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12:00 AM
@Compass you're good
 
AM I placing myself in jeopardy with my advice here: stackoverflow.com/questions/41600996/…
 
@MikelF That seems okay to me. Nobody has answered yet, so it won't invalidate anything to change the question
 
The problem is that the original question was answered in a comment. I don't know if the bump he'd get from being able to accept an answer would get him out of purgatory
I am not interested in helping people skirt the rules.
It doesn't help that the original question is not particularly useful and could probably be justifiably closed.
 
12:16 AM
"What should I do?" is still too broad of a question though, so they will need to read the rules some more. I would just flag it as "not an answer" and let someone else handle it.
 
I flagged it as such before I left the comment.
The comment was my mistake... soft hearted
 
You did good :)
 
I feel a twinge of sympathy and end up with half a dozen comments in my inbox asking for more help...
 
It happens to me too. If you leave links to the help center, it can cut down on the number of replies you have to make.
 
 
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1:58 AM
The typo in that question made me laugh ^^^
"Get a bigger tub"
 
2:16 AM
thanks :)
 
user3956566
@approxiblue seriously, that is one of the worst edit suggestions I've ever seen.
 
I think it's supposed to be a pun resulting from the burnination request
 
user3956566
oh yeh, I didn't read the tag name lol
Exhausted ttytt
 
4:33 AM
Do moderators usually clean up comments like on this question? I'm not sure if that kind of flag would be declined.
 
@4castle you use a custom flag on the post meta.stackoverflow.com/a/254854/880772
 
4:47 AM
@approxiblue ok. First time here :). Thanks.
 
hey Undo
 
oy
 
would you consider this VLQ? stackoverflow.com/a/39820436
 
I'd probably revert to "that's a horrible question anyway"
You might get a helpful flag, but I probably wouldn't delete it because it provides exactly what the question was asking for. Any action there should be taken on the question
 
right
the YT link makes me think "VLQ!" but the answer does have enough text
 
4:58 AM
aye
 
5:08 AM
is there any way to withdraw an edit to a post?
 
^ Can ya'll give me six spam flags on that? I messed up the order of actions and now I can't flag it myself.
 
@MikelF Click the link "edited Jan xx 'xx at xx:xx" under the question and then scroll down to the edit you want to restore back to and click "rollback"
 
yeah, I was afraid I wouldn't have the privilege... I'll have to wait for my edit to be rejected
 
5:26 AM
I'm going to bed; see you later!
 
night!
 
6:00 AM
YO!
 
Heyo
 
6:23 AM
might someone put my edit out of my misery? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/14859812
@Makyen thank you
 
@MikelF No problem. I agree that the code comment is not clear, but neither was your change. There are other issues better discussed on that Q & A.
 
6:55 AM
is this question as per SO standard? stackoverflow.com/q/41606591/2664200
 
@SpringLearner No, not even close.
 
7:20 AM
@4castle as you can see the comment from ghostcat, So I thought I am wrong. Thanks
 
Hello! can anyone tell me why my edit rejected? here
 
@Sami While you might get an answer here, that is a question that would be more appropriate on meta
 
This is copy/paste so i edit the A , and for who say must be as comment , there is a comment so why should say the same thing that another one say it in comment.
Bye.
 
@Sami If it was copy & paste from another site, you should flag the post for moderator attention, explain that it is plagiarized, and provide the source from which it was copied (for verification).
 
7:36 AM
Can everyone please flag that question as abusive ^^^ it's not dying fast enough
 
The question?
What's wrong with the question?
 
Sorry, I meant the answer
 
8:21 AM
@user2314737 "not interesting" seems like a downvote reason. I've selected No MCVE because its about an error not shown
 
@4castle I think there's the typo/not reproducible reason under "off-topic"
 
Morning \o
 
@user2314737 Right, I'm saying the question was not resolved by a typo, and they haven't explained what the output/error is so it can't be reproducible
 
@4castle anyway, barely worth discussing it
 
@user2314737 I'm not so much discussing the question, as much as I'm discussing that "I don't like this question" isn't a close-reason
 
8:30 AM
@4castle with "not interesting" I didn't mean "I don't like it", but rather that the question is unlikely to be useful to anyone but the OP
 
@user2314737 That still doesn't seem to constitute closing to me. If they would post an error message, it may then be a useful question to someone else with the same error
 
@4castle ok
 
 
Hiya
 
9:14 AM
Morning all ヽ(°〇°)ノ
 
9:31 AM
Hiya
 
grmbl, SO question gets an answer that is a copy of an answer on Quora ....
with attribution ... so at least that is kind of good
 
10:11 AM
Any free to patrol the NATO? The NAAs are coming in full flow
 
@BhargavRao I'll have a look
 
Thanks. There are 7-8 on the first page itself.
translate: Si mira koges un toucyño de acer fylloas y lo frotas kontra la pantalla y lla.
(from Spanish) If you look koges a toucyno of acer fylloas and rub it kontra screen and all.
 
