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6:19 AM
We need a StackExchange site for food. FoodOverflow. Sad that the top 9 results for a SE search for "food" are programming related. And then an EE question?
 
@DanielWiddis There is one! cooking.stackexchange.com
With an awful, awful pun as its name.
 
@RyanM "Seasoned advice." Heh.
So the search engine is biased!
"How much carrot is too much when baking carrot cake?" Opinion-based!
I'm curious if a question about the correlation between coffee/other caffeine consumption and programming efficiency would belong there, on stats, or on SO... ;)
 
7:24 AM
@DanielWiddis Or on coffee.stackexchange.com
:P
 
7:48 AM
@VLAZ How did I not know this was a thing?!!!?!
 
lol!.. I do not think you can go in there and just enjoy the coffee though :)
They seem to be quite professional about their approach to making coffee
And with "questions 1,209", you have your weekend cut out ;)
 
8:09 AM
There better be an Q&A about this coffee or I'll create one.
And, indeed, there is. (My local steakhouse actually serves this.)
 
This is similar to cat-shit coffee. I'm not kidding.. it's the same process, just with cats.
lol!.. Crappacino is a good name though :)
 
Heh. I wonder if I can get that in my Nespresso pods.
 
But the stupidity of humans is just mind-boggling here. They think of shit-coffee as gross, but they happily eat sausages.
 
Hey. I like sausages. (And I don't mind s**t coffee either, I just won't pay a premium for it.)
 
I don't feel a need to try those very luxury things. I'd rather go camping in a small tent then stay as a 5 star hotel, really.
 
8:23 AM
I am 100% the opposite. :)
I've "done my time" in poor sleeping arrangements, thankyouverymuch.
 
I just feel it's such a waste of my resources and the experience is just boring, like "I watched a movie in a big room on a big screen in a big city" as opposed to: I made fire from damp surroundings :)
I tend to sleep on the floor in hotels anyway. Can't deal with soft beds.
And I sleep very well in nature :) Especially if it's raining and windy and the storm is louder than my snoring :D
I once had to sleep in a poor (another poor) hotel. It had cockroaches running around. Stupidly I told the staff and they sprayed the room with pesticides!! I think that night took a year off my life.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at that.
 
I kept the window open wide. I even contemplated sleeping in the bathroom, where they hadn't sprayed. But it was quite small, and I'd have had to sleep with my legs curled up.
The irony is that cockroaches wouldn't hurt me.. though they might be crawling around.
 
I've slept in the beds in this hotel which was the best sleeping experience of my life. I did look into buying the same mattress for home, but it was a bit pricy.
(And the stay was free. Frequent travel points for the win.)
 
I can't really do box-springs. I prefer futon, hard wood floor, or if it's hot: just directly on a marble floor to keep cool.
 
8:35 AM
I'll refrain from questioning your sanity and just comment, "Hey, that's cool. More comfy beds for the rest of us." ;)
 
My sanity is just fine :) There's nothing wrong with sleeping on a floor. You know our bodies were meant to sleep on the ground, right? :)
 
You don't want me to start talking about what our bodies evolved to do, because it's not politically correct. :)
 
It actually started with having back pains. Then someone told to me sleep on the floor for a week and see if it helped. It took a few nights to get used to. But my back has never troubled me after I started doing that.
All this comfort is just degrading our bodies too fast. It only works if it's used.
 
I spent the better part of my 20's and 30's sleeping in beds like ths. I am pretty sure my body got degraded a lot more than my current "comfort" purple mattress. :)
 
I'd do quite well on those things :) As long as the mattress is not too thick :)
 
8:42 AM
It's not too thick, I assure you. Heh.
 
..and I always wanted my own submarine! :)
 
I did too, but I only ever got to own half of one. ;)
 
Half?!? Seriously? I wouldn't even be able to own a rivet on one.
 
