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12:51 AM
Hmm, stackoverflow.com/questions/66401570 OP self-answers in a comment, and then posts an answer saying to refer to the comment :)
 
@cigien not infinite-loopy enough, needs a reference to the answer in the comment :)
 
:)
 
1:12 AM
Hmmmmm the timing is bizarre as well. Asked 2/27 commented 6 days later on 3/3. What prompted an answer 270 days later?
 
 
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2:53 AM
Ugh.
That moment when you are looking for an elegant solution, find an SO question/answer that answers that no, this plugin is stupidly designed (from 2016) and drop your jaw in disbelief that that's the truth. Have urge to ask the same question with the added info "is it still this stupid?"
 
 
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1:06 PM
Anybody is here?)
 
@HenryEcker latency, duh. I will see myself out, I know
 
1:26 PM
Maybe someone wants a bounty?) Look
 
 
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3:22 PM
I wish there was an easy way to discuss duplicates. And maybe other stuff but right now I'm mulling over whether two questions that are often used as dupe targets are actually the same - should one be closed against the other or not. And maybe whether they should be merged.
I guess I can post a meta Q but not sure I want to do this for each pair of questions I consider.
A chatroom might work but requires other people who know about the subject matter to 1. Find it. 2. Participate.
 
3:37 PM
which basically makes it a non-starter :)
 
4:03 PM
Yep... hence my wish for an easy way
It's part of my series of "things that come up in my head but are probably not important enough to actually do much about, yet I feel like sharing"
 
proposal: SODR - Stack Overflow Duplicate Reviewers :)
actually, I am only partially joking - we used to discuss close/reopen votes in SOCVR-style manner but with SMEs only + more leeway for informal discussion until the chat community dried out
 
Do you really interested in finding duplicates?)
in R-tag a lot of duplicates with finding, removing NA, NaN and bla-bla posts
 
yes, I loathe duplication, hence the love for dupes. Not with the current system, though, it makes it too frustrating. I m pretty sure @VLAZ's questions above stem from the same frustration
 
Really, where do you find this word? "loathe" xD
 
Yep. Finding duplicates is one thing. When found it some times turns out there are multiple of them. And they may need to be handled, as well.
But not always... some times questions are very similar but with subtle differences which makes them non-duplicates of one another.
 
4:17 PM
@manro my head?
 
@VLAZ I wish we could at least link to freaking specific parts and not just do "dear user, here are 6 dupes with 120 answers total, godspeed" :)
 
@OlegValter why not "hate"?)
 
because it does not convey the complexity of the feeling?
 
@OlegValter Yes, something like "answer with" feature where you directly reference a post with a small extra description "See here, replace X with Y for your case" or similar.
 
4:20 PM
@VLAZ dang, hard choice
 
I don't know, i use anglicus vulgaris :))
 
The first one is linked in What does this symbol mean in JavaScript? but the second one isn't. Maybe we can add the second one to the post or maybe we dupe close one or the other. Or we request merger. Not very easy. I can't really see any one that's "better" than the other to be nominated canonical.
 
@VLAZ but speaking of - do we not have a more in-depth canonical lying anywhere?
 
Not that I know of...
Maybe but I'm really not sure.
 
merger was the first thought, but it might make half the answers redundant
 
4:26 PM
There is also What is the difference between const and const {} in JavaScript which has my highest scored answer on it. My answer has almost the same votes as the other two highest scored answers combined. Yet, I don't think it's better than them.
 
@VLAZ heh, this is new:
> I found the Mozilla developer website very hard to understand.
 
Perhaps the user meant it's hard to find what this is in MDN. At least I'd like to think that.
Plus it makes everything more cryptic to use such an uncommon syntax. — trusktr Sep 2 '13 at 4:27
I wonder what the user thinks about this 8 years later.
 
