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12:00 AM
But I'm admittedly more familiar with the paper-and-pen part of the problem:)
Well, good night gentlemen
see you later
 
Good night @AndrasDeak!
 
12:15 AM
@quintopia You are more than welcome to participate in the MATL "sandboxing" if you feel like it. Just post your "answers" here like I'm doing
 
12:34 AM
Okay. Depends on how well it works in MATLAB 2013
 
 
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3:03 AM
@AnderBiguri Congrats!
@AndrasDeak This is obviously a troll. I'm almost sure this is not real..
 
 
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9:39 AM
:D
 
10:16 AM
Hi all
 
10:46 AM
@quintopia It should work, except for some very specifc functions. Andras has run it in an older version and it works. But I had to do some small changes in the compiler (for example, avoid the strjoin function, which is rather new). If you get some error caused by the Matlab version let me know and maybe it can be fixed
 
 
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12:06 PM
@LuisMendo how about MATLAB R11? :p
 
@excaza No idea... what don't you try? :-)
I have a challenge for anyone interested: write a MATL program takes as input a list of two or more numbers (separates by spaces, commas, you choose) and computes the LCM of all those numbers
I'm currently at 17 bytes
@excaza Anyway, R11 is from 1999... That might be stretching too much :-)
 
Yeah, there was a question yesterday from someone using R11
 
12:25 PM
Researcher stackoverflowers: do you know about ORCID?
its cool if you have a common name
gives each researcher (as a person) an ID, a "DOI" kind of thing
 
not a researcher but I've heard of it, it's a great idea
 
Yeah I think so. I mean I dont think I have a name-doppleganger somewhere in the world
but lots of people has
 
@AnderBiguri I read about that. I may even have one already, not sure :-P
 
I am making one just in case!
 
What's the advantage of having one?
 
12:35 PM
basically it stores all your research grands proposals/publications/...
basically any research activity, under an ID, but not a name afiliated with an isntitution etc
 
Turns out I have one. I didn't remember!
I see. But does it gather the information automatically? OR do you have to input it?
It looks like my ORCID profile is empty
I guess you have to manually introduce the information
 
@LuisMendo I think so , not sure
Google scholar usses ORCID to track users
 
But Google Scholar does gather information automatically... Google style :-)
 
@excaza lol
@LuisMendo haha ofc. but I have found much chinese/spanish authors
that are together in schollar but are not the same person
in theory, if you have ORCID and you put data, you'll never need to proove that whatever aper is yours or whatever grand proposal
I guess its more important to joung researchers rather than professors , maybe?
 
12:46 PM
I've never had to "prove" that a paper was actually mine. It's usually obvious. And anyway, ORCID is not a proof either. You could lie also there
I see it more as a repository to help distinguish you from people with same/similar name
But for informative purposes, no guarantees
 
I see Isee. They just sold me the thing as it was amazing in the uni
 
Well, maybe it is :-) I'm only saying it's not valid as a proof, because it's you who enters the info there
 
Yeah I see. Still, If you get caught faking the information, probably you are done in academia
 
@AndrasDeak I was wrong yesteday, I didn't even think to pass comma separated values to getfield stackoverflow.com/a/34085944/2748311
 
Exactly. I don't think anyone even considers that
 
12:50 PM
@AnderBiguri I'm registered on ORCID, especially since my name is not at all unique
 
@LuisMendo What do you thing abotu Open Access? and about predatory open access?
 
For journal papers, there is a way for ORCID to find them automatically. I'm doing it right now. It offers various automatic searches
 
Granted, it's still just looping through but it's nice that it's already written for me
 
@AnderBiguri Do you mean journals charging you for making your paper free?
 
