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4:35 AM
@Mast My father really struggles with his lack of that skill, too. We go to a restaurant, and it's hard to have a conversation, because he's so focused on what people are doing at other tables, what the wait staff is doing, what is playing on a TV in the background (even something he definitely doesn't care about watching and wouldn't even watch if he were alone at home). He "learns" many things this way, and tries to share them, but... I almost never care. Doesn't pertain to me.
I don't know how to teach it, but, come to think of it, I've never tried. I've found that I'm pretty good at teaching things, even things I never thought I could teach or were teachable before I bothered to try.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That's... wow. I think they must have been replaced by a bot. Either that, or it's some kind of performative protest against the existence of that feature.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Any kind of components; doesn't matter. The cool kids all use components these days.
19 hours ago, by Cody Gray
What is a "component-oriented language"?
@manro So... read the plot, figure out what data it's conveying, then you have the data. Now you can make the plot.
It won't be perfectly accurate, but it'll be close enough. You know how you make a plot by hand, right? You look at each bit of data and plot the point/line/whatever? Well, do the reverse, generating the data table from the plot.
 
 
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8:15 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I've seen spammers posting spam answers on questions by moderators. Now, if you want to make sure you get caught that would be a good method.
 
You would think, but considering the moderators I've seen who edit spam trying to make it into a real answer... It might just be a really good way of getting your spam approved.
 
@CodyGray Information overload is a serious problem :(
 
More or less serious than a lack of information?
 
Depends, sometimes more.
People getting annoyed because they are sure they told you something but it got lost in the noise so it never registered.
Can't forget what you never picked up
 
That's why I try to be as loud and overbearing as possible. :-)
 
8:30 AM
@CodyGray yes, i can do it using this way.
Cody, how are you? How the weather? Do prices stabilize?
 
I'm ridiculously busy and stressed. The weather is very hot. I'm... not sure about prices. I think they're mostly still going up on pretty much all consumer goods.
 
You should take a vacation after this tough task ;-)
 
Mmm, I don't really get vacations
Nobody to do the work while I'm gone
Besides that, any vacation would put me further behind on everything, which would just increase my stress level
 
Your colleagues are noobs, like i? What you should do in a nutshell?
 
I'm the only one at my company who does what I do
 
8:41 AM
Save the Cody's brain and nerves 🙏
 
We've been understaffed for years. We were understaffed when I was hired, and we've had several key people quit since.
 
When you are a irreplaceable - it is great
 
haha
I don't know about that
 
I need to learn something special too :-)
 
Just be good at your job, whatever that is
That is invaluable
 
8:48 AM
Did you ever consider about changing your company?
 
yeah
 
IT specialists are mobile, you can work around the world
 
It's not always that easy.
 
Yeah.
I would honestly prefer not working remotely for a variety of reasons, both technical and personal.
 
Why? You like to communicate offline with colleagues
@Mast if you are a great specialist, you are welcome everywhere. Am I not right?
 
9:04 AM
@manro No. Lots of companies have really frustrating hiring procedures or have such frustrating workflows that you find out 2 months in that you really didn't want to work there after all.
Too many companies see people as an expendable resource, even the specialists
Besides, the first year with a new company is always harder. So if you're already at the limits of your stress capacity, burning out on the new job is a serious risk even if most things go right.
Been there, done that.
 
Totally agreed on all counts.
At my current job, the pressure has been steadily turned up, such that my first year was definitely the easiest, though. :-)
 
How many companies have you changed before finding the current place?
 
9:23 AM
Me? None as a programmer. I was doing other things before.
 
9:35 AM
Wow, do you a self-made programmer?
👍
 
Yeah, haven't I said that before many times?
 
My memory is bad :)
I'm bad everywhere :-(
 
Hmm.
Have you tried getting better?
 
9:55 AM
Yes, every day i try. I see the progress in several areas, but it is not enough.
 
If you make progress every day on something... anything, then that's great.
I used to tell my first-year students this all the time. You're going to make mistakes. Lots of mistakes. That's unavoidable. You need to accept it. Then, you need to make sure that you never make the same mistake multiple times. In other words, you need to make sure that you learn from your mistakes.
And then, once you've got that part down, you need to pick one thing and try to improve it every time.
If you're never making the same mistake twice, and you're always improving at least one thing, then you're going to keep getting better every time. So as long as you do it enough times (i.e., practice), then you're going to get quite good at it.
Spoiler alert: they did. It worked. :-D
And, of course, I was always more than happy to point out their mistakes, in case they didn't know. ;-p
 
I can't write also such as your big answer
If i avoid the same mistakes - I'm on the the right way?
The main theme of your "rant". (Oleg likes this word) :-)
How many years did you be a teacher?
 
