Also, lol, Robot removed but LRIO added.
 
user3010322
Mmm.
 
3:49 AM
Shog is a meanie.
 
Such a meanie.
 
Xeo
I'll just politely say that I disagree with the choices that were made.
 
user3010322
I'm trying to figure out why this didn't happen... 5 hours ago, ro whenever that question was answered on meta?
 
@Xeo And so many hours after the fact. It seems weird.
 
user3010322
Did somebody do something new to tip the moderators off??
 
user3010322
3:50 AM
There has to be something I'm missing.
 
You mean besides the vagina thing?
 
DeadMG put vagina in the title.
Yeah, vagina is a forbidden word.
 
Oh, so everyone has to pay for puppy's actions?
Man.
 
I think you guys would have gotten a pass had you not reinstated the room owner that Shog removed initially.
 
Someone crossed shog. That's what happen.
 
3:51 AM
He didn't set you up the bomb until that happened.
 
NO ONE crosses shog, and that's a good thing.
OMW I'm talking in the C++ room!
 
user3010322
@RobertHarvey Wait a second.
 
@Seth It's not really that impressive.
 
user3010322
That comment about removing DeadMG from the room moderator list actually happened?
 
user3010322
.... And then he got added back? o.0
 
3:52 AM
@ThePhD That does explain a lot of things.
 
So who added him back..?
 
user3010322
Well, that's directly crossing a moderator action.
 
He shall be hanged.
 
user3010322
So yeah, now it makes loads more sense.
 
Tony The Lion added DeadMG back.
 
Xeo
3:52 AM
@RobertHarvey So, collateral damage.
 
Well... yeah.
 
@Xeo I guess SO chat doesn't have the proper tools to allow for more accurate action.
 
Shog has big guns he can bring to bear.
 
Xeo
Welp, whatever.
Let's wait till Jerry or Mysticial turn up
although they should be here, given the time
 
Can I take this opportunity to just say that I told you so?
 
user3010322
3:54 AM
Mmm.. maybe, maybe not.
 
user3010322
I mean, usually they're here.
 
user3010322
But sometimes they're not, at least from what I noticed when I was never-sleeping.
 
They probably left when the room was frozen.
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey Dunno, I missed the last 10 hours by being asleep unusually early.
 
I haven't said much in the past 10 hours.
 
user3010322
3:56 AM
See, Xeo?
 
user3010322
This si what happens when the Berliners are not sleeptalking.
 
user3010322
The Lounge becomes unguarded.
 
Fill the moat with alligators. That'll learn them.
 
user3010322
So wait.
 
user3010322
Shog said we had the ability to re-appoint people...
 
user3010322
3:57 AM
Can we reappoint anyone (except DeadMG, which is what triggered this in the first place)?
 
Do that, and I'll freeze the room myself.
 
user3010322
Oh.
 
user3010322
:c
 
user3010322
Well, Robot, Xeo, Rapptz all deserve to be room mods. They were elected in by majority votes and have been good to everyone.
 
You can take that up with Shog when he's in a better mood.
 
Xeo
3:59 AM
34 mins ago, by Shog9
If they feel that someone else is suitably responsible to take on that role, they have the right to appoint them.
Well, he did say that.
 
Common sense dictates that you wait 24 hours before you start putting people back in, especially the ones he kicked off.
 
Xeo
"especially the ones he kicked off" -- he kicked off everyone.
so yeah
 
Well, there you go.
 
user3010322
Heh.
 
[tries to think of meaningful Winston Churchill quote to insert here]
 
4:01 AM
Let's form a 90 day owner recovery plan.
Very subtly we add new owners.
 
Does it involve regaining the trust of the powers that be?
 
Just kidding. I should sleep soon.
 
Xeo
I don't quite know what 90% of the booted people did to lose that.
 
'sup cup.
 
user456814
<wave>
 
user3010322
4:03 AM
@Xeo My mother's motto of "We all sink and swim together" comes to mind.
 
@Xeo It is my feeling that Shog sensed some complicity.
 
user3010322
Vocal minority = majority in any given situation
 
It's not about that.
 
user3010322
Jerry Coffin is trusted because he's a longstanding user that keeps out of people's way. Mysticial has been positive on meta and SO proper. LRIO has never agreed with the Lounge's policies. And.... I forgot the 4th person that's a room owner, but yeah. THey're there because!
 
You didn't really expect him to keep room owners that disagreed with him, do you?
 
user3010322
4:05 AM
Of course not.
 
