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12:16 AM
@CodyGray Maybe ^^
@CodyGray Excuse me... I just threw up in my mouth a little
 
 
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3:25 AM
@Turing85 from 2 days to 1.5 months, a week on average. Lately there've been more active 5K+ reviewers, so wait times might've improved
 
3:40 AM
speaking of reviews - I just stumbled upon your edit :) [also: hi, bad_coder] second approve vote -> done
 
 
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4:56 AM
@Turing85 Yeah, I can't learn anything from videos. I find them very frustrating. Although it's a bit weird, because I always learned really well from lectures in high school and/or college. I also learn well from reading.
@Turing85 I see, I see. Windows 7 it is, then!
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I suppose the bracketical (do you like that word I just made up?) is because bad_coder dropped by the room?
 
5:09 AM
Today in "I'm really not sure what you'd like us to do about that," a flag on a self-answer: "solve my self"
 
What?
 
@CodyGray no, it's because they were the second approve voter :) otherwise, I would ping them
it's a also a reference to The Room
@RyanM I would really like someone solving me! It proved to be an NP-problem
@VLAZ wut?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Oleg - Oleg = 0.1
 
5:48 AM
@CodyGray you are a very selective reader, I see 😉 I mentioned Ubuntu (as "ani't nobody got time for that"-solution) and gentoo as my preferred solution when I have the time.
@OlegValteriswithUkraine \o/
If someone is interested/has time: there should be 3 (old) questions with the tag in the close vote queue.
 
@Turing85 YW :)
@Turing85 one handled, other two are a bit ambiguous for me to VTC
^ Community certainly has a sense of humour
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine ambiguous in what sense?
 
6:05 AM
@Turing85 I mean that I personally have trouble passing judgement on whether a thing belongs on SU or here, so tend to skip VTC'ing such items
 
ok
 
I rarely drop by the CV/RV queues and mostly vote through SOCVR - these queues are just too depression-inducing for me. SE can at least be fun
 
yeah... I get you. Unfortunately, I am not allowed to post those questions in SOCVR
 
This might just be the first time I've seen that.
Ugh, is it possible to look through your rep history somehow that doesn't get rate limited? I tried to check if I had another "undownvote" by going to the rep history page, then expand all the collapsed entries, search for "undownvote" (whole word match). Since each expand does a request, I got rate limited on page 9.
Also, how long is the rate limit for?
I currently cannot see SO because of it.
 
6:27 AM
~10 minutes roughly
I really wish it would indicate how long you're rate limited on the splash.
 
Well, I'd have to wait, I guess. For having the gall of trying to check my own history.
 
You probably can't see any SE site which is also equally frustrating
 
Yep, nothing on the SE network.
At least chat works.
 
@Turing85 rule #15?
 
@VLAZ Chat always works. (Except when it doesn't)
 
6:29 AM
@VLAZ ugh
@HenryEcker yeah, there is an old and prominent feature request on MSE, methinks
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I might go upvote it when I'm able to.
 
@VLAZ It's okay you're just missing a bunch of spam
 
But I really need to call Coinbase or whatever is being spammed right now!
 
Not coinbase atm. Really boring titles actually. No colourful emojis
 
Awww, no emojis = no call.
 
6:33 AM
Exactly!
 
@VLAZ damn it, I can't find it
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine rule #11
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Me neither, however I found this gem from 8 years ago.
 
@Turing85 huh, you might be one of the few who uphold that rule - if I were to stat the room, almost everyone would turn up
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine I'd turn up as well. But the subpoint of "recent" is something the script notifies me about. So... I have a warning and I would be ignoring it willingly. That's a boundary I don't wanna cross.
 
6:42 AM
@VLAZ oh, I've seen a similar one before, but not this gem - sometimes I think I agree with the request, but there are better ways of dealing with high-reppers machine-gunning answers than rate-limiting
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine You think blocking Jon Skeet from posting for 22 hours is not a good solution?
Sorry, my calculation was way off. It was 1 minute per 1000 rep. The suggestion has an increasing amount of timeout the higher the rep.
 
@RyanM They mean that they want you to close their support ticket, because they solved the problem themselves.
 
@Turing85 oh, is it the SOCVR Request Generator script? I didn't know it can do that - I use my own DIY'd Chrome Extension for generating requests (it checks for rule #15 specifically)
 
@VLAZ Nobody knows.
 
Damn it, I misread it twice. It actually says "no additional increase"
 
6:46 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine The movie, starring Brie Larson?
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine yes, it can
 
@CodyGray That... actually makes a lot of sense for being totally 100% wrong
 
@Turing85 Surely you would agree Mint is better than Ubuntu?
 