Well, "own" is more in a sense of "was responsible for a taxpayer-owned asset"
 
Yeah.. that's not owning :)
I was also thinking about something like this with lots of windows :)
 
8:45 AM
Well, as a taxpayer, I owned part of it. :)
That's pretty nifty. :)
 
lol!.. that's just fooling yourself :)
 
OK, that's crazy. What happens when you submerge? The pool fills with ocean. And yes, I've swam in the ocean diving off a sub. ;)
 
I expect it to be "closable" with a lid of some sort.
If the height is right and the lid is transparent one could even get the feeling of swimming deep down :)
 
Not practical, Sea pressure requires heavy-duty hatches.
 
I'm sure it can be worked to work :) Only pricing is an issue
 
8:50 AM
Yes, in theory. Cheaper to purify water and clean it out after surfacing :)
 
But.. how will we get the feeling of swimming deep down then?
 
The thing is... and I say this as someone who enjoys cruise ships... ships really limit the space you can do stuff in, and all the "trappings" of luxury never compete with land-based offerings. Subs are even smaller than surface ships.
and if you want to swim deep ... scuba dive.
 
No.. I want to have my coffee while looking at the bottom :) And I do not want to get wet.
 
LOL
OK. I really should get some sleep, I have to start coding something in 6 hours.
 
Sleep well.. even if not on the floor :)
 
8:54 AM
:D
 
 
4 hours later…
12:53 PM
I slept on the floor for a week because the air mattress I brought with me leaked. I don’t wanna do that again.
 
Heh. It's suppose to be good for your back though.
 
I can assure you that was not good for my back.
 
Maybe it depends on how active you are.
 
That was a week of multiple hours of training every day.
The back of my head felt like it had been shoved right into Minecraft.
 
Then it shouldn't have been really bad though. I've been told that weight makes it harder to sleep on a hard surface.
I do use a pillow when I sleep on the floor.
 
1:01 PM
Well, I didn’t weigh more than the average.
It also depends on what kind of floor it is. Wooden floors aren’t that bad.
The pillow was a part of the mattress, so I couldn’t use that.
 
1:27 PM
I find wooden floors are very good in winter. But if it's summer and 32+ during the night, mattresses and wood is not very "cool" :)
@Andreas I'd probably just use an edge of the mattress as a pillow then :)
 
 
1 hour later…
2:56 PM
@Scratte I still slept on top of the (now very thin) mattress, as I didn’t want to sleep on the dirty floor.
Fun. Back to 999 reputation. I had 1003 yesterday, then a question I’d edited was deleted, so I lost 2 reputation, and I’m now back at 999. That makes sense...
The worst part? That edit was rejected (which I’ve already spoken to the reviewer about; conclusion: I strongly disagree with them), so I don’t understand why I lost 2 reputation. 🙄
Oh, and... finally, after all these days, somebody has reviewed 2/4 of my tag wiki edits, where one resulted in a rejection. Of course, context is rather gone, because the reviewer cannot read the flag I created concerning these tags, which was marked helpful a few days ago.
Wonderful.
 
3:11 PM
@Andreas Not any more. I browsed your questions until I found one that was interesting and learned something. :)
 
3:42 PM
@DanielWiddis I do not think that's how it's suppose to work :D
@Andreas Not sure I understand how 1003-2 = 999
@Andreas You don't actually lose any reputation if an edit is rejected. You just don't gain 2. But, if one of the editor is removed or the post is deleted after the request is appoved, then you lose the 2 reputation points you previously gained.
@Andreas Don't flag until your edit goes through :)
I have one rejected edit due to "This edit conflicted with a subsequent edit.". It made me very upset.. and it still does. I do not edit for this reason.
 
4:29 PM
@DanielWiddis :D
@Scratte No, me neither...
@Scratte The edit was rejected (the one discussed in SOCVR some time ago), but I lost 2 reputation because the question was deleted, nonetheless.
@Scratte I have multiple of those.
@Scratte It’s the ones I mentioned the other day.
 
4:42 PM
Ahh.. well. I guess you like to live dangerously on Stack then.
 
@Scratte Live dangerously on Stack?
 
I assume you do not edit stuff in real life :) Like people's messages, or cookbooks or.. homework :)
 
5:14 PM
Everything can be improved. ;)
 
Yes, but not everything should :) Sometimes a flaw makes it perfect. Also.. constantly correcting someone when they speak is a fast way to lose friends :)
 
I don’t think I do that...
 