I was surprised recently by finding a couple of papers from Deusto University (in Bilbao) in predatory journals
 
12:51 PM
Thank Adriaan but i want slices to be stored in different variables, like out1, out2... till out16... I hope u now understnad what's my question. — Shubham 20 hours ago
BOOOOOO (@*#($)@*#
 
@LuisMendo yup. And the ones that charges you but are actually a scam to get your money
I mean not all, but there are quite a lot
(im all in for open access, just asking to someone withmore research experience than me)
 
@LuisMendo I agree completely
@excaza cool! Good to know. I guess;)
 
How do you make ORCID find your stuff?
 
@AnderBiguri I haven't updated in a while, and at the beginning I...imported from scopus or something
or google
noo, researcherID
 
I have no idea what any of those are XD
 
12:56 PM
scopus is the system by Thomson Reuters I think? keeping track of citations
but it was researcherID, another identifying thingy
 
I dont think I have my paper anywhere but in schollar
Google scholla rImean
 
we had to register to reasearcherID in the institute, so it was convenient to transfer that info to orcid, if I remember correctly
 
I got my first downvote :O
 
ah I did by downloading a bib file from schollar
@excaza YOU DESERVE MORE
 
@AnderBiguri I just checked: researcherID doesn't know about our PRL from this year, and ORCID even knows less
so it definitely seems manual
@excaza were you being exceptionally rude?
 
12:58 PM
yup it looks like
 
did the culprit leave a comment?
 
@AndrasDeak No and no
 
@excaza LEMME AT'EM!!!
 
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excazaAs I said above, this does appear to be a bug. One possible workaround is to modify the XData and YData properties of your line objects: For example: N = 20; Analysis(:,1) = linspace(1,N,N); Analysis(:,2:5) = randi([1, 20],20,4); subplot(2,2,[1,2]); title('Particle counts at step number'); hol...

 
"website is offline" at SO
disturbance in the force, there is
 
1:00 PM
Maybe it was the guy I called lazy
 
@AnderBiguri I don't have a strong opinion about that. I never pay those open access charges, because they are thousands of euros. Some journals, like Bernoulli (statistics/probability) don't charge you, and automatically publish an open-access copy in Arxiv or Project Euclid
 
@LuisMendo wow thats cool actually. but yeah, i ve seen open access charges up to 15k£
some expensive shit
 
@AnderBiguri Works -> Add works -> Search for links. Crossref has worked for me, it found most of them
@AnderBiguri That's crazy
 
The thing is, at least here in the UK, that any work funded by any goverment funded research (and there is a lot) now needs to be open access
they pay for it
also EU funded projects
I mean, money aside, its a great idea
 
Sounds good. But who pays?
 
1:03 PM
you publish your research to anyone that wants to read it, not only to the ones that have the money for it
I thin kthey are triying to have the fees reduced (because 1K£ is ridiculus alread)
and in here the research councills and goverment agencys pay for it
I think lots of no-open access journals let you pay a "small" fee to make the paper public
somethink on the order of 400£
 
@AnderBiguri I usually have to pay 30-50 quid for reading an article when Im not at university.
I think that entails buying the full year's worth of journal it's published in
 
@Adriaan Do you actually pay it...?
 
@Adriaan The idea of open access is that noone would need to pay ever for reading an article
 
@Dev-iL of course not, I read at uni :P
@AnderBiguri yea, much better imho
 
or VPN!
thats like, the whole point of research, isnt it?
Do science->tell the world about it
 
1:08 PM
Or you ask people in the matlab chatroom to download it for you ;)
 
hahaha
 
there was an interesting essay about that in our biggest Newspaper, where some nanobiology lady argued that either the reader pays for the article, or the publisher pays for the article, but since articles are 99% of the time read within the same group of researchers it doesn't matter a fig's worth who pays
 
I still don't know how come journals don't pay authors for their papers
 
@Dev-iL thats the thing. They earn shitloads of money publishing papers from people they dont pay, reviewed by people they dont pay
I think Elsevier call sit "branding". its literally like payin 50£ extra for something equal just because it says Lacoste on it (no ofense to anyone that does it, but this should not happen in science)
 
Hi all
 
1:15 PM
Should I tell him how to use rows in a matrix, or should I leave my answer as is? (Basically he wants dynamic variables, where he can use a simple matrix):
Thank Adriaan but i want slices to be stored in different variables, like out1, out2... till out16... I hope u now understnad what's my question. — Shubham 20 hours ago
 
@Adriaan 'I want slices' said one. 'you do not want' answered @Adriaan.
 