10:27 AM
is this NAA?
 
@rene nope
 
Is this NAA?
and if it is not, is it self promotion?
 
looks like self promotion
with attribution
 
At least the first one contained some clue as to how to solve the issue
That second one is just some noise and a link
 
the OP was using the tutorial written by answerer
as said by him
 
10:32 AM
So, the question is mcve since it just refers to the tutorial and the answer is practically link-only?
"When I get as far as adding the IOS platform via command 'cordova platform add ios'" is not a good problem description
 
answer is VLQ i guess
its not NAA
 
And is this NAA?
 
no idea about that
but looks like a attempt to answer
 
@rene nah
 
Plop everyone
 
10:39 AM
Hiya @tuna and @kyll
 
Plopz
 
@BhargavRao The answer is essentially OverWriting connectString in code
 
Can you salvage it?
 
It could be edited to "The solution is to overwrite connectString in your code"
 
Gotcha, Marked as not naa.
 
blob
 
11:01 AM
Aaah
Con => connection
 
Not the same meaning in French yes :)
 
Hue hue hue
 
Sacre Bleu
 
@BhargavRao Fichtre!
 
Bon sang de bonsoir !
 
11:06 AM
 
The realtime tab is a depressing place
 
11:21 AM
I have left NATO, maybe you can take over that one @JanDvorak
 
I'll take a peek in the SObotics, but I can't promise I'll be useful there
 
@JanDvorak I think he meant the actual NATO. Not the bot.
 
oh. The 10k tool.
What's the procedure? Read through the list, flag anything NAA, then reload the page?
What to do with stuff like this just shrug off as poor answer and maybe downvote if I'm feeling (un)generous?
 
Yes and yes.
 
that ^
 
11:32 AM
So many users are unaware of the difference between a NAA and a wrong answer. Perhaps we need another queue for "wrong answers".
 
I think we'd need a queue for "interesting and unique answer"
and hope it isn't always empty
 
A queue for wrong answers would be nice if it leads to deletion. If it only solicits downvotes, there won't be much participation.
 
@BhargavRao meh, but we can do with the change of criteria for NAA from this is not an answer to some question to the much more logical this is not an answer to the question
 
@rene I actually think that'd create more problems, because that would introduce "what is the question really asking" problem
 
@rene that would be nice, but mods don't want to do anything that requires knowledge.
 
11:36 AM
@rene Nah, then we'd need to have tag specific mods
 
Problem is that today too many people get hang up over "but it's a comment!"
 
don't bring NAA's to mods, only for accepted answers
 
@rene there's already a one-hour delay
 
15 minutes*
 
ok, losing battle, bad idea, forget it
 
11:37 AM
But, true, the rules are kinda awkward. If there is a "Here's how you do it in python" answer for a Java post, Mods have to decline it. :|
 
@JanDvorak yes that is naa
 
nope
see, we agree
 
If you see the full post, then you can clearly state that it is a NAA. But if you see only the first 100 chars, then you can't.
 
Is it a link only answer, but without an explicit link?
 
11:39 AM
@rene do you? I thought are you saying it's not NAA.
 
yes rene says 'we agree' to show that we disagree as emphasis that the NAA flag is broken
 
@Tunaki what he says @JanDvorak
 
@tripleee I thought unclear / no-mvce
 
@JanDvorak seems like "how does this wordpress plugin work", not a programming question
 
Wordpress is on-topic here, isn't it?
Boy, NATO is depressing
 
11:52 AM
meh, less than the new questions list...
 
@JanDvorak I think it is
 
12:20 PM
What to do with foreign-language answers? Translate them?
 
According to google translate it is an answer (You need to install TAP adapter from here openvpn.net/release during installation, you can select only the TAP adapter.)
however, according to the guidance, we should flag them as VLQ (meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297673/…)
 
12:38 PM
Or delete-vote
^ wut
This question just popped up on meta: "my server has been put on shredding for no reason. All data has been lost. Can anyone help me out?"
Oh meta...
 
@Cerbrus those first four words usually trigger me to an instant CV
 
Did you just mention the meta here?
 
I know right. Better punish me...
 
> Tank for Helping .
 
np
 
12:56 PM
Really? I translated your code to English, put it into my debugger and debugged it for you, and all I got was this rusty tank?
 
