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10:00 AM
@Rapptz To scare away the incompetent ones.
 
I always get "no results found please search on google" which helps out a bit since google does usually have it
 
Can I start a conversation with Oscar in the bin?
 
am I really the only one who runs into this issue? :(
another example is searching move
 
@User17 Of course, I would never suggest that you stretch its neck further.
 
@Rapptz Yes. Everybody else learned long ago to start by searching with Google.
 
10:02 AM
@Rapptz I have a keyword set in Google Chrome so that "cpp foo" becomes "foo site:cppreference.com".
 
Shall I start a meta question: better bins! ... did I say question? Then it shall be: Better Bins?
 
if you click the first (and only std::move) link then you go to algorithm/move instead of utility
@JerryCoffin yeah I guess.
 
Imagine Stackoverflow with the best bins around on the face of earth ... that would imply the people here generate a lot of garbage.
 
@ptic12 By the way, I don't mean to sound like an ass. I appreciate the site, just the search irked me quite a few times :(
 
@JerryCoffin it is a stupid thing to do though...
 
10:08 AM
@Rapptz scroll to see also !
 
@thecoshman It would be, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time somebody went to extra work to do something stupid, but when dealing with human nature, laziness usually wins.
 
JBL
@User17 I laugh at the delicious irony in this statement.
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@JBL Yeah - like there's a sudden garbage shortage.
 
@Pawnguy7 well, yeah
 
JBL
@MartinJames As if "shortage" was a bad thing there hehe.
 
sbi
Hi.
 
JBL
Hello !
 
10:33 AM
dood
 
@CatPlusPlus lekker positief ;)
 
user1804599
lol
 
mm
I found the paper!
 
@JerryCoffin stupid puts up a mighty strong fight though :P
 
10:45 AM
what paper?
 
I think open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2013/n3748.pdf could answer my question here stackoverflow.com/questions/20124575/… , sadly its not implemented yet :(
@nightcracker conversion operators to auto
 
sbi
So I am back at hitting the brick wall of this implementation's tuples only supporting up to eight elements. Looked at boost::tuple, and they have the same limit. I am now looking into boost::fusion::vector, which allows up to 50. Sigh.
 
Xeo
@sbi IIRC you can define the limit for Boost.Tuple yourself
 
This might have a big impact on compile times though.
 
JBL
@gnzlbg Shit there's my (former) CPP teacher amongst the authors :D
 
10:47 AM
Nah
 
sbi
@Xeo Nope. Not in 1.52, anyway.
 
@JBL tell him about my question. They focus only on a matrix type in the paper but if they can improve vector<bool> with it the paper might get more traction. I need the feature for my library-only implementation of a Struct of Arrays container for SG7.
 
JBL
@gnzlbg Well I'm not a student anymore, but I could try to reach him if you want. (No guarantee though :/)
 
@gnzlbg Everyone hates vector<bool>, but the Committee won't break existing code by removing it.
 
Tuples that large should probably be structs
 
10:49 AM
@DeadMG its about making it play better with auto, not breaking it. Using it with auto can lead to hard to debug errors.
 
actually, you would break the public API by changing it's auto behaviour.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus In this code I am abusing tuples for representing state transitions in a state machine. As it turned out, there are indeed state machines that have more than 10 states, while our tests... :-/
 
auto b = vec[1]; has quite different semantics to bool b = vec[1]; for vector<bool>.
 
yes, but right now that changes the value of the vector! which is not what the user should have intended.
 
@sbi Are you using boost msm?
 
10:51 AM
@sbi Boost.FSM?
 
no it wasn't.
 
why isn't the boost namespace called boos::?
 
if I have vector<bool>, it's quite legal for me to do auto b = vec[1]; b = true; if I want to.
 
msm is really slow if you have a lot of transitions, but it's very powerful as well
 
Or MSM whatever
 
JBL
10:51 AM
@nightcracker boo::
 
sbi
Nope, this is a small proprietary implementation of a state machine.
 
Xeo
There are two state-machine implementations in Boost, IIRC
 
It could probably be an array instead of a tuple
 
@JBL bost::
 
Xeo
MetaStateMachine and something else
 
10:52 AM
Statechart
 
My TCP state machine based on MSM has 22 transitions. So I had to increase the limit as well.
 
@DeadMG yes but right now that changes the value stored in the vector which is not what the users should have intended. He should have written auto& b for that.
 
In hindsight, Statechart might have been a better option. Since connection establishment isn't performance critical.
 