10:12 AM
Oh, I also like the word rant. But that definitely didn't count as a rant.
I know what ranting is; I do plenty of it.
Hmm... I taught for about... 5 years, I think?
So slightly longer than I've had my current job. (Will be 5 years in November.)
 
Rant in the meaning "declaim", not "twaddle"
5 years you was a teacher. Your nerves were tough as nails 😁
 
Ah, "declaim" is not the same as "rant".
Haha. Teaching never really got on my nerves that much, honestly. I enjoyed it.
There were frustrating things... mostly from the other teachers. :-|
And also bureaucracy, etc.
What I did was a lot of stress, though. I enjoyed that part.
 
10:29 AM
Can you really say you're alive if you don't rant regularly?
 
What the hell, coming in here and interrupting a serious conversation with that kind of inane nonsense? People are trying to have a civilized conversation, and you just come dump in some kind of memetic bullshit just for laughs...
(am I doing it right?)
((and by "it", I don't mean "posting messages that'll immediately get flagged"))
 
Did students try to beat you for the bad grades? :)
 
@CodyGray Yes
 
Not all that much
I heard plenty of horror stories about students bullying/demanding grades, but I guess they figured it wouldn't work with me.
The worst part was parents bullying teachers to give their kids higher grades.
That, also, never happened to me.
 
@CodyGray Not sure why, but I've always pictured you as mildly terrifying :p In a good sense, for the record
 
10:41 AM
hahahaha
Yeah, I think that's precisely it.
That is what most of my students said, too.
Mildly terrifying, but in a good sense
 
@CodyGray lol, with weapons in the USA it can be successfully
 
The good thing was, I had the students for multiple years, so they had time to get over the initial terror and actually form productive relationships.
 
@CodyGray my mom is a teacher (high school, though); does happen there, but with basically no success anywhere
 
Yeah, high school. That's where it happens.
To the teachers who aren't so terrifying that even the parents are terrified ;-)
 
10:47 AM
My high school had this one teacher that was just terrifying, in a bad way
 
Oh, those exist, too
As a student, I made it my mission to troll them
 
Words don't really explain how bad she is
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine you mom has a gun? Or something to self-defence?
 
She's good at what she does, to be fair, she's the definition of unstable
 
@manro She doesn't need one, she's not in the US
@ZoestandswithUkraine Ah, that's... unfortunate.
 
10:49 AM
I don't know anyone who owns a gun
also did some research for a discussion elsewhere; there has been one school shooting in my country
Ever
 
@CodyGray f.e., somewhere in the Berlin, gun doesn't a redundant thing 🤭
 
I am not sure what you mean
 
and I think under 10 mass shootings
Since 1970, ish
 
But remember that time a guy with a knife killed some people?
 
@CodyGray Europe isn't safe now
 
10:53 AM
we do have some stabbings, actually
But not mass stabbings
 
Look to this.
 
Though one of the mass shootings failed, and one was done with a bow and arrow and I believe most the kills were with a knife and not the bow
 
And none of them really got close to the 2011 attack
Ugh, Ohio or whatever pissed me off the other day
You don't solve a gun violence problem with more guns
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine after 2015 were no incidents? No middle eastern or african refugees in your region?
 
10:57 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine I'm sorry to report that belief is not limited to Ohio.
 
@CodyGray Sure, but Ohio is the currently only state (... that I'm aware of) that's allowing teachers to have guns
which is also why I'm betting that the next school shooting there is one or more kids who get a hold of guns from their teachers who failed to safely carry their guns
@manro That's mildly racist of you. The bulk of the shootings were done by right wing people born and raised here
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Again, unfortunately, no.
 
I see my message was ambiguous. To clarify, I mean "allowing" as in "is currently in the process of allowing", not where it's already legal
 
Texas passed laws allowing even more teachers to have guns back in 2019, after a previous 2018 mass shooting.
Louisiana is also trying to arm teachers now
Florida did the same as Texas back in 2018/19
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Barring the 2021 Kongsberg attack, I believe all of the attacks were hate crimes against, very generally, non-christians
 
11:01 AM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Oh, I see. Unfortunately, still wrong. :-) Louisiana is right up there with Ohio now.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Eh, I interpreted it as saying that the influx of refugees gave the right-wing radical nutjobs someone to hate and try to murder.
 
@CodyGray And I interpreted it differently :p
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine you mean Breivik? It was long time ago.
 