Morning
 
Hiya
 
1:27 PM
is this rude or offensive?
 
@rene NC at least
 
OK
 
2:08 PM
> For two comments, it may be easier to just flag both. That's actually less work for us moderators. :-) If that is true, where is the break-even point?
Not sure which mod handled that ^ for me
 
@SmokeDetector why
 
@SmokeDetector unregistered user, can't delete the post.
Rude/Abusive after translation
 
2:26 PM
Hey, Bhargav 😃 Can you have a quick look at the last few lines in our room (132765)? (Just so you're aware, not to act on)
 
@Cerbrus Sure, In a bit.
@Cerbrus Read that, Looks like Madara is on it. However if the user continues to harass you, ping me. :)
 
morning!
 
Hiya @gunr2171 \o
 
Hiya gunr
 
so good news, my all-day meeting yesterday is over. Bad news is that there is another one next week : (
it's the annual "corporate start of the year kick off" crap, but this next one is specifically for our building.
 
2:40 PM
@rene: for posts with just 2 or 3 comments, it is actually easier for us to just flag the comments directly. Saves you typing out that whole message too.
:-)
 
@MartijnPieters OK, so 3 is the break-even point?
 
So they pulled the old bait ans switch on you ;) No we do not do long meetings, well except occasionally when they take all day and you get absolutely nothing done.
 
I don't mind typing the message ...
 
4 or 5, perhaps.
 
OK, noted
 
2:43 PM
The custom message is more work; open the post into a new tab, delete the comments, mark the flag as helpful.
chat flags all appear in the same queue; direct delete is easier that way.
(deleting the comments is at least 3 clicks, mod menu -> select purge comments -> click apply).
so custom flag -> open post -> open menu -> select purge -> hit appy -> click flag -> click helpful.
 
TIL: feed the mods little flags one by one, if you give them one big flag they have trouble chewing it.
 
7 steps where 3 'delete' clicks for 3 comments is faster for us. :-)
 
That makes sense. Thanks for explaining and sorry for filling the mod queue
 
I can imagine that flagging each comment is also work for you, hence the 4-5 threshold.
nope, no problem, just giving you a heads-up so we can all at top efficiency. :-D
 
\o/
 
2:47 PM
I'm concerned with how lax some mods decline flags
"I just didn't feel like deleting it" would be disputed, not declined, no?
 
Mods can't dispute
 
Declined says "You shouldn't have flagged that and because you wasted our time you're on your way to a flag ban"
 
@Magisch we can only mark spam and rude flags as disputed.
 
Well
 
@Magisch it takes more than a few declined flags to be flag-banned.
and that's always temporary.
 
2:48 PM
A declined flag is a punitive action against the account of the flagger
 
Nonsense.
You get warned first.
 
hail low everyone,
 
Mods are constantly griping that we can't ban some flaggers ;-) The ridiculous spam or rude flags we sometimes see.
 
that was literally my first msg in sof chat!
 
@MartijnPieters What if I flag 20 comments and a mod just feels like not deleting all of them (because either they didn't read entirely or trusted the comment OP with the benefit of the doubt) like on meta? I'd sit on a flag ban
just from that
 
2:49 PM
should've been "hello world" :/
 
hello el
 
sup @user2314737
 
afk
 
@Magisch then don't go hunting for 20 comments to flag or use a custom flag on the post.
Anywho, I was only here to chat to rene for a sec. Cheerio, got a flag queue to murder.
 
It can very naturally happen for me to have 20 pending flags when I'm in sobotics or see OP's moaning about their question getting close votes on every other Q in the CVQ
 
2:50 PM
@user2314737 lol,
doing some nasty angular 2 app ecommerce here
 
i like angular
 
@MartijnPieters You forgot to mention that the page reloads twice in between. :D
 
Have fun murdering flags martijn
 
@user2314737 1 or 2 ?
.
 
is there a difference--I like it but >Im not an expert
 
2:52 PM
@Magisch: also, when did this ever happen to you? Please don't complain about hypotheticals, because on both SO and Meta your flag decline count is almost non-existent.
 
haha, huge
did u use @scope or no?
 
I hate being berated with 0 proof, you know.
 
because $scope was only in angular 1
not 2
 
@ElHoussineTalab @user2314737 Can you keep the discussion on-topic please?
 
@ElHoussineTalab then I used 1
 
2:53 PM
@Tunaki what is the topic? :/
 
@MartijnPieters I'm very self conscious about flags
 
@ElHoussineTalab cough Room name cough
 
So your complaint is hypothetical.
 