@DeadMG Anyways, I don't really care about fixing vector<bool>. The feature would allow e.g. to writte a dynamic_bitset with the semantics of a typical container.
 
sbi
Earlier this week Scott Meyers said something like this: "I wanted to complement this seminar with a nice implementation of a simple state machine, so I set out googling what the state of the art in state machine design is. As it turned out, there's not the state of the art, but dozens. In the reference section of your seminar material you'll find a document linked that compares no less than 17 common state machine designs. Having found this, I gave up."
 
10:54 AM
Why would you want to shoehorn those semantics to a bitset
Win8 is stuck at "making sure you're ready to install; this will take a few minutes" for like half an hour
Stupid disk
 
If you have a fast compiler then I would consider boost msm to be state of the art.
 
@gnzlbg I think that's a misguided goal :S
 
I can not for the life of me comprehend that <cstdint> was introduced in c++11
 
@CatPlusPlus such that they work more like a normal container. auto& b = vec[1]; b = false;` should modify the value in the bitset, but auto b = vec[1]; b = false; should not. In generic code people have to be extremely careful with auto if they want to support proxy types.
 
@nightcracker Why?
 
10:57 AM
Ugh references to bits
It's not a container
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because it's so infinitely useful
 
@CatPlusPlus its a proxy type.
Only with better semantics
 
@nightcracker Oh, you were being ironic.
 
vector<bool> is an abonimation
 
woot. newsworthy
 
10:57 AM
@gnzlbg Whatever
 
Good 'noon
 
JBL
@CatPlusPlus Yet doesn't it use the interface of one ?
 
Implementation details
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I mean I can't comprehend why it was introduced that LATE
 
sbi
10:59 AM
Anyway, this state machine needs a tuple of template<State StartState, Event TriggerEvent, State TargetState> struct transition; (all enum types) and, at runtime, traverse it to find one matching a specific start state and trigger event. I have this all working with std::tr1::tuple, and now I am stuck with boost::fusion::vector.
 
You mean, you can't comprehen why it wasn't introduced much earlier :)
 
sbi
Does anybody here know a thing or two about using Fusion?
 
People apparently didn't care about portability much
 
@JBL Only if you try to shoehorn it there and it doesn't quite fit. (square peg/round hole thing)
 
Implementing a container of pixels, bits, or a scattered container such that it looks like a normal container is impossible, and auto just makes it harder :/
 
10:59 AM
@sbi What is the question?
 
@sbi Can't you just make last element of the tuple another tuple
 
JBL
@R.MartinhoFernandes I never got to the point of using vector<bool> (apparently, "thank god"), so just wondering.
 
Also, reinventing Boost MSM?
 
Or even transform the entire thing into a cons list with tuples
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes why do you think it is a misguided goal?
 
11:01 AM
> "In generic code people have to be extremely careful [with auto] if they want to support proxy types."
Your own words
 
sbi
@sehe I have a boost::fusion::vector<> of those transition thingies and a State start_state plus an Event trigger_event variable. Iterate over the vector and find the matching target_state.
 
TPB is down:(( No proxies can contact it.
 
Xeo
@sbi boost::fusion::for_each or somesuch?
 
Was linked to this answer, recognised the topic, remembered I'd posted a proper answer on a similar question some time in the past, spent 15 minutes trying to find it, turns out it's the same question and my answer is right above the one I was linked to. FML.
 
sbi
@CatPlusPlus There'll be developers coming after me who will have to maintain this code. Also, it has to be usable.
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11:02 AM
And you're using MPL/Fusion?
 
@sehe but users shouldn't need to be careful. They should be able to use auto in an expected way.
 
Make a cons list and process it recursively
 
@sbi Did you try fusion:find / fusion::find_if? boost.org/doc/libs/1_55_0/libs/fusion/doc/html/fusion/algorithm/…
 
sbi
@Xeo There's even a find_if. But from what I can grasp from the doc it only takes and MPL metafunction, and I think I can't use this to search fro values known at runtime. ICBWT. (@sehe)
 
@gnzlbg Because typical bitset usage is unlike typical container usage?
 
Xeo
11:03 AM
@sbi That's the meta-iteration functions
 
@sbi Looks like you're wrong :)
 
sbi
@sehe I have two days to fix this issue. From a quick glance, this seems to be about the time I'd need to just read the docs on boost's state machine implementation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes but there are other cases where a proxy type is useful. The user shouldn't need to know that he is getting a proxy. It should just work. As a library writer the task is really hard. Auto makes it worse because the user doesn't write the type and thus doesn't get an implicit conversion.
 