5:34 PM
Heh.. I was just imagine how a conversation like that would go. But.. to be honest, I think of the correction in my head.
 
6:02 PM
@Scratte Meh, I do it all the time. When I interact with someone (chat, comments, they answer my question, etc.), I routinely browse their profile to see what kinds of questions they ask/answer. Sometimes something catches my eye and I look at it. If I learn something, it's generally helpful and I upvote both Q & A. I hadn't looked much at Andreas's stuff before, he had an interesting answer about Java inheritance that I didn't know until today.
There is a lot of interesting stuff on this site deserving of upvotes. "Interacting with me" is generally my filter to go looking for it, as the "top" and "bottom" filters aren't very useful.
 
Oh. Interesting. I never do this. I just vote on stuff as I come across it if I don't browse the user.
 
I vote on stuff as I come across it. What I browse varies. :)
sometimes a tag, sometimes a search result. Most often when I have a question...
One day I was browsing Jon Skeet's answers and upvoted a few. Not that he needs my votes.
 
6:19 PM
Strangely.. I just browse the review queues at the moment :)
 
But you're limited to 40/day/queue!
 
It's 20, unless the queue is above a threshold. And since I'm a slow reviewer, I barely make those 20. But I probably Skip 100-200.
I kind of think that if an Answer has 9834 upvotes and the next one has just 5 upvotes, then I do not need to vote at all on that top one. It's not like it needs to rise.
 
7:05 PM
I've found some real gems in the 3rd or 4th ranked answer.
 
7:18 PM
I find those to be the best ones.
Sometimes even the lowest ranking ones. I've found good answers with negative score.
The top ones are fine.. when one understands it already :D
Another full MCVE Java question from a new user :) But this one isn't a puzzle.. :( It's probably a duplicate, but there's 6 Answers on it already.
 
@DanielWiddis Just make sure it’s my answers, and not my questions, you browse. ;P Thanks. :)
 
7:34 PM
@Andreas lol! Some of us learned fast. Don't ask Questions on Stack Overflow :)
 
7:49 PM
@Scratte Haven’t asked questions in years, though I did have some possibly good ones in mind... then I forgot them.
 
I have one Java one.. I can't figure it out. I wanted to ask it for a while, until I found out how the site worked.
I may ask it on quora or reddit if I ever actually write it out.
 
8:01 PM
Opinion-based?
Why don’t you wanna ask it here? It’s off-topic?
 
No.. and no.
 
Then why not?
 
Questions are closed for no good reason. Close questions is opinion based. And I don't like it at all.
But it's a technical Question. It's based however on Oracle's security guidance that states that 2 similar method calls will give identical results. But they do not.
 
Most of the questions are closed with a valid reason, though I do see questions getting closed that shouldn’t have been, or people demanding code, or «what have you tried» on questions where that is completely irrelevant.
 
So I don't know if it's because I'm doing it wrong or because it's only true for some versions of Java.
 
8:08 PM
There are also questions that I want to close, but there’s no close reason for.
What Java version(s) are you using?
 
Java 11 at present.
 
I’m at Java 13 with preview features from 14.
 
The guidance came at the same time though. And I doubt the methods changed with newer versions.
 
What’s the issue?
 
It's about the security manager and the AccessController class.
It's been a while since I looked at it though, so I'm fuzzy on the details.
 
8:13 PM
Haven’t ever used AccessController, and SecurityManager has never bothered me, so I’m not sure if I can help, but I might be able to.
 
Oh. You want to try to Answer it? :)
It will take me quite a while to prepare a Question. But I'll be willing to outsource it, if I do :)
 
Depends on what the error is. Most likely, I can’t, but one never knows.
I’d just post the question anyway. If it’s received badly, then, shit happens.
 
I posted one Question once. Then it got strange downvotes, so I deleted it while it was still at a positive score.
 
Oh? Why do that? Strange votes always come along.
 
I'd much rather be in a self imposed Question ban, than a system Question ban.
 
