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13:00
Gone
Banned
Killed
Wiped
Garbage Collected
For real real?
One of those is true
It's not Wiped
Damn
Why did he get banned?
@WilliamMariager he got garbage collected?
hes been captured in russia
13:11
does Russia accept such peculiar garbage?
Hey, that's enough. Guy got banned, no need to keep on trash talking.
Anyone have any experience with this: noesisengine.com
I've considered making an OBS Source, that uses it.
Mostly just to see if I can.
Would be interesting if we could make overlays in XAML.
A lot of people would probably still prefer the Browser Source
But for idiots like me, that are unable to deal with HTML or JavaScript, this source would be nice.
@AvnerShahar-Kashtan i still would like to know why though
he doesnt look like an actual troll or whatever
@Wietlol Oh, haven't a clue, personlly.
afaik, the times that I have seen him, he hasnt been bad enough to be banned
13:23
i thought he was a decent bloke tbh
why though
@Harry Nah a troll through and through
i didnt see him much tbh
what did he do
Is The a command to list all bans for roomowners?
All Bans?
+
Or for a specific person
Googling for professor squirrel stack overflowbrings up the result stackoverflow.com/users/1015495/professor-squirrel wich redirects to mike the liar..
13:33
Too many squirrels
Not enuff squirrels
squirrels are dirt
There is never enough Squirrels
Hello. I have a constructor which sets several of the instance's virtual properties. Virtual member call in a constructor tells me that this is bad. What if I assigned directly to the backing fields in the constructor? Is that an acceptable alternative?
A lot of the answers on that Q say to make my class sealed, but I want to investigate alternatives before I change my class' public features
I think bans are per-network, not per-room.
I can't see them anywhere.
13:40
@Squirrelintraining LIES. LIES AND SLANDER.
What are we talking about anyway?
007
007 got black-sited.
@MikeTheLiar Professor Squirrel
black sited as in 'he knows too much, GET HIM"?
why tho thats what we're asking
13:42
Yarp
Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds awesome if you don't know what either of those things mean.
6
@Harry it's a mystery lost to the ages
007 talked to too many squirrels, now he's getting the Gitmo Special
His "assignment was up"
squirrels are taking back control
@Kevin Assigning directly to backing fields would be fine but begs the question as to why you're allowing an override to be made on your method in the first place?
@RudiVisser If you're saying "properties shouldn't be virtual unless you have a specific reason to make them virtual", I was just wondering whether that was the case. I don't know why the original dev made these virtual, but I'm thinking of making them nonvirtual and seeing if anything catches fire.
13:45
If they're subclassed anywhere it could be a problem.
virtual basically means "here's a default implementation that you can ignore if need be"
As long as the problem makes itself evident at build time and not run time, I am happy to try
You'll get a warning but not an error.
It will hide the non-virtual method.
Ok, a warning is fine. I'm monitoring my warnings pretty closely because that's exactly what I'm working on right now: getting the warning count as close to zero as possible. Nothing will escape my watchful eye.
@MikeTheLiar So, why do I get redirected to you when i look for Professor Squirrel?
13:50
@Squirrelintraining border radius I assume
I want to see your username history now
Aswell searching for 007 results in: stackoverflow.com/users/7480455/007
@Squirrelintraining Fake news campaign by Russia. Professor Squirrel died in a tree accident.
Acorns everywhere.
The loss of professor squirrel will be felt for generations
May he forage in peace.
13:53
007 --> is user7480455 --> His account got deleted?!
Yes, he deleted his account. We've been over this.
We don't know
Other than "his assignment was finished"
He learned all he needed to about those filthy 'Americans'
Feb 15 at 16:41, by user7480455
no my assignment is over
13:54
I hope I fed him enough burger knowledge before he ignored me.
oh dear
Aswell i thoght 007 was professor squirrel Oo
They chatted together all the time.
I mean, who is Professor Squirrel? I've still never encountered him.
Like I said, I wouldn't worry about it, you wouldn't like him.
Major d-bag
Deservers a Ban that bloke
If anyone could find him.
13:56
Worst squirrel ever!