@CodyGray for me, it's either Ubuntu or Gentoo 😀
 
@CodyGray Starring the actor, director, and writer Tommy Wiseau.
 
6:47 AM
@CodyGray maybe arch
 
@CodyGray come on, the timeless classic by Tommy Wiseau :)
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine That's nothing. Have you seen this?
 
@Turing85 oh, nice! Speaking of automation, it reminds me I promised Makyen to revive Closey when I have time - that's gonna make some regulars quite angry. Need to finish Spotty first, though
 
@VLAZ You found the answer from my sockpuppet?
 
@CodyGray I suspect they'd like me to mark their answer as accepted, which they can't do due to the time requirements. But of course, I can't do that either.
 
6:50 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine what's closey?
 
@Turing85 Why Ubuntu? It's almost as bad as Windows.
 
@CodyGray Community seems to be very interested in this question :) I was referring, though, to Community to review the question about [review] tag
 
@Turing85 Closey
 
@VLAZ Nah, I'mma pick Brie Larson every time over him :-)
 
@Turing85 source repo - SOCVR chat bot
 
6:52 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Why would it make people angry? Also, what's Spotty?
 
@CodyGray each OS has its place. Privately, I use windows only. For development, I use linux-based systems. From that point of view: Ubuntu is easy & fast to set up, at least the way i like it (ubuntu gnome). Gentoo gets me the most customization. That's my ratio behind this.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Indeed. You'd almost think it was a ...
 
@CodyGray That's discrimination. You only prefer her because she has talent and can act.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Can you summarize shortly what closey does and why it might make regulars angry?
 
@Turing85 Ah, I had assumed you were an anti-Windows bigot!
 
6:54 AM
@CodyGray Nah.
 
Mint has all the out-of-the-box ease of Ubuntu, without the opinionated nonsense of Canonical. Plus Cinnamon is way better than Gnome.
@VLAZ That's the kind of discrimination that I practice, I'm afraid.
 
@CodyGray Most definitely. I really like Mint. I was sad when they discontinued the KDE release.
 
Was there anything special about the KDE release, other than not having to immediately install a shell?
It wasn't a custom fork of KDE or anything like that, was it?
 
@CodyGray But if I have to work with docker AND someone just throws extra stones in my path ("Oh! You cannot just uuse WSL2 to run docker. You need this proxy-machine as well. And then you have to start a proxy process in the actual machine. But then you have to configure no_proxies fore some sites..."), I get annoyed.
 
No, but I don't like installing an extra DE on top of an existing release. It's messy.
 
6:56 AM
@CodyGray I am pretty sure rule #15 is broken very often; also rule #12 (cc @Turing85)
 
Although GNOME/Xfce are mostly compatible. You could even use themes from one to the other.
But KDE has apps that don't work (well) on another DE and vice versa.
 
@Turing85 Ah, I see. I have never used Docker, so I have no experience with this. I have, in fact, used WSL far less than I ever thought I would. I was pretty excited when it first came out, but it just hasn't turned out to be all that practical. Since I do a lot of Linux kernel development, I pretty much have to have at least one Linux machine sitting on my desk at all times. Since I also (primarily) develop Windows software, I cannot replace Windows entirely with Linux, either.
I definitely thought WSL would be the best of both worlds, but it just... I don't know. It isn't.
 
I'm currently using Manjaro on my laptop. It's Arch-based. I like it although I've yet to get accustomed to using pacman vs aptitude.
 
@VLAZ Huh, really? I thought it'd be a simple matter of apt install <your-thing>.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine My perception is that rule 15 violations are frequently caught and handled, but I could be wrong (since of course, I don't see the ones that aren't caught).
Rule 12 is rather harder to enforce. We've asked people who post a lot to slow it down a bit, but it's rare.
 
6:58 AM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine Rule 15 12 is there so that people causing trouble can be dealt with without rules-lawyering, not meant as a speedbump for people who are doing reasonable things.
 
@CodyGray You get apps from both. You can clean up afterwards but it's just annoying to do.
 
@CodyGray Well... maybe this will change when we get UI processes to work under WSL?
 
@CodyGray phew, I was already trying to understand how rule #15 can be used as a speedbump :)
 
@VLAZ Oh, I see. Yeah, that reminds me of how much I hate the fact that window managers include a whole suite of apps on Linux.
 
Start your CLion in WSL, with all your kernel-headers installed, work there. Then start your resharper in Windows, work there on your windows applications, ...
 