@sbi TBH it looks like I linked to compiletime functions indeed. I know for_each boost.org/doc/libs/1_55_0/libs/fusion/doc/html/fusion/algorithm/… is runtime
If fusion doesn't have runtime find_if (surprised here), it should be relatively simple to create it from for_each
@gnzlbg the abstraction always leaks
 
11:06 AM
@gnzlbg Did I mention proxy types?
 
sbi
@Xeo Look here. This takes "A unary MPL Lambda Expression"‌​.
 
The proxy type is an implementation detail.
 
@sbi ^^ both our comments address this
 
My sentence is purely on a client POV.
 
Xeo
@sehe find_if wouldn't be possible with the expected semantics at runtime (i.e., returning some kind of iterator)
 
sbi
11:08 AM
The robot must have done something horrible to a human being. He's sentenced to a client POV.
 
@Xeo ah. so, a custom algorithm it is.
Client POW
 
Xeo
It would have to be find_if(seq, pred, f) that applies f to first matching value.
 
sbi
@sehe That seems a crutch. How do I break out of a for_each() once I have found what I am looking for? How to get back a reference to the value found?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh, but using a bitset "container" should be like using any other container.
 
@sbi fold looks to be closer. You can accumulate some state, that you can use to 'flag' whether you already found the intended result.
Maybe it's a good occasion to post on Stack Overflow
It's a decent question that is bound to help others that run into the same kind of surprise.
 
11:11 AM
I finally found an online romantic horror novel, lucky me! Not badly written either ...
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, that's probably a good idea. I'll try to do that before lunch...
 
Xeo
> bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable /cc @StackedCrooked
 
so... playing with jenkins... I have no idea what I am doing :P
 
@gnzlbg And that's very silly because you're throwing away part of what you were trying to get from using a bitset.
To squeeze the performance from a bitset you need to use it on its own terms.
The container interface is not amenable to several of those potential performance gains.
You need specialised versions of many standard algorithms, and any other algorithm you ever write may need one too.
In fact, not doing that results in worse performance than a regular array of bools would get you.
So, yes, it can be used as a container, if every time you write code that works with containers has specialised code for the bitset. Which is a bit of a stretched definition of "can be used as".
 
sbi
11:28 AM
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Q: How to find an element in a boost::fusion::vector at runtime?

sbiI have here a proprietary implementation of a generic state machine that uses a std::tr1::tuple as a transition table: template<State StartState, Event TriggerEvent, State TargetState> struct transition {...}; typedef std::tr1::tuple< transition< ready , run , running > ...

Anyway, lunch time. See you guys!
 
The cat is gonna close it as too localized.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Maybe, but not necessarily. Yes, it takes extra CPU time to un-pack and re-pack bits in a packed representation. Balanced against that, you get better cache usage because you're storing the data more densely. Especially if you're already memory bound, the latter can make (a lot) more difference than the former. Obvious example: std::vector<bool> is typically about 8 times faster than an array of bool for the sieve of Eratosthenes (even using completely naive code).
 
@JerryCoffin It depends on the operation, yes. But it's a "always good" vs "sometimes good" choice.
 
12:08 PM
Where did all the good questions go?
Hi. This is the Lounge. You belong here, but read this if you want to live.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes if you use auto you want a stack allocated bool. If you use auto& you want a reference to the bool which will give you the proxy type. This doesn't throw any optimizations.
However, if you do auto and get a proxy but think you have a local variable and assign to it, you get a bug. If you do auto and get a proxy but use it in a situation where it implicitly converts to bool, you get a stack bool anyways.
I agree however that for performance, the algorithms should be specialized for dealing with a bitset.
 
Xeo
@sbi How did you find the next state with std::tr1::tuple? You can use the same technique for boost::fusion::vector, I think.
 
This applies to bitset, and maybe other containers that use proxy types. But it doesn't apply to all containers that use proxies.
 
TPB is back. Downloading Supernatural S09E07, (yes, some loungers do watch it).
 
12:28 PM
@Xeo Fixed.
(I should really figure what is causing this.)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit it could be shorter - "Hi. This is the Lounge. Now leave."
 