14:08
!!phterp
squirrels are in decline
lol 007 asked if unit tests are helpful
depends on how you write them
!!giphy inspector gadget
14:22
Bdadadada InspectorSquirrel badadad dem dem
@Wietlol And dis it but lies
if you write bullshit unit tests, their purpose is also bullshit
@Squirrelintraining That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: am, bs
Jan 30 at 7:32, by Metallkiller
It's black magic
Unit test help if you don't have return true; at the end of them all
14:32
ello
are there any proofs to say that algorithm X has the lowest worst time case complexity possible for sorting? (For example, heap sort has the fastest worst case complexity possible of O(n log(n)) because X, Y, Z)
> Although somewhat slower in practice on most machines than a well-implemented quicksort, it has the advantage of a more favorable worst-case O(n log n) runtime. Heapsort is an in-place algorithm, but it is not a stable sort.
...
That isn't what I'm asking. I'm asking if there is a mathematical prof saying that sort algorithm X MUST have the best worst case time complexity.
*proof
best being defined as the fastest, lowest time complexity
14:47
> Worst-case analysis has similar problems: it is typically impossible to determine the exact worst-case scenario. Instead, a scenario is considered such that it is at least as bad as the worst case. For example, when analysing an algorithm, it may be possible to find the longest possible path through the algorithm (by considering the maximum number of loops, for instance) even if it is not possible to determine the exact input that would generate this path ...
if the worst case scenarios are not proved to be "that must be the worst case", than it's not likely there is proof, that it's the best in worst cases
I guess what I'm describing is more of a meta worst case analysis.
something like "Out of all algorithms that solve this problem (sortation), this one has the lowest time complexity for the worst-case"
Been debugging why mail where not sent to mailtrap.io for some time, turns out the isp blocks outgoing port 25 to other mail servers other than the proxy provided.
15:11
That happens
I have a WPF project where I have a clickable UserControl inside the header of an Expander. The problem is when I try to click on the UserControl, it triggers the click event on the Expander header instead. I tried adding e.Handled = true to the MouseDown event of the UserControl, but it didn't work. In fact it never even got called. Anyone have any idea how to fix this?
Have you considered using WPF correctly
@Hypersapien did you add the behavior in blend?
I did not create this. I'm trying to fix it.
That's ok then
15:15
@Hypersapien I can't remember well, but somehow You can define Z index
15:35
I set the ZIndex to 99 and the same thing happens.
Is there a name for when the click event falls through a control to the control underneath?
Is there a way to check any enum to see if is set to a value of 'None'? Would I need to set my enums with None = 0 and then do if(enumValue.Equals(0))
@Hpjchobbes == MyEnum.None?
I was wanting to use a more generic test as I have about 50 different enums and didn't want to write specific code for each one
public static bool IsSet(this Enum value) { if(value == 'None') return false; else return true; }
I guess I could convert to string and then compare against "None"?
15:59
Anyone know how to create a truly empty web forms site in visual studio 2017?
web forms
why
it keeps adding stuff like startup.cs, startup.auth.cs, routeconfig.cs, etc.
because i'm trying to pull a section out of a web forms site and put it in its own site
so basically i want to rip the files out of the website and create a mini site underneath it
it's over a decade old and i'm not allowed to convert it to modern technology yet
but apparently when i go deleting all these extra files, the "new" site won't work
that sounds about right
Pretty sure startup.cs and all that fun stuff is needed
except i have a web forms solution that DOESN'T have those files and it works just fine
16:02
am i going to have to just create an empty site from scratch and build my own .sln file to do this?
IIRC (which i probably dont), you may have to remove them from your project config etc
gawd this would be easier if they'd just let me convert it to something a little more modern
ok... well back to my little corner of hell for me then... :(
thanks
sorry bro
Good luck though @Bardicer
Could you not copy the webforms project you have already and take everything out of it?
16:25
Oh, great, I'm about to get chewed out for using EF.
@SeaCharp ...uh why
Working in a company where my senior wants to code without using anything that .Net has added in the past ten years.
Do you want security holes?
because that's how you get security holes
He's not as experienced as me.
I mean we're on the latest .Net version but he keeps chastising me for using stuff he doesn't know how to use.
I left a six figure job two positions ago to become a better coder, and this is what I'm faced with now...
Very nice group of people, good projects, but this kind of thing gives me anxiety.
Not the least of which is caused because this debate is currently going on without me. I'm getting tattled on. In hushed tones in an adjacent room.