7:00 AM
@Turing85 Doubtful. I can't think of any UI processes I'd want to run on Linux. The only UI programs I ever run on my Linux machines are probably Firefox and Geany. For very obvious, practical reasons, mostly to do stuff that, on a Windows machine, I'd do on the Windows side. I prefer Programmers' Notepad over Geany. Geany is just the closest thing to a decent editor that exists on Linux, since it's just the underlying Scintilla control.
@Turing85 "resharper"? I'm a C++ programmer. That's in Windows, too.
 
@RyanM #12 is not much of a problem indeed, just something to add for completion's sake. However, I do think that at least issuing a warning (once?) when number of requests goes overboard will help manage the queue (and reduce the number of requests that simply age out of the queue)
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I wished I could use WSL more. Right now, I use it the most for Git. Since I don't like Git Bash (it's quite slow on my computer, for some reason). I also occasionally use it for data processing with pipes of sort / cut / uniq/ grep / sed etc. It comes in handy every once in a while to comb through a lot of data.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine If you throw enough violators under the bus, anything can become a speedbump. :-)
 
@CodyGray Well... I just heard windows app and thought C# ^^
 
@VLAZ Oh, that's weird. Git for Windows is slow? Have you updated in the last couple of ... years? It's quite good now; I've never had an issue with it.
 
7:02 AM
@CodyGray Wouldn't you wanna start your IDE from the virtual machine to have access to all header files, the compiler, ...?
 
I'm OK with Git on the command line for basic tasks, but for anything even remotely complex, I'm totally wedded to GitExtensions, which, these days, only runs on Windows. (The Mono-targeted version was dropped many versions back, and it was never really stable anyway.)
 
@RyanM it is caught from time to time, IIRC on a semi-auto basis, but having a way to catch it immediately and in 100% of cases would be nice :) Less work for ROs/other users, less reasons for others to complain about the room too
 
@CodyGray I think it's just my machine. I've heard others didn't have a problem. And by "slow" I mean git status takes 1-2 seconds to start. That's the same with every command. It's very frustrating things not happening instantly.
 
@CodyGray or are you one of the those EMACS guys?
 
@Turing85 My IDE is a text editor about 90% of the time. Unless I actually need a debugger, then I'll fire up Visual Studio (on Windows; not that Visual Studio Code nonsense that doesn't actually do anything useful).
@Turing85 Oh god no. I like GUIs.
I don't like Emacs or Vi. When I need a command-line text editor, I use Nano.
I've pulled Vi out of all the builds for my embedded systems. :-)
 
7:04 AM
@CodyGray Sensible
 
@CodyGray 👍
 
@VLAZ Spinning rust, or SSD?
 
@CodyGray I couldn't do that... But then again.... you could start your editor from the VM.
 
Why?
 
@CodyGray SSD
 
7:05 AM
@CodyGray Explorable APIs, jump to source code, autoformatting, code completion, template snippets, .... all too useful to miss out on
 
@VLAZ Huh! That's weird. I'm surprised you have perf problems. I'm extremely demanding about performance and very quickly get irritated when I have to wait for things. git status is actually a bit slow on my current Linux dev machine, and that irritates me. Definitely 1-2 seconds sounds about right, especially if I run it after it's been idle for a while. That has an HDD, though (WD Black, so not horrible), so I suspect that's the cause.
 
@OlegValteriswithUkraine definitely, agreed
 
Explorable APIs => web browser open to documentation.
Jump to source code => it's already in my head exactly what file the source code is in, since things are organized logically, and if it's something I have recently worked on, it'll be open in a tab already.
Autoformatting => Gah! Irritating! I'll format things the way I like, thankyouverymuch.
Code completion => text editors can/do have this.
Template snippets => Never used this. If you're using this often, you're using a language or framework that requires ***way*** too much boilerplate.
 
@RyanM yeah - I hate busywork with all my soul, so try to automate and support automation as much as possible
 
@CodyGray I should mention this is the work computer. It has a whole bunch of crap IT thought of. Who knows what they've actually done. They can't seem to replicate the same environment on all work machines, even though the hardware is the same. The few times I've had to ask for support from them, they each time seem to be surprised what software is on the computer. The software I'm not responsible for.
 
7:09 AM
@VLAZ Erm... can't replicate the same environment on all machines? I was doing that back in the early 2000s! Especially on the same hardware! Imaging... it's trivial.
 