@gnzlbg Using the bools does.
@gnzlbg I only say that bitsets are not used like containers.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh
 
This was a "reply" to those ads.
I used to go to that restaurant when I was in Portugal.
He organised a party under the theme "Pepsi go fuck yourself" and offered shots to anyone that would hit the Pepsi machine with the hammer.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Coca-Cola sponsored event?
 
12:33 PM
@MartinJames No, his own idea. (See Pepsi/Ronaldo thing above)
 
Xeo
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A: How to find an element in a boost::fusion::vector at runtime?

XeoWriting your own find_if is rather trivial, except for the "return the found value" part. Since a boost::fusion::vector is a heterogenous container, there is no single right type to return. One possible solution that comes to mind is accepting a continuation function that is invoked with the foun...

 
1 hour ago, by sehe
It's a decent question that is bound to help others that run into the same kind of surprise.
 
Xeo
Interesting that VC11 doesn't need the disambiguation.
 
@sehe It is yes, till the two footnotes make it too localized.
 
Xeo
@bamboon tbh, the C++03 answer is the same as the C++11 one, for the most part.
 
12:37 PM
Is the Java room here worth trying?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the moment you want to do any control flow based on the value of a bit you are going to get an implicit conversion to bool. If you are not doing any control flow but just modifying bits you never get the implicit conversion. This is true for both cases.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked ♥
@StackedCrooked Well, what is the fix?
That should hint at the cause.
 
It's sandbox processes which keep running after the request ended.
Normally the timeout mechanism should kill them after a timeout.
 
@gnzlbg That's irrelevant to my point. My point is that that is not all the usage pattern of a bitset.
 
Hmm.. I wonder if I can make my snake move on its own? Hmm.. Some loungers don't seem to like inheritance/polymophism, so I gotta use that. So, TmobileCollisionShape class..
 
12:44 PM
lol
 
SAW THAT!
 
user3010322
What did he say?!
 
huh? didn't get that :/ are you bullying no room owners again?
 
I can see that
heh snake
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Nothing for children's eyes to see.
 
user3010322
12:47 PM
q_q
 
Speaking of which I have been reading this romantic horror for the past couple of hours - went to get some water and saw a shadow through the window - scared the heck out of me. It turned out to be a possum walking on the fence >_<
 
user3010322
Oh, Xeo, did you see my problem and solution thingy I pinged you about while you were sleeping? :D
 
so it's Friday, huh?
 
@User17 Only in Oz.. Anyway, I don't know if I should be responding to you ATM - our countries are at war, (and we're losing). It's consorting with the enemy.
 
One day I am going to be a mod or hack into Stackoverflow database so I can read all the deleted messages ... one day ~_~
 
12:51 PM
@Abyx OMG it's Friday.
 
@MartinJames we love our magpies ...
 
user3010322
@melak47 So I can run your sample code
 
user3010322
It works
 
user3010322
And I can see a pretteh snake.
 
:D
arrow keys for movement :)
pause key to pause :p
 
user3010322
12:51 PM
I know. :P
 
how did you know?! did you look at the code? :p
 
user3010322
I don't have a pause key ._.
 
user1804599
@Abyx I thought it was Thursday. :|
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. The SOP for Friday is: 'Finish work early, goto bar, have two beers, take the CORRECT train home, shower/change, goto bar, more beer'.
 
@ThePhD did you fall asleep while extracting boost, or did it just take that long? :p
 
user3010322
12:54 PM
@melak47 It failed 3 times because 7zip is retarded.
 
user3010322
It extracted 9 GB of shit to TEMP, and then attempted to copy -- not cut -- the stuff from temp to the location.
 
'England collapse from 82-2 to 136 all out'.... Grrrr.. meh....
 
@ThePhD ->_->
 
@MartinJames I'm having a big dinner with my flatmates and ex-flatmates tonight.
 
user3010322
Then, when the operation failed, it left the 9 GB of shit in TEMP, so when I extracted it again,
 
user3010322
12:54 PM
I ran out of space, because 18 GB + leftover metadata <____________>
 
I am not a guy I don't watch cricket
 
I don't know anyone more sexist than you.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's fine - fits with SOP:) Anne and I are going to quiz at the club. Unfortunately, it starts at 19:30 - far too early for me to start drinking. I see trouble ahead..
 
user3010322
WHAT
 
user3010322
I missed SBI?!
 
user3010322
12:57 PM
But I wanted to hear his legendary tales of industrial pillage and plunder. :c
 
He popped in, pooped and popped out again.
 
yay, first bug in harvest is officially closed
 
@ThePhD did you notice how you can resize the window and it will keep drawing because multithreading~? :3
 
@melak47 The resize messages come in with the messages from your threads, so it should work fine as long as you don't continually resize and flood the input queue.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Kinda. I saw the pings, but I have no clue what they're about. Too lazy to read the transcript.
 
