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13:38
Thanks for the invitation, @Agawa001, but I don't know MATLAB or Octave.
@PM2Ring its about python, people of other room are offensive
i have trouble setting up library
But this is not a room about Python...
well, i cant open a new conversation! may be due to lack of reputation!
so its not permitted to discuss offtopic subjects here
yes, that's due to the lack of reputation.
It's not so much as "not permitted" but it is an unwritten rule that this is rather untopic MATLAB related chats only
well, sorry@PM2Ring
13:42
@PM2Ring can open a new conversation with you however, since he has enough reputation
I'd say that's the best course of action
and sorry @Adriaan for not knowing that
@Agawa001 no problem, we're all learning on SO. It's just a matter of civility to keep things organised
@Agawa001 Sorry about what just happened in the Python room. We're all a bit burned out from the recent flood of bad questions from newbies who don't do the appropriate research before asking. I'm not saying you're a newbie, but if you'd mentioned that that library was a standard Python module you probably would've gotten a better reception.
Anyway, I'll leave you guys to do your Matlab & Octave stuff. Bye.
i ll have it done by my own, as i used to always do
@Adriaan just a mistake and wont be repeated
@Agawa001 no worries! If you ever happen to go learn MATLAB or Octave you're always welcome here! Good luck with your library
13:49
@PM2Ring thank you for coming here, you are still welcom to ask 'newbie questions' in this room
@Agawa001 you need only 1 more rep to open chatrooms. Sorry for the late comment, didn't think of checking the privileges earlier.
oh just one, :D maybe the downvote
@Adriaan i think i got a grip on that, thank you anyway for your generosity, those little green notifications are barely vesiting my profile
:D
14:25
maybe some people might want to commit in this
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Image Processing and Computer Vision

Proposed Q&A site for scholars, researchers and professionals in image processing and computer vision, machine vision, and image analysis; potentially working in related disciplines including machine learning, optimization, neuroscience, robotics, signal/image processing.

Currently in definition.

14:53
@Agawa001 - I've tried. Not enough interest.
@Agawa001 - People post questions either on StackOverflow or Signal Processing SE.
@LuisMendo - Ah yes. I thought I added that in. I've changed the equation. Thanks :)
@rayryeng oh, i doubt about it before, being worthless and needless, hello btw
@Agawa001 - Oh it's certainly not worthless or needless. In fact, a few of them who proposed the idea approached me and asked if I'd be moderator if the website became a reality. I said yes.
I said if the website goes out of proposal, then yes I would. That was 6 months ago. lol
@rayryeng lol, not enough motivations ?
@Agawa001 - Yeah. The general consensus is that people just ask questions on DSP SE or StackOverflow.
My activity in the image processing tag is probably one of the motivating factors as to why there isn't a website up lol
The questions are being answered by me on SO. Why make another website?
I'm currently trying to get the gold badge btw. I'm about 150 upvotes short of it lol.
There's only one other person who has the gold. I'd like to have one more in the mix.
@rayryeng stackover must remain for general issues
14:59
@Agawa001 - Not necessarily. It's about programming problems.
Image processing is definitely a programming problem, even though very specific.
@rayryeng lol, i ll take my part upvoting
On that token, there are other topics that are specialized too that other people can only answer....a nd yet.
@Agawa001 - I already did 4 months ago.
It's all on them lol. I did all that I can.
There's only so much I can do by spreading the proposal around. What's left now is for people to take interest in the proposal.
I was also part of the original Computer Vision proposal which is now closed.
posted on September 16, 2015 by Loren Shure

The R2015b release contains some new features for individual axis customization. Ben Hinkle, who works with the graphics team sometimes, goes through a number of plotting scenarios where these features can help simplify your code. This post shows some nicer techniques for making these pretty plots using R2015b vs. those in Loren's recent post using early versions of MATLAB.... read more >>

@rayryeng just 4 questions ?????? they must give you the benefactor badge
4 questions? Oh me asking 4 questions?
yeah I don't ask many :) I only ask if I'm really stuck.
I like to answer :D
@AnderBiguri - you here?
Ah yeah :) I don't ask many.
i like the 25 votes one
@Agawa001 - oh thanks :) That was a problem that I was stuck on for a while. It was a problem I had to solve for work.
It was part of the camera's calibration pipeline... the one I help develop.
i cant help much, its too over my head thu :D
15:06
oh :) that's ok.
i didnt think a phd can get stuck too hahaha
One generous man from the UK helped me solve my problem.
The final solution was in Python, which is why I asked in both tags.
@Agawa001 - oh they can :) That's what it's all about. What they do is research.
One of my mentors told me something I'll never forget.
Research wouldn't be called research if you knew what you were doing... everyone can get stuck... even a PhD.
A lot of what I do... is to basically try it and see what happens.
If it makes sense to me, try it
Most of what I do is based on intuition and feeling... if and when it finally works... then I have to figure out why it works lol.... then I write papers about it.
yes , try that and get miles safer from what would happen lol
ahhh for me it's safe to do that... software :P
I hope it won't blow up my computer when I run it though!
hmm, even softwares can implant your ram or cash memory
i had a gigantic tutored project in datamining, i know what im saying
it can be really costing
memory worms works with same standard, it saturates your ram
15:10
stackoverflow.com/questions/32612283/… I think there's a couple of duplicates around, I might even have answered a couple
cache memory*
i succeeded clearing bugs from my image-denoising code dispensing on google for the first time in my life :D
@rayryeng look, thats still on the "define" stage :S
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MATLAB

Proposed Q&A site for MATLAB students, developers, and researchers who are engaged in numerical computation, visualization, programming, data analysis, algorithm development, model creation and applications using MATLAB.

