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12:38 AM
@Scratte
(per request elsewhere)
 
 
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2:40 AM
 
2:59 AM
@DanielWiddis Err... partially disagree? Just because a question is negatively scored doesn't mean that it isn't a duplicate of a question that is asked more recently. However, I agree that downvoting a question just because it is a duplicate is wrong. As you said, duplicates can be useful.
And I also agree that it makes little sense to use something as a duplicate target, and then immediately go downvote it.
 
3:27 AM
@CodyGray I don't know when it was downvoted, all I'm saying is if it had +0/-1 votes and you targeted it, you personally found it useful and should have +1 to make it net zero. If the answers are useful enough to use as a dupe, the question is also useful. Anyway, not a big deal, just a pet peeve. :)
 
@DanielWiddis I don't necessarily agree. Assume the question is horribly written and unclear. Why should I upvote it?
There are multiple reasons for upvoting and downvoting, so a single thing that makes a question useful is not necessarily sufficient for an upvote.
 
4:19 AM
If the question is horribly written and unclear, it shouldn't be used as a dupe target. If the question is non-repro/fix by typo with 3 major errors in the code like a certain meta post, it shouldn't be used as a dupe target. My beef is with whoever chose to make a -1 voted question a dupe target: they must have thought the question was a useful dupe.
 
@DanielWiddis Sometimes a terrible question gets a good answer
Usually with duplicates we're pointing people to the answers
 
if it's a terrible question it shouldn't be used as a dupe target.
or you should edit the crap out of it :)
 
@DanielWiddis The quality of a question has nothing to do with its suitability as a dupe target. If another question is a duplicate of it, then it's a duplicate.
 
Though that particular non-repro thing would be an awful dupe target
 
Yes, if the question is no-repro or something, then it probably shouldn't be used as a dupe target.
 
4:22 AM
if it's useful as a target for dupes, it's useful. That's my point!
 
@DanielWiddis I have also done this on occasion.
I don't always have time to do that, though, and if I know the answer is correct and it's the same question...
 
Anyway, just venting a bit in the silly room, it's not that big a deal. Just me insisting that someone choosing to use it makes it, by definition Useful
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Also, I'm hoping in about 14 hours you and Dharman have pointy little things by your names.
 
We shall see :-)
 
Meh
 
4:38 AM
Use this tag for questions you really don't give a s*** about.
 
@CodyGray Re this, what's the variety of reasons? I see you even went to the trouble of undeleting, and then spam deleting the post.
 
@cigien Did you see the reason I edited into that message?
System-level blocks.
 
The reason being: preventing more of the same in the future? So you mean tp?
 
I think you're mixing together two different things. tp is a Charcoal thing. The system-level block I'm referring to is a real block, not Charcoal's hypothetical one. The system will block further submissions for a period of time when a red flag is validated on a user's account.
 
Ah, ok. In that case, the user made a test post, clearly oblivious to the existence of a sandbox, and deleted their own post upon it being pointed out. It looked like an honest mistake, and I honestly don't see the user repeating that. As such, blocking that account seems unnecessary.
 
4:53 AM
There is no such thing.
It doesn't matter whether there's a sandbox or not.
Knowingly posting "test" questions to the live site is a serious abuse of the system and should be punished.
 
Like posting non-English content?
 
Much worse
 
I see. My feeling is you're being unnecessarily harsh with this example. I'll think about it for a while and see how I feel though. I'll play along in SOCVR at least; there's nothing to be gained by debating what punishment users deserve, or not, in that context.
 
Curious what the original message was, generally?
 
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just creating a test post to see if stackoverflow accepts hyphens as title of the question since they are used to replace whitespaces
 
5:00 AM
This is the post we're talking about.
 
^^ I know, but I'm not 10K :(
 
With the first line being the title, and the rest being the post content.
 
@DanielWiddis Oops, sorry, I forgot. RyanM posted the gist of it though.
 
Ah, interesting.
And they didn't self-delete it quickly?
 
They did self-delete, reasonably quickly. Just as I was casting a delete vote in fact.
 
5:03 AM
I was going to screenshot it, but then I figured it'd be easier to copy the text. Of course, the chat Markdown formatter had...other thoughts.
 
