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1:20 AM
@AnderBiguri Then you can say “oops, didn’t know eval was so dangerous…”
@flawr Interesting. A colleague from my PhD student days developed a hierarchical partition of the sphere using triangles all the way. Allowed for easy indexing of directions in 3D.
Hexagons are nice on the plane, but don’t really work for the sphere. They point out all these issues, and still didn’t come to the conclusion that it’s not a good solution? There’s some pentagons in there, hexagons don’t subdivide a hexagon, I’m not impressed! :)
 
 
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9:06 AM
@CrisLuengo They defined it such that if you consider a fine enough resolution, the pentagons just land in the sea:)
 
 
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11:12 AM
if you squint your eyes the pentagons aren't there
 
heh
like when they show a die with 1 and 6 or 3 and 4 or 2 and 5 visible at the same time
(assuming no mirrors or refraction etc., before one of you wise guys comes along)
 
haha vi hart just posted about this issue but with octahedral dice: youtube.com/watch?v=-p7C5FrgAzU (the "more data" part is the most interesting where she actually made models of the different graphs of how these d8 are numbered)
 
11:28 AM
Vi? I'm already sold.
But no more videos, I have a poster to finish :P
 
 
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2:33 PM
@flawr He's so right. Was it so dificult to make the icons correctly?
 
2:54 PM
@flawr I know. But it’s a coincidence that this is even possible, it’s not a generic solution, not to map other planets, not to map the earth in times of Pangea nor a million years from now, and not to map non-geography things on a sphere, such as what my colleague was working on.
And you know, if it’s not 100% generic it’s useless to me. :D
Nah, It’s a pretty cool system for what they use it for. I’m just disappointed that they keep saying how hexagons are better than rectangles and triangles, but then brush away all the problems that hexagons cause in their system.
Is this neighborhood relationship really so important that they’re willing to ignore scale changes completely breaking up previously drawn boundaries?
 
 
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4:06 PM
@CrisLuengo Absolutely, it clearly shows that these guys are just engineers:)
@CrisLuengo Definitely, and it also fails for spheres of higher dimensions:P
@LuisMendo Yeah, unfortunately the petition was not successful
@LuisMendo I heard guitarrists like them strings aliexpress.com/item/4000161045619.html
 
4:40 PM
@flawr ah! Indeed! I discard any method that cannot be generalized to arbitrary dimensions even if I only need it in 2D!
Well, not really, but DIPlib is full of algorithms that are generalized to any number of dimensions. It’s a much funnier way to implement algorithms. There really are only a few functions that are limited to 2D only or 2/3D.
@flawr From that video I eventually happened on a video by her dad. He does cool practical mathy stuff!
 
5:27 PM
@flawr Better leave all-hexagon layouts for flat surfaces
(Picture from a while ago, near my house)
Oh, pity it was not successful
@flawr Heh. Three pickups need to cover all those
I wonder that tuning is supposed to be used. Fourths and major thirds won't do
 
 
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6:37 PM
@LuisMendo I think at that point you'd be better off buying a harp:)
@CrisLuengo Actually one of the first things I wrote when learning matlab was a tool to create these polyhedra based structures! (In the meantime I found that stuff like blender exsits:)
(inspired by george hart)
(not the best attempt, but it still works:)
 
7:17 PM
@flawr neat!
@LuisMendo My guess is it doesn’t matter, because you can’t play that thing anyway. :D
Maybe it’s a guitar for octopuses (octopi?).
Obviously more is not always better…
 
7:35 PM
@CrisLuengo you're wrong about that. As every machine learning engineer can tell you more parameters are better, so are more gpus, more ssds, more layers, more data, more chocolate, more papers, more coffee etc
 
@flawr is that a polyhedron made of that single weird-ass-shaped polygon? Nice!
@CrisLuengo nonono no octopi here
 
@AndrasDeak yup! in this case the base shape is a dodecahedron made from pentagons, and in the program you can draw some shape that will be rotated to each side of the pentagon to get some "star"-shape (with pentagonal symmetry), and one of those is then put on every face of the dodecahedron
 
I've only seen dodecahedrons made of pentagons :P
 
so in theory you could cut out twelve of these shapes from some flat sheet of metal or cardboard or so, and then construct a monstrosity like that
@AndrasDeak you're missing out then! :)
 
ah, so when you say "rotated to each side of the pentagon" you mean embedded in 3d, like building a tent over a pentagon's sides
I wouldn't have understood without your figure
 
7:50 PM
if you grind down the edges of a cube at 45° until all each face collapses to a single point, you get a rhombic dodecahedron, made from -- you guessed it -- rhombi
 
I know, we have those in solid state physics
also truncated icosahedra (just to come back to football)
 
@AndrasDeak ah no, they would be in a plane (consider al pieces you see e.g. in this bright yellow, they are all in the same plane)
 
that's not what I see in the figure
I can imagine a dodecahedron with protrusions on each face
like the one at the top of the figure
and each protrusion is a "tent" (top) made of 5 isomorphic weird-ass-shaped polygons
 
let me make a nicer shape:)
 
pls port to python so I can play with it kthxbai
 
8:03 PM
honestly I'm not sure I want to look at the code from back then :D
now each piece of the same colour is in one plane, it is like a 5-winged windmill kind of shape
does it makes more sense now?
 
aaaaah, I think so, hold on
 
they are just interlocking though
 
OK, thanks, I think I get it. Just have to figure out why they interlock.
do the windmill's arms extend beyond the dodecahedron's respective face?
 
right!
is there a matplotlib way to click on points and record their coordinates (like ginput())?
 
Uuuh probably with 3rd party mpldatacursor or something
@flawr OK, thanks
The "extends over face" is what I was missing
 
8:08 PM
do you know blender? (the 3d animation open source thing)?
 
Heard of it, friend uses it
 
ah ok, if you know it a little bit it is not too difficult to do there
 
Do what?
 
this whole construction: draw some weird shape, make it 5-fold symmetric, paste it on the faces of a polyhedron, modify it in real time:)
 
Ah, yes
 
9:15 PM
@flawr I didn’t say “more is never better”, I said “more is not always better”. Though you can have too much coffee. I once overdosed and became quite ill for two days.
 
@CrisLuengo As every ml engineer can tell you, a few examples definitely generalize to everything:P
@CrisLuengo ou that sounds bad, didn't know it can be that bad!
 
@AndrasDeak this is not very welcoming! I certainly appreciate beings with a different background and different abilities on the team. Especially mimetic abilities are pretty cool.
@flawr lol!
 
what kind of symptoms didy ou get from your coffe-overdose?
 
I vomited for two days, couldn’t keep anything down.
 
@flawr I had a classmate in high school drink something like 12 vending machine coffees over the course of a few hours, she was shaking like a leaf at the end
@CrisLuengo oof
congratulations on the survival instincts I guess
 
9:55 PM
@CrisLuengo Try playing bar chords on that! :-D
@flawr :-D
 
@AndrasDeak trying to plot polygons in 3d - after what I read online this should work, however I only ever see a triangle instead of a pentagon, can you confirm? pastebin.com/8HHd33sL
 
10:14 PM
oh nvm, I need to wrap it in another list
 
I'd indent it like this:
coords = np.array([
    [1, 1, 1],
    [1 / phi, 0, phi],
    [1, -1, 1],
    [phi, -1 / phi, 0],
    [phi, 1 / phi, 0],
])
 

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