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8:39 AM
It appears that bsxfun {syntax} was reborn under the name pagefun.. I noticed this piece of code in one of the functions of R2020b: Z = pagefun(@mtimes, X, Y);
I was missing this exact functionality in one of my codes... Now I can finally remove the UnimplementedCodeError I put there :)
 
9:18 AM
So much fun! :P
 
What's strange is that this function appears to have been introduced way back in 2013, but I think it has a different behavior for gpuArrays vs doubles 0_o
 
I guess I should update my matlab
 
I'll explain: a new function was introduced in R2020b: pagemtimes. This function is part of the "base MATLAB package". This functions is applicable to gpuArray inputs, in which case it calls pagefun under the hood. HOWEVER, pagefun cannot be called directly on double inputs...
 
Confusing functionality? flawr is on the job ;)
 
hey!
 
9:31 AM
so it looks like an example of having the cake and eating it
 
you should extract the magic powder from that functions that lets you call non-double functions on doubles :)
 
it's a builtin unfortunately
 
you could convert your code to integer arithmetic
 
@flawr for the lulz?
 
clearly integers are better than doubles
 
9:33 AM
of course, why else would google and nvidia build specialized processors for {u}int8
 
right?
 
doubles are the embodiment of "too much information"
 
and under the hood they are nothing but mangle integers anyway
@AndrasDeak actually I still had 2017a
 
9:52 AM
@Adriaan good thing that corona viruses get killed in fondue: nau.ch/news/schweiz/…
 
@CrisLuengo I saw your comment in Linkedin on that image of the cell, that the authors "enhance" by just applying a trheshold after rescaling it x8 resolution using bicubic interpolation
Is that as bad as it sounds? I have not read the preprint, but sounds like I'd reject that paper only under how bad that figure is
 
"if it works it ain't stupid" so I guess the question is if it works :P
 
It doesnt, if you enhance an image with interpolation, there is no more info in the image than it was befor e(as Cris poitns out in his comment)
 
Well, that's how any kind of "enhance" will work, right? Pulling out information out of nowhere. The question is whether the result is beneficial. Like, increasing accuracy without decreasing specificity
 
10:00 AM
ha, thresholding 13 pixels
 
XD
I guess if they modelled the imager PSF, then maybe, but the paper says "bicubic interpolation"
 
10:24 AM
@AndrasDeak Not any kind... NN-based "enhances" achieve very respectable results
 
@Dev-iL but you still can't make information from nothing, yes?
 
well, depends on your definition of "nothing"
 
it's just a question of how helpful the fake information is
 
I can agree to that
 
(and I fear the day when these enhancements will inevitably make it into law enforcement, due to the uncontrolled nature of false positives)
 
10:26 AM
In case you're unfamiliar with nvidia's "AI Upscaling", take a look here
 
11:23 AM
@AndrasDeak just hope that they didn't use xerox copying machines: dkriesel.com/en/blog/2013/…
@AndrasDeak I mean if you know that these cells are supposed to be smooth almost-round blobs, then why not? This probably does not apply and I'm not defending their "invention", but sometimes you can actually make use of some prior knowledge.
 
@flawr what the hell!
 
Do we have a dupe for this? If I understood it correctly, all it does is asking for "How to store variables in a loop"
 
well, NNs in theory learn something, then enhance the image with that learned information. Def better than imresize()
 
@flawr I bet the exact "almost-round" can determine if it's cancer
 
@AndrasDeak he had a great talk at CCC but it is in german
 
11:26 AM
I can't even
@flawr just skimmed the slides; jesus
 
@AndrasDeak I didn't watch/read the english versions, but in the german talk he said there were companies who used machines like this to digitize all incoming letters and only use the digital versions after that
 
I meant the German CCC talk
 
11:44 AM
ah ok:)
 
11:57 AM
Im only 20 minutes in. I now need to watch the entire thing because Im ascared of the implications of this thing and I need to know how big it is
 
about <------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
but only if anybody who handles your papers uses xerox ;)
 
In the US is so overwhelmily used that people call them Xerox, instead of photocopier
 
that's probably more about history than popularity
 
 
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1:55 PM
@AnderBiguri it is bad because people will think the information obtained from the image is better. For example, you can measure the perimeter of the smooth outline quite precisely, however it will have the same actual precision as the result for low-res outline, it could be just as far off from the perimeter of the thing being imaged. The precision of the measurement is fake.
 
yeah, its just suprising that someone actually though that was a good idea in 2020 research
 
not sure "published in 2020" is a sign for quality (:
 
The ML approaches to interpolation have exactly the same problem. You’re filling out the image with data from elsewhere, but you don’t know what was supposed to be there. You might be right, and get good results, or you might be wrong and think you have good results.
@flawr Did you all hear about the image fakery by last year’s Nobel Prize winner in Medicine?
 
@CrisLuengo no I haven't, what was that about?
 
Sorry, took me a while to find that story again.
Anyway, no year has advantage in terms of publication quality.
 