Gotcha.
 
Self-deleted in just under 2 minutes, after it was closed by 3 users.
 
That's pretty quick!
Charcoal picked it up?
(Realizing I could probably find the post content in metasmoke)
 
@cigien I prefer not to think about it as punishment, but as an appropriate reaction to an abuse of the system.
 
5:11 AM
@CodyGray I just used punishment since you did, but that's not the right term, you're right. As to the appropriateness of the reaction, well, I've mentioned it before, intent is a large part of how I look at the posts.
 
Intent is irrelevant when evaluating posts.
 
5:49 AM
Hmm. User with nearly 100K rep posts question. Eventually realizes it's a dupe and self-votes to close as dupe. I hit it in review queue and tag the same dupe, and it auto-generates the "does this answer your question" comment. So why didn't it do that for the original user? And why didn't they get the prompt to accept the closure by community? It's still sitting there with 2 CV's on it.
I'm guessing voting to close your own question is a not well-handled edge case.
 
@DanielWiddis Voting to close is treated the same even if it's one's own question. It's only when confirming another user's suggestion is it binding.
 
So voting to close your own doesn't add a comment to yourself "does this answer your question?" -- why not?
 
I seem to recall someone saying that you can vote to close it yourself, then subsequently accept your own suggestion. But I've never had cause to test this.
 
I'd do a test post to test it but then Cody would smack my fingers with a ruler.
 
:D
@DanielWiddis Ah, you were asking about the auto generated comment. Yeah, I don't know about that.
 
5:57 AM
so it autogenerated for me as the SECOND vote, which is weird. but then apparently it wasn't an obvious thing for the OP/first voter to accept.
Ah, disregard. He did have the infobox and could accept the community closure.
so closed by 2 people, OP and myself.
(and community)
 
6:45 AM
It'll work with a flag, too, as that displays a banner for the OP to confirm.
But it doesn't work if you just cast a vote out of the blue on your own post.
I think that's a bug, or at least a silly omission, but there it is.
 
 
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9:14 AM
On the topic from the other day about tag wiki suggested edits: what about this one for the tag?
 
Umm... that tag should probably not exist.
It's a tag for the name of a company.
 
Yeah, I figured that. I suppose that makes a question about whether its summary is useful somewhat hard to properly answer.
(though more generally, there are a few device manufacturers who could honestly have a useful tag within Android questions...not naming names, but some have more than their fair share of quirks)
 
Yes, it does.
 
@RyanM I approved that one. My decision was based on some information is better than no information. I double checked and that is indeed the correct company. The questions also seemed related to what they did - the proposed description says they do PLCs and the questions were about PLCs. Presumably by that company.
I'm open to being wrong, of course. Just wanted to explain my reasoning.
 
I don't think it's wrong.
It's not ideal, by any stretch of the imagination, but it seems not horrible, better than nothing, and no fault of the suggester that the tag is a bad tag.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
Normally, that option deletes the post, taking the suggested edit along with it. I wonder what it does for a tag wiki edit?
 
9:20 AM
Science time?
Or would you rather do it on something under more control?
 
Who's out of control? :-)
Aww, it does nothing!
 
@RyanM Standard option for mods.
@RyanM Ah, that was almost fine, except for missing the trailing asterisks.
 
@CodyGray Bingo.
 
You forgot to "improve" it?
oh, no, you did.
I just didn't read the screenshot.
 
9:27 AM
Well, I rejected and edited, but yes I fixed the problems. I left the path un-code-formatted, because...meh, it's fine either way.
 
You left it bold?
 
It seemed a reasonable thing to emphasize
Okay, fine, I took a second pass. Better? :-)
 
I almost wonder if it doesn't need a numbered list?
 
9:48 AM
Hmm, sometimes I regret rejecting an edit. And not because I should have approved instead. The opposite - I find out that somebody has approved it, so it feels like the correct action would have been Reject and Edit.
 
Ah, yeah, that's a common issue when one does not have mod privileges.
 
 
14 hours later…
11:42 PM
@Scratte At least I planned ahead..
 
Did your tissues arrive?
 
I didn't rely on delivery. I got them myself..
 

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