Like I said, wait for him to cool down.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD The ape is the fourth
 
And for God's sake, quit changing the name of the room.
 
Xeo
What exactly is the problem with that, assuming non-offensive names?
 
You change it to keep newbs out. If that's the case, then just admit that you're not a C++ room, change it to something more appropriate, and leave it.
 
4:08 AM
@Xeo he's the old boss of the room
 
Sixteen room owners, and you can't deal with the occasional newb? ffs.
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey That's not quite correct. We had a habit of changing it approximately once per day to something funny.
 
And now you don't.
 
Xeo
Now it's not once-per-day anymore, right.
But when I change the room name, it's because I thought of a funny one (or what I think to be a funny one). Same for the topic.
 
AFAIK we're not violating any rules by changing the room name.
Apart from DeadMG, that is.
 
4:11 AM
You guys keep forgetting that the room name is a public artifact. We don't allow user name changes very often for reasons that should be obvious, and we certainly don't allow people to put whatever they want in their user names. Profiles are different; people can put whatever they want in there, so long as they're not recruiting terrorists.
Same with the room, and its name.
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey It's not that we don't want to deal with noobs. Or that we can't deal with them. Hell, I'll gladly answer a noob's questions as long as they're reasonable. The big problem are the unreasonable noobs. And we can't deal with those because we don't have the tools.
 
I have heard that complaint before.
 
Xeo
The number of room owners doesn't matter one bit, because a room owner has basically 0 power to actually moderate a person in chat. The best they can do is bin and gallery.
Gallery is annoying (since it has no "default write" list), and binning is only for cleaning up things that happen, not preventing more of the same from happening
 
Your room owners can't kick people?
 
Xeo
lol, no
 
4:14 AM
How do you raise a moderator's attention? There's always some diamond hanging around Stack Overflow.
 
Xeo
We can change to gallery mode and just not add certain people to the white list. But that's annoying, and the opposite of what we actually want. We want a black list, i.e., by default everyone can write, but we can remove people from that.
 
The Javascript room does that. They just make everyone room owner. It's a huge mess.
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey That sounds like the same basic problem as with normal flags - it's annoying unrelated people.
 
The only reason mods do some weird thing with flags is because, out of context, "Fuck you and the horse your mother rode in on" looks really inflammatory.
And those things shouldn't really be flagged anyway, unless it's a huge problem.
If you've got a problem with a newb, and it's a general problem (I don't mean that you get annoyed... that's not a genuine problem), and you can't deal with it using the tools you have, then get the attention of a mod.
and let him deal with it.
 
But for the most part, these rooms are supposed to run on their own.
 
Xeo
4:18 AM
> and you can't deal with it using the tools you have
 
I don't mean annoyance.
 
Xeo
Give us tools first :P
 
@Robert I agree. However, SE really does need to provide better moderational tools for public rooms by non-moderators (i.e. room owners).
 
@Xeo Respectfully, that's not how it works. You demonstrate that you can use the tools responsibly, without vaginas popping out all over the place, and then maybe they'll give you the tools.
 
@RobertHarvey The tools aren't even there in the first place
 
Xeo
4:19 AM
Sorry, but this and that are completely unrelated. We've been asking for better moderation tools for ages.
 
Which is why you need to be given some, isn't it? :/
 
@RobertHarvey I get the feeling the reason we don't have such tools is because there's not enough resources on Stack Exchange's side to implement them.
 
That's probably true. But it doesn't mean that you just operate your own government because the one you have didn't give you a gavel.
 
Xeo
Can you please not mix up these two issues? Moderation is not just a problem in this room.
 
Evidence seems to suggest otherwise.
You said yourself you can't control your newbs. And then there's the room name thing.
 
Xeo
4:23 AM
Right. That's why the Android room is in gallery mode and employs a bot to deal with the "adding people to the white list" stuff.
 
You guys with all your brain power can't figure out how to politely tell these folks they need to go read your FAQ first and get some more C++ schooling? The Android folks, I can understand. You guys have no excuse.
 
@RobertHarvey Several popular-language rooms have lots and lots of room owners
 
We've had to kick one person out of The Whiteboard, in the whole time I've been there.
One.
 
I have a feeling someone will do something about the other rooms eventually
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey The reasonable newbies will accept that. The unreasonable ones? PLX SOLVE PROBLEM NOWZ.
We had people ignore our advice so often
 
4:26 AM
I get it. I'm a mod on Stack Overflow, remember?
 