@CodyGray That's most likely just me being out of the loop. NRK doesn't have the resources to follow up on all the dumb stuff americans do :p
 
@manro Norway doesn't have a lot of mass shootings to consider, really. I think that's the point.
@ZoestandswithUkraine It takes resources?! Making the decisions doesn't seem to require any resources... why would it take resources to report on them?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A6rum_mosque_shooting from 2019 (the one that fortunately failed; TL;DR: the shooter was overpowered before anyone died)
 
11:06 AM
@CodyGray yes, Scandinavian countries were the safest places in the world. Were
 
I could've sworn there was a third one
Can't find it
 
What?
 
With bow, wtf)
 
That one doesn't seem to suggest a motive
Aside from "psychotic", which... is not a motive.
 
11:12 AM
Mental illness
 
Yeah, a bow and arrow attack seems quaintly Norwegian, doesn't it? :-p
Well, I guess a hammer or an axe would be more traditional
 
there were threats in 2014, threats of school bombings I think a few years ago
 
Ah, I remember we used to have a lot of threats of school bombings
 
but like, nearly no actual events
 
Multiple times, the school I taught at was evacuated due to bomb threats
 
11:14 AM
@CodyGray You lot have had over 230 mass shootings so far this year
 
That's mass shootings; I was talking about bomb threats
 
over 2000 since 2013
over 700 last year
@CodyGray Not sure if we have stats on that
 
You don't have to convince me that something's wrong
 
wasn't the plan anyway
I just can't comprehend those numbers
 
One question to you. If i make any analysis, f.e. about mass shootings in USA. Can i place it on github? Can it counts as a CV?
 
11:20 AM
there's already plenty of numbers on the topic
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine You can't count that high? Hmm, the lack of school shootings certainly hasn't helped the educational system there, has it?
@manro You can put pretty much anything you want on GitHub, that's the whole point. What do you mean by "CV"?
@ZoestandswithUkraine moar numbers! Also p-values, so we can prove what we already thought to be the case all along!
 
@CodyGray I can, but I estimate we've had, at most, 15 actual events. And around 2-300 for the whole of Europe since 1970
The US has up to 3 times more yearly mass shootings per year than the entirety of Europe has had in over 50 years. I just can't get my head around that
 
It's like how the moderators of Ethereum can't understand the scale of Stack Overflow :-)
 
@CodyGray resume for a job
@ZoestandswithUkraine yes, i know. It's an example
 
Admittedly, Europe has more overall knife crimes, at least outside my country. Accounting for those does inflate the number, but the number of deaths from mass stabbings doesn't get close to that of guns
It's easier to disarm a stabber than a shooter
 
11:26 AM
Significantly, yes
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine what about vehicle-ramming attacks?
 
Those are vanishingly rare
They have high requirements compared to any other form of attack
 
But not unreasonable to limit ownership of vehicles by mentally unstable people or children, either.
 
Some of the age limits in the US are so backwards
 
11:35 AM
Yes, I think there was an earlier similar attack, too
At least, I distinctly remember that, and 2017 would have not been a time that I was paying a lot of attention.
@ZoestandswithUkraine Because military.
This is the argument being made now: we allow 18 year olds to serve in the military, so how can we not allow them to own guns?
Of course, joining the military doesn't just mean you're handed a gun.
 
Didn't exclusively mean guns
 
The military actually has the strictest gun laws of anywhere, and you are given hours of training on how to handle them.
Right, but... Everything hinges on that.
The argument is, if you're allowed to die for your country, why should you not be allowed to drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, have sex, etc.?
 
You can't drink alcohol, though :p
The limit is 21 on that
But you can drive at 16
 
Yeah
Which part did you think is weird?
 
You can practice drive at 16 here, but you have to be 18 to get a license
For a car*
Alcohol is legal at 18, but up to some percent that I keep forgetting. The rest unlocks at 20
No idea how guns work because I don't care :P
 
11:43 AM
You don't care about alcohol, either, or so you claim :-p
So... which part did you think was weird/backwards? That you can drive a car so early?
 
yeah
and that you can murder people before you can drink
 
That's mostly arisen out of convenience, I think
Oh, no... you aren't allowed to murder people
 
well, yeah. NA is way too car-centric
@CodyGray Exaggeration :p
 
They had some Swedish dude on the local news the other night expressing total shock about how "limited" our bus system is here
 
I think I've taken the bus once in the past couple years; really convenient system though. Aside when I'm up north (because the distances between everything are huge), I use my bike for everything
 
11:47 AM
@CodyGray because anything of the latter makes one less likely to want to die for the country? :)
 
Does it?
 
the biggest roads in the immediate area are two lanes in each direction. The biggest I've seen is four lanes on a motorway, the peak average being three
 
Cigarettes, alcohol, and sex all have anti-patriotic effects?
 
