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2:38 AM
Not to be the kid asking "are we there yet" a million times, but uh are we doing anything with Retiring Our Community-Specific Closure Reasons for Server Fault and Super User. Are there more things to consider/discuss any steps I've missed?
 
2:52 AM
@HenryEcker I need to stop getting sick so I have more energy and pester a CM. Repeated poking of me is not unwelcome :-p
and/or people need to stop posting plagiarized content so I have more time :-p
 
@RyanM Catija suggested here tagging it when the workshopping phase has concluded. (though I don't know if that was just for rewording reasons or more general advice)
@RyanM Well that's probably not going to happen. Unfortunately...
 
@HenryEcker Yeah, that makes sense. I'm asking in our mod room if anyone has any objections to moving forward there.
 
@RyanM Sounds good! Thanks =)
 
Unhelpful flag of the day: "this works too well for the problem i dont even know if flag is that important or not but if it help others you can flag this answer"
 
@RyanM Wut does any of that mean?
 
3:05 AM
Excellent question!
 
 
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4:21 AM
@HenryEcker It occurs to me that I may get more response after the holiday weekend, though...
 
 
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6:56 AM
@RyanM Super wild guess - does the flagger want the answer accepted?
 
 
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11:07 AM
@HenryEcker Narrator: "mom, daddy is asking are we there yet again!" - said the children.
joking aside, the only thing I am unsure about is what is decided on the /sites link? Workshopping in the Team got a bit stale, but I'll be happy to jump back in if that is still on the plate.
Or did we decide to go with the /sites link after all as per the edit on June 9th?
 
11:53 AM
@VLAZ aahhhh I bet you're right
 
12:12 PM
@RyanM I'm sure with this information you're now equipped to handle the flag correctly.
 
"Dear user, we're afraid that we may have declined your nearly incomprehensible flag for the wrong reason. The correct reason follows: Moderators cannot set or change the accepted answer. This can only be done by the original asker, and is optional. Please see: stackoverflow.com/help/accepted-answer";
 
You actually write a message?
 
That's one of the canned decline reasons in Cody's script.
 
I just decline with the standard "flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention"
Ah, right
 
Probably half of the ones I write are something along the lines of "How is this possibly spam?"
 
12:21 PM
@RyanM This is partially on SE, though. Spam has an established meaning outside SE, even if it's a bit wide and unhelpful. On other sites, "spam" might account for stuff like disruptive posting, repeatedly pasting the same thing, provocations. And in general, encompasses more than advertisement. On SE it's only about advertisement. I'm not surprised many users get misled by it.
 
IMHO the correct solution is to allow standard flags to have an explanation
 
I don't really know why SE hasn't just named it "advertisement". Which, I suppose might still draw some false flags but not as many and not as varied. Maybe even call it "undisclosed advertisement".
 
"this is spam because..."
If you flag an R/A post as spam, we're not going to decline that...at least on SO.
red flags are red flags.
 
"This is spam because the same answer was copy/pasted to three different questions" would fit with the more general notion of "spam" but isn't really worth a red flag on SO
 
Although ...crap, I should've nuked those subtle spam posts as R/A, shouldn't I.
I always forget that.
(prevents them from being used as audits)
I've actually nuked nonsense as spam if I'm the only flagger, because then it will be used as an audit :-p
 
 
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1:26 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine This is what I got for feedback there What resource should we direct users to when closing their question as off-topic?. It seems that the MSO FAQ was the less popular opinion. Keeping /sites and /on-topic and if there needs to be more info in help/on-topic update the existing list there instead was the much more popular one. Indifference though seemed to be the prevailing opinion there.
The "we're not responsible for trying to help them figure out where to ask" and "aren't we trying to make bad referrals" and "why should we have to maintain a FAQ when SE should have a better site selector resource" kind of ideas seem to be the more dominant ones. Though it's always hard to determine if that's a vocal minority or the majority
@RyanM Yeah. That's absolutely fine, no rush at all. I just really don't want what is ostensibly the 6th or 7th request for this change to also go unaddressed for years. If there are more things that need to be revised or whatever that's one thing but I don't want it to just sit around collecting dust.
 
2:22 PM
@HenryEcker from analysing responses there, I actually think the response looks to be in favour (or at least is not actively negative) of a separate Q&A on meta as workshopped. But indifference is prevalent, I agree - maybe a good way to shake things up would be rolling out the workshopped ideas and see what happens. I can take it upon myself to do that if you don't disagree with proceeding. Then the reaction will tell if that's a viable idea or not.
 
3:15 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine It's up to you. CMs can edit existing reasons so it's always something we could incorporate into the reason later if needed. Personally, I'd like to try it this way and address problems as they occur then decide. I know there's pushback against /sites but it is the resource the template (blank) on-topic page uses and several other communities off-topic close reasons.
It also depends how site mods feel. But I don't feel that we have enough support that the MSO FAQ will be taken care of to the level it needs to be to be more useful than the site list.... So while I agree a perfectly curated and designed MSO FAQ is undoubtedly better, I'm not confident we can actually get to that state.
Having said all that, however, I'd be happy to post the index answer so it can be pinned if you want to trial the MSO FAQ
 
Hello, guys
 
 
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5:21 PM
@HenryEcker let's try it in async mode then: this can be posted as a separate proposal so as not to block the overdue update to close reasons, and then, based on reception, we can decide whether to incorporate that to new reasons. I will need to work on the other sites and on a careful presentational text first, though
 
I’m voting to close this question because it was generated by an AI. — Rounin - Standing with Ukraine 1 min ago
 
> My goals include turning on the world and stopping doctors from labeling babies with gender markers at birth
I think we should start preparing for SkyNet
 
 
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7:38 PM
Guys don't say hello to me :-(
 
8:19 PM
0/ the usual norm is to just start talking)
 
 
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9:54 PM
@OlegValteriswithUkraine i need a feedback :-)
 

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