@Mikhail_Sam you'll get used to this. I hate, loath, and opposed dynamic variable nameing wherever and whenever I can
 
@Adriaan I just about funny manner of talking: You didn't say 'you have to avoid'. You said 'you do not want' :)
 
1:41 PM
@Adriaan dynamic=var('iables')
I don't know..., works fine in my MATLAB. Gives 46.4
 
@AnderBiguri :D
at times I hate myself. I live 100m from university, so whenever I want to print stuff, I sent myself an email, walk across the road and print. Only today to find out that I had not pressed "sent" thus will gain my exercise today in walking to and forth
 
"academic sports"
 
So I'm running again, see you in a bit :P
 
1:55 PM
I don't even know how to install R11
@rayryeng did you try to use it at all yesterday?
 
Mornin
 
hmm, I don't have a passcode tab :(
 
2:16 PM
@Ballbreaker Evening :D I'm already 5p.m.
 
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@Mikhail_Sam :D Good evening
Let's switch places
So I can go home, and you can work for 8.5 hours
:D
 
@Ballbreaker you have to work one more hour still :D but anyway I don't like your idea! :)
 
Hey @AnderBiguri : My code is now faaaaaaaast :D
 
@Ballbreaker bad news to wake up to: Scott Weiland passed away tonight
 
2:30 PM
AAAA guys! Thanks someone who starred my picture! I got my Talkative badge :)
 
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Q: Matlab Principal Component Analysis?

ALaoui nailquestion I have a macro cellular diameter 10 kilometer within each group one-meter diameter 10 km cellular in 10 km Celular group has within it all in one diameter of 100 meters in cellular How many cellular in Schiller macro-cellular

cv please
 
@Adriaan MY MOM JUST TOLD ME!!
Bwaaaahhhh
 
@Ballbreaker Wheeeeeh :'(
 
To be completely honest though, he more or less fell out in the last 5 years, but still upsetting
 
2:39 PM
@Ballbreaker you got a cool mom.
 
STP was the shit
 
@Ballbreaker still is, still is.
 
Yeah for sure
 
Speaking of research papers...
@Adriaan :-D
 
Saw 'em live in 2010. No-one at the festival cared though, so there we like less than 100 people at their show. I guess because Sepultura played at the same time and Graspop is quite metal. I don't like Seplutura, so went to STP at main stage, even though I didn't know them. Brilliant show!
@LuisMendo laughing at me, or with me? :D
 
2:41 PM
@Adriaan Hmm... you decide!
 
Ahh yeah I forgot they did a tour back in 2010, I've been into them since like 1998 (my mom and dad got me into them early)
A good 75% of my music tastes come from my Dad ( I would say maybe 5%-10% from my mom)
 
@LuisMendo I ain't laughing :P
 
@BillBokeey what did you do?
 
Just Optimized everything outside linear systems solving, but still improved calculation time by 54%! :D
But now I must get these systems to solve faster
 
2:58 PM
how accurate do you want to be XD
A\b in MATLAB is really very fast
You can select the exact algorithm that does the job for you and use it, bu the speedup wont be much faster. It could even be slower, because A\b is really optimized inside MATLAB
as matrix multiplication
 
Well, the only lead I have is that i'm iterating to get another calculation done, for which I need the solution to this linear system. Good point is that the solution should only move by a bit between two iterations, so I was wondering if I could be precise enough while gaining time as I would take the previous solution as initial conditions
Yeah I saw already that it was fast @AnderBiguri . Prob. is i'm solving a 1500x1500+ system 1600+ times ^^
 
@BillBokeey I do solve a 10^9x10^9 system about 200 times, I know what you mean
you can just skip the A\b and code some kind of gradient descend method
but again, not sure about speedups
maybe yes
 
Would it help if some of the equations in the system would not change bewteen iterations?
 
mmm the A matrix you mean? from Ax=B?
 