Looks like that
 
Has anyone studied this?
 
11:51 AM
What?
 
@CodyGray Is that why the supreme court is yeeting Roe v Wade? /s
 
Can't see the relevance
 
Fewer patriots, of course
 
Oh, you think they're all gettin' aborted?
 
still pissed it's getting overturned
 
12:03 PM
Yeah, now you won't be able to come to America to get your abortions
I can only imagine how inconvenient that will be for you
 
I think after this world crisis conservative and mild right powers return to the whitehouses in european countries. And patriots, with old life values will appear.
 
It won't be because of this crisis
Haven't you been paying attention?
Conservatives and neo-fascists are returning to power in European countries already, and have been for some time.
 
Real neo-fa in the state institutions were only in U...
How do you think, why they are returning?
 
12:19 PM
@CodyGray I'm not worried for my sake, I'm worried for women and LGBTQ people in America. Roe v Wade admittedly only affects women, but there's fear that same-sex marriage is next to fall after Roe v Wade, which would basically be the same as reverting the country by decades
 
@CodyGray Some days ago i saw the music video "the sweetest pie" dua lipa and forgot name. Man, i don't know, where is the world heading to?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine Yes, I knew that.
@manro You do not like Dua Lipa?
 
@CodyGray You do not like Dual IP-A?
 
I am not a big fan of IPAs.
 
@CodyGray I'm not.
 
12:28 PM
What did the International Phonetic Alphabet ever do you to you, @CodyGray? :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Weird symbols.
 
I still can't read IPA :p
 
Yeah, me neither
I'm still confused about whether @manro hates Dua Lipa or pie.
Or maybe both?
 
Was introduced to it after I switched schools in 6th grade, but never learned it
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I prefer drinking it :)
@CodyGray fair enough
 
12:29 PM
I have the same objection to your language, incidentally
 
@CodyGray did you see this music video? 😁
 
ours isn't that bad though :p
 
@CodyGray which one of us? :)
 
we only have like three chars on top of ASCII
 
12:30 PM
I don't think I've seen the music video. I don't watch a lot of music videos. I just listen to the music. Watching a video is inconvenient, as I can't do it while I do other things.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The Russian, I meant.
Yeah, Norwegian doesn't really count.
They're the exact same letters with diacritics (not to be confused with diuretics) added, their own protests aside.
 
@CodyGray ah, well, wait a little - they already killed ё
 
Ah
carry on :p
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Who did?
 
@CodyGray who else is killing everything in my country?
 
haha
 
12:33 PM
Why we talk here about Norge? Oleg has plans to attack it? 😁
 
That's a normal looking letter!
No reason to kill off e-with-umlaut
 
We have some umlauts too, tbf, but no one ever uses them
 
The Swedes!
 
@CodyGray well, you know, if one has a brain the size of a peanut, it's hard to follow the rules on when to use it :)
 
If they get rid of everything with confusing usage rules, we're all going to be in a lot of trouble.
 
12:35 PM
aren't we already?
 
Nah, we're mostly over here sitting and laughing at you lot
 
said a US citizen :)
 
Exactly
 
Laughing at whom???
 
Someone who knows a lot about problems of one's own [country's] creation
 
12:37 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine guns go pewpewpew
 
@manro The Russkies.
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine xD
although, have I missed the part when US switched to blasters?
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine pew! pew! pew!
 
@CodyGray ?
 
Russians
Russki and Russky (pl. Russkies) are slang words for Russians, derived from the Russian word русские ("Russians"). Those terms may also refer to citizens of Russia regardless of ethnic background. The terms may also refer to: Russky Island, an island off Vladivostok, Russia Russky Island (Kara Sea), off the northern coast of Russia Russky Bridge, between the city of Vladivostok and Russky Island Russkies, a 1987 American drama filmOr, from Russian: по-русски (pa-rooskee): Russian language == See also == Roski (disambiguation) Rozki (disambiguation)
 
12:39 PM
@CodyGray you know that posting links to our military's meetings is a punishable offense? :)
 
Oof, it's been three months since the last CPG video
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine I told you, I've been busy!!
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah. Which one is Sheldon Cooper?
 
12:42 PM
@CodyGray Vladivostok, maybe Oleg knows someone from there
 
no one, I presume? We need to work on security clearance
 
in soviet russia, clearance securities you
 
@manro I... what? How did you manage to pick out the word Vladivostok from that, but miss the entire meaning?
 
that is surprisingly on point, @ZoestandswithUkraine :)
 
There's security in Soviet Russia?
 