1:00 PM
@MartinJames It's not the size that matters.
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@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, that's a personal opinion:)
 
@MartinJames yeah, but if you have a while(PeekMessage(...)) loop, and resize the window, you'll be stuck in that loop until you release
so if you do your rendering on the same thread, no redraw for you! :p
 
user3010322
@Xeo Oh. Well basically, you know how in C# when you have an event <DelegateType> <Name> only the enclosing class can fire the event, and people outside the even can't do some_instance.<Name>() ? We were trying to get that same thing in a similar Event class for C++.
 
1:03 PM
PeekMessage? Wots wrong with GetMessage? No, you will not be stuck in that loop 'cos resize is not one message action - there are lots of messages triggered and those get interleaved with the messages from your threads.
 
@MartinJames err, if you do GetMessage, you won't be rendering anything ever again until a message comes in :p
 
@melak47 Sure - that's the point.
 
window events aren't the inputs my application flow cares about much though :p
 
user3010322
@Xeo We can up with 3 solutions, one from @Rapptz, one from @MarkGarcia, and another from me, all with varying degrees of consequences as to how to preserve doing some_instance.SomeEvent += SomeFunc; but also prevent some_instance.SomeEvent(); from being used outside the class.
 
Xeo
private operator() + friending would be the first approach that comes to mind
passkey would be another option, basically resulting in the same thing
 
1:06 PM
@Xeo that requires him to friend anything and everything that wants to have an event
 
@melak47 Well, I'm assuming those non-GUI-related inputs are going to your other threads?
 
Xeo
@melak47 template<class Owner> struct Event{ friend Owner; }
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes i think we are talking past each other. anyways thanks for the discussion, you have some good points that I have to consider.
 
@MartinJames yes. and the other thread does the rendering, too. why should the rendering have anything to do with the message pump
 
user3010322
 
user3010322
1:11 PM
@MarkGarcia Had the interesting approach of having a friend class of Event called EventCaller that could be the only thing that could call Event's operator() or Invoke(). Then, you could control the access level of derived or outside classes by storing the EventCaller member in public, private, or protected space.
 
@ThePhD How does that prevent EventCaller x; x.call(whatever);?
 
@melak47 What canvas are you rendering to? IIRC, canvas is bound to one thread?
 
@bamboon then don't answer to the footnotes :/
 
user1804599
Hmm.
 
@MartinJames mostly yes, a single thread does all the rendering
not sure what you mean by canvas - I'm drawing to the window's client area.
 
1:16 PM
@melak47 OK, then you must be posting messages to that thread to signal the data to be rendered. You message in bitmaps or something?
 
no, that thread renders no matter what.
 
user3010322
@R.MartinhoFernandes Hm. I didn't think about that. Regardless, this was how it was implemented: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/6749be91bac79140
 
if any events/inputs occur, they get processed, and the altered state may result in a different something being rendered
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Whose was that?
 
user3010322
But now I see you can just do EventCaller<int> x( a.Woof ); x( some_integer ); and violate the whole infrastructure, so it's not the best guarantee. x3
 
1:18 PM
@MartinJames also..."messaging in bitmaps" ..what?
 
user3010322
@Xeo This was an implementation of @MarkGarcia's idea.
 
Xeo
@ThePhD The one with friend Owner;?
It thought he had the EventCaller one
 
user3010322
@Xeo Oh, no. That one was mine.
 
Xeo
What approach did @Rapptz have?
 
Does someone know, if there is a simple solution for encoding a few data points in strings? I know boost serialization (not really readable) or writing it myself with boost spirit... But it feels like there needs to be something simpler :-(
 
1:20 PM
@melak47 Mybe I misunderstand your design:( I have apps where bitmaps are assembled in non-GUI threads and then posted to the GUI thread for the actual rendering onto a canvas. I thought that was what you were doing.
 
@MartinJames think video game :/
you don't want to stop simulating and rendering just because nobody is clicking
 
user3010322
He made Event private and put member functions on Arf to do the addition, and then even had an enum to strongly type which event you wanted to hook up into:
 
user3010322
11 hours ago, by Rapptz
http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/c423fca4772930e5
 
user3010322
(Don't mind Event in that one not having proper bindings for some of its functions: I was goofing around when I gave out the original problem)
 
Xeo
@ThePhD ah, the manual method
 
user3010322
There we go, fixed my bad Event function >.>
 
user3010322
(Same one as before, just with less bad)
 
Use Qt or something.
 