Explorable APIs => is (mostly) handled by code completion, but the browser approach would annoy me, too slow.
Jump to source code => depends on how much 3rd party stuff you use. If it isn't yours our your codebase has 200k LOC (I have a brown field of that size, and I cannot possibly keep that in my head), then navigating the code quickly is a plus
Autoformatting => hmm, we seem to have different opinions here ^^
Template snippets => even small things like a for- or foreach-loop can be templated, which I personally find nice
 
I've no clue how they manage to do that. There is also the company software distribution application here (some proprietary thing) that is supposed to handle updates and stuff. It somehow keeps failing to update something. I often see a bunch of logs that just say failed to install, but not what it tried to install. Or why it failed. Also there is a bunch of group policies that are a PIA.
 
Oh, I have codebases that are far more than 200k LOC. No problem keeping it in my head if it's logically organized. :-D
 
Last year at some point, they decided to disallow PowerShell, for example. Which might make some sense for the non-development computers. But not really for the development department.
 
@CodyGray yeah.. mine is as spaghetti as Java can get... -.-
 
7:14 AM
Controversial opinion: I strongly prefer Command Prompt over PowerShell.
Maybe it's because I'm "legacy".
 
@CodyGray 👍 same
 
@Turing85 I've never liked spaghetti. :-)
 
@CodyGray I love spaghetti (0.5m long especially), but not in my code...
 
@CodyGray Problem is we already have tools and scripts for PS.
 
Ah, that definitely sucks
@Turing85 I'm good with spaghetti sauce, but I'd prefer any other type of pasta, to be honest.
 
7:20 AM
@CodyGray How about noodles? Ramen?
 
@HenryEcker You look bluer, and substantially less colorful.
 
I'm at the beach
 
@Turing85 Yeah, pretty much all types of noodles are good. Rice, egg, glass, vermicelli, flat-Thai style, ...
 
I'll be back to rainbow soon enough.
 
Why does being at the beach make you anti-rainbow?
 
7:22 AM
... now I want Ramen...
 
There's not all that much space to play with the background
 
The authentic Japanese kind, or the instant microwave kind?
 
Who says the instant microwave kind isn't authentic Japanese?
 
@HenryEcker Oh, right. I get it. I finally looked at it full-size, instead of the tiny version in chat. :-)
@HenryEcker The Japanese.
 
@CodyGray a Tonkotsu Shio or a Miso would be nice.
 
7:23 AM
@CodyGray Having lived in Japan for several years, that is counter to my experience. Instant noodles are super common
 
@CodyGray ofc with at least one ajitsuke tamago
 
@CodyGray Yeah. I felt like a change for summer.
I have more than a few seasonal background changes.
I do wish there was a way to just change the profile image networkwide though without also taking the profile text...
 
@HenryEcker Huh, interesting.
@Turing85 Ooh, yes, agreed. It's practically not any good without.
@HenryEcker You're "Cool for the Summer"?
@HenryEcker Same!
It gets worse if you're a member of Teams. Changes can't even be pushed out to those; each has to be edited automatically.
 
@CodyGray "Modern instant noodles" were invented in Japan. There's definitely quite a culture around it. That's not to say that the "real deal" isn't still appreciated/preferred, but when I was there I didn't find anyone who was anti-instant noodles.
 
That's somewhat surprising to me. I would have assumed it was an Americanism.
Not that they didn't have some equivalent in Japan, I guess.
 
7:27 AM
@CodyGray I'm only in one, though I've been suggested the Charcoal one may be good to join.
That said... the teams experience was interesting
 
@CodyGray They were "invented" by I think Nissin.
 
@CodyGray Insessintely sweating actually since the AC is out at the office
 
Oh yeah, the Charcoal team is a great one to join. The last question asked there was on Jan 12.
@HenryEcker Ooof!
 
@CodyGray The Untold History of Ramen has some nice background information on the instant-noodle part.
 
@CodyGray The suggestion was that there currently exists useful information there not necessarily its activity. (I'm actually not sure what the emphasis on great was to indicate there)
 
7:29 AM
@Turing85 A book! You can't have read this! :-p
 
@CodyGray It was 28C/84F in my office when I walked in
 
@HenryEcker Sarcastic, of course. At least, somewhat. I do tend to prefer joining things that don't substantially increase my workflow, these days. :-|
 
@CodyGray I can ^^ but don't ask on how long it took me. I think ~10 days, 3 hrs/day
 
Oh, that's not weird/bad. I can read for hours and hours at a time if I really need to finish something, but it's not that enjoyable. I just keep a book going at all times, reading maybe an hour/day or so on it.
 