I gotta check, but Maybe whole lines of A and the corresponding term in B
 
3:07 PM
Still. If a single value in b changes, the x may be completely different
 
Hmm seems like it's going to be hard :/
Wait
Suppose we know the solution of Ax=B
And that the next system can be written (A+A')x=b+b' with A' and b' containing a lot of zeros as the matrices don't change that much
Then we just have to solve A'x=b' and, if A' is sparse it's way faster isn't it?
Wait
Forget it
I'm stupid
 
@BillBokeey Yes.
No idea what you're talking about though :D
 
One option is to use minimization algorithms.
 
I usually feel the same way in this room, with all those doctorae philosophae floating around
 
3:15 PM
iterate through x=x+alpha*A'(b-Ax)
the first time will take some time to get to X, but if Anew changes little
 
Looks like gradient descent doens't it?
 
yes it is
but if your A and B change little, then if you initialize in the previous step, you may get really good results ina coupel of iterations
 
Oh nice
I'll try it!
 
actually, you can go further and use CGLS or something like that
not much mroe complicated to use
code*
 
C____ G____ Least Squares?
 
3:17 PM
Conjugate Gradient
Iterates trhough krylov subspaces -> needs less iterations to get to solution
 
I'll look into it aswell
Even though "krylov subspaces" is pretty scary ^^
 
@BillBokeey sounds like a Gulak-department
 
yeah dont go to the maths
basically what it does is creates an eigenvector projection of the error
and goes "deleting" each eigenvector every iteration , starting from the biggest one
 
@Adriaan :D
 
And in general, in big scale problems, eigenvectors of the residual >1%of the size are just random noise, very small
 
3:22 PM
I'm off for the weekend. Hejdå
 
thus you make sure you delete the bigeest amount of error in one go
have fun
 
Well, I'll definitely try it!
 
dotted line=CG
 
Thanks
I'm off for the weekend aswell, have a nice day!
 
4:23 PM
Bye @AnderBiguri @BillBokeey
@BillBokeey conjugate gradient descent is your friend
it should give you an answer in n steps in at most n dimensions, if I remember correctly
@Adriaan and it's Gulag:P "lag" as in lager
and no, not because of the beer
 
 
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5:39 PM
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@rayryeng trying to steal rep from new users? :P
 
@Dev-iL I was just enjoying the edit-fest going on... like 20 edits in 5 seconds :))
 
That was nice
All initially posted within 10 seconds of each other
 
@mikkola 7, to be exact ;)
 
! :)
 
lhcgeneva's isn't vectorized, though
 
5:41 PM
But yeah, one thing you learn in SO when answering easy questions - you should first post some crap then finish your answer in the remaining 5 minutes
 
Yep
 
@Dev-iL Fastest gun wins
 
.... and to counteract other users doing that, you gotta comment on their answer
then even if they edit it within 5 seconds of posting it would still count as an edit :D
 
Oh I didn't even notice that edits aren't counted if there are no comments
 
@mikkola they aren't for 5 minutes
and I see everybody is going for the sportsmanship badge :P
 
5:45 PM
LOL
 
@rayryeng c'mon, don't you want to be disciplined?
OMG he really did steal the rep... answered last with the same answer, got the same amount of upvotes and an accept :O
 
@Dev-iL It's the link that did it ;)
that and the assumed authority of a hi-rep user
 
I even had the same link! Hm. Might as well go for that badge myself then... ;)
 
6:00 PM
@mikkola did you? sorry, i gave up watching... moved on to code golf ;)
 
6:30 PM
@David Hi!!! I see that this satisfies the pde... But how do we get it? What method do we use?
 