Currently in definition.

we all know about that one obviously
@Agawa001 - There was a recent proposal for that website a while ago... it got closed. Looks like it resurfaced again.
ofcourse something like this must revive, how is mathematica any better ?
I just want to say one word:
FRAGMENTATION!
15:21
hahaha yup
I initially agreed with the MATLAB proposal... but it would surely fragment the website. Besides which, most mathematica users are on Mathematica.
You don't see them on StackOverflow. In that case, the separate website makes sense.
I like answering questions here because I don't just answer in MATLAB. I answer in a variety of other topics too. Having one website that consolidates all of the types of questions I can answer makes it easier for me.
Having to check more than one website can get a but unwieldy.
Yes:
CONSOLIDATE
is the key word here
If we had a separate MATLAB website... then where would you ask? The MATLAB site or SO? Would the questions from MATLAB on SO be migrated over to the new MATLAB SE?
I think it'll just get too messy... and that's probably the feeling most people get and that's why it's still in the definition stage.
I initially agreed with the proposal, but once I saw the previous one declined, I stopped supporting it.
@rayryeng its already messy
look, between codereview/so
@rayryeng So how's that bounty you talked about yesterday coming along...? :-P Just kidding!!
@LuisMendo - I forgot :) will later today.
15:25
you would get confused
@Agawa001 - I don't participate on Code Review so I have no idea.
but I rarely see Code Review questions in MATLAB here... so I'm not affected I think.
@rayryeng Hahaha. If you are still doing it, I know which answer of yours I will reward with a bounty back
what is this, bounty for bounty? lol
what's the point? :D
@rayryeng code review is for sound codes , that need to be ameliroated, not fixed
Yeah. Kind of useless, I know :-)
15:27
@Agawa001 - yup lol.
it's mainly for people who already know what they're doing.
One of my questions to compute the outer product of each slice in a 3D matrix should have been in Code Review.
that's when I didn't know about permute and bsxfun. I know about them now.
@LuisMendo - Hehe :) I've read your email actually.
I still don't know why using the traditional definition of the "derivative" worked in the previous case. I don't think it should have.
You think it has something to do with the periodic extension of the 2D signal... how the borders are all constant?
@LuisMendo - Actually, never mind
I think you're right. Because the Gaussian is inherently a low-pass signal, when venturing towards the higher frequency values, the shift-term version and the traditional derivative version end up being approximately the same.
@rayryeng But I really think I don't deserve a bounty for that. And your answer on disp with linked openvar was amazing
@rayryeng Don't you agree with my 2nd email, or didn't I explain myself?
@LuisMendo - OH :) well you did figure out a fundamental flaw in my logic. That really helped.
Yes I 100% agree. I just didn't understand it at first.
But you just wrote "I still don't know why..." So do you agree or not?
My view is:
Yes... then I said... Never mind :)
5 mins ago, by rayryeng
@LuisMendo - Actually, never mind
The Gaussian doesn't have high freqs. So it doesn't matter that the 1-exp(x) and x differ for large x
15:38
The disp and openvar answer? lol. I don't think that's really bounty worthy. I just put two separate searches together in an answer.
It's like a filter which is wrong at a certain freq band. But in that band there are no signal components, so it gives zero anyway
@rayryeng But the result was great!
@LuisMendo - Yes that totally makes sense.
@LuisMendo - Cheers :D
In fact I've always wanted to know how to do that too.
I meant "exp(x)-1 and x differ", of course. I hope I'm not introducing confusion :-)
no absolutely not :)
How do you "cite" chat comments? Just the link?
15:41
yes.
An arrow appears just to the left of each message.
There's a link called "permalink" that gives you a permanent link to the message
When you paste the link in the chat window, it renders as a quotation just like above.
