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7:39 AM
@AndrasDeak you asked them to move the conference to 2018 to avoid me right?
 
They were reluctant at first
 
Sam
7:53 AM
Morning all
 
Hi!
 
Sam
wassup
 
are there only Europeans here? there isn't much activity during night
 
Sam
I think a lot of the regulars are mainly European.. not sure as a whole though
 
There's a few Americans/Canadians/Cris (who's Spanish/Dutch but lives in the US), and an Israeli
rest is European iirc
 
Sam
8:01 AM
Quite the assortment
 
cool
 
 
2 hours later…
10:17 AM
@flawr :D
@AndrasDeak check how much your bank charges you for conversion
My bank, regarthless if the money is free to withdraw,charges me 1.5£ or 3% of the money if withdrawn in a different currency
 
@AnderBiguri oh, that's dependent on your bank and whether you pay by card, or withdraw money from an ATM afaik
 
My bank charges that percentage for using their services in any different currency than GBP
 
Basically for a week I wouldn't bother withdrawing from an ATM in Switzerland, as you can pay by card almost everywhere, and even if that's slightly more expensive than getting a bunch of cash on your first day, you won't have left-overs
 
yeah, he shoudl check with his bank
 
@AnderBiguri Brits should change to euro. That'd be so much easier :D
 
10:24 AM
Good moment to suggest it :D
 
10:57 AM
@AnderBiguri withdrawing is out of the question
 
yeah yeah, but my bank still charges me for paymenst in another currency
 
your bank sucks :P
let me check mine
 
In Spain they charge you even more
banks sucks, in general
 
"domestic and foreing card payment: 0 Ft"
 
0Ft, that's, like, less than €0
 
11:04 AM
yeah, it's about 0.003*0 EUR
 
11:17 AM
Someone with Matlab pre-R2016b: does this work?
1.*[1 2 3; 4 5 6]
I'm not sure if that worked before implicit expansion was introduced (I think it did)
 
yes it did
 
it had to have worked
 
scalar by matrix always worked
 
But note the dot ^
 
yes, noted :P
 
11:18 AM
I can not test it now but all my TIGRE toolbox is full of that and was coded in 2014b
 
Ok, thanks!
 
bah, my old matlab expired
 
11:51 AM
I have a page of text, with a single line too much, so that's put on the next page. There's an image there; do I now put that single line of text (half a sentence) above or below the image?
Or should I trim words/write more to circumvent the problem?
 
I'd change the text , if its only a single line
but only if you have already finished writting and you are in the editing phase
 
12:08 PM
> Requested 619398x619398 (1429.2GB) array exceeds maximum array size preference
MATLAB, what do you mean preference
 
it prefers smaller arrays
 
Damn broadcasting :D
@flawr its just a suggestion, really
 
narrowcasting
 
hahahah
this waas just a A.*B where I forgot to permute the 1xN vector A
 
12:10 PM
@Adriaan That webpage does not give me options for more than 32Gb, unfortunately
 
@Adriaan downloading is so yesterday, today we stream the RAM
 
I spend a month on sacrificing speed to get RAM-optimised, and then someone suddenly told me to use the cluster. There I was, running my algorithm with a measly 8GB of RAM on a node with 192GB....
 
hehe
 
@AnderBiguri write a loop to run it 46 times ;)
 
@Adriaan so you had good code runnign ont he HPC, thats good
 
12:12 PM
I once had to do computational expensive stuff over a whole lot of data sets. I tried parallelizing the heck out of it (because we had a server with a ton of processors). In the end I discovered that it is way faster to just run multiple matlab instances:)
 
If I restructure my algorithm to incorporate some "available RAM" check or something, I might gain ~90% speed at the cost of RAM going from 8 to 40GB or so
 
Bath refused to allow MATLAB in their HPC "because people write crappy code and clog the HPC, instead of spending time on optimizing their code"
@flawr its still palatalization XD
 
Problem here is that I need a 'big' complex exponential matrix (800x500x1500), and that two times (forward and backwards), and calculate it each time I do my transform, which is four times per iteration; 10 iterations per shot, 361 shots. If I can precalculate and store the thing it'd be great
 
@Adriaan rewriting your code for flexible memory, the best way of writing good code, if you are happy to suffer
 
@AnderBiguri well, not really. I have my results, and basically finished coding. I can spend a day or two on it though when I wait for a revision of my draft. I might vectorise some loops in the LRT algorithm (I didn't write that myself), but I have to take utmost care not to destroy the forward/conjugate structure
 
12:16 PM
thsoe are dangerous waters nevertheless
 
Exactly why this is done as a bonus, because if I do not manage in a few days, it can go into the recommendations :p
 
1:16 PM
if you use git you can't really break existing code :P
 
hey! I do!
Both, use git and break existing code D:
 
@AndrasDeak I guess I'll start using git and Python when in Switzerland.
So many changes coming up in my life!
 
mornin mornin
 
@Adriaan they're both great. But even if you end up hating python you should embrace git :)
@flawr your money is both really weird and pretty
I'm disturbed by the fact that they have holes in them
@ballBreaker hey
 
How's everything going?
 
