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06:37
@CrisLuengo Can do; I might make a CW answer out of it in that case
06:56
I'm a week late to the party, but I just need to vent... This might be unpopular, but man am I tired of the LGBTTQQIAAPWTH discussion.
By the way, I support people's right to be who they want and agree that everyone should respect their choices, but going so far as to not allowing gender neutral language on a technical site is just going to far IMO.
We are to remove "Hi I'm Jane" since it's irrelevant to the post, but "call be he/him" is not irrelevant. How is that relevant?
By the way, I have a trans brother that I fully support and I've walked in pride parades, but this is just going too far.
My brother agrees.
Sam
Sam
07:16
@AndrasDeak Damn missed you :P On the plus i figured it out
Turns out NumPy is just fine and I was the problem. Who'd have thought!!
08:20
@Sam you do know that chat is async, right?
@AndrasDeak what has happened with SO "since 2014"? What was there before, but isn't there no longer? I see lots of people referring back to that specific year over the past few months of shitstorm
I like George's post (self-deleted right after posting) summing up what SE can (should?) do to regain trust from the community
Probably the Summer of Love
Not sure then, I came in 2015
April 2014 is when SO got its own meta. Enthusiastically used, a lot of dirty laundry got hung out to dry. Enough for lots of contributors to lose faith it seems. — Hans Passant Mar 31 '16 at 22:03
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Q: Why is Stack Overflow so negative of late?

RobinicksI've been using Stack Overflow for a few years, and initially most questions you asked got a positive reception: happy comments and answers, people that tried to help you out regardless of the way you worded it. Of late the tendency is to simply close or put on hold most questions, or downvote th...

Also from 2014. ;-)
08:33
@HansHirse just found that linked by Shog
@HansHirse Very interesting answer by Shog
> In other words, we appear to have hit an equilibrium. Stack Overflow, as it is currently designed, does not seem to be able to handle more than about 8 thousand questions per day on average. When that's exceeded, folks can't find questions they want to answer, questions don't get answered, folks stop asking, and this continues until answerers can find what they're after again.
Interesting; as I read it there should be a way to "compartimentalise" SO better, in order for people to filter down to questions they want to see. For this works reasonably, since there aren't (that) many questions on it. For large to huge tags (e.g. , ) I can imagine that it is difficult to go through the virtual deluge of questions trying to find ones you'd like to answer
It's becoming a place where people who should never have been employed as a programmer, and who can't even be bothered to read the documentation, post mind-numbingly awful questions asking the community to debug their code. BOOOOM! I like that! :D
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A: What Happened to Stack Overflow in 2014?

Jon EricsonShog suggests there is a natural equilibrium between askers and answerers. My gut reactions were: ~8k questions a day is pretty remarkable given the site's humble, even naive, beginnings. So much has been done to help the whole operation scale and yet sometimes the works get jammed up. Regular ...

I like the first chart in this; even good question (score >3) started to receive less answers after 2014, but before that they almost invariably all got an answer
08:49
Geez, both Q&As are pure gold, so many brilliant contributions! But I guess today's special snowflakes would get offended really fast by most of what is said there. :D
Hah, locked as historical Q/A
@StewieGriffin good to see ya! Yeah that is what most people think I believe. Most people agree that voluntarily misgendering someone already goes against the prior CoC and should never be tolerated. This is a weird spin on it as suddenly they add some werid unenforceable rules that create so much gray area to troll, and mostly, introduce them by firing a mod for asking questions about it
@AnderBiguri as Andras put it: ""Be fair to everyone" changed to "Beat them with the stick of kindness until they shut up.""
Reinstate the close reason "lack of minimal understanding". That was a thing?? Give it back! NOW!!
And give us 20 extra close votes just for that!
08:54
stackoverflow.blog/2019/10/16/… "As an example, our results indicate that people in Paris who code for work earn about 15% more than people in the rest of France." I'm not entirely surprised; life is more expensive (especially housing-wise) in Paris than in the rest of France (Or in any big city in a country wrt the rest)
09:16
@MichaelT, Andrew meant separating them into two different sites. "The 'toilet' which no one wants to go"? You'd be surprised when this 'toilet' get more views and users than the main site. And that's not a problem, A small site where "nub" questions are disallowed can perfectly co-exist with a big toilet site where they are allowed. The problem is Stackoverflow wants to be both, directly violating 'do one thing and do it well'. And that's a problem we can't fix, because management (jo *cough * el) has priority on SO becoming big and famous and all. — Pacerier May 6 '14 at 0:18
Hmmm, Toilet Overflow doesn't sound that appealing...
 