It is
it's still a fear of mine
 
> This room is for the weekly close event, discussion about reviewing, and coordination of site-wide cleanup efforts. Read our FAQ at socvr.org
 
2:54 PM
You are afraid you might get into a flag ban. No, 20 comment flags won't do it.
 
that some day I get like 20 declined flags in a day and end up in a week of flag ban
 
All the comments on one post count as one flag anyway.
 
@Machavity lol, k
 
Thats at least reassuring
 
Right, so talk about the fear of that possibility, not that it is a fact of the system. Because it isn't.
 
2:54 PM
It's bound to have happened somewhere sometime
By sheer probability
we have like over a million people who flag
 
It has happened to flaggers that deserved it. Flagging everything under the sun with a zealous misunderstanding of the flag, and continuing after the warning.
 
I suppose
I concede the argument
 
and 7 days is not long. As you say, we have a million people who flag (not really, maybe 10k, tops).
So when someone is f-ing up the system with their misconception that hurts those that flag legitimately.
 
@BhargavRao Well, "On it"... I'm not sure he's online right now
 
@ElHoussineTalab You can make your own room to talk about anything you want. Click on @user2314737 and select "start a new room with this user"
 
2:56 PM
We get enough flags to process without having to babysit those that don't know how to.
 
@MartijnPieters Precisely why I take declined flags so seriously
A declined flag for me says "You flagged that wrong, do better next time"
 
@Machavity alright, sorry did not knew the rules. I'll show my self out
 
@Magisch it says: "we don't agree this is the right flag here"
 
@Magisch Maybe take it a little less seriously
 
@MartijnPieters Yeah I'm still feeling my way around the whole flagging as I've had a few declined where I didn't totally understand the process.
 
2:58 PM
@ElHoussineTalab No need to leave, just not on topic in here
 
and yes, we want you to learn from the process too. Continuing on without paying attention should have consequences. But it's a feedback mechanism like any other.
Would you rather there was no feedback?
 
If I know the site well enough and exercise my best judgement I should have no declined flags
 
@Nkosi there is plenty of info in the help center and on meta. You are always welcome to ask for clarification.
 
@Magisch I think that's an unreasonable goal
 
@Magisch everyone is human here. we all make mistakes, me included.
 
2:59 PM
I pour over meta and read the fine print on everything. My aspiration is to not have another declined flag after every one
 
There will always be some interpretation differences
 
@Cerbrus He'll see once he's back, I'll also ping him once I see him somewhere. :)
 
If you only accept perfection, then you can never do anything, and that's just sad and depressing.
5
 
I reference them back and forth when I'm uncertain on what to do
 
When I make mistakes I try hard to not make them twice
 
3:00 PM
@BhargavRao Yea, at least you both are aware of the situation, then :-)
 
anywho, flag queue.
Cheerio!
 
cheers
 
thx
 
@Magisch I think you're just worried you'll end up like this
 
4:02 PM
And thusly, I consumed a whole container of seaweed because I was hungry.
 
@Compass I hear it's packed with nutrients
 
This 24-pack of seaweed containers is about the size of two college textbooks and has... a total of 500 calories.
all my office workers think it's fishy so I am consuming it all solo (owo)/
 
4:19 PM
@Compass At least it sounds fishy ;-) I hope for your co-workers you have some mouthwash at the office ...
 
@Compass Fishy as in of questionable origin or it actually tastes fishy?
 
As in it actually tastes fishy.
Because, surprise, fish eat seaweed.
You are what you eat.
 
so fish taste like seaweed then lol
 
@Compass So, I'm a pizza?!
 
Yes. You are a pizza.
 
4:44 PM
@JarrodRoberson why did you post a non-answer if you're requesting closure?
 
(which isn't saying much actually)
 
Last report very fishy
Mh, I'm trusting Glorfindel on it.
 
@JarrodRoberson Is the 'no requests on questions you've answered' rule in effect yet or is it being discussed at the upcoming room meeting? cc @Kyll
 
Oh, indeed
 
But thanks to Jarrod's edit on his answer I got to experience my very first flag retraction :-D
 
4:48 PM
 
@Kyll also the second one for the same question he posted
maven-3
 
@Jarrod We don't allow requests on questions you have asked / answered.
 
why is it called sanitarium
 
Because naming things is hard
4
 
@Compass It's where all the crazy stuff goes
 
4:59 PM
SOCVR Where the Crazy Things Are?
Wow it rhymes. Accidentally.
 
@Compass true, but the cadence is a bit off
SOCVR - Where the Crazy Questions Are
 
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