1:25 PM
fine, fine, though quite busy
what about you?
 
Pretty good, put the deposit down on my new car last night and also gave the guy my plates so he can register for me
well "new" car
it's a 2005 BMW 330xi
 
cool
 
yeah I'm pretty excited about it 😃
 
Other than that, super tired lol
Probably going to murder my body tonight as well
 
1:28 PM
and ascend to a higher plane of existence?
 
Basically yeah haha a few of my old friends from my big group are going to be in town tonight, and it's also a 10PM-5AM rave thingy goign on
 
sounds like a hoot
 
Hopefully!
Not sure how I'm going to get any work done today
between being excited about getting my car potentially in the next few days
to looking forward to tonight
 
hehe, just like any other busy workday I expect :P
be back later, gotta print a poster
 
1:43 PM
oki doki
 
2:07 PM
and done
it was surprisingly cheap
 
Its generally cheap no? My uni printing services charged like 10£
well, unless you are fancy and you do it in cloth
 
haha, no
10£ is a lot :P
 
oh nice :)
 
the last one I printed cost ~7 pounds, this one 2 pounds :D
 
@AndrasDeak for the UK is not :(
 
2:14 PM
I think the previous one had thicker paper, but this one only has to survive a few days
 
with a poster carrier it could as well be made of rice paper, it will survive the travel
 
Can't you just let it be printed on arrival, so you don't have to carry the thing on the plane/train?
 
You need to have a printing-embassy then (a place to print)
 
Isn't there like tons of those everywhere
 
@AnderBiguri yup
@Adriaan nope
Maybe I could but I always found that to be off-putting. Abuse of hospitality or something.
 
2:25 PM
abuse the ink of your hosts!
 
Or find what @AnderBiguri calls a "printing embassy", they are present in most big cities afaik. Either send them the thing over email, or bring it on a USB drive
 
I always found easier to print it myself
its not like you are carrying a tank or something
its manageable
 
yup
 
You need a second carry-on item for the plane though right? That seems more expensive than printing on location
 
@Adriaan nop
All companies let you carry the thing for free
 
2:32 PM
Oh, hadn't expected that
 
I've done it a lot of times with different companies, you don't even get questions
 
Not Ryanair I presume? :P
 
Protip: fill a tube with your clothes, get extra baggage!
I am quite sure Ryanair also
def Easyjet and some other cheapos
 
Well, there's 'cheap' and there's Ryanair :p
 
yeah, even budget flights allow a poster tube usually
 
3:02 PM
@AndrasDeak it would be if I had some =P
@AndrasDeak what is weird?
 
flarw is sustained by trading rare minerals and salt for food, mostly
2
 
Malachite is on the rise.
 
he sips the ambrosia that grows on the inside corners of the Mandelbrot set
2
how is that not weird? ^
 
Is it that shape
or is that just two sides
 
3:10 PM
and the cross at the top is a hole covered with transparent plastic
 
@AndrasDeak ohhhh you impressed me here
 
@ballBreaker two sides
 
Doesn't look that weird to me
 
@AnderBiguri I was going for disgust, but I can work with that ;)
 
My money is that new plastic shit too
 
3:11 PM
plastic and maple-flavoured, eh?
 
I haven't tasted it yet
 
haha the queeen :D
or is it?
 
yes it seems
AFAIK, the queen is still queen of all the ex-collonies
or at least some of them
> the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon.
a no wait, that is when she started
 
yeee da queen
She's still on all our moneyz
 
3:14 PM
how long is it gonna take until @AnderBiguri's face appears on a note?
 
yeah, is all the commonwealth
@ballBreaker shes your queen
@flawr the notes will have hair for my beard, they will be fluffy
 
@AndrasDeak Just for your info: There are two different series of notes floating around right now, we're in the middle of a transition
 
Do you has the plastics ones?
 
@AnderBiguri I can't wait to tickle your beard.
one of the cooler notes we've had featured euler:
and one of the newer ones features the right hand rule as well as the LHC
 
@flawr this is pretty cool
 
3:20 PM
That's neat
 
ah, CERN makes sense too
 
Science notes are the best notes
 
its the msot famous thing after cheese and toblerone
:D
 
Is it? I bet half of the swiss population doesn't know cern
 
I dont know in fact, I am a bit biassed
 
3:21 PM
or didn't know it before the news about the higgs
particle
 
pew pew statistics pew pew explosions= mass -> Nobel price
 
I don't even know why they'd spend so much money for such a little tiny thing.
 