8:22 PM
I’ve made 10 terrible questions or so, and have not yet received a ban.
 
Did you get a warning?
 
I did get warnings about a potential ban back then, so I stopped asking questions...
Not sure if any of my questions got any upvotes.
 
Ahh.. that is an indicator to stop. I'd rather just stop before it happens, I guess. So I did.
 
I asked two people in the Python room to help me close 2 of them. I wanted to delete them, but they had answers. I later gave another question of mine a close vote too.
- and I think I deleted one without any answers.
- and the Roomba killed one back in 2018 or so, when I finally asked a new question. Around 15 views, and no votes.
 
I think 0-scored Questions also counts on the Question ban though.
 
8:26 PM
I don’t think Roombaed ones do that.
Now I get no warning anymore.
 
Closed, deleted, < 0 scored Questions for sure counts. If a Question with an Answer is deleted, it's even worse, provided it's deleted in less than 30 days from when it was posted.
I'm not sure if the rule counts it the Question is self-answered though.
 
@Scratte Would enforce an answer ban too :O
 
Well.. The Answer had no votes thankfully. Else I wouldn't have been able to delete the Question. But I have about 80 Answers, so I don't think a ban is just around the corner.
 
I think answer and question bans are treated as two different bans.
You could just ask the question in here, or in the Java room, first. Either I manage to answer it, or someone else does. If it’s a good fit for the main site, you just post it there as well, and then the one who found the solution posts their answer there too.
 
@Andreas They are :) But I'm not worried about the Answer ban at all
 
8:36 PM
Daniel seems to be better at Java than I am.
An answer ban is hopefully far from being imposed on us. ;P
 
I think the trouble is that this one need debugging of the Java SE Classes.. which is very tricky with no IDE
 
Seems fun.
Until you hit the «native» keyword.
 
There is still the one that Danial answered. There's been no explanation to exactly what happens with the rounding.
@Andreas I think Daniel is well versed with the native keyword though :)
 
I actually did start to read through the source code on that one.
 
Me too. With notepad++.. :(
 
8:48 PM
;P
The most powerful IDE of them all.
 
lol!.. It works when I just want to type in some code and test it :)
 
I doubt a question would get downvotes if it showed good research. Cite the docs. Give MCVE of the different behavior. Thoroughly search SO for possible dupes.
 
Mine did.. two
 
 
I think there's even an image of it somewhere..
I also lost 36 reputation points when I deleted it :)
 
9:02 PM
I wouldn’t have deleted that.
 
Here's an image that halfer made.
 
I just got my first upvote on a question I asked in 2016.
 
@AndrasDeak That is not very annoying..
 
@DanielWiddis :)
 
9:08 PM
@Scratte too late
you'll just chat it out of the screen in no time
 
Are you trying to say I'm talkative? :)
 
It was plural. Blame English.
 
@DanielWiddis Heh.. "Java Native Access" :) It's like another planet of obscurities :)
 
Swinglish. Swings so fast you don’t know which direction it’s facing.
 
9:25 PM
@Scratte It's actually pretty straightforward once the concept "clicks". But yeah, you can tell a big difference in what I wrote 5 years ago and today. I once answered an SO question where someone had copied my own "broken" code and was trying to use it with a fixed version of the jar and it wasn't working. :)
 
@DanielWiddis I think it helps if one understands the c-code too though.
 
not too much to understand, just structures. The PITA is tracking down bitness of the types.
I curse quietly everytime I see "long"
and just like the real world of SWE, you learn best fixing bugs.
reads yesterday's xkcd Whatever happened to the murder hornets?
 
@DanielWiddis long in Java? :)
 
no, long in Java is just fine. long in C is a complete PITA.
 
What's SWE?
 
9:32 PM
software engineer
 
@DanielWiddis I usually eat those. They're great with fresh salads and some mozzarella :)
 
PITAs or SWEs? (which are sometimes the same thing)
 
@DanielWiddis I only eat the pita. I've been told that eating software engineers can be punished.
 
the C type I hate the most is the timeval structures, made up of various flavors of time_t that require an archaeology degree to navigate the header files to find how they're ultimately defined.
I watched Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga twice last night. Might watch it again tonight.
 