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10:38
the real problem with the toilet is that most content providers would stay far away
they have been plenty of suggestions for a toilet site, latest I know of is meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358240/…
11:32
@AndrasDeak haven't they tried this with mathematics? One for "professionals" and one for basically homework-dumps?
not sure if that's the official distinction, but yeah, there's math.SE vs mathoverflow
12:35
@Adriaan so yeah, mathoverflow is for "research-level mathematics", anything else goes to math.SE
13:27
Did that actually work?
It sounds like the distinction homework vs rest. Or is this more "pure mathematics research" vs whatever you may use it for, including tomography like Ander does, but also homework from high school up to theoretical physics masters?
it is pure mathematics research
very pure
so yeah, my type of maths (already semi-research level) go to math.se, not mathoverflow
Ah, ok. So that distinction doesn't easily translate to Stack Overflow
I dont think so. In SO it would be more like "im restructuring the linux kernel" type of expertise
Which is what we have CS.SE for (well, sort of)
And making a specific homework-dump SO of course wouldn't attract any people willing to answer
I won't
plus I think there is a huge value in teaching people what questions can they research by themselves
I was very upset when I started, I was donwvoted a lot!
but understood that there is a minimal effort I need to put
13:38
The image I linked above (with the no longer politically correct terminology) does sum up the problem quite nicely though. In MATLAB us caretakers do relatively well to keep the homework questions out, but in tags like where every 13 yo kid wants to make their own app, questions like "How ged dis effekt in ma app?!?" without research do quite well
just because FGITW 14yo kids who had the same problem last year post a link to their own blog where they coded the desired effect
@Adriaan also there's cs and cstheory.....
 
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14:51
How much power do you use when using the commandline vs using a function inside a running script in JIT terms?
I had a calculation which should run in ~1 hour in my estimation, and it was still not done (no idea where in the calculation it was) after 3 hours...
This seems like a big overhead for simply running it commandline wise, and not in a script
15:33
@Adriaan If you copy-paste code to the command line there is no JIT at all, AFAIK.
16:14
Dammit, we’re answering questions in the wrong tag:
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Q: Do I need to explicitly handle negative numbers or zero when summing squared digits?

user010517720I recently had a test in my class. One of the problems was the following: Given a number n, write a function in C/C++ that returns the sum of the digits of the number squared. (The following is important). The range of n is [ -(10^7), 10^7 ]. Example: If n = 123, your function should return 1...

Stupid simple question, with answers with 184 and 85 upvotes.
@CrisLuengo yea, that I realised. The >3x slowdown I hadn't anticipated though
JIT can mean a speedup of 100x in some cases, so 3x is not so strange to me.
Oh well, I learned that I should just run the script containing the function next time
16:37
I've done the same thing plenty of times. :)
It's deceptive, because we think of MATLAB as an interpreted language.
17:07
I just took a look at the old newsgroup. It seems overrun by spam. Are there any actual questions still posted there? Hard to tell! groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/comp.soft-sys.matlab
 
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21:54
I was always bothered that functions need their own files with the same name...
22:09
@StewieGriffin Totally agree
Oh, no...:
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Q: I am non-binary - recent events have made SE less safe for me (and other members of the LGBTQ community)

someoneI am a member of the network and posting anonymously for my safety. CW: References to and examples of hate speech I don't want to put blame anywhere, but unfortunately due to the huge turmoil created by the recent CoC changes, several right-wing websites have started reporting and thus directed...

@LuisMendo uff

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