they could just as well give me the money
 
because pew pew
 
3:23 PM
especially when its everywere
I have some higgs in my hand now
BUT NO NOBEL
 
nobel prizes are for beginners
 
I want a noble prize
for being so kingly
 
becoming a knight would be fun though
Sir BallBreaker sounds a lot better than His Majesty
 
hahaha
 
@flawr yeah, I noticed when googling. I hope the butterfly is the new one
 
3:26 PM
yup it is
I just wondered: Did any aristocrat ever us a gender neutral pronoun?
Their Majesty?
@AndrasDeak don't you like the old one?
 
lmao
your majesty is already gender neutral
It's actually my preferred gender neutral pronoun
 
@flawr I prefer the new one
 
@ballBreaker you cannot use that if you talk about the person, without adressing them
 
Ahh I see what you're saying
 
@ballBreaker the other they ballBreaker was doing stuff, you was doing some shopping when you heard that yours gender neutral choices where not practical
 
3:31 PM
I mean, ballbreaker is a gender neutral pronoun
 
its confusing :D You instead of he/his/him :D
 
I suspect most royalty don't consider what happens when they're not there ;)
 
@AnderBiguri *you're confusing
 
aparently you are not allowed to contradict them, WTF
@flawr lol
 
@AnderBiguri yesn't
 
3:33 PM
:D I did laugh at that meme
 
3:50 PM
GAH
I'm so bored.
My coworker wanted me to look into the work required to add a feature to one of the apps. Said it wouldn't be put into prod for weeks
I might just implement it lmao
(in dev)
 
need a distraction?
^ build a computer just from nand-gates
 
ooo neato
 
actually it is gate-golf :D
you'll always see if you used the minimal number of gates
(it doesn't minimize nand gates but the number of intermediate gates you have available)
 
I opened it and had to close it right away
it's almost too much thinking for a friday
 
try laservex.com then:)
 
4:15 PM
baha
gets blocked by my firewall
under category "game playing"
 
too bad =/
 
ya T_T
ah well I guess I'll just keep doin' work
 
 
1 hour later…
5:38 PM
My paper on Bernoulli factories finally got accepted (journal Stochastic Processes and their Applications) :-D
6
 
congratzi
 
Haha, thank...zi
 
Did thiszi have any applicationzi in your other workzi/researchzi?
 
Rather the other way around: it came about as a sort-of application of my work on estimation
The main result is proved via an estimation quality argument
(Cramér-Rao bound, if that makes sense to you)
 
nope, I don't really know stuff about statistics/stochastics/etc
 
5:43 PM
Do you dismiss that as non-maths? :-P Or you just haven't got there? What year (course) are you in, again?
 
yep, dirty applied stuff with actual uses is outside of my realm XD
well I've actually finished a while ago:)
 
Ah. Somehow I thought you were a student
 
That was indeed the case until a while ago:)
I did have to do some stuff since, and now I'm looking for a job/internship/phd sort of thing.
 
I see. Are you targetting any particular companies/unis?
 
6:32 PM
I'm trying to find something in the vicinity.
I'd like to do something where I could at least apply a little bit of what I've learned.
But it seems the interesting positions require a PhD
(or at least a degree in physics/engineering)
 
You wat to work money with maths? Hah!
 
yeah
well actually, I'd prefer not to work
 
hehe, don't we all
 
but I doubt anyone is going to throw money at me for not working
 
become a politician
2
 
6:44 PM
It certainly would be fun to end all my speechs with QED
on the other hand I hate wearing suit & tie
Is there a market for professional code-golf?
 
if you want to make money with math
get into machine learning
it's all the craze these days
all the kids are doin' it
machine learning is like the fortnite of the business world
 
yep, that is one thing I'm looking out for!
thanks for the suggestion anyways:)
(that is also why I recently bothered @sam and @Dev-iL with NN stuff questions:)
 
ahhhh nice
 
As I understand the people making money are users of machine learning, and they don't have to understand the math very well. You need a mathematician to develop new methods, which probably doesn't pay as well.
 
Yeah my one friend did a masters in it, and he's been making money working for banks and the such
He did a math undergrad, then specialized in machine learning
and writes python code to do shit
Uses machine learning techniques for compliance w/ banks ... whatever that means
 
6:59 PM
def squeeze_all_the_money_from_customers_with_ML():
    pass # FIXME
 
=D
He's pretty proud of what he's doing I think, I know absolutely zero details and he makes more money than I do
It was my last company
and they don't know shit all about anything though so I take it with a grain of salt
 
7:12 PM
definitely not bitter about my last company
 
 
3 hours later…
9:48 PM
@AnderBiguri Did you make a trivial edit to my answer as revenge for my trivial edit to yours? :)I like the symmetry, with both our avatars on both answers...
 
 
1 hour later…
10:49 PM
@CrisLuengo hahah a I didn't even realized you edited mine, I opened your link on a desktop and I hate mobile wikipedia on PC so I changed it
 

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