2:08 PM
im here, all axious about being able to become an academic long term, because how hard it is to procude novel science, and Nobel price winners are there doign shenannigans
but I dont understand anything on that article, not the parts where they show why the data is fake at least
 
Hah, I just got the Why did you downvote-survey
 
> All these copy-pasted gel bands are depressing. But even more depressing is the knowledge that none of these three journals is likely to retract them, or to do anything in the first place. Because Semenza won the Nobel Prize.
@CrisLuengo thanks for sharing
I found the part I quoted form above especially infuriating.
 
2:25 PM
yeah, not the first time it happened. I know of researchers that are paper mills (not fake ones, AFAIK) adn get super promoted in academia
not for groundbreaking researc, but just from being a human-printer
 
2:37 PM
@CrisLuengo me neither, thanks for the link, will read it
 
@CrisLuengo don't you have a nice answer on preallocation? That could be linked here
 
@CrisLuengo that's atrocious
 
@AndrasDeak I feel like the low precision low accuracy plot has about the same accuracy as the high accuracy low precision plot:P
 
2:55 PM
@AndrasDeak I've made that exact same graphic too. It's amazing how many people taking a PhD level course don't know the difference between accuracy and precision. How do you get though first-year statistics without learning that???
 
you don't, but you don't need first years statistics to get to a PhD level
I didn't have statistics :D
 
@AnderBiguri If you see two bands with the same noise on it, they've been copied. Just like the Xerox machine does. They're hiding ugly data, or worse, they're hiding data that say something different from what they wanted it to say.
@AnderBiguri What???
Did you study computer science?
 
No, ElecEng
 
I found that my students with a CS undergrad were all afraid of equations. They didn't know how to read them.
Why are they not teaching stats in electrical engineering?
 
I think I may had statistics in my first year, but with such a horrible teacher, that is as if I didnt
 
2:59 PM
Every time you take measurements, you must be aware of the statistics...
 
but we mostly did combinatorics
 
@AnderBiguri haha had the same experience:)
 
Yeah, its bad, I needed to lear a lot on my own, later in life
 
I think people teach the fun things, not the important things.
 
I had the impression that it would be a lot more beneficial if stats/prob. theory was taught a little bit later when people know a little bit more about analysis calculus.
 
3:02 PM
yeah I agree
 
That might be true.
 
@CrisLuengo no statistics here either
 
I remember the 1st year exercises of propagating errors though equations. Like a=F/m, you measure F and m, you estimate their errors, then determine what the error in the estimated a is. You need the Jacobian for that, and I remember not being very clear about what that was.
 
I am quite sure that I never learned the concept of a Jacobian in 5 years of study XD
I learned doing projects and maths
 
@AndrasDeak Well, that explains why so many of my students didn't know statistics... Sigh...
 
3:05 PM
<I have no idea how I got here>
 
@CrisLuengo that we did, Gaussian propagation of error
@AnderBiguri I did, but a lot later :)
 
So you did do statistics.
 
nah
it was literally just "this is how you propagate errors for your physics lab report"
 
Just didn't cal it statistics.
 
I still don't know the difference between accuracy and precision :D
not even sure what those correspond to in Hungarian jargon
 
@CrisLuengo thanks, will bookmark that
 
@AndrasDeak I will always repeat that VIM is the worst, so I am precise each time I describe it. Now, you may think I am not accurate, but I disagree
😃
 
@CrisLuengo oh so that is how they do it in physics:)
 
The difference is simple: if your measurement is imprecise but accurate, you can repeat it many times, the average will become a precise measurement. If your measurement is inaccurate, you're fucked. Simple!
@flawr They just threw us into the deep end, yes.
Is that wat you mean?
 
3:11 PM
No, I mean I visited a physics lecture with some other students and we always did it by transforming random variables (which would acatually be the exact thing to do), but approximating things using first degree taylors would probably be quite a bit easier:)
(none of us had the introduction where the physicists explained how they would do things like error propagation)
 
it's a trade secret
the plebs would realize that our measurements aren't exact
 
@flawr I guess that makes sense. Then add 10% just in case. That's what they taught us anyway.
 
well it explaines how the results of our exercises always were very close to the exemplary solutions but never quite thes ame
@AndrasDeak do you mean you guys invent numbers???
 
no, they've been discovered for quite a while
 
:P
 
3:28 PM
@CrisLuengo mr cauchy would like to have a word with you
 
4:20 PM
@flawr I don't follow.
Did Cauchy work on something that contradicts my statement?
 
@CrisLuengo I was referring to the cauchy distribution:)
not sure if cauchy himself had anything to do with it
(the cauchy distribution has no mean, and the average of samples will not converge to anything)
 
Ah, I see now what you mean. Let's assume measurements are nicely Gaussian then. :)
 
right, as soon as you actually have to do any computations everyhting is gaussian, that is the first law of statistics:)
 
Also, because of this, just discarding obvious outliers (values that cannot be represented by your measurement tool), things get back to good behavior.
In any case, if your measurement doesn't have a mean, it cannot be called accurate. The definition of accurate is that the expected value corresponds to the correct measurement value.
 
Cauchy: "what do you mean?"
 
4:34 PM
"what the moment generating f***"
 
4:56 PM
@Dev-iL: Comgratulations! Deep learning, eh? Another soul lost... :p
 
5:14 PM
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