@DanielWiddis It got bad reviews here.
 
9:39 PM
But they are good bad reviews.
 
Anyway. It’s the same reviewers that gave TLJ 5/5.
 
I've never heard of it.
TLJ?
 
"More tribute than parody, this over-egged farce whips slapstick and cheese into an authentic soufflé of tastelessness."
 
@Scratte Disney Wars: The Last Jedi.
 
Disney Wars?!?
 
9:41 PM
It saddened me they speak English on Iceland. :(
Anyway. They kept some Icelandic in there. I watched 5-10 minutes, then went to bed.
@Scratte Yes?
 
Never heard of those either :)
 
...
😮
😵
 
I've heard of Star Wars..
 
Star Wars is great.
@DanielWiddis That would just mean they’re true.
 
10:40 PM
Hei med deg
 
Hei på deg.
 
11:33 PM
ESC: The Stort of Fire Saga; «Forholdet mellom to artister settes på prøve av både rivaler og scenetrøbbel når de prøver å slå gjennom som due i en global musikkonkurranse.» I can assure you that was not written by a European person.
Translation: «The relationship between two artists is tested as they try to break through as a duo in a global music competition, by rivals and stage issues.»
 
Have you forgotten Celine Dion and other atrocities?
 
Who refers to ESC as a global music competition?
 
the "euro" in eurovision has been a joke for a long time
 
I know. I rolled my eyes when Israel won. Not even a good song.
 
it's never about the songs
 
11:36 PM
Then Australia too... well, at least that was one of the best.
The stupidity is the funniest. :D
 
oh yeah, Oz too
I'm not even sure the votes are real
 
More than 50% of the singers make my ears hurt.
 
@Andreas you have only yourself to blame if you listen to it
 
@AndrasDeak Yes, I know.
- but I gotta watch it.
A year without ESC is a sad year.
 
the last time I watched eurovision I was a teenager
 
11:39 PM
Whaaaaaat?????
 
@Andreas then again I also don't watch other kinds of trash, unlike most people (apparently)
 
How have you managed to stay alive all these years?
ESC isn’t trash. It’s international garbage and gold.
 
;P
 
There's a kind of capsule that has gold flakes in it to make your poop sparkle. Well, it's still crap and it still smells bad.
 
11:41 PM
Weird world we live in.
@AndrasDeak What other trash?
 
reality shows, celebrities, tiger king etc.
twilight saga
 
Tiger King? Was that portraying animal abuse as a good thing? Never watched it, but read an article about a person trying to protect animals having been portrayed as a murderer in it.
 
If you mean Carole Baskin, trying to protect animals doesn't imply that you didn't kill your husband and feed his body to big cats
 
@AndrasDeak ^^^^ this
@AndrasDeak but she was still the victim of the other guy, so it's ... just a train wreck
 
Not to mention that PETA routinely does terrible things to animals in the name of fighting for animals. Like stealing them from porches and putting them down so they don't suffer in captivity.
 
11:47 PM
I watched quite a few documentaries many years ago, but the only good ones I find today, are videos of wildlife, and some Norwegian ones about whatever important thing is going on in the world at the moment. Most of the rest have been dumbed down.
 
@Andreas ultimately the guy who was legally proved to have abused animals is in jail, so there's that
 
PETA? Don’t have them here.
@AndrasDeak One needs evidence.
I’m not planning to watch it anyway.
 
@Andreas well, yeah "having been portrayed as a murderer in it" is technically correct even if the person is a murderer, but it seems to imply that you don't believe that. Note that the series contained footage of a guy (maybe accidentally) killing himself just off-screen with another guy right there with him. That series puts the bar pretty high for itself.
 
@AndrasDeak I’ve no idea who she is. All I know from the series is what I read in that article, stating there was a lack of evidence. I tend to treat people as innocent until that’s proven wrong, or I prefer not to make up a thought/belief.
 
you do you :P
 
11:57 PM
:)
 

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