@melak47 Yeah, which is why I would simulate and assmble bitmap instances in another thread and post them in messages to the GUI thread that just renders the bitmaps.
 
user3010322
My implementation is fully templated, minimalist, and doesn't require a compiled library (boost::signals2, I'm looking at you. D:<)
 
user3010322
1:25 PM
Then again, there's probably things boost and qT are doing that mine don't do at all. :3c
 
@MartinJames ...I'm using D3D. :E
I'm not gonna assemble bitmaps then send them to the graphics card to be displayed...
 
@melak47 Yeah - I guessed by now:(
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Oh noez, a compiled library!
 
user3010322
@Xeo hey, boost gave me so much trouble today. :c
 
user3010322
It was so mean to me. q_q
 
user3010322
1:28 PM
I do wonder what boost::signals2 does that makes it require a compiled library...
 
if you compiled it yourself it probably would have been nicer to you :D
 
user3010322
Almost all of boost is templated, it's strange that a signals/slots implentation would demand its own library?
 
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A: Why I am getting the Constructor and the copy constructor called here?

Stephane RollandMyClass& MyClass::MyInstance() { static MyClass * p_myLocalVariable = new MyClass(/*parameters*/); return * p_myLocalVariable ; } this is because when you call MyClass(/*parameters*/); you create an objet, calling the constructor. and then when you then call MyClass myLocalVaria...

static MyClass & myLocalVariable = * new MyClass(/*parameters*/);
^ How did this get any upvotes???
 
user3010322
I can't be smarter than the boost guys to roll this one on my own without need compilation for it.... Hm... maybe I should look at boost's library...
 
@ThePhD what boost library is header only, for example?
 
user3010322
1:31 PM
@melak47 .... all of it?
 
@ThePhD any one in particular?
because there are an awful lot of .libs and .dlls for everything to be header only :p
 
@Xeo To me it's less about C++03 than about "Can't use all parts of boost, need it now, help fast". For me, that's not a problem, all I am saying is that some of you guys would close such questions really fast, normally.
 
user3010322
With exceptions like signals2, filesystem, most of boost's mechinations are templated. Boost.Range, Boost's iterators, etc. etc.
 
@melak47 the libraries that need platform specific implementations often have .libs. Libraries that can be implemented header only are header only.
 
@sehe ^^ I have no clue about that at all, so I couldn't even answer without the footnotes.
 
Xeo
1:33 PM
@bamboon The question is not limited to state-machines, though
 
@Xeo Right, that's why I think there isn't a need for the second footnote at all.
 
Xeo
true enough
which is why I removed it just now /cc @sbi
 
^^ Gesagt, getan!
 
@BartekBanachewicz ping
 
user3010322
.... Hm.
 
user3010322
1:42 PM
I feel like this is going to bite me later:
 
user3010322
1. Shorter 2. More accurate.
 
Might have not been the best move.
 
user3010322
Aha.
 
so do you, uh, InputAssembler.SetLayout(...), PixelShader.bindSamplerState(...)? or what
 
user3010322
1:45 PM
Huh?
 
what do you stages do :p
or are they all just arrays of things
 
user3010322
The stages are just labels.
 
user3010322
They also help with Shader compilation and conversion
 
labels for what?
 
user3010322
For switches
 
1:49 PM
@BartekBanachewicz well yeah to what?
 
user3010322
 
@Pawnguy7 this cubes thingy
 
That you could picture the moat?
 
@ThePhD hmm. when do I get to see the whole thing? :D
 
user3010322
One of these days? :D
 
user3010322
1:52 PM
I mean, when the engine finally builds
 
user1804599
Engines can’t build.
 
@Pawnguy7 more or less
 
@BartekBanachewicz think it would be a good idea, then?
 
@Pawnguy7 why not, you can just prototype that in a few hours
 
OK, my snake-head is moving but its tail disappeared:(
 
1:57 PM
@BartekBanachewicz you seem to think I am you
 
@MartinJames I had some weird bugs on my laptop where every other piece of the snake would disappear
and then every couple of seconds all piece positions, past and present, would show o.O
 
hmm... so... have jenkins server... need to upload maven settings.xml to it... can I do this through jenkins itself?
 

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