...your senior has less experience than you
i mean i can kinda see how that may have happened
16:31
He's been here for years. I'm new.
We want to get rid of EF :D
that's fair
ouch there's a difference between "not jumping at every new framework that appears in this month" and "being scared of everything"
16:31
The fact that he doesn't want to use the newer .net is hitting off alarm bells
The fact of the matter is
If he is trying to call you out on using newer code
you need to call him out on using old code
We're on newer frameworks but not adopting new tech.
I can't "call him out," he has a good relationship with management. Small company.
Well go above his head to the management and tell them about this
You must have concerns about using old code
you doin me a heckin concern friendo
16:34
public void Foo(
		int a,
		int b,
		int c,
		int d,
		int e) {
	// code
}
Yeah his whole philosophy is "why should I write new code when I can copy paste from what has existed."
how do you call these double indentations?
@SeaCharp definately go above his head and raise concerns
@Wietlol I don't have a word for this.
this indentation style sucks, but YMMV
16:34
i tried continuation indents, but i cant find much of it
I have been discouraged from using : FormView, ValidationControls, LINQ, EF, CSS animations, URL Rewrites, Elvis Operators, etc.
..........
@milleniumbug ikr, but there is someone who really thinks it is da best
So the way i see it, you've got two options
GTFO there and find a new job or try your damnedest to get change to happen
16:35
yeah if I couldn't get him to reconsider I'd leave the fuck out of there
I do have LOTS of down time for research and learning so I've been focusing on my own projects for learning.
Because clearly that guy doesn't have a fucking clue what he is talking about
i assume you mean that B is the alternative for A
unless you have a different style in mind
When you guys see me here asking acadeic questions about MVC, that's what I'm doing, trying to learn new stuff. Oh, did I mention I'm not allowed to use C#?
..............................
Dude i take it back
you only have one option
GTFO that job asap
16:37
(paste.ofcode cant even handle that shit)
A is bizarre, why is the first parameter off
Fuckin A.
the first parameter is a paste.ofcode bug
hmmm ok
it should be aligned with the others
16:38
@SeaCharp so what are you allowed to use?
aka, double tabs
@MikeTheLiar inb4 vb
@Wietlol it's because you mixed tabs and spaces ya nut
@Squirrelintraining That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
I'm on webforms and VB.
@Squirrelintraining Are you high?
From N++
I actually enjoy webforms AND vb.net, but....
16:40
I like C# and want to learn MVC better.
now with spaces
Mixing tabs and spaces basically makes you the Hitler of code indentation.
I always use tabs... but i did this in notepad, so i might have messed up
> I always use tabs...
16:41
still, I wonder if B is da best or if there is a better one
Why am I not surprised.
tabs make everything much nicer though
I use B, and it's ok
also, it makes people allow to use different indentation sizes
i for example will only use 4 char tabs
but others prefer 2 or 8
or w/e
which imho sucks
but they might be more addicted to it than i have the power to convince them of anything else
what is "tabs"? some king of drugs? and what "B" stands for? o.O
too much muchrooms going on here ^_^
16:43
So their logic is "if you do work in C# (or MVC, or EF, etc) then we will need to hire someone who knows that stuff in the future if you leave and it will cost us more."
@SeaCharp that's the common practice, yes.
that's why the world is going serverless :-\
By that logic we should still be using COBOL though
well...
Or VBScript or something
MivaScript! lol
if there's another option less costly.... why shouldn't they consider it?
16:45
VBScript Yummy
@Zorkind that is not really a reason afaik
it might be a reason for people going microservices
@SeaCharp yes because there's way more people who can program in VB.NET and therefore we can easily replace one with another /s
but not serverless
hmmmm yeah well
serverless is a variant on running applications, not managing them
16:46
really? i don't see many vb.net projects going on o.O
at least on my country
this was supposed to be sarcasm (fix'd)
@Wietlol ok
@milleniumbug oh i am sorry ^_^
-_-
@milleniumbug there are also more people writing shit than people writing code
I don't think it will be easier for them to find a VB.Net guy who doesn't want to use new language conventions. It's a ticket to getting low quality people.
that chance is in every option
16:48
@Wietlol writing code isn't very new-user-friendly
on a side note, anyone is working a lot with a broad microservices landscape?