@CodyGray Erm... it's slow ^^" the book has maybe 200 pages
 
7:31 AM
Oh, I see. Yeah, I guess that adds up to a fair amount of time.
 
yes. As I said: Neither can I read fast, nor can I absorb information well while reading. This means: I am reading slowly, and multiple times.
I am somewhat impressed that they didn't write connoct
 
8:09 AM
> Correct slovenly post
Nice.
 
8:36 AM
Today in "amusing race conditions when two moderators take the same action simultaneously":
 
In other news, that orange-on-top-of-dark-mode actually results in a rather pleasing-looking brown color, at least to my eyes.
 
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Q: Error when viewing revision history for Help Center article as a moderator

GlorfindelWhen I visit this revision list: https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/66740/revisions, which for regular users looks like a history for the participate in Meta privilege, I get an error page: It looks a bit like Error when attempting to view the tour's revision history but these pages aren't edi...

 
How does one end up in that situation??
 
Being a moderator? I hear that you need a diamond mine or something.
 
Nah, that's easy, you just accidentally post something while an election is going on.
 
8:50 AM
Sometimes you have to reply to an email too.
 
OK, good to know. I'll try not to do any of those. I don't want to be prevented from seeing the revision history in the Help Center.
Not that I've ever done that but I want to still have the option.
 
@VLAZ How do you feel about being able to see the timeline of some, but not all, questions that are flagged as Very Low Quality?
 
The thing is, there's no indication from the mod tools that there even is a revision history for the Help Center pages. There's no link to a revision history. How would you even know what post ID to try?
 
Simple - you ask:
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Q: How to find revisions history for the help center?

MartinSome parts of the help-center can be edited by the moderators and, of course, any part can be edited by a Stack Exchange employees. According to this post, the link to revisions is accessible to mods: revision history of mod-editable parts of /helpcenter. How can a regular user find the revisio...

BTW, that's the (non-deleted) post right before Glorfindel's bug report.
 
@CodyGray see the post before that :)
oh, I see @VLAZ already spoiled the magic
 
 
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7:14 PM
nobody?
 
 
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9:01 PM
Hello)
@Turing85 ja-ja)
 
hiho
 
Here is the time of politics)
 
please no politics...
 
World is changing
ok ;)
Are you tired from politics?
 
no, politics annoy me...
... I don't understand why decisions are made the way they are.
 
9:09 PM
Because nobody shouldn't lie to anybody. I think, you remember the promise to Russia, when she left the territory of ex-DDR.
 
don't let us get into this.
 
But don't afraid - nuclear warfare isn't real :)
we will live
i'll find a job)
all be happy
hurrah ;)
 
Let's talk about other stuff. What have you worked on today?
 
Today I explored some mathematical basics
Probability theory
and set theory
 
set theory... aximatic set theory? zermelo?
 
9:22 PM
Only basics. I have googled "zermelo". Zermelo–Fraenkel set theory - now i heard about it))
Did you study it in the Uni?
 
yeah with classical set theory there's a problem
 
which problem??
 
The barbar paradox: A barber is someone who shaves peoplethat don't shave themselves
When is the barber shaving himself? When he is not shaving himself
more formally, let S be the set of all sets that do not contain themselves. S \in S <=> S \not \in S
 
Ha-ha, this paradox leads to contradiction
 
right
and this leads to a useless theory
enter: zermelo-fraenkel
 
9:29 PM
I should learn straightaway "zermelo-fraenkel set theory"?
 
oh no. nonono.
If possible, avoid it
highly mathematical, highly syntax-driven.
 
Perhaps, I'll avoid it :)
Which mathemathical basics are important in the IT-sphere(for the majority)?
I understand that, f.e. for 3D-design is needed Geometry, for the analytic - statistics etc.
 
3D design? that's nothing an IT-Guy is normally concerned about. if we talking 3D calculations, then linear algebra
statistics is bullocks imho. Stochastics is the important part.
 
Designers aren't true IT-persons? Who work in AutoCAD etc?
"Bullocks" - new word for me:)
 
@manro For this, you do not need to know geometry, but what "looks good"
but you are most probably talking about engineering stuff... that has another aspect to it. for this, one should have the basics of the geometric functions down, yes
 
9:42 PM
Hm
I think, that i need also some basics from algorithms theory
 
yes, the basics. Sorting algorithms, data structure,... the usual stuff =)
 
Yes, i feel the inspiration for evolution)
 
If you're into machine learning, you should read the Bishop
gonna leave for today. Called in sick today, wanna be fit again tomorrow
 
This beautifully produced book is intended for advanced undergraduates, PhD students, and researchers and practitioners, primarily in the machine learning or allied areas.
Gute Nacht, sei gesund ;)
 

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