@RobertHarvey Yeah but chat makes it very easy and very cheap to be a help vampire
 
Xeo
Right. Then why are you telling us to deal with it in a way that doesn't really work?
 
Hmm, my question should be interesting but it has a low view count. Any suggestions to spruce it up?
 
You can get indefinitely banned from Q&A if you post sufficient crap and refuse to do anything to improve your situation, but it is never the case for chat
 
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Q: Completion routines in event-driven networking

PotatoswatterBSD kqueue EVFILT_WRITE and Linux epoll EPOLLOUT tell you when a socket write buffer has space available. However, the more common I/O programmer interface is a completion routine. I don't see how to reliably implement the latter using the former. Reading a bit in Boost.Asio sources, it looks li...

 
4:27 AM
And if you think people who are unwilling to improve their Q&A are any more willing to improve their chat behavior, well...
 
Xeo
@Potatoswatter C and networking? Sorry, you're outta luck :P
 
@Potatoswatter 2hard
 
I still haven't heard anyone in here say "Yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that."
 
such skill level, much expertise
 
@Xeo Elaborate? There seem to be plenty of C networking q's…
 
Xeo
4:28 AM
What the Clock says
Most people probably won't even understand what your question is about, so won't view it
 
Hmm, hidden inside the obscure "how to implement completion routines?" question is an accessible "do completion routines actually work?" question.
I should open another one separately and then link back to the original.
Thanks all!
 
Xeo
@RobertHarvey Oh, I haven't said that because I thought that was obvious.
 
@Xeo Yeah. It's sad really. Expert questions and answers by nature are hard to understand and so won't get as many upvotes as they deserve. Beginner bikeshed questions, on the other hand... (which leads to the repwhoring answers issue too)
 
@Xeo Fair enough.
 
@BoltClock Well, just look at my question history and you'll see that trend bucked.
 
4:31 AM
@BoltClock There was a guy for awhile who was trolling the Bounties page, making like 1100 rep per day.
 
@RobertHarvey MrGomez?
 
Yeah, that's him.
 
He's great, we need more folks like him. He almost seems well-rounded too
 
(Er, I guess I did answer many of my own "expert-level" questions, though. But they did get votes.)
 
@Potatoswatter There might just be a lot of experts in the same domain as you :P
 
4:36 AM
Next time a newb comes here wanting to ask a question, the first question you ask them should be "Have you read this? loungecpp.net/w/Asking_questions"; If they say no, "Go ahead. We'll wait."
 
Xeo
we've been doing basically that for a while
 
user3010322
We do that everytime a new person shows up. o_o
 
Xeo
5:02 AM
> Huge Sperm and Giant Tentacles: Relax, It's Marine Biology
Dat SciShow title
 
Weird thing to come back to.
Let's see..
 
 
1 hour later…
6:46 AM
Oh - the room got frozen at some stage. I'm guessing that the 'rightfold' room name issue is still rumbling on..
 
Xeo
Check Shog's pinned message and go from there
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
I guess I’ve missed something fun.
 
@Xeo I read it and understood it.
@RobertHarvey Yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that.
 
Xeo
Oh yeah, about that. "We". Right.
3 hours ago, by Xeo
I don't quite know what 90% of the booted people did to lose that.
 
6:53 AM
I see Cat is a majority share-holder of the current starboard
WTF happened with room owners?!
 
Xeo
8 mins ago, by Xeo
Check Shog's pinned message and go from there
 
@ScarletAmaranth Shoggy went on a rampage after the 'rightfold' incident.
 
was it the vagina room name?
 
Xeo
@MartinJames Actually, after Tony added Puppy back into the owner list after Shog removed him
 
@ScarletAmaranth NO! Everyone keeps getting it wrong - it was the 'rightfold' room name.
@Xeo Yeah.. I'm catching up now.
 
6:57 AM
so let me get this straight
he never is in this room or anything like that
yet he feels entitled to mess with room's owners?
 
Puppy got bitten - it's a shoggy dog story.
 
Xeo
He's a moderator, he is entitled to do that.
But
3 hours ago, by Xeo
I'll just politely say that I disagree with the choices that were made.
Particularly the collateral damage to the owner list.
 
no that's just stupid - so he got offended because Tony re-added puppy after Shog removed him from the list?
was he like: "RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!!!"? (south park anyone?)
 
Xeo
No
 
user1804599
10 hours ago, by rightfold
inb4 room frozen by Gordon.
 
Xeo
6:59 AM
Shog booted Puppy, let's face it, for a very good reason from the list.
 

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