Hmm. Nice. Let's try a recursive test
44 secs ago, by Luis Mendo
How do you "cite" chat comments? Just the link?
20 secs ago, by Luis Mendo
Hmm. Nice. Let's try a recursive test
Thanks!
:D!
No problem!
its automatic beheavior from server
15:44
@Agawa001 - Yes.
I find it slightly annoying how people confuses DFT (the transform) and FFT (the algorithm for DFT). In the end it doesn't matter much, but what a conceptl confusion. @rayryeng
@LuisMendo - Yup.
In fact many people just interchange them lol
I make it a habit to always correct people... in fact, some people think they're totally different.
The way to APPROACH the problem is different... but the ANSWER IS THE SAME lol.
One person at work thought the DFT and FFT were completely different things.
@rayryeng Hahaha. Well, that's not good concept either!
Matlab doesn't help. Should the function be named after what it does, or after how it does it?
I mean, sortis not called quicksort
So is ffta good name? Or should it be dft?
hehehehe :)
That's true. Some purists may agree with explicitly calling something by the algorithm.
for novice users it may be distracting from the truth
But then it should be done consistently
15:49
Yeah no kidding!
across other functions, I mean
Yes I agree.
quicksort
And what about matrix inversion?
LOL
It packs many algorithms, I think
It chooses depending on input
There's a chart somewhere, you probably saw it
oh god lol
as is arrayfun is so much fun...
15:50
lu_inverse, qr_inverse, etc.
I'd rather say bsxfun is so much fun. arrayfun is a loop in disguise
Nay loops! Yay bsxfun!
more or less quoting Divakar :-)
hahahs yes!
@LuisMendo - Next time I update the room topic, that quote is going up
Good idea! It's a great topic
And next one: Matlab's ' is not transpose; .' is
Let's educate people! :-)
OH!
I need to really compile a list of quotes. You all come up with great things
Also chappjc: "Never use length.... ever".
Yes. That one is worthy for being a room topic too
15:56
@rayryeng I like length :( especially since numel() requires me to specify directions, even if Im sure my array is Mx3 with M~1e6
I can't say I have a "famous" one :)... you it's the transpose.... Divakar it's bsxfun.
@Adriaan - length has bitten me in the ass before.
lol :(
@Dev-iL Wasnt really. Anything you wanted?
I wanted to call upon your CUDA knowledge, but I think I have it under control (for now). Thanks
@Dev-iL - Happy Rosh Hashanah!
I am a few days late, but better late than never.
Hehe toda
15:57
haha ok! Well, whatever you need I can pretend I know and give you random advice!
@rayryeng And the next step. Add some Zalgo, hahaha:
T̸h͠is ̧i̵s ̛ẇ͕̯̯̳͓̗̾h̗̞̮͚̣ͧ̉ͨ̈̂a͚t̜̮̳͕̣ͩ ̞ͪͯh̩̊̍̂̀á̟̘̝̲̥̀p̪̽̑͒̄̑͊p̐͐è̖͈̼̩̔̈͌̇͐n̠̳̈͗̏s͈͓͚̳͚̙̿̄̚ w̼̖̙̭͓͕̘̾̎h̻̦̼͗ͫe̞̼͍̦͙̞̳̜͔ͣͨ̿̈n̥͕̜̓ͤ̊͗̊̾͗ ̳͚͈͉̣̝̏̍y̯͖͇͕͉̣̽̊o̹̦̰͙ͣ̈̃͆͂ͤͨ̿u̺̭̣̯̜̹͇̤ͪ̃͂̔̌ ̜̺̮͇̼͓̱̋̇͊ͩ̑̇ͧͅǘ͇̜̗̝̤̠ͬͪ͑ͭͫ̍s̹̜̘͎̮̏ͣ̈́͂ͩ̅̋̍e̫̥̟͚̖ͧ͆̆̾ͭ̿̓̅ L̶̴̴̪͖̰͖̝̼̳̱̙̭̯͓͚̹ͯ̔ͨ̓͘͝E̴̷̐̉̑ͤͭͩ̓͒ͧͤ͒̓̋̈̿̌͌͘͜҉̤̙̹̖N̴ͧ̾̎̂̔̌̿̏ͮͦ̿ͣ̓̊͏̷̗͙̮̪͓͇̲͜Ġ͋‌​ͥ̈́̾̄̋̚͠͞͏͙̦͈̫̹̳̻̗̻T͂̒ͩ̒͌ͨ͊̑̀͌̋̔͆̀̀҉͎͙͍̲̗̠̭͎͔̩̜̺͚̣͟͢͡ͅͅḤ̵̡̡͇̬̗ͧ̂ͨ̈̎̑̄̓̐ͣͤ̏
At this stage we say "shana tova" (literally: good year) or "jatima tova" ("j" like in Spanish; literally: good signature)
@Dev-iL - ah I see :0
@LuisMendo - I never understood the mechanics of Zalgo.
How do you know how many characters to add to the top and bottom of each letter?
and what characters do you add?
Its just tildes stuck one over the other
It adds "carets" lik tildes and stuff over and below characters
It's random
15:59
@:```""^^6
It looks more than just tildes lol
all one on topof the other
What are the possible characters to use?
Click on the button in the link: "toggle reference sheet"
In Unicode they are around 700 or 800
15:59
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Q: How does Zalgo text work?

MikeI've seen weirdly formatted text called Zalgo like below written on various forums. It's kind of annoying to look at, but it really bothers me because it undermines my notion of what a character is supposed to be. My understanding is that a character is supposed to move horizontally across a line...


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