6:50 PM
@Dev-iL Шаббат шалом ;)
@Dev-iL that's what @Adriaan calls a 50k rep fart
That's authoritarianism right there
 
@Dev-iL NO :P I didn't know they were going to answer.
@Dev-iL :P I was the first one to answer!
 
Yeeeeeah buddy, sounds real legit
move along:P
 
:D
One more mortarboard for me... but I'm mikkola shouldn't have deleted his answer. I was actually about to delete mine.
then I saw how far away I was from 200... and I said... nah.
 
Oh, it's completely right if you have a rationalization for it.
</sarcasm>
:D
 
:D
btw, good job on bsxfun.
 
7:02 PM
thx
alas, it was trivial
 
that's how you get the most votes lol
 
No, this is the worst
it's trivial so there's no justification, but it's bsxfun so avarage joes won't understand and thus won't upvote
 
yup
 
sucks to be cool
:P
 
Those questions that require more effort get less votes.
usually, the image processing questions I answer get no votes, or 1-2 votes.
 
7:03 PM
@AndrasDeak Does it ever..
 
@rayryeng unless pictures
 
not
 
it's such a specialized field.
@Ballbreaker so what's this I hear about you going on a date with Dom?
 
It's probably the same 5 Matlab nerds upvoting every bsxfun answer each time
 
what the hell happened to I need space? LOL
@mikkola :D Divakar.
 
7:04 PM
@mikkola lol, exactly:D
 
@AndrasDeak make sure you edit the question too.
 
@rayryeng , @Ballbreaker was like "Dom, there can't be anything between us. Neither clothes, nor air."
 
that's one more towards the refiner badge.
 
@rayryeng lol thanks, good idea:D
Although I'm not that into badges
 
@AndrasDeak :D... as soon as someone votes on my answer, I go and edit the question.
 
7:05 PM
but it does bug me
 
oh :D ok
yeah the formatting can use some work
@AndrasDeak If that isn't a proposal, I don't know what is.
 
@rayryeng I added the vectorization tag too
 
that's a good idea.
 
Divakar likes to do that, I'll spare him the trouble:)
 
I forget to tag those questions.
I'm sure I would have gotten more votes towards vectorization by now
 
7:07 PM
@AndrasDeak lmfao
 
@rayryeng I'm sure you can go on a retag spree later, when the time is right:P
I seem to recall some similar events taking place before your gold badgering:P
 
@rayryeng We went out for Sushi last night, I think she has too much self-respect to agree that it was a date though
 
lmao
so um... tell me how that came about. Who asked who?
 
I paid for it, and she's like I need to pay you back... I'm like man you took us out and paid for a 180$ date
 
@AndrasDeak shh :P
 
7:10 PM
and she's like yeah...but that's different.. (indicating it was a date, and last night wasnt)
She was supposed to come over tonight, and I'm like "yeah us drinking at my apartment = me making a move on you, so just warning you" to which she replied "Yeah trying and accomplishing are two different things" lol
 
hahahah
 
I know she still has feelings for me, but won't allow herself to go there hahahah
 
yeah you're not making it any easy for her
 
The reason it might not happen is because she's sick
and no I'm not, haha. I never make things easy though
 
yes... "sick"
 
7:11 PM
@Ballbreaker hopefully she's still up for pity-sex
too much self-respect gives extra points for that;D
 
@AndrasDeak LOL
@rayryeng Hahah yeah.. who knows. She probably is, because it was her idea for tonight, not mine
 
She's sick of you and your innuendos. Understandable:D
 
Lmao I did a pretty hilarious one last night too though
She walked into it super hard
Like jumping in front of a train - hard.
 
@Ballbreaker that's another one, isn't it?:D
 
Yup lmao
Me: "Oh this sushi is going to be awesome.. I'm going to eat so much"
her: "I ate so much last night! HAH!"
me: "Weren't you hanging out with your cousin last night?"
 