12:45 PM
well, there is certainly clearance
 
@CodyGray ah, "slang words"
 
@CodyGray no one knows
 
Yes, the very first paragraph, and the main definition.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You have a sale going on? :-)
 
You see that Oleg always ignores me 😔
 
How so?
 
12:53 PM
I bought "English breakfast tea" as someone here adviced. I'll return soon
 
@CodyGray haven't you heard? There is an ongoing sale of competent people from my country :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'm sure the pool of people is depp
I'll show myself out
 
@CodyGray You're bitter enough already? ;-)
 
@manro I suspect that was Nick, who is British. You will be returning the tea? Did you not like it?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Ah! I badly need some competent people. How long do I need to wait for the prices to drop where I can afford them?
@RyanM Right?!
That's why I like extremely dark beers, to make up for my WASPyness.
 
@CodyGray just print huge amounts of Russian currency, and use it to pay for gas /s
 
@CodyGray keep watching the news, might be soon :)
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine How will that help me get competent people?
 
Crashing the price, of course
 
12:57 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine So is that where the bidding is? Or how do I make purchases?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Heard v. Depp, for context
 
@CodyGray after drinking :-)
 
@manro You are returning it after drinking it?
 
I don't think they'll be happy about you returning the tea after you've had it
 
...yeah...
Be careful with that
 
12:59 PM
It's gonna blow!
 
@CodyGray 😤
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine ah, that Depp!
 
You hadn't heard?
I'm sorry, both their last names are so easy to play with
Can't help myself :p
 
well, I heard of the case, but I failed to establish a connection :)
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine really hitting new depps with these puns.
 
1:04 PM
@CodyGray there's no bidding - just keep watch on when it all becomes unbearable
 
Heard was beautiful in young age
 
@RyanM Did you heard the amber alert?
 
I watched some videos from court, as seems she likes alcohol
 
true, we even had Veche at first
 
Oh, also saw this gem:
 
1:12 PM
Twitter trending hashtags/phrases are pretty reliably garbage.
 
You click them and it's like, 90% people talking about the fact that it's trending.
 
it's as if... trending is... trending :)
 
It amazes me that they have not found a way to fix this to produce useful results when you click them.
 
Who has a better support in the American society? Depp or Heard?
 
1:21 PM
Who cares?
 
1:44 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Sorry, what? What's blowing?
 
@manro "Face with look of triumph"?
@ZoestandswithUkraine That's not what I remember It doing.
@ZoestandswithUkraine But... it's not pronounced anything like "deep".
 
@CodyGray it's a letter away
that's good enough for me
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Hasn't it already become unbearable? Or do you literally mean when they've killed all the bears? ;-)
@ZoestandswithUkraine Ah, an eye rhyme. Here, I was assuming a lexical rhyme.
@manro Isn't she still?
@manro Who doesn't?
@ZoestandswithUkraine "Trending in Norway: Ethiopia"
I wonder if Norway is also trending in Ethiopia?
 
@CodyGray Fuck if I know
There's always a country trending, and I never understand why
 
1:49 PM
That's weird. But I know nothing about Twitter.
 
Here's all you need to know: Elon is buying it, stay far away
 
Done and done
 
2:30 PM
@CodyGray it's at the "intolerably bad, but not quite unbearable" stage right now :)
 
I see. Is there a quick reference guide available somewhere?
 
Nope, it's a genetic mutation of Russians to be able to granularly distinguish between states of misery
 
Ah, that must be handy
I wonder why that has not caught on more widely
I remember Olya Povlatsky telling us Americans how Russians also manage to be positive and in good spirits, even in the most dire of circumstances.
 
@CodyGray now she looks not beautiful as was. By my opinion
 
@CodyGray how else can one bear what's going on? :)
 
2:44 PM
That's basically what she said
(I don't think I did that one quite right!)
 
Cody, i found a nice dataset on kaggle 🎉
 
3:01 PM
That's pretty much why the site exists, I think
 
I like making my own :p
 
Spoken like a true American: "I like making up my own data in order to fit my pre-existing beliefs"
 
@ZoestandswithUkraine i haven't an equipment for the data collecting
 
3:27 PM
Excuses excuses
 
3:59 PM
Today we had a nice conversation
 
 
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6:59 PM
@CodyGray Norway and Ethiopia have a long history that not many people outside of those countries know about.
For example, Ethiopia was the first country to benefit from Norway's global education program.
 
7:18 PM
we have a global education program?
TIL
 
8:05 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine Example:
 
 
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9:29 PM
Is anybody here?
 
10:16 PM
@ZoestandswithUkraine yesterday was a productive day. What's about your day?
 

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