I guess back in the days of new Object() it was indeed cryptic :)
 
I mean, it was 2013 after all. And to be fair, at that point I would have had no actual idea what this meant. At the time the comment was posted, I didn't even know that adding () to the end of some variable executes it as a function in JS.
I learned this two months later.
 
eh, I give up, the questions are equally worthy and as equally flawed...
maybe flipping a coin might help
@VLAZ heh, I got it the other way around - calling with () came naturally, but when I started learning shell scripting a little, calling functions without them nearly broke my mind
 
4:37 PM
I'm starting to think that Ruby might be right and we don't need all the () when calling stuff.
Yes, it might be more ambiguous when you have multiple parameters but it's also a bit more convenient when you don't.
 
well, it [the parenthesis-free approach] kind of substitutes two brackets for one white space, so I am unsure
@VLAZ I would edit it in, but I am not sure if the canonical accepts more than one post per concept
there is also this :)
It's easy to write code, but hard to write code that humans can read. Do we need constructs to make it harder? — gdbj Sep 18 '18 at 1:45
I found a compromise!
 
It does. In fact, I started doing that but then I thought again. If we have two dupe targets for the same thing, do we really need both of them? Hence trying to figure it all out.
 
I voted to close A to B and B to A. Let the strongest win
 
And now we wait...
Also, turns out somebody else tried voting for a dupe almost a year before...
 
let's adopt the "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius." approach :)
no, not proposing deleting both, no
 
4:49 PM
lol, pasted it in the URL bar to search and I had already searched for this.
 
hehe, popular phrase, after all :)
 
True. I did know it, just not in Latin.
Not even after I had searched it in the past...
 
surprisingly, no one brought it up over the years in chat
 
I know "Dominus" is Lord/God but I was unfamiliar with the rest. If I remember Cadedite is "Kill" I hope I'd be able to recognise the phrase in the future.
 
@VLAZ oh, a completely, totally unrelated VLAZ
@VLAZ not precisely kill, but close
 
4:53 PM
Hmm, looking at the timeline, I'm not sure what happened with my vote. It says it was invalidated but I can't figure out why.
 
aged away, probably?
asking for a friend nice mod to confirm :)
 
5:20 PM
It aged away after 4 days? stackoverflow.com/posts/15290981/timeline I suppose it's possible. It's 2 minutes after midnight UTC, so it seems like an automated process killed it. Just not sure what or why.
I thought ageing away takes longer. Unless there are more factors considered than just the age, e.g., the votes of the post might shorten the timeframe.
 
> when the aging task fires it just looks at every post that has at least 100 views where all outstanding close votes are older than 4 days.

> Then it deletes a close vote. A day later, it runs again and does the same thing, until either another close vote shows up, or all the close votes are deleted.
^ yup, 4 days
 
 
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8:46 PM
What was Theresa's point? It's a very long post and all I'm able to read from it is "Collectives exist. They will continue to exist". The rest of the information is almost irrelevant.
I especially don't get the "engagement" from companies. What engagement? Do Collectives have any such thing?
AFAIK, it's "endorsed users", leaderboards, and articles.
 
9:36 PM
@VLAZ meh, a piece of pure suit-speak
 
hot discussions))
 
eh, well, not so hot given that the community at large mostly agrees on the understanding of the purpose of the Borg and whether they are to stay (Theresa's post just confirmed that - which is hardly a surprise)
 
Good night, wroom-wroom ;)
 
@VLAZ mostly. I've seen several materials about what tools are available beyond that, and if I have some time, I'll link them, but they are mostly about "engagement" in terms of "analytics" engagement (which is most likely the primary meaning behind "engagement" in collectives)
 
10:45 PM
@cigien I deleted it, because it served no purpose in that case. The Meta question wasn't about that specific question, but a more general question. The purpose for those comments is so people know not to engage in a close or delete war on the question itself, or to leave comments discussing its suitability, but to direct those to the associated Meta question. That wasn't at issue there.
I deleted a whole bunch of comments there, which were off-topic and irrelevant. That's how I ended up seeing it: there were a bunch of comments there that were flagged.
It isn't necessary to post "being discussed on Meta" comments unless the Meta discussion is about the question's suitability. If they're just ancillary concerns with the question given as an example, they don't need to be connected.
@VLAZ This is meant to be posted in the answer box.
@VLAZ Yes, that's what you see when a close vote ages away, as it did in that case.
 
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