7:17 PM
SMH lol
 
lmao
 
oh shit son lol
 
yeah, her cousins a girl
I've also made jokes about asking if she's hot
I'm pretty sure she's like 15
lool
 
Rocking the cradle there bro
 
I don't know about you, but I think I outgrew my cradle well before 15 hahaha
:D
haha I was obviously kidding, I'm not interested in a 15 year old, that's gnarly
 
7:24 PM
lmao
I know I know
 
I figured I didn't have to explain that to you guys.. just incase some rando came in at this precise moment lol
 
@Ballbreaker well yeah, we don't believe you anyway.
cradle robber
OK, I know you Americans take carnal abuse very seriously
here, kids are legal at 14
 
really??
 
7:40 PM
@AndrasDeak It was like that in Canada until a few years ago
now it's 16
But there's a 2-year rule.. like if you're 14 you're allowed to be with a 16 year old
 
was it 2? I couldn't remember
 
I only remember because it was changed when it still affected me
 
ahhh
what was it before?
 
ahhh right
This guy is a total n00b
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Q: How can I increase the precision of variables after decimal?

Ender A. RencüzoğullarıThere are two variables X(1) and Y(1) with four precision after decimal (default). Assume; there is r = 55; XY = [X(1) Y(1)] = [5.0543 54.7673]; And there is an equation; c = hypot(XY(1) ,XY(2)); the result of c actually is 55.00002816 but program takes c=55.0000 . I need to increase the ...

 
8:05 PM
@rayryeng suggest something based on eval
:D
 
:D lol
 
I'm reading parts of the Unabomber's manifesto
Guy was actually quite intelligent
 
@Ballbreaker you're into saucy stuff about bitches. So here's this: I'm submitting a claim to my insurance company about my dog's vaginitis:D Turns out we've spent 110k HUF (~510 CAD) on her hoo-ha since February. Damn! We call her "our precious":D
 
Jesus hahahahaha
 
@AndrasDeak :S?
 
8:13 PM
@AndrasDeak LOL! TMI ;)
 
Glad I came to mind when you decided to release that information to the public
Your dog's vaginitis lmao
 
I was wondering why you were so screwed up
this explains everything
 
@Ballbreaker who else?:D
 
@rayryeng :D
She's fine by the way
 
8:17 PM
well that's good to hear about your dog's vaginitis.
 
@AndrasDeak I bet that makes you happy in more than one way..
 
I think I've just been told to fuck off :)
thanks guys :) good night — Ender A. Rencüzoğulları 1 min ago
 
@beaker I have no idea what the f*** he's trying to ask
there are four of us in that thread trying to ascertain what he wishes to compute
and he still isn't making himself clear.
 
and just when i was being so charming :)
 
lololol
not excaza charming. not yet
 
8:22 PM
i think he might have a legitimate precision problem, he just doesn't know how to frame it
@rayryeng it takes years of hard study to achieve that sort of charm ;)
 
Project MKUltra—sometimes referred to as the CIA's mind control program—was the code name given to an illegal program of experiments on human subjects, designed and undertaken by the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Experiments on humans were intended to identify and develop drugs and procedures to be used in interrogations and torture, in order to weaken the individual to force confessions through mind control. Organized through the Scientific Intelligence Division of the CIA, the project coordinated with the Special Operations Division of the U.S. Army's Chemical Corps. The program...
Jesus christ
 
oh yeah. I've heard of that program
IIRC, the Unabomber was part of that program
my guess is that's why you stumbled upon that article
 
8:44 PM
It is
It was rumoured that he was in the program
I've heard about the LSD trials of it, but didn't know it was as comprehensive as it was..
I think the movie "A scanner darkly" was loosely based, or had parts of it influenced by that program
Oh, it looks like that rumour was 'confirmed'
 

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