My last job was way worse though, and I have a family, can't afford to play russian roulette with my mortgage. It took me 5 months to find this position last time...
i hope c# get's more fans now with Core and Linux ^_^
mainly because every different language has its own quirks, and none of them make sense until you start thinking like a machine
@Zorkind 0.o?
16:48
@Wietlol i see a big "movement" towards that.
C# for linux?
@Wietlol well yes o.O
@Zorkind yeah man, I really wish I can finally take the step to SteamOS
that's why Core exists, right?
iDunno
16:49
o.o
@HéctorÁlvarez :-p
havent really been up to date with C#/.net improvements lately
but it is nice to see
C# is going multi platform
god damm have someone lied to me? i thought it was for Linux :-\
and Java is going non-multi platform
@Wietlol isen't java kind of losing market? o.O
How is Java not multi platform?
16:50
iDunno
@Code-Apprentice it is
@Code-Apprentice well for one its java
Kappa
i never liked java :-\
and since a few years, that has been a bad thing
@Wietlol Blah blah, Xamarin = good idea, bad execution, blah blah, let's make it all multi-platform, blah blah because people prefer Java Minecraft over C#, blah blah, screw .NET framework, embrace web assembly and make our own version of it, blah.
0.o?
16:51
Anyway...
@HéctorÁlvarez yeah that's very accurate o.o
i am waiting to see where web assembly goes o.o
i hope it works
Python is the one language to rule them all!
I want web assembly to work with the dom
@Code-Apprentice nuuuuuu c# tho
@Code-Apprentice for me, that is kotlin
kotlin for browser sided stuff
16:52
Does anyone know of a good place to download sample asp.net applications? I'm looking for an MVC app in C# that demonstrates parent/child relationships and master/detail forms.
kotlin for native applications
@Wietlol i want web assembly to format my visitors machine muahahaha
kotlin for web servers
kotlin for platform specific applications
Kotlin is for noobs.
kotlin is life
16:52
@SeaCharp try Channel 9
Thanks.
@Zorkind im not sure
Everyone's thinking "Oh god, I hope web assembly becomes a monster framework" and I'm here thinking "How about removing ads from pages and telling the user - dude, I'm going to milk your CPU while you're here, free website, no ads, but you let mine coins while here- and get rid of shitty ads"
@Wietlol hmmm o.o
16:53
I haven't tried Kotlin yet. It is gaining a lot of traction for Android dev
i assume not, but I dont follow the number of users
because honestly now, who needs all 4 cores in their i3 to browse youtube?
@HéctorÁlvarez huehuehue
@HéctorÁlvarez 4 videos at a time
@Code-Apprentice porns? D:
16:54
> all 4 cores
@Code-Apprentice I have 20 in my old i5 2500k, I can't see the impact at all
pfft
@Zorkind that, too
@Code-Apprentice ^_^
sooner than later I'll buy myself a shiny 16-core CPU + HT
16:54
i think web assembly will let us kill users machines :-p
32 coolio threads running nyan cat in infinite loop
I'm running a poor dual core on my desktop ;-(
@Zorkind actually, at our company, everything was .net
@Code-Apprentice pets
either VB (legacy) or C#
now, we are moving to everything Jaba
16:56
there's no web assembly for .net yet tho D:
get a €1000 workstation, 7th gen i7 and 16gb ddr4, OC a bit, forget about slowdowns
@Wietlol really? O: why? D:
basically because AWS has better support for it
and we want to move everything to AWS
Azure tho O:
PRobably because Multi-platform adds a layer of shit that nobody wants for efficiency
16:56
especially AWS Lambda has 0 .net support
AWS > Azure afaik
@Wietlol how is Java going "non-multi platform", if I may ask?
:-( welll we won't see you anymore?
@milleniumbug platform specific builds
its an option
since web services are ussually on a specific platform
so, you dont care about multi platform support or the required resources for it
web services must be made in php :-D
muhahahaha
is this about Java modules or sth?
16:58
so, there is an option since J9 to build Jvm applications as platform specific applications
and you even get a nice executable with it
modules is just a different packaging design
i don't like the Java "parafernalia" :-\
paraformula whatta?
XD
all the shit around Java
16:59
I find it nice
that i think
really? D:
well